Is fruit fattening?

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  • RivenV
    RivenV Posts: 1,667 Member
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    2/3's of Americans are overweight, 1/3 are Obese. I have no problem using the term "most".

    I thought you were saying that calorie counting doesn't work for most people trying to lose weight - which is not true.

    Calorie counting works for losing weight, but it doesn't work for most people in keeping the weight off. Most put the weight back on when they get tired of counting or reach their goal.

    Wait... You're saying that when most people stop using their method of diet control, their diet gets out of control?

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    Are you serious right now? Do you not see the obvious logical failings in your argument?

    Of course counting calories doesn't work if you stop counting calories. That seems pretty fundamental.
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 5,951 Member
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    I always hear about how fruit is loaded with sugar and that it's something to avoid when losing weight.

    But I also hear how fruits are also essential because they also encourage weight loss.

    Would I be correct to say that the sugar in fruit isn't the same as the sugar in, for example, a soda? I've also heard that the sugar fruits contain, since it's naturally produced, is actually necessary to your body for maintaining adequate levels of blood salts and sugar.

    I'd like to rule out the misinformation. I have my doubts that all sugar is created equal. Thoughts?

    Fruit in and of itself is not fattening. That said, fruit in and of itself is not a magical weight loss food either... no food is.
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 5,951 Member
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    The only thing that encourages fat is a surplus of calories, that's any food eaten above maintenance.

    Yep...
  • VeganCappy
    VeganCappy Posts: 122
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    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2763382/

    Four diet groups, all counting calories, all lost weight, and all were on track to regain all that weight by the end of year three.
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 5,951 Member
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    2/3's of Americans are overweight, 1/3 are Obese. I have no problem using the term "most".

    I thought you were saying that calorie counting doesn't work for most people trying to lose weight - which is not true.

    Calorie counting works for losing weight, but it doesn't work for most people in keeping the weight off. Most put the weight back on when they get tired of counting or reach their goal.

    People put weight back on when they stop doing the things that helped them succeed. To single out calorie counting is silly...
  • VeganCappy
    VeganCappy Posts: 122
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    2/3's of Americans are overweight, 1/3 are Obese. I have no problem using the term "most".

    I thought you were saying that calorie counting doesn't work for most people trying to lose weight - which is not true.

    Calorie counting works for losing weight, but it doesn't work for most people in keeping the weight off. Most put the weight back on when they get tired of counting or reach their goal.

    People put weight back on when they stop doing the things that helped them succeed. To single out calorie counting is silly...

    Actually, what I have been saying is that it isn't the calorie counting that is the problem, it is the diet. Eat a diet that doesn't require calorie counting. You can't keep eating crap in moderation, because eventually your moderation changes. It is like telling an alcoholic to drink in moderation.
  • kgeyser
    kgeyser Posts: 22,505 Member
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    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2763382/

    Four diet groups, all counting calories, all lost weight, and all were on track to regain all that weight by the end of year three.
    However, attendance had a strong association with weight loss, and the association was similar across diet groups. We view attendance at counseling sessions as a proxy for commitment to achieving weight loss and for engagement in the program. Study participants who attended two thirds of the sessions over the course of 2 years lost about 9 kg of weight. Regain after 6 to 12 months was about 20% of the regain reported in earlier trials.28 Several recent trials have also shown that continued contact with participants after weight loss is associated with less regain.12,24,37,38 These findings together point to behavioral factors rather than macronutrient metabolism as the main influences on weight loss.
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 5,951 Member
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    2/3's of Americans are overweight, 1/3 are Obese. I have no problem using the term "most".

    I thought you were saying that calorie counting doesn't work for most people trying to lose weight - which is not true.

    Calorie counting works for losing weight, but it doesn't work for most people in keeping the weight off. Most put the weight back on when they get tired of counting or reach their goal.

    People put weight back on when they stop doing the things that helped them succeed. To single out calorie counting is silly...

    Actually, what I have been saying is that it isn't the calorie counting that is the problem, it is the diet. Eat a diet that doesn't require calorie counting. You can't keep eating crap in moderation, because eventually your moderation changes. It is like telling an alcoholic to drink in moderation.

    Judging by your handle, I am going to guess that in your opinion, it is only the vegan diet that does not require calorie counting...
  • RivenV
    RivenV Posts: 1,667 Member
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    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2763382/

    Four diet groups, all counting calories, all lost weight, and all were on track to regain all that weight by the end of year three.
    Did you even read this study before you posted it? It doesn't say what you indicated in the above post.

    The conclusion of the study clearly indicated that continued participation led to less regain than the average (~20%). So if you've had success with calorie counting, it follows that you will continue to have success calorie counting (into maintenance).

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  • RivenV
    RivenV Posts: 1,667 Member
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    2/3's of Americans are overweight, 1/3 are Obese. I have no problem using the term "most".

    I thought you were saying that calorie counting doesn't work for most people trying to lose weight - which is not true.

    Calorie counting works for losing weight, but it doesn't work for most people in keeping the weight off. Most put the weight back on when they get tired of counting or reach their goal.

    People put weight back on when they stop doing the things that helped them succeed. To single out calorie counting is silly...

    Actually, what I have been saying is that it isn't the calorie counting that is the problem, it is the diet. Eat a diet that doesn't require calorie counting. You can't keep eating crap in moderation, because eventually your moderation changes. It is like telling an alcoholic to drink in moderation.
    Omg... we're going from a "fruit is fattening" thread into a "food is addicting" thread. Everyone bail out right meow.
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  • VeganCappy
    VeganCappy Posts: 122
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    I give up on posting studies. People just have no clue how to read them.
  • RivenV
    RivenV Posts: 1,667 Member
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    I give up on posting studies. People just have no clue how to read them.
    You're right. Some people have no clue how to read them. :laugh:

    I love that two people come to the same conclusion (that differs from yours) after reading the study that you posted, and you start throwing tantrums/stones.
  • msf74
    msf74 Posts: 3,498 Member
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    Hands up everyone who is one her trying to lose weight because they ate too many apples!

    Wut?
  • SugaryLynx
    SugaryLynx Posts: 2,640 Member
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    I give up on posting studies. People just have no clue how to read them.
    You're right. Some people have no clue how to read them. :laugh:

    I love that two people come to the same conclusion (that differs from yours) after reading the study that you posted, and you start throwing tantrums/stones.

    It's a conspiracy! Clearly.
  • RivenV
    RivenV Posts: 1,667 Member
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    I give up on posting studies. People just have no clue how to read them.
    You're right. Some people have no clue how to read them. :laugh:

    I love that two people come to the same conclusion (that differs from yours) after reading the study that you posted, and you start throwing tantrums/stones.

    It's a conspiracy! Clearly.
    Sounds like Big-Gluten's modus operandi. I should have known!
  • kgeyser
    kgeyser Posts: 22,505 Member
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    I give up on posting studies. People just have no clue how to read them.

    I'm sorry the study didn't say what you wanted it to.
  • VeganCappy
    VeganCappy Posts: 122
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    Yes it does. People are just ignoring the term "Regain".
  • 1FearlessFighter
    1FearlessFighter Posts: 114 Member
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    the sugars in fruits are WAY healthier than all the sugars found in artificial processed junk. even if you eat the same number of calories and sugar from an apple and some synthesised piece of crap in a plastic wrapper that probably contains all sorts of chemicals that mess up your hormones and may lead to weight gain in the long term , im all in on natural healthy whole foods

    I raise your run on sentence with 4 twinkies. 4 twinkies vs the same calories and sugar content as fruit. Difference? Fruit will probably have more vitamins, minerals, and fiber. The sugar will be digested the same. My body doesn't care where it comes from. If I've already gotten the necessary nutrients my body needs, there's nothing wrong with twinkies within my calorie goal.

    If you're getting your daily nutrients (aka all the vitamins, minerals, etc) that your body needs, there's nothing wrong with any food. You can label it, demonize it, maybe even put some devil horns on it, it doesn't matter. Calories in vs out for weight loss. Balancing your nutrient intake for health.

    even if it has the same calories, the compounds in twinkies are certainly a no no for health, have you seen the ingredient list; hydrogenated oil, high fructose corn syrup, lard, not to mention all the artificial colours!!!! and its not only about weight loss its about being healthy in your life and that twinkie path is not the right one to take
  • SugaryLynx
    SugaryLynx Posts: 2,640 Member
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    the sugars in fruits are WAY healthier than all the sugars found in artificial processed junk. even if you eat the same number of calories and sugar from an apple and some synthesised piece of crap in a plastic wrapper that probably contains all sorts of chemicals that mess up your hormones and may lead to weight gain in the long term , im all in on natural healthy whole foods

    I raise your run on sentence with 4 twinkies. 4 twinkies vs the same calories and sugar content as fruit. Difference? Fruit will probably have more vitamins, minerals, and fiber. The sugar will be digested the same. My body doesn't care where it comes from. If I've already gotten the necessary nutrients my body needs, there's nothing wrong with twinkies within my calorie goal.

    If you're getting your daily nutrients (aka all the vitamins, minerals, etc) that your body needs, there's nothing wrong with any food. You can label it, demonize it, maybe even put some devil horns on it, it doesn't matter. Calories in vs out for weight loss. Balancing your nutrient intake for health.

    even if it has the same calories, the compounds in twinkies are certainly a no no for health, have you seen the ingredient list; hydrogenated oil, high fructose corn syrup, lard, not to mention all the artificial colours!!!! and its not only about weight loss its about being healthy in your life and that twinkie path is not the right one to take

    Oh the horror..chemicals are in everything. Everything can keeel you. Lol I guess you missed the part about meeting your nutrient needs and moderation, no? Too busy thinking about them delicious twinkies and their cream filling
  • VeganCappy
    VeganCappy Posts: 122
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    Moderation Kills

    http://www.dresselstyn.com/moderation_kills.htm

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