cut the SUGAR out
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If you want to cut out sugar, don't use fruit or diet sweet drinks to replace sugar.
Add some chromium and zinc supplements--these will help reduce the cravings.
After two solid days of no sweet tasting food whatsoever, you should start to experience fewer and fewer cravings.
Drink lots of unflavored water.
No dairy unless its cream. No yogurt. No cereal. No oatmeal. No rice.
No fruits.
Try to eat lean protein and veggies as much as possible.
Starches will cause your cravings to come back. Its a never-ending cause and effect.
Good luck!
PS....check out Dr. Hyman and Mark's Daily Apple.
Many people successfully make this lifestyle change.
So unnecessary.
Sounds like a sh** diet!
It might sound pretty bad to you, but this is what the guy is asking for, don't knock suggestions clearly providing an answer.
This is actually a pretty good deal. I've cut sugar down (including fruit) and I've never felt better. Sure, I can fit sweet treats into my daily limitations every now and then, but let me tell you, things like strawberries are insanely sweet to me now when I used to eat them with sweeteners. I feel like I can taste everything in its fullness now.0 -
Why do people defend sugar on this site. Are you working for the sugar industry? It has no nutritional value that I know of, so if you are trying to lose weight, it seems logical to cut out foods that are empty calories. Congratulations to those of you that can eat whatever you want! How nice for those of you who have no clue what it feels like to be a carb addict. Tired of seeing this back lash everyday. People trying to eat healthier and you knocking them down. REALLY?
Actually, the problem here is that people in the forums feel like they have to operate in extremes. That anti-sugar crusade automatically believes (or accuses) those of us who eat sugar eat it all day long, without any adherence to our macros or overall diet plan. This is why there is backlash.
There is nothing inherently wrong with eating sugar - in moderation and in absence of a medical problem. To say that a piece of candy will blow your whole diet when you are staying within your calorie and macro goals is just...patently false. If you cannot have a piece of sugar because it will trigger you to go overboard, than that is a completely different story. Those of us who don't have that problem, however, should not feel the need to cut it our of our diets completely because it is "evil"
THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!
And to the same point - some of us DO feel we had an addiction to sugar (see dictionary definition of the word "addiction" if there is confusion) and chose to cut back on it because we felt it was adding to our innability to stay under our daily recomended calorie intake. Some of us refer to this as "giving up sugar" or "cutting sugar" or "not eating added sugar".
Eating sugar will make me fat. Eating chicken will make me fat. Eating oranges will make me fat"... the only way any of those things will make me fat is if I eat them in excess....which I was doing, with "sugar" ie candy, but I refer to it as sugar because most people understand what I'm talking about....
I, for one, never said sugar was "evil"... but I'd be fine if someone would like to say that.... we all have our own personal devils - and devils are evil - and we are here to fight these demons. I stuggeled with alcohol - I would call alcoholism a demon, though now I do not see that alcohol is "evil"... and I wouldn't feel right telling a friend that was drinking that he/she was consuming something evil and satanic...but the addiction, the dependancy, was a personal, evil demon I had to cope with, linked to alcohol - much like a personal, addictive feeling towards sugar might be a personal demon linking sugar to being 'evil". Once you rid yourself of your dependancy, ie, your demons, things like sugar will look less evil as you realize you no longer have that dependancy.
While you are "addicted" - yes - call sugar evil all day long if it helps you stay away from making poor choices because that, afterall, is what getting healthy is all about!
Just don't go telling other people that they are making evil choices... that will only get you put under attack on public message boards... People are only allowed to tell you YOU'RE wrong for calling sugar evil, but YOU are wrong if you tell other people your opinion. Haha ok that was a bit or sarcasm ... the fact of the matter regarding that is something along the lines of do unto others.... And cut out whatever you need to cut out to jump start your journey to sucess...you may fowl up along the way and realize maybe something wasn't the best decision...you make have great sucess - IMO try what you need to, do hat works, use MFP to learn to eat healthy and everything else will fall into place ;-)
The difference with alcohol though is that it is an actual physical dependency. Comparing sugar addiction to alcohol is ridiculous at best.
Meh, not for me - I had addiction to both. One just happened to hurt other's around me more... but again, just my personal experience with both. Definetly not rediculous for me - the struggle was equally as hard, and actually continues to me more so with certain candies odly! I can easily have ONE drink, but ONE candy bar? HA! The talk I have in my head is much more intense when it comes to putting down the candy bar than putting down the whiskey - maybe it's because i wasn't offered a 12 step prgram fro Hersheys!! Who knows LOL but definetly, NOT rediculous - just how it is for me ;-)
So if you eat sugar, and then don't eat sugar, you physically get ill? Like you would with a drug addiction? I find that hard to believe.
There are a lot of good things in life. Just because we can't refrain from them doesn't make it an addiction. It makes us lack willpower.0 -
I was also wondering about sugar. For the past month I have been under my goal of 45 grams per day 2/3 of the time. It doesn't sound very good if you think about me being over my goal a 1/3 of the time. I have still been losing weight without really watching sugar. Should I worry about it, or not until I plateau?
Unless you have a medical condition don't worry about it at all.
I'm hilariously over my sugar intake every single day and I've lost 53 lbs, gone from 35% BF to 17% and have seem great benefits to my overall health by just focusing on getting my micros and macros.
Thanks so much, you confirmed what I was already thinking. Once I plateau I can rethink, for now I'll just continue to lose
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Why do people defend sugar on this site. Are you working for the sugar industry? It has no nutritional value that I know of, so if you are trying to lose weight, it seems logical to cut out foods that are empty calories. Congratulations to those of you that can eat whatever you want! How nice for those of you who have no clue what it feels like to be a carb addict. Tired of seeing this back lash everyday. People trying to eat healthier and you knocking them down. REALLY?
Actually, the problem here is that people in the forums feel like they have to operate in extremes. That anti-sugar crusade automatically believes (or accuses) those of us who eat sugar eat it all day long, without any adherence to our macros or overall diet plan. This is why there is backlash.
There is nothing inherently wrong with eating sugar - in moderation and in absence of a medical problem. To say that a piece of candy will blow your whole diet when you are staying within your calorie and macro goals is just...patently false. If you cannot have a piece of sugar because it will trigger you to go overboard, than that is a completely different story. Those of us who don't have that problem, however, should not feel the need to cut it our of our diets completely because it is "evil"
THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!
And to the same point - some of us DO feel we had an addiction to sugar (see dictionary definition of the word "addiction" if there is confusion) and chose to cut back on it because we felt it was adding to our innability to stay under our daily recomended calorie intake. Some of us refer to this as "giving up sugar" or "cutting sugar" or "not eating added sugar".
Eating sugar will make me fat. Eating chicken will make me fat. Eating oranges will make me fat"... the only way any of those things will make me fat is if I eat them in excess....which I was doing, with "sugar" ie candy, but I refer to it as sugar because most people understand what I'm talking about....
I, for one, never said sugar was "evil"... but I'd be fine if someone would like to say that.... we all have our own personal devils - and devils are evil - and we are here to fight these demons. I stuggeled with alcohol - I would call alcoholism a demon, though now I do not see that alcohol is "evil"... and I wouldn't feel right telling a friend that was drinking that he/she was consuming something evil and satanic...but the addiction, the dependancy, was a personal, evil demon I had to cope with, linked to alcohol - much like a personal, addictive feeling towards sugar might be a personal demon linking sugar to being 'evil". Once you rid yourself of your dependancy, ie, your demons, things like sugar will look less evil as you realize you no longer have that dependancy.
While you are "addicted" - yes - call sugar evil all day long if it helps you stay away from making poor choices because that, afterall, is what getting healthy is all about!
Just don't go telling other people that they are making evil choices... that will only get you put under attack on public message boards... People are only allowed to tell you YOU'RE wrong for calling sugar evil, but YOU are wrong if you tell other people your opinion. Haha ok that was a bit or sarcasm ... the fact of the matter regarding that is something along the lines of do unto others.... And cut out whatever you need to cut out to jump start your journey to sucess...you may fowl up along the way and realize maybe something wasn't the best decision...you make have great sucess - IMO try what you need to, do hat works, use MFP to learn to eat healthy and everything else will fall into place ;-)
The difference with alcohol though is that it is an actual physical dependency. Comparing sugar addiction to alcohol is ridiculous at best.
Meh, not for me - I had addiction to both. One just happened to hurt other's around me more... but again, just my personal experience with both. Definetly not rediculous for me - the struggle was equally as hard, and actually continues to me more so with certain candies odly! I can easily have ONE drink, but ONE candy bar? HA! The talk I have in my head is much more intense when it comes to putting down the candy bar than putting down the whiskey - maybe it's because i wasn't offered a 12 step prgram fro Hersheys!! Who knows LOL but definetly, NOT rediculous - just how it is for me ;-)
So if you eat sugar, and then don't eat sugar, you physically get ill? Like you would with a drug addiction? I find that hard to believe.
There are a lot of good things in life. Just because we can't refrain from them doesn't make it an addiction. It makes us lack willpower.
Nope - I do not get physically ill - I also can have a drink now and then and I don't get physically ill. I think I eat plenty of sugar now - I actually changed my macros because I was so "over" every day - nope, never got ill (although i did get physically ill from eating bags and bags of candy...but thats TMI). I'm not sure if other people who stopped drinking then had a drink years later got ill - I've never heard of this, but I'm sure it could happen.0 -
I love Yoplait's 100 Calorie Black Cherry Greek yogurt for one of my afternoon snacks. It cures my afternoon sugar cravings and keeps me full.0
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Nope - I do not get physically ill - I also can have a drink now and then and I don't get physically ill. I think I eat plenty of sugar now - I actually changed my macros because I was so "over" every day - nope, never got ill (although i did get physically ill from eating bags and bags of candy...but thats TMI). I'm not sure if other people who stopped drinking then had a drink years later got ill - I've never heard of this, but I'm sure it could happen.
What he is referring to is the fact that alcoholics become physically ill when they STOP drinking because their bodies have become so reliant on the substance. This is the same with many drugs. It's actually a physical dependency, which is why it is so hard to treat that kind of an addiction.
With all due respect, to both you and truly suffering alcoholics, if you can have a drink today and stop at one, than you were never an alcoholic. People with a true addiction like that can never go back. Perhaps you overindulged too much and it's great that you've gotten it in check, but let's not diminish real addiction and the life-long commitment it takes to get sober and stay sober.0 -
Why do people defend sugar on this site. Are you working for the sugar industry? It has no nutritional value that I know of, so if you are trying to lose weight, it seems logical to cut out foods that are empty calories. Congratulations to those of you that can eat whatever you want! How nice for those of you who have no clue what it feels like to be a carb addict. Tired of seeing this back lash everyday. People trying to eat healthier and you knocking them down. REALLY?
(Totally unrelated thought, but is anyone else's check from Big Sugar late this month? I usually have it by the 15th. I spend every waking moment of my life defending them in this forum. Is it too much to ask that they be more timely with their payments???)0 -
Nope - I do not get physically ill - I also can have a drink now and then and I don't get physically ill. I think I eat plenty of sugar now - I actually changed my macros because I was so "over" every day - nope, never got ill (although i did get physically ill from eating bags and bags of candy...but thats TMI). I'm not sure if other people who stopped drinking then had a drink years later got ill - I've never heard of this, but I'm sure it could happen.
What he is referring to is the fact that alcoholics become physically ill when they STOP drinking because their bodies have become so reliant on the substance. This is the same with many drugs. It's actually a physical dependency, which is why it is so hard to treat that kind of an addiction.
With all due respect, to both you and truly suffering alcoholics, if you can have a drink today and stop at one, than you were never an alcoholic. People with a true addiction like that can never go back. Perhaps you overindulged too much and it's great that you've gotten it in check, but let's not diminish real addiction and the life-long commitment it takes to get sober and stay sober.
Thanks for clearing that up. I thought I was clear earlier, but apparently not. All I was saying is that comparing alcoholism (which is a physical and psychological) to being addicted to sugar is ridiculous. If there was such a thing as sugar addiction, it would be in the same breath as sex addiction, video game addiction, etc. These all create releases in the brain that are similar to sugar, but really it's just will power in my opinion.0 -
The easiest way to eliminate unwanted ingredients, whether it be sugar, or high fructose corn syrup, or mono sodium glutamate, or partially hydrogenated oils- is simply to avoid processed foods.
Buy whole foods and cook.
It's healthier, it's cheaper, and it tastes better.
exactly buying ready meals (even if they are low fat) contain lots of sugar . also cereals can contain lots of sugar too. always read the packaging .0 -
Nope - I do not get physically ill - I also can have a drink now and then and I don't get physically ill. I think I eat plenty of sugar now - I actually changed my macros because I was so "over" every day - nope, never got ill (although i did get physically ill from eating bags and bags of candy...but thats TMI). I'm not sure if other people who stopped drinking then had a drink years later got ill - I've never heard of this, but I'm sure it could happen.
What he is referring to is the fact that alcoholics become physically ill when they STOP drinking because their bodies have become so reliant on the substance. This is the same with many drugs. It's actually a physical dependency, which is why it is so hard to treat that kind of an addiction.
With all due respect, to both you and truly suffering alcoholics, if you can have a drink today and stop at one, than you were never an alcoholic. People with a true addiction like that can never go back. Perhaps you overindulged too much and it's great that you've gotten it in check, but let's not diminish real addiction and the life-long commitment it takes to get sober and stay sober.
Oh - I didn't understand what he was saying - yes, that makes sence - no, i did not get ill when i stopped eating candy - I just had intence cravings, sexual cravings, Im not sure how else to describe it!!
And with all due respect, your staement regarding alcoholism is false. Generally nothing works the same way 100% of the time for 100% of the people involved. I distincly remember my father, who I absolutly adore and who Im sure would give the world for me, crashing cars into the driveway then coming in and throwing anything he could get his hands on, including my plate full off food at the dinner table, against the wall right above my mother's head in a complete, drunken rage. This wasn't him. This was his demon - his alcoholism. it got worse...and worse...and worse, until everything was broken - our family, our trust. Mom eventually kicked him out, he got help, he came back, things are good. He stayed 100% away from alcohol for I believe 8 years. I remember the day he took a sip of a beer and my mom getting mad, and there wa san argument that persued...and we all cried...and he didnt do it again. But then as time passed he did - someone would bring a craft brew to an Xmas party, my cousin made his own beer, etc. he would try it, he would have one beer, and he would be fine. When we approchaed him and he explained that he no longer felt the desire to overindulge I believe him. it's been over 5 years since he's started having "one drink here and there" again. And hes fine - he can do it. He had a problem, he WAS an alcoholis - he IS an alcoholic if you ask him, he will always have that small part of him, but he doesnt let it control him anymore. he doesnt put himself in situations where he will be tempted - he wont go to a bar, he wont buy beer, but if i offer him a guiness, sure, he will drink that ONE guiness, and be content with himself. So please, do not doscredit mine and my families struggles and triumphs. You may not agree that sugar has the same addictive qualities as alcohol or other drugs, and thats fine, you may very well be right - but you might be wrong too. I only know things from my own experience.0 -
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Nope - I do not get physically ill - I also can have a drink now and then and I don't get physically ill. I think I eat plenty of sugar now - I actually changed my macros because I was so "over" every day - nope, never got ill (although i did get physically ill from eating bags and bags of candy...but thats TMI). I'm not sure if other people who stopped drinking then had a drink years later got ill - I've never heard of this, but I'm sure it could happen.
What he is referring to is the fact that alcoholics become physically ill when they STOP drinking because their bodies have become so reliant on the substance. This is the same with many drugs. It's actually a physical dependency, which is why it is so hard to treat that kind of an addiction.
With all due respect, to both you and truly suffering alcoholics, if you can have a drink today and stop at one, than you were never an alcoholic. People with a true addiction like that can never go back. Perhaps you overindulged too much and it's great that you've gotten it in check, but let's not diminish real addiction and the life-long commitment it takes to get sober and stay sober.
Oh - I didn't understand what he was saying - yes, that makes sence - no, i did not get ill when i stopped eating candy - I just had intence cravings, sexual cravings, Im not sure how else to describe it!!
And with all due respect, your staement regarding alcoholism is false. Generally nothing works the same way 100% of the time for 100% of the people involved. I distincly remember my father, who I absolutly adore and who Im sure would give the world for me, crashing cars into the driveway then coming in and throwing anything he could get his hands on, including my plate full off food at the dinner table, against the wall right above my mother's head in a complete, drunken rage. This wasn't him. This was his demon - his alcoholism. it got worse...and worse...and worse, until everything was broken - our family, our trust. Mom eventually kicked him out, he got help, he came back, things are good. He stayed 100% away from alcohol for I believe 8 years. I remember the day he took a sip of a beer and my mom getting mad, and there wa san argument that persued...and we all cried...and he didnt do it again. But then as time passed he did - someone would bring a craft brew to an Xmas party, my cousin made his own beer, etc. he would try it, he would have one beer, and he would be fine. When we approchaed him and he explained that he no longer felt the desire to overindulge I believe him. it's been over 5 years since he's started having "one drink here and there" again. And hes fine - he can do it. He had a problem, he WAS an alcoholis - he IS an alcoholic if you ask him, he will always have that small part of him, but he doesnt let it control him anymore. he doesnt put himself in situations where he will be tempted - he wont go to a bar, he wont buy beer, but if i offer him a guiness, sure, he will drink that ONE guiness, and be content with himself. So please, do not doscredit mine and my families struggles and triumphs. You may not agree that sugar has the same addictive qualities as alcohol or other drugs, and thats fine, you may very well be right - but you might be wrong too. I only know things from my own experience.
I would say for the vast majority of addicts, they can never go back. If you Dad is able to have a Guinness, good on him. But that's definitely an exception to the rule.
Any addiction to sugar that you may have is purely mental, meaning that you are not having physical reaction (shakes, sweats, nausea and worse) to not having it. I'm not saying it's easy to get over a mental attachment - it certainly takes a lot of will power - but imagine how much more difficult it would be if you were to get ill by not having it. That's the challenge that true addicts face and that's why addiction is so serious, so scary and so hard to treat.0 -
Nope - I do not get physically ill - I also can have a drink now and then and I don't get physically ill. I think I eat plenty of sugar now - I actually changed my macros because I was so "over" every day - nope, never got ill (although i did get physically ill from eating bags and bags of candy...but thats TMI). I'm not sure if other people who stopped drinking then had a drink years later got ill - I've never heard of this, but I'm sure it could happen.
What he is referring to is the fact that alcoholics become physically ill when they STOP drinking because their bodies have become so reliant on the substance. This is the same with many drugs. It's actually a physical dependency, which is why it is so hard to treat that kind of an addiction.
With all due respect, to both you and truly suffering alcoholics, if you can have a drink today and stop at one, than you were never an alcoholic. People with a true addiction like that can never go back. Perhaps you overindulged too much and it's great that you've gotten it in check, but let's not diminish real addiction and the life-long commitment it takes to get sober and stay sober.
Thanks for clearing that up. I thought I was clear earlier, but apparently not. All I was saying is that comparing alcoholism (which is a physical and psychological) to being addicted to sugar is ridiculous. If there was such a thing as sugar addiction, it would be in the same breath as sex addiction, video game addiction, etc. These all create releases in the brain that are similar to sugar, but really it's just will power in my opinion.
And I actually agree with what you are saying here too :-). I also think its a will power thing - like sex addiction, video game addiction, etc - but I still call it addiction. I did break out really bad when I stopped eating all the candy...like...i was 16 again YUK - but I like to imagine that was my face finally being like "woohoo fresh air, we can finally let all this *kitten* go!"0 -
Wouldn't it be SUGAR on CALORIE DENSE foods that's the problem? Since it's palatable, people will keep eating till whatever it is they are eating is gone.
Eating a roll of LifeSavers isn't going to really cause one to go over weight unless it's exceeding their calorie limit or they are eating 10 rolls a day. A roll of 12 is 135 calories.
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I avoid sugar and starch by focusing on eating protein, veggies and fruits, and some dairy.0
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Why do people defend sugar on this site. Are you working for the sugar industry? It has no nutritional value that I know of, so if you are trying to lose weight, it seems logical to cut out foods that are empty calories. Congratulations to those of you that can eat whatever you want! How nice for those of you who have no clue what it feels like to be a carb addict. Tired of seeing this back lash everyday. People trying to eat healthier and you knocking them down. REALLY?
(Totally unrelated thought, but is anyone else's check from Big Sugar late this month? I usually have it by the 15th. I spend every waking moment of my life defending them in this forum. Is it too much to ask that they be more timely with their payments???)
Not yet, I'm still waiting on the apple industry to get my check for shilling their apple diet and cleanse0 -
Is it your contention that chicken breast is a carb?
So eating 10,000 calories of chicken breast won't make you fat? Fascinating.Excess sugar in the blood gets converted to fat.
False. Excess calories become fat. That is anything eaten in a surplus.
Nope, it's definitely glucose the person above is talking about.
I assume they are talking about carbs.
Carbs - converted to glucose, the glucose is then - taken up by the body as fuel, stored in the muscles and liver (limited storage), converted into body fat to be released as fuel at a later stage.
So how did you come up with that conclusion?
Common sense?
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And to the same point - some of us DO feel we had an addiction to sugar (see dictionary definition of the word "addiction" if there is confusion) and chose to cut back on it because we felt it was adding to our innability to stay under our daily recomended calorie intake. Some of us refer to this as "giving up sugar" or "cutting sugar" or "not eating added sugar".
I find this confusing. I looked at my own diet and saw that I was eating far too many sweet treats (among other less than ideal aspects of it), and that I wasn't even appreciating them but just eating them for all kind of problematic reasons (emotional eating, etc.), so I decided to stop it. I did stop entirely at first--so I'm not against the idea that this can be helpful for people--but I see zero reason to eliminate foods I really like from my diet. I just eat them as treats (which means on occasion, in moderation, when I've eaten lots of nutrient-dense stuff and my calories allow). So I get why people would decide to cut back on the amount of sugar they are eating (I don't get the confusion with processed foods or people who claim not to have known that what they were eating was high in calories, but I digress). However, I would never, ever say that I have "given up sugar" or "given up added sugar," since I haven't and don't see why that would even be a goal to aspire to, or why only an employee of Big Sugar would deny it. Tons of other foods are calorie dense (much more so than sugar, even) or could be replaced with a more ideal food if one didn't care about variety, but why would that be a good thing?
I think that's why at least some people react to the no sugar thing. I'd like to hear why having a small amount of sugar (or not so small on occasion) in addition to what's in dairy, fruits, and vegetables is something that I should actively avoid.
Re: addiction, I don't really have a position on whether foods can be addictive in the same way that alcohol is for some (including me), but the problem with claiming that there's an addiction to sugar is that people aren't claiming to be unable to stop eating raspberries. Or even shoveling spoons of sugar in their mouth when cookies aren't available. I understand it being tough to have a bite of cake but not eat the whole thing, but if it were an addiction than it seems like I should have the same problem not going nuts on sugary items if you gave me a spoonful of sugar, and that doesn't happen. So maybe it's not addiction that causes people to want to eat the whole cake, but the fact that most people think cake tastes good.0 -
Why do people defend sugar on this site. Are you working for the sugar industry? It has no nutritional value that I know of, so if you are trying to lose weight, it seems logical to cut out foods that are empty calories. Congratulations to those of you that can eat whatever you want! How nice for those of you who have no clue what it feels like to be a carb addict. Tired of seeing this back lash everyday. People trying to eat healthier and you knocking them down. REALLY?
(Totally unrelated thought, but is anyone else's check from Big Sugar late this month? I usually have it by the 15th. I spend every waking moment of my life defending them in this forum. Is it too much to ask that they be more timely with their payments???)
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This time I am trying to cut out SUGAR. By not adding sugar or eating things with so much sugar in them. Unfortunately here in America we love sugar and most things have sugar in them, but I am working on it. I am craving sweet things by the afternoon I am also feeling quite a bit more tired with out all the added sugar in my diet. This is like day two hopefully by weeks end I will be feeling alot better....
Do you have any helpful hints on how to cut sugar from my diet?
Try to use fruit. If you like yogurt, it is a good way to add a little sweetness. You can add a slice of apple diced up and a couple slices of banana. Just try not to eat too much fruit... It will take a little while to wean yourself off sugar; but you will feel great!!!
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fruit has sugar in it.0 -
I have no medical reason to cut sugar out, so I am going to go with no.0
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Is it your contention that chicken breast is a carb?
So eating 10,000 calories of chicken breast won't make you fat? Fascinating.Excess sugar in the blood gets converted to fat.
False. Excess calories become fat. That is anything eaten in a surplus.
Nope, it's definitely glucose the person above is talking about.
I assume they are talking about carbs.
Carbs - converted to glucose, the glucose is then - taken up by the body as fuel, stored in the muscles and liver (limited storage), converted into body fat to be released as fuel at a later stage.
So how did you come up with that conclusion?
Common sense?
How?
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Nope - I do not get physically ill - I also can have a drink now and then and I don't get physically ill. I think I eat plenty of sugar now - I actually changed my macros because I was so "over" every day - nope, never got ill (although i did get physically ill from eating bags and bags of candy...but thats TMI). I'm not sure if other people who stopped drinking then had a drink years later got ill - I've never heard of this, but I'm sure it could happen.
What he is referring to is the fact that alcoholics become physically ill when they STOP drinking because their bodies have become so reliant on the substance. This is the same with many drugs. It's actually a physical dependency, which is why it is so hard to treat that kind of an addiction.
With all due respect, to both you and truly suffering alcoholics, if you can have a drink today and stop at one, than you were never an alcoholic. People with a true addiction like that can never go back. Perhaps you overindulged too much and it's great that you've gotten it in check, but let's not diminish real addiction and the life-long commitment it takes to get sober and stay sober.
Thanks for clearing that up. I thought I was clear earlier, but apparently not. All I was saying is that comparing alcoholism (which is a physical and psychological) to being addicted to sugar is ridiculous. If there was such a thing as sugar addiction, it would be in the same breath as sex addiction, video game addiction, etc. These all create releases in the brain that are similar to sugar, but really it's just will power in my opinion.
And I actually agree with what you are saying here too :-). I also think its a will power thing - like sex addiction, video game addiction, etc - but I still call it addiction. I did break out really bad when I stopped eating all the candy...like...i was 16 again YUK - but I like to imagine that was my face finally being like "woohoo fresh air, we can finally let all this *kitten* go!"
So we can agree to disagree Cause to me, if will power is all it takes to beat something, it's not an addiction. Throw in the fact that most people who say they are addicted to sugar and can't eat it happen to have a banana in their hand while saying it makes it even harder for me to comprehend. 0 -
Nope - I do not get physically ill - I also can have a drink now and then and I don't get physically ill. I think I eat plenty of sugar now - I actually changed my macros because I was so "over" every day - nope, never got ill (although i did get physically ill from eating bags and bags of candy...but thats TMI). I'm not sure if other people who stopped drinking then had a drink years later got ill - I've never heard of this, but I'm sure it could happen.
What he is referring to is the fact that alcoholics become physically ill when they STOP drinking because their bodies have become so reliant on the substance. This is the same with many drugs. It's actually a physical dependency, which is why it is so hard to treat that kind of an addiction.
With all due respect, to both you and truly suffering alcoholics, if you can have a drink today and stop at one, than you were never an alcoholic. People with a true addiction like that can never go back. Perhaps you overindulged too much and it's great that you've gotten it in check, but let's not diminish real addiction and the life-long commitment it takes to get sober and stay sober.
Thanks for clearing that up. I thought I was clear earlier, but apparently not. All I was saying is that comparing alcoholism (which is a physical and psychological) to being addicted to sugar is ridiculous. If there was such a thing as sugar addiction, it would be in the same breath as sex addiction, video game addiction, etc. These all create releases in the brain that are similar to sugar, but really it's just will power in my opinion.
And I actually agree with what you are saying here too :-). I also think its a will power thing - like sex addiction, video game addiction, etc - but I still call it addiction. I did break out really bad when I stopped eating all the candy...like...i was 16 again YUK - but I like to imagine that was my face finally being like "woohoo fresh air, we can finally let all this *kitten* go!"
So we can agree to disagree Cause to me, if will power is all it takes to beat something, it's not an addiction. Throw in the fact that most people who say they are addicted to sugar and can't eat it happen to have a banana in their hand while saying it makes it even harder for me to comprehend.
exactly. The body doesn't know the difference between the sugar in a cookie, a candy bar, a banana, a yogurt, or the teaspoon of it you add to your coffee or oatmeal. Sugar "addiction" is a misnomer. People want a way to excuse the fact that they lack the willpower to close the box of cookies after eating two, rather than consuming the whole box.0 -
Nope - I do not get physically ill - I also can have a drink now and then and I don't get physically ill. I think I eat plenty of sugar now - I actually changed my macros because I was so "over" every day - nope, never got ill (although i did get physically ill from eating bags and bags of candy...but thats TMI). I'm not sure if other people who stopped drinking then had a drink years later got ill - I've never heard of this, but I'm sure it could happen.
What he is referring to is the fact that alcoholics become physically ill when they STOP drinking because their bodies have become so reliant on the substance. This is the same with many drugs. It's actually a physical dependency, which is why it is so hard to treat that kind of an addiction.
With all due respect, to both you and truly suffering alcoholics, if you can have a drink today and stop at one, than you were never an alcoholic. People with a true addiction like that can never go back. Perhaps you overindulged too much and it's great that you've gotten it in check, but let's not diminish real addiction and the life-long commitment it takes to get sober and stay sober.
Thanks for clearing that up. I thought I was clear earlier, but apparently not. All I was saying is that comparing alcoholism (which is a physical and psychological) to being addicted to sugar is ridiculous. If there was such a thing as sugar addiction, it would be in the same breath as sex addiction, video game addiction, etc. These all create releases in the brain that are similar to sugar, but really it's just will power in my opinion.
And I actually agree with what you are saying here too :-). I also think its a will power thing - like sex addiction, video game addiction, etc - but I still call it addiction. I did break out really bad when I stopped eating all the candy...like...i was 16 again YUK - but I like to imagine that was my face finally being like "woohoo fresh air, we can finally let all this *kitten* go!"
So we can agree to disagree Cause to me, if will power is all it takes to beat something, it's not an addiction. Throw in the fact that most people who say they are addicted to sugar and can't eat it happen to have a banana in their hand while saying it makes it even harder for me to comprehend.
exactly. The body doesn't know the difference between the sugar in a cookie, a candy bar, a banana, a yogurt, or the teaspoon of it you add to your coffee or oatmeal. Sugar "addiction" is a misnomer. People want a way to excuse the fact that they lack the willpower to close the box of cookies after eating two, rather than consuming the whole box.
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Agreed, who is saying they do not?
In the nested quotes RIGHT ABOVE YOUR QUESTION:Carbs - converted to glucose, the glucose is then - taken up by the body as fuel, stored in the muscles and liver (limited storage), converted into body fat to be released as fuel at a later stage.
I have no idea who said what at this point, but after the assertion was made that fat comes from carbs, someone else saidSo eating 10,000 calories of chicken breast won't make you fat? Fascinating.
At least read what you're responding to?0 -
Agreed, who is saying they do not?
In the nested quotes RIGHT ABOVE YOUR QUESTION:Carbs - converted to glucose, the glucose is then - taken up by the body as fuel, stored in the muscles and liver (limited storage), converted into body fat to be released as fuel at a later stage.
I have no idea who said what at this point, but after the assertion was made that fat comes from carbs, someone else saidSo eating 10,000 calories of chicken breast won't make you fat? Fascinating.
At least read what you're responding to?
I think you have a mixture of different quotes.
Someone made the comment that excessive sugar in the bloodstream gets converted to body fat - which is indeed possible.
I'm not sure where the notion that fat comes from carbs is from, or where the notion that you can only gain weight by over eating carbs. I think some people are deciding to read things into post from extra dramatic effect?
Maybe the best thing to do would be to read all of the posts relating to this to get a clearer picture.0 -
Agreed, who is saying they do not?
In the nested quotes RIGHT ABOVE YOUR QUESTION:Carbs - converted to glucose, the glucose is then - taken up by the body as fuel, stored in the muscles and liver (limited storage), converted into body fat to be released as fuel at a later stage.
I have no idea who said what at this point, but after the assertion was made that fat comes from carbs, someone else saidSo eating 10,000 calories of chicken breast won't make you fat? Fascinating.
At least read what you're responding to?
I think you have a mixture of different quotes.
Someone made the comment that excessive sugar in the bloodstream gets converted to body fat - which is indeed possible.
I'm not sure where the notion that fat comes from carbs is from, or where the notion that you can only gain weight by over eating carbs. I think some people are deciding to read things into post from extra dramatic effect?
Maybe the best thing to do would be to read all of the posts relating to this to get a clearer picture.
Basically, overeating anything will cause a person to gain fat.0 -
This time I am trying to cut out SUGAR. By not adding sugar or eating things with so much sugar in them. Unfortunately here in America we love sugar and most things have sugar in them, but I am working on it. I am craving sweet things by the afternoon I am also feeling quite a bit more tired with out all the added sugar in my diet. This is like day two hopefully by weeks end I will be feeling alot better....
Do you have any helpful hints on how to cut sugar from my diet?
Sweet potatoes! My favorite low hassle way to prepare them: turn your oven on to the broiler, skin or wash 1 good sized sweet potato and chop it into even circles, then coat with coconut oil and broil until brown, then season with sea salt and cinnamon or pumpkin spice. I'm on day 5 of no sugar and these are totally saving my butt.0 -
I think you have a mixture of different quotes.
Yes. I mentioned as much. I wasn't going to go back and figure out who added which part. It was clear someone wasn't reading the quote chain they were responding to, however.
(Why doesn't MFP connect a quote with who said it? The advanced nesting quotes style is...frustrating.)0
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