Study: People lost more weight drinking diet soda...
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You're talking about the water, yes?i don't care what the study says, diet soda is NOT good for you. But keep on drinking your aspartame cola, get that daily dose of poison!
Because, I'm pretty sure, the water in the diet soda is more poisonous than the aspartame - you'd die from the water before the aspartame got even near to being an issue from the research that has been done.
What? I don't think so. LOL0 -
People majorly fail to read and interpret the study and put their own meanings into it. To make it simple, what it shows is only this: *IF* you are a soda drinker and you are trying to lose weight in a non calorie controlled diet, if you decide to switch to ONLY water, you will probably intake more calories than if you drank diet soda while trying to lose weight in that same calorie uncontrolled diet. THATS ALL!!
It does *NOT* indicate diet soda helps you lose weight, but it does tend to say that if you drank soda previously and restrict yourself from it while losing weight and not counting calories, you will probably eat more. I'd say that's true with ANY food you like and decide to "cold turkey" out of your diet and try to lose weight at the same time. SO its basically saying ABSOLUTELY NOTHING NEW!!
And then yes, you probably should at least have some suspicion in your mind that the results may have been slanted by the funding source. But since it says nothing new or interesting, I doubt they influenced it. Only the presentation was necessary, and just like this topic, you get people coming to the wrong conclusion and running around spreading the pro-artificial sweetener message, that this study doesn't even support! They sure gauged people well, no study manipulation necessary.
Yes, it doesn't matter that the study doesn't really show diet soda helps to lose weight, it made a headline, and people made bad assumptions, now everyone who "likes" diet soda will say it helps you lose weight if you start drinking it, even though that's false.
Eh, I like diet soda (or pop) enough to drink it on occasion, but I'd never say the study meant you'd lose more successfully if you started drinking it (unless you were replacing non-diet soda with it, since you'd be eliminating calories, potentially lots). As others have said, people are often told they should drop diet soda as part of their weight loss efforts, that it stimulates appetite and makes it impossible to eat in moderation, etc. I dropped it for a while and reintroduced it and didn't find it to have any effect at all. Whereas--since I like it--it does work better than water, sometimes, in replacing my desire for food when I'm not really all that hungry but feel like eating. Thus, the study seems consistent with what I had experienced for myself, but I wouldn't draw any silly conclusions from it.0 -
All adults of every species are lactose intolerant. Humans who continue to consume milk after infancy force their bodies to deal with the lactose. Along with the things that Stef mentioned, simply stopping consumption of dairy will eliminate your bodies ability to effectively deal with the lactose.
Humans are the only species to drink milk after infancy. We are the only species to drink the milk of another species. Cow's dairy is designed to add a thousand pounds to a calf. Why anyone trying to lose weight would drink dairy is beyond me. It is also loaded with hormones and antibiotics that can negatively effect a humans hormone imbalance and natural immune system. This is why puberty is hitting kids earlier and earlier as they continue to up the added hormones to milk.
Cow's dairy is strongly linked to type I diabetes.
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/17/1/13.full.pdf
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I would but I can't stand the face sugar any more.0
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I never understand the negative, judgmental reactions people have to OTHER PEOPLE drinking diet soda. Who cares? Whatever works for people. If my only option for a beverage were water, I'd hate it, and I drink tons of water. But, sometimes I need to mix it up.0
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These kittahs disagreeAll adults of every species are lactose intolerant. Humans who continue to consume milk after infancy force their bodies to deal with the lactose. Along with the things that Stef mentioned, simply stopping consumption of dairy will eliminate your bodies ability to effectively deal with the lactose.
Humans are the only species to drink milk after infancy. We are the only species to drink the milk of another species. Cow's dairy is designed to add a thousand pounds to a calf. Why anyone trying to lose weight would drink dairy is beyond me. It is also loaded with hormones and antibiotics that can negatively effect a humans hormone imbalance and natural immune system. This is why puberty is hitting kids earlier and earlier as they continue to up the added hormones to milk.
Cow's dairy is strongly linked to type I diabetes.
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/17/1/13.full.pdf
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Love a diet coke0
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Right, this one study (by the American Beverage Association, no less) proves that once and for all.
You do realize that this study is getting published merely for the fact that it's result is controversial, right? There are many other studies that show no correlation whatsoever. And even if they did, correlation=/=causation. Eating ice cream doesn't cause polio: http://theglyptodon.wordpress.com/2012/08/21/polio-caused-by-ice-cream/
Nice try. Enjoy your cancer.
Either post a study linking diet soda consumption to cancer in humans, or knock it off. I'm sorry, but having seen people die of cancer who never did any "bad" things for their health, I just don't find throwing cancer around to be funny.
Who was being funny? It's a very real concern. Studies have shown it to cause cancer in animals. We can't replicate these studies in humans because it wouldn't be ethical. We don't know what causes most cancers in humans.
We don't replicate those studies because we can't force people to consume 5 times their body weight in aspartame, or saccharin, or whatever they force-feed the lab rats.0 -
If you are going to drink anything but water, then I suppose diet soda is the best choice for you. If you read the article thoroughly, you will note it was only a short study and that they should do a longer study for real results. Also, the study was funded by diet soda makers....hmmmm.0
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Well, from what I understand ( and I am sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong :laugh:) of this study those that became the water drinkers did not only drink water but added in calorie drinks like fruit juice, and other sweet calories to compensate for the loss of the sweet taste of the diet sodas.
That in itself would cause a tilt in favor of the diet soda drinkers weight loss.
It's still calories in vs calories out. :flowerforyou:
and isn't that the reason most of us drink soda, diet or regular version. i drink water too, but sometimes i want something with taste. or sometimes i'm eating something and need something strong to wash it down.
so for me, the point of the study isn't that drinking diet soda improves weight loss, it's that it doesn't hinder it, as countless sources on the internet would have us believe. it takes the shine off of the "you're priming your body to eat food and your food receptors gonna be all primed and you're gonna crave something sweet and and and diet drinks make you gain weight!" this study tells those people to go jump in the lake.
hopefully there will be room left in the lake for the "Diet soda chemicals gonna kill you!" crowd
I see your point.
Mine is that the title of the study and the wording the news media used was misleading and if someone didn't read the whole study or watch all of the news articles they would think that if they start drinking diet soda, they'll lose weight.
I thought that when I first heard that the story was coming on next, on the news I was watching, and had my wallet in hand to go to the store to pick up some diet coke.
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I will stick with water....
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long term consistent drinking of diet drinks did yuckie things to me. when i gave them up, my health improved. i still have lasting negative effects in some areas, but some areas improved. I'll repeat... I will stick with water...
we all drink water...even diet soda drinkers...I get in at least 8 8oz cups a day...before I drink a diet coke...
So I have to ask tho what imporved? and what else changed? What are the "lasting negative effects"...
i lost 20 pounds off the bat. some of my headaches went away (after the initial withdrawal headaches). high blood pressure improved.
lasting negative effects... not proven, but... things that developed over the years and i 'think' it could have something to do with drinking lots of diet coke but i could be wrong: i am now lactose intolerant, never have been before. my stomach is also intolerant to other foods such as acid based foods(tomatoes, oranges, grapefruit, etc). like i said, could or could not be related, but i didn't have these issues before and developed them. but that's just what happened to me.
so you stopped drinking diet soda...nothing else..nothing changed and you lost 20lbs...:noway: sure
and the bp didn't improve due to the 20lbs being gone???
being lactose intolerant isn't from drinking diet pop otherwise most type1 diabetics would be as well...ditto to the stomache issues..Lactose intolerance is very common in adults. It is rarely dangerous. Around 30 million American adults have some degree of lactose intolerance by age 20.
•In Caucasians, lactose intolerance often develops in children older than age 5. In African Americans, the problem can occur as early as age 2.
•The condition is normal among adults with Asian, African, or Native American heritage. It is less common in people of northern or western European backgrounds.
Other causes of lactose intolerance include:
•Bowel surgery
•Infections in the small intestine from viruses, bacteria, or parasites (most often seen in children, but can also occur in adults)
•Intestinal diseases such as celiac sprue
from this
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000276.htm
That's why I said: not proven...
I just know what happened to me, that's all I know. :flowerforyou:0 -
All adults of every species are lactose intolerant. Humans who continue to consume milk after infancy force their bodies to deal with the lactose. Along with the things that Stef mentioned, simply stopping consumption of dairy will eliminate your bodies ability to effectively deal with the lactose.
Humans are the only species to drink milk after infancy. We are the only species to drink the milk of another species. Cow's dairy is designed to add a thousand pounds to a calf. Why anyone trying to lose weight would drink dairy is beyond me. It is also loaded with hormones and antibiotics that can negatively effect a humans hormone imbalance and natural immune system. This is why puberty is hitting kids earlier and earlier as they continue to up the added hormones to milk.
Cow's dairy is strongly linked to type I diabetes.
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/17/1/13.full.pdf
Point taken. However, this is a result of human interference and getting domesticated animals to adopt and nurse other domesticated animals.0 -
It is critically important to know where you get your information. As many of the previous replies have said, this study could very well be biased. Do your own research from a few different sources and form your OWN opinion. Anyone who does any amount of research from the internet/journals/books would find that the ingredients in diet soda are not exactly conducive with a healthy lifestyle.
I like to eat wholesome, natural foods/beverages that my body knows how to digest (ie: non or minimally processed food) This is simply the best option. It's common sense. But if you like soda, drink it! I drink it sometimes. Just in moderation.
Everything in moderation.0 -
Also, people can get very nasty on these forums.... Did none of us learn to disagree respectfully? It is quite possible to have a strong, educated opinion (especially about something so trivial as SODA) without making other people feel silly or degraded. Yikes.0
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I remember reading a study that said just the opposite last year...that diet soda proved to do more harm than good, especially in diabetics. That being said, I still have diet soda. I just try to have it in moderation...maybe one two liter per week if that. I'd like to not have it at all and just have regular soda once in a while, but I'm not ready for that yet. And as for cancer...there's a lot of things that probably cause cancer. Diet soda wouldn't be the only culprit.0
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Most Diet Sodas have NutraSweet (Aspartame) in them and NutraSweet contains monosodium glutamate (MSG) as one of its ingredients. MSG works directly on your nervous system to make you think something taste better.
So basically MSG works the same as all flavourings? Since, you know, taste comes from how your brain interprets what it picks up from receptors in your taste buds.0 -
If you are going to drink anything but water, then I suppose diet soda is the best choice for you.
I like diet soda perfectly well, but I wouldn't go that far! There are tons of beverages, hot and cold, that are just fine.
At present, this thread is making me want a nice glass of milk.0 -
Not sure it "proves" but the correlations of the study are nice to hear0
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Please, quick show of "bumps" if you know anyone who has EVER DIED of aspertame?
Anyone? Anyone know of anyone close to them who has DIED of aspertame?
Rumor has it, my neighbor's cousin Jimmy has a friend in Rye New York whose 3rd cousin in Cuba died on a motorcycle from hitting asphalt. You said asphalt right?0 -
I did 'LOL' when I clicked on your diary.I like to eat wholesome, natural foods/beverages that my body knows how to digest (ie: non or minimally processed food) This is simply the best option.
What with all the talk of milk and the first entry for the day being processed milk.
Then bread, turkey bacon and so on - finishing with peanut butter.
Thankfully, 'common sense' to me is that the body has no idea if a food is 'processed' or not, nor if it's 'natural' or not. In fact, most people have trouble setting out a congruent description of those I find!
Also, had you considered that telling people your way was the best and 'common sense' could make them feel silly and degraded if they don't follow your way?0 -
And why don't you think so?What? I don't think so. LOL
As an idea:
http://voices.yahoo.com/water-intoxication-much-water-too-much-201296.html
7 litres of water in one case, 14 in another and so on.
From the testing done on rats (not great, but all we've got to go by), a bloke of around my weight (175lb or so), if I remember (as it was a while since I did the calculations) would have to drink around 400 cans of Coke Zero pretty quickly to have potentially fatal affects.
That's 133 litres or so - 10 to 20 times more than it would take the water to kill people. Also considerably more than body weight in water - to the point I'd be confidence that the Aspartame would literally be the least of your worries.0 -
I did 'LOL' when I clicked on your diary.I like to eat wholesome, natural foods/beverages that my body knows how to digest (ie: non or minimally processed food) This is simply the best option.
What with all the talk of milk and the first entry for the day being processed milk.
Then bread, turkey bacon and so on - finishing with peanut butter.
Thankfully, 'common sense' to me is that the body has no idea if a food is 'processed' or not, nor if it's 'natural' or not. In fact, most people have trouble setting out a congruent description of those I find!
Also, had you considered that telling people your way was the best and 'common sense' could make them feel silly and degraded if they don't follow your way?
It wasn't peanut butter, it was a Fullbar. Clinically proven to help you lose weight, now with all-natural Slendesta.0 -
Don't have experience with that area, I have to admit, because I'm a firm believer nuts should be 'all natural' and definitely not in any way 'processed' by human hands -
Namely they should be left on the ground where they fall for the squirrels :P.
(And yes, I know - legumes or whatever - which are just as bad, as it goes.) 0 -
ok, now we are onto adults not drinking milk either , it is also very bad for you. :laugh:
oh dear.0 -
1) Who did the study? "Researchers" is not a good enough citation
2) One study versus hundreds
3) I do what a wahnt0 -
Hundreds of studies showing what?
The only studies I've seen showing weight gain has again been a case that some people eat more after consuming artificial sweeteners, for whatever reason.0 -
People with phenylketonuria should not have aspartame. That's about it.
My SIL is an epileptic and a diet soda addict, and she's never had a reaction in her 41 years. It could be that this person's late wife had PKU or that correlation =/= causation. (Though I am sorry for his loss. No one deserves to go through that either as he sick person or the sick person's loved one.)
I am not diagnosed PKU and yet I have an extremely severe reaction to aspartame. So, it's either not only people with PKU or I've gone 20 years with un-diagnosed PKU, beating all of the odds. Which seems more likely? And if the FDA will claim that noone can have an allergy/sensitivity to aspartame when there are very obviously people who do... it makes me extremely wary to believe any thing that they say about this so-called safe artificial sweetener.0 -
My 2¢ :happy:
- Aspartame, which as of 2011 is the primary sweetener in Diet Pepsi, has been the subject of controversy, most notably in 1996 amid a 60 Minutes report[21] on concerns alleging that aspartame might be linked to the development of brain tumors in humans. Critics of Aspartame have expressed concerns that numerous health risks may be associated with its consumption; however, peer-reviewed comprehensive review articles and independent reviews by governmental regulatory bodies have analyzed the published research on the safety of aspartame and have described it as safe for consumption at current levels.[22][23][24] Aspartame has been deemed safe for human consumption by regulatory agencies in their respective countries,[24] including the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the U.K. Food Standards Agency,[25] the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA)[26] and Canada's Health Canada.[27]
See - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_Pepsi#Composition0 -
All adults of every species are lactose intolerant. Humans who continue to consume milk after infancy force their bodies to deal with the lactose. Along with the things that Stef mentioned, simply stopping consumption of dairy will eliminate your bodies ability to effectively deal with the lactose.
Humans are the only species to drink milk after infancy. We are the only species to drink the milk of another species. Cow's dairy is designed to add a thousand pounds to a calf. Why anyone trying to lose weight would drink dairy is beyond me. It is also loaded with hormones and antibiotics that can negatively effect a humans hormone imbalance and natural immune system. This is why puberty is hitting kids earlier and earlier as they continue to up the added hormones to milk.
Cow's dairy is strongly linked to type I diabetes.
http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/17/1/13.full.pdf
we're also the only species that prefers to eat it's food cooked. we're the only species that prefers to drink from a glass instead of lapping our liquids up with our tongues. should i infer some cosmic meaning from these miscellaneous facts too?0 -
This research is questionable at best. You have to ask yourself if the study is truly objective. Did a lobby group for the soft drink industry fund it? Did a soft drink company themselves fund this study? If the answer is "yes" to both, then throw out any validity.0
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