Is fruit fattening?

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  • Onesnap
    Onesnap Posts: 2,819 Member
    Moderation Kills

    http://www.dresselstyn.com/moderation_kills.htm

    Oh do keep the fear mongering going, you're on a roll.

    It isn't fear mongering, it is recognizing human psychology. I work with a lot of overweight people as a nutritionist and personal trainer. Every single one of them says the same thing. "I eat in moderation, but I can't lose weight". I ask them for a food log, and I find their concept of moderation is very different what I would consider moderation. Only one cupcake a day to them compared to only two cupcakes a year to me. I tell them "You moderation is purely subjective, and if you are overweight, your subjective view of moderation is obviously not conducive to maintaining a healthy weight. "
    Lol. All high and mighty.

    Life would not be worth living if I could only eat two cupcakes per year. But...that's just me and I love to bake. I've also always been a healthy weight...I use this site to maintain or lose a little after work travel. :)
  • SugaryLynx
    SugaryLynx Posts: 2,640 Member
    the sugars in fruits are WAY healthier than all the sugars found in artificial processed junk. even if you eat the same number of calories and sugar from an apple and some synthesised piece of crap in a plastic wrapper that probably contains all sorts of chemicals that mess up your hormones and may lead to weight gain in the long term , im all in on natural healthy whole foods

    I raise your run on sentence with 4 twinkies. 4 twinkies vs the same calories and sugar content as fruit. Difference? Fruit will probably have more vitamins, minerals, and fiber. The sugar will be digested the same. My body doesn't care where it comes from. If I've already gotten the necessary nutrients my body needs, there's nothing wrong with twinkies within my calorie goal.

    If you're getting your daily nutrients (aka all the vitamins, minerals, etc) that your body needs, there's nothing wrong with any food. You can label it, demonize it, maybe even put some devil horns on it, it doesn't matter. Calories in vs out for weight loss. Balancing your nutrient intake for health.

    even if it has the same calories, the compounds in twinkies are certainly a no no for health, have you seen the ingredient list; hydrogenated oil, high fructose corn syrup, lard, not to mention all the artificial colours!!!! and its not only about weight loss its about being healthy in your life and that twinkie path is not the right one to take

    Oh the horror..chemicals are in everything. Everything can keeel you. Lol I guess you missed the part about meeting your nutrient needs and moderation, no? Too busy thinking about them delicious twinkies and their cream filling

    thats exactly the point, ( even though you probably meant to say it in a sarcastic way), there are chemicals in so many of our foods, even innocent things like that crispy apple may contain up to 50 different pesticides, 7 of which are carcinogenic. the only way to ensure you are removing these from your diet is by eating organic produce, oh and those "delicious twinkies and their cream filling" are slices of fake ingredients pumped up with chemicals and additives with a creamy filling of sugar, fat and who the hell knows what

    You do realize they put chemicals on organic produce too, right? It just has to be you know "natural chemicals". It's still chemicals. But you're probably all like "Don't eat things you can't pronounce, trololo". I caution you from looking up the chemical composition of an apple. We'd never be able to eat anything if we spent our whole lives making up things in our heads on what's evil and what's not. It's fine though, more twinkies for me. I've heard they make banana twinkies too.
  • Derpes
    Derpes Posts: 2,033 Member
    Moderation Kills

    http://www.dresselstyn.com/moderation_kills.htm

    NO
  • RivenV
    RivenV Posts: 1,667 Member
    Moderation Kills

    http://www.dresselstyn.com/moderation_kills.htm
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  • kgeyser
    kgeyser Posts: 22,505 Member
    Yes it does. People are just ignoring the term "Regain".

    No, you're ignoring where it says that the type of diet had no bearing on the results and the biggest predictor of success was behavior.
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,002 Member
    I work with a lot of overweight people as a nutritionist and personal trainer.

    Your views are way to narrow-minded. I suspect you are not a very good nutritionalist and or personal trainer...
  • VeganCappy
    VeganCappy Posts: 122
    2/3's of Americans are overweight, 1/3 are Obese. I have no problem using the term "most".

    I thought you were saying that calorie counting doesn't work for most people trying to lose weight - which is not true.

    Calorie counting works for losing weight, but it doesn't work for most people in keeping the weight off. Most put the weight back on when they get tired of counting or reach their goal.

    People put weight back on when they stop doing the things that helped them succeed. To single out calorie counting is silly...

    Actually, what I have been saying is that it isn't the calorie counting that is the problem, it is the diet. Eat a diet that doesn't require calorie counting. You can't keep eating crap in moderation, because eventually your moderation changes. It is like telling an alcoholic to drink in moderation.
    You love applying a blanket statement to everyone who is not vegan. It's funny how often a plant based diet person comes along saying how all of us are doing it wrong. How almost every single one of us will fail. How they have tons of articles proving their point, but none of you ever, ever, ever show us how you have applied all your amazing knowledge to yourselves. You guys never do.

    We all ate what you call "crap" at one time. You have even admitted to still eating cake now. Then we go on to lose weight but your group is the one that seems to push the hardest to change the world because now you guys are all high and mighty and have had a the answers revealed to you.

    It's pretty pathetic how I bet every single person here is willing to put their story out there. I've even personally said to you that I would be more than happy to compare before and afters plus latest physicals including blood work, ekg etc. Your response was "why do I need to provide anecdotal evidence why I'm giving you empirical evidence". Simply a lame cop out. Start putting up some real information and evidence and maybe people will stop laughing at you for scare mongering.


    Vegans are the only diet group in the US with, on average, a normal BMI. Maybe you should listen to people in the only group who, on average, are NOT overweight.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19351712
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,002 Member
    2/3's of Americans are overweight, 1/3 are Obese. I have no problem using the term "most".

    I thought you were saying that calorie counting doesn't work for most people trying to lose weight - which is not true.

    Calorie counting works for losing weight, but it doesn't work for most people in keeping the weight off. Most put the weight back on when they get tired of counting or reach their goal.

    People put weight back on when they stop doing the things that helped them succeed. To single out calorie counting is silly...

    Actually, what I have been saying is that it isn't the calorie counting that is the problem, it is the diet. Eat a diet that doesn't require calorie counting. You can't keep eating crap in moderation, because eventually your moderation changes. It is like telling an alcoholic to drink in moderation.
    You love applying a blanket statement to everyone who is not vegan. It's funny how often a plant based diet person comes along saying how all of us are doing it wrong. How almost every single one of us will fail. How they have tons of articles proving their point, but none of you ever, ever, ever show us how you have applied all your amazing knowledge to yourselves. You guys never do.

    We all ate what you call "crap" at one time. You have even admitted to still eating cake now. Then we go on to lose weight but your group is the one that seems to push the hardest to change the world because now you guys are all high and mighty and have had a the answers revealed to you.

    It's pretty pathetic how I bet every single person here is willing to put their story out there. I've even personally said to you that I would be more than happy to compare before and afters plus latest physicals including blood work, ekg etc. Your response was "why do I need to provide anecdotal evidence why I'm giving you empirical evidence". Simply a lame cop out. Start putting up some real information and evidence and maybe people will stop laughing at you for scare mongering.

    Amen...
  • VeganCappy
    VeganCappy Posts: 122
    I work with a lot of overweight people as a nutritionist and personal trainer.

    Your views are way to narrow-minded. I suspect you are not a very good nutritionalist and or personal trainer...

    A lot of ad hominem on this board. Yet I am the only one to back up my statements with science. Good luck to you all. You know everything already, and obviously don't need to listen to someone who has been successful for almost an entire decade.
  • J72FIT
    J72FIT Posts: 6,002 Member
    I work with a lot of overweight people as a nutritionist and personal trainer.

    Your views are way to narrow-minded. I suspect you are not a very good nutritionalist and or personal trainer...

    A lot of ad hominem on this board. Yet I am the only one to back up my statements with science. Good luck to you all. You know everything already, and obviously don't need to listen to someone who has been successful for almost an entire decade.

    Sounds like you are describing yourself...
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  • wheird
    wheird Posts: 7,963 Member
    How can fruit be fattening when it has zero fat?!

    Tell me that, smart people. :angry:
  • skullshank
    skullshank Posts: 4,323 Member
    How can fruit be fattening when it has zero fat?!

    Tell me that, smart people. :angry:

    i butter my pineapples, so yes...fattening.
  • kgeyser
    kgeyser Posts: 22,505 Member
    Here's a scientific study that links vegetarianism to protein malnutrition and increased risk of cardiovascular disease.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21872435

    We can now conclude, by the rules of this thread, that all people who follow a plant-based diet suffer from protein malnutrition and are at an increased risk for cardiovascular disease. Because a link has been thrown down, people.
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  • _HeartsOnFire_
    _HeartsOnFire_ Posts: 5,304 Member
    Moderation Kills

    http://www.dresselstyn.com/moderation_kills.htm

    Oh do keep the fear mongering going, you're on a roll.

    It isn't fear mongering, it is recognizing human psychology. I work with a lot of overweight people as a nutritionist and personal trainer. Every single one of them says the same thing. "I eat in moderation, but I can't lose weight". I ask them for a food log, and I find their concept of moderation is very different what I would consider moderation. Only one cupcake a day to them compared to only two cupcakes a year to me. I tell them "You moderation is purely subjective, and if you are overweight, your subjective view of moderation is obviously not conducive to maintaining a healthy weight. "
    Lol. All high and mighty.

    Life would not be worth living if I could only eat two cupcakes per year. But...that's just me and I love to bake. I've also always been a healthy weight...I use this site to maintain or lose a little after work travel. :)

    I guess all my weight loss is a fluke, considering when I have a cupcake - usually about 1x a month - I have 2 a day for 2 days. Oh the horror!

    I'm also on a plant based diet, but I do know that moderation is key to weight loss. The reason people gain weight is because they don't understand really what moderation is, and of course everyone's idea of what moderation is, is different because all of our calorie goals are different.
  • giggitygoo
    giggitygoo Posts: 1,978 Member
    I sure hope not, cause I've been eating half a watermelon erry day for the past week.

    Anything that you can manage to eat enough of to go into caloric surplus is fattening. I mean, if you can manage to eat an entire field of broccoli without dying of explosive diarrhea, I'm pretty sure you'd put on a couple pounds of chub.
  • FunkyTobias
    FunkyTobias Posts: 1,776 Member
    Vegans are the only diet group in the US with, on average, a normal BMI. Maybe you should listen to people in the only group who, on average, are NOT overweight.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19351712

    You might want to read the full text of that study

    Some evidence indicates a temporal relationship between initiating plant-based diets and leanness (2,3), though a randomized study found that a vegetarian diet did not improve long-term weight loss (25).

    Our data are cross-sectional and do not allow causal inferences to be made.

    The cohort was not representative of the general population; i.e., participants were church attendees. Members who choose vegetarianism are likely to be more compliant with other church tenets and to differ from nonvegetarians with regard to major determinants of type 2 diabetes

    http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/32/5/791.long
  • amwbox
    amwbox Posts: 576 Member
    Calories are calories, and sugar (despite being a different sort in fruit) has the same caloric impact.

    Just don't make the mistake of assuming that something is good for you because its natural. Its not. Nature doesn't care about you at all, and "natural" does not mean good.
  • PinkyFett
    PinkyFett Posts: 842 Member
    Well, anything can be fattening if you eat too much of it.

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