Turning on the BS Detector
TheWorstHorse
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/begin rant
I was in a small gym today and overheard a "personal trainer" telling a client that he should be eating no more than 1500 cal a day, 250 cal at a time, to "maintain his weight" while working out six days a week for forty-five minutes. This guidance was given in the middle of a "circuit workout" that the trainer claimed was generating a 1000 cal/hour burn even though the client maintained a non-stop conversation while exercising. The client was 5'8" and, as far as I could tell, of average weight and fitness. He was, based on his workout, probably new to training.
I think it is a safe bet that this beginner was getting bad nutrition advice in the midst of a badly designed exercise program that won't accomplish anything unless his goal is hanging out in a gym for six hours a week. And paying for it. Given the gym, probably paying a lot for it. And I would go double or nothing on the bet that the "personal trainer" actually has little training in nutrition, exercise physiology, and from the instructions he was dispensing, designing or guiding an exercise program.
Why am I writing this? Because there are a lot of good personal trainers out there. They get good training. They keep themselves up to date. They don't dispense bullsh-t or magical shortcuts, just hard work in the form of good exercise prescriptions. And if you are a beginner or new to methodical training and want to work with a personal trainer, you need to find one. And do what he or she says.
And how do you know that they know what they are doing? You ask about their training and certifications. You ask about their nutrition and training philosophy. You ask them how they work with injuries, what science their programs are based upon, whether they specialize in certain kinds of sports, and if you can talk with one or two of their most successful clients.
And then you turn on the bullsh-t detector and check every single thing they say to you. If it sounds too good to be true, it is. Always. Lose four pounds a week? BS. 1500 cal workouts without sweat? BS. Ten pounds of new muscle in a month? BS. Living on 1300 cal/day and gaining muscle? BS, unless you are a hobbit.
Why should you do this? Because a bad trainer will waste a lot of your time and money (best case) or injure you badly enough to disable you (worst case). And because, for every good trainer out there are two or three or more bad trainers (most of whom don't seem to know they are bad) waiting for you and you, as a beginner, can't tell the difference.
/end rant
I was in a small gym today and overheard a "personal trainer" telling a client that he should be eating no more than 1500 cal a day, 250 cal at a time, to "maintain his weight" while working out six days a week for forty-five minutes. This guidance was given in the middle of a "circuit workout" that the trainer claimed was generating a 1000 cal/hour burn even though the client maintained a non-stop conversation while exercising. The client was 5'8" and, as far as I could tell, of average weight and fitness. He was, based on his workout, probably new to training.
I think it is a safe bet that this beginner was getting bad nutrition advice in the midst of a badly designed exercise program that won't accomplish anything unless his goal is hanging out in a gym for six hours a week. And paying for it. Given the gym, probably paying a lot for it. And I would go double or nothing on the bet that the "personal trainer" actually has little training in nutrition, exercise physiology, and from the instructions he was dispensing, designing or guiding an exercise program.
Why am I writing this? Because there are a lot of good personal trainers out there. They get good training. They keep themselves up to date. They don't dispense bullsh-t or magical shortcuts, just hard work in the form of good exercise prescriptions. And if you are a beginner or new to methodical training and want to work with a personal trainer, you need to find one. And do what he or she says.
And how do you know that they know what they are doing? You ask about their training and certifications. You ask about their nutrition and training philosophy. You ask them how they work with injuries, what science their programs are based upon, whether they specialize in certain kinds of sports, and if you can talk with one or two of their most successful clients.
And then you turn on the bullsh-t detector and check every single thing they say to you. If it sounds too good to be true, it is. Always. Lose four pounds a week? BS. 1500 cal workouts without sweat? BS. Ten pounds of new muscle in a month? BS. Living on 1300 cal/day and gaining muscle? BS, unless you are a hobbit.
Why should you do this? Because a bad trainer will waste a lot of your time and money (best case) or injure you badly enough to disable you (worst case). And because, for every good trainer out there are two or three or more bad trainers (most of whom don't seem to know they are bad) waiting for you and you, as a beginner, can't tell the difference.
/end rant
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As a certified PT since 1998, I whole heartedly agree with this. There are even "old school" trainers who still adhere to the broscience still being passed around the fitness industry today.
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Trooth.
Kills me when people slam all personal "trainers". yeah there are bad ones- but they aren't ALL bad.0 -
As a certified PT since 1998, I whole heartedly agree with this. There are even "old school" trainers who still adhere to the broscience still being passed around the fitness industry today.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I get to watch our one and only trainers workout two women who want to "make their waist smaller".
They basically do partner sit up stuff for an hour....and maybe some lunges.0 -
As a certified PT since 1998, I whole heartedly agree with this. There are even "old school" trainers who still adhere to the broscience still being passed around the fitness industry today.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I get to watch our one and only trainers workout two women who want to "make their waist smaller".
They basically do partner sit up stuff for an hour....and maybe some lunges.
Lol.... Same thing happens in my gym. We have some really good trainers and some horrible trainers.0 -
.....And how do you know that they know what they are doing? You ask about their training and certifications. You ask about their nutrition and training philosophy. You ask them how they work with injuries, what science their programs are based upon, whether they specialize in certain kinds of sports, and if you can talk with one or two of their most successful clients.
And then you turn on the bullsh-t detector and check every single thing they say to you. If it sounds too good to be true, it is. Always. Lose four pounds a week? BS. 1500 cal workouts without sweat? BS. Ten pounds of new muscle in a month? BS. Living on 1300 cal/day and gaining muscle? BS, unless you are a hobbit......
sounds good in theory but doesn't tend to be very effective IRL
the typical newbie doesn't know the right answers to these questions so they can ask them all they want, but will have no idea if they answers they get are good or bad. if they already knew the right answers, they wouldn't be looking for a trainer. the "BS detector" will just be that "good feeling" they got when the trainer, good or bad, looked them directly in the eye and told them things without stuttering. if it sounds legit enough, they'll believe it, no matter how insane. this is basically what happens to me when i ask a mechanic what's wrong with my car.
and no one ever ever ever asks about certifications but it's a bunch of alphabet soup and the general population doesn't recognize one that requires extensive education and knowledge from one that i could get by mailing in cereal box tops. this is basically what happens to me when i'm trying to figure out which powerlifting organization a person holds their particular age record in.0 -
The saddest part is most people can only afford a personal trainer for a short time and will only give them a shot once in their lives so that bad experience can "set" a person's misconceptions of fitness for life. They also are under the misconception that all trainers are the same and have some kind of borg like grasp of "THE" knowledge about fitness/nutrition.
This is ONE circumstance where I wouldn't blame you if you spoke up at some point when the trainer isn't around and it's not awkward. Of course the disageeeing will be awkward but you could at least make it less so by holding your tongue until that person is working out alone.0 -
As a certified PT since 1998, I whole heartedly agree with this. There are even "old school" trainers who still adhere to the broscience still being passed around the fitness industry today.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Wait, you're a certified PT??0 -
Unfortunately it's rather easy to become a trainer and many don't have the experience behind them. Some may not have the experience but are very good at applying their knowledge, depends on who you get.0
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/begin rant
I was in a small gym today and overheard a "personal trainer" telling a client that he should be eating no more than 1500 cal a day, 250 cal at a time, to "maintain his weight" while working out six days a week for forty-five minutes. This guidance was given in the middle of a "circuit workout" that the trainer claimed was generating a 1000 cal/hour burn even though the client maintained a non-stop conversation while exercising. The client was 5'8" and, as far as I could tell, of average weight and fitness. He was, based on his workout, probably new to training.
I think it is a safe bet that this beginner was getting bad nutrition advice in the midst of a badly designed exercise program that won't accomplish anything unless his goal is hanging out in a gym for six hours a week. And paying for it. Given the gym, probably paying a lot for it. And I would go double or nothing on the bet that the "personal trainer" actually has little training in nutrition, exercise physiology, and from the instructions he was dispensing, designing or guiding an exercise program.
Why am I writing this? Because there are a lot of good personal trainers out there. They get good training. They keep themselves up to date. They don't dispense bullsh-t or magical shortcuts, just hard work in the form of good exercise prescriptions. And if you are a beginner or new to methodical training and want to work with a personal trainer, you need to find one. And do what he or she says.
And how do you know that they know what they are doing? You ask about their training and certifications. You ask about their nutrition and training philosophy. You ask them how they work with injuries, what science their programs are based upon, whether they specialize in certain kinds of sports, and if you can talk with one or two of their most successful clients.
And then you turn on the bullsh-t detector and check every single thing they say to you. If it sounds too good to be true, it is. Always. Lose four pounds a week? BS. 1500 cal workouts without sweat? BS. Ten pounds of new muscle in a month? BS. Living on 1300 cal/day and gaining muscle? BS, unless you are a hobbit.
Why should you do this? Because a bad trainer will waste a lot of your time and money (best case) or injure you badly enough to disable you (worst case). And because, for every good trainer out there are two or three or more bad trainers (most of whom don't seem to know they are bad) waiting for you and you, as a beginner, can't tell the difference.
/end rant
I have a trainer currently and i sometimes have to weed out the good science mixed in with his bro science.
He keeps telling me that bad carbs are going to make me gain fat, too much bloating makes me gain fat, and that i should be losing more than 2lbs a week. :huh:
Today he complimented me by saying my arms "looked more toned".. I just shivered in anguish.0 -
ugh. that sucks.0
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My wife recently consulted a personal trainer who told her carbs were making her fat and that no amount of exercise would help her to lose weight if she kept having them.
We haven't been back to him since.0 -
As a certified PT since 1998, I whole heartedly agree with this. There are even "old school" trainers who still adhere to the broscience still being passed around the fitness industry today.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Wait, you're a certified PT??
first i've heard about it0 -
Living on 1300 cal/day and gaining muscle? BS, unless you are a hobbit......
I don't know... They walk EVERYWHERE, farm all their own food, and sometimes go on these crazy multi mile a day, multi month adventures... I'd imagine they'd need more thatn 1300 cals a day in order to maintain.
Plus, have you SEEN how much they eat to maintain their current body shape? There's no WAY they could build muscle on 1300 cals.
Just sayiin0 -
/begin rant
I was in a small gym today and overheard a "personal trainer" telling a client that he should be eating no more than 1500 cal a day, 250 cal at a time, to "maintain his weight" while working out six days a week for forty-five minutes. This guidance was given in the middle of a "circuit workout" that the trainer claimed was generating a 1000 cal/hour burn even though the client maintained a non-stop conversation while exercising. The client was 5'8" and, as far as I could tell, of average weight and fitness. He was, based on his workout, probably new to training.
I think it is a safe bet that this beginner was getting bad nutrition advice in the midst of a badly designed exercise program that won't accomplish anything unless his goal is hanging out in a gym for six hours a week. And paying for it. Given the gym, probably paying a lot for it. And I would go double or nothing on the bet that the "personal trainer" actually has little training in nutrition, exercise physiology, and from the instructions he was dispensing, designing or guiding an exercise program.
Why am I writing this? Because there are a lot of good personal trainers out there. They get good training. They keep themselves up to date. They don't dispense bullsh-t or magical shortcuts, just hard work in the form of good exercise prescriptions. And if you are a beginner or new to methodical training and want to work with a personal trainer, you need to find one. And do what he or she says.
And how do you know that they know what they are doing? You ask about their training and certifications. You ask about their nutrition and training philosophy. You ask them how they work with injuries, what science their programs are based upon, whether they specialize in certain kinds of sports, and if you can talk with one or two of their most successful clients.
And then you turn on the bullsh-t detector and check every single thing they say to you. If it sounds too good to be true, it is. Always. Lose four pounds a week? BS. 1500 cal workouts without sweat? BS. Ten pounds of new muscle in a month? BS. Living on 1300 cal/day and gaining muscle? BS, unless you are a hobbit.
Why should you do this? Because a bad trainer will waste a lot of your time and money (best case) or injure you badly enough to disable you (worst case). And because, for every good trainer out there are two or three or more bad trainers (most of whom don't seem to know they are bad) waiting for you and you, as a beginner, can't tell the difference.
/end rant
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Living on 1300 cal/day and gaining muscle? BS, unless you are a hobbit......
I don't know... They walk EVERYWHERE, farm all their own food, and sometimes go on these crazy multi mile a day, multi month adventures... I'd imagine they'd need more thatn 1300 cals a day in order to maintain.
Plus, have you SEEN how much they eat to maintain their current body shape? There's no WAY they could build muscle on 1300 cals.
Just sayiin
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You should add me. I knows my stuff.As a certified PT since 1998, I whole heartedly agree with this. There are even "old school" trainers who still adhere to the broscience still being passed around the fitness industry today.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Wait, you're a certified PT??
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/310543-the-no-bs-exercise-instruction-thread?hl=the+no+bs+exercise
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/350212--why-scales-lie?hl=why+scales+lie
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition0 -
Living on 1300 cal/day and gaining muscle? BS, unless you are a hobbit......
I don't know... They walk EVERYWHERE, farm all their own food, and sometimes go on these crazy multi mile a day, multi month adventures... I'd imagine they'd need more thatn 1300 cals a day in order to maintain.
Plus, have you SEEN how much they eat to maintain their current body shape? There's no WAY they could build muscle on 1300 cals.
Just sayiin
Bahahaha this just made my day! Thank you!0 -
You should add me. I knows my stuff.As a certified PT since 1998, I whole heartedly agree with this. There are even "old school" trainers who still adhere to the broscience still being passed around the fitness industry today.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Wait, you're a certified PT??
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I dunno... it doesn't say anything about stuff knowing in your signature.0 -
IDK so far I'm just deciding to start eating more carbs just so I can start cutting my boxtops. That way next time I get invited to Curves as someone's guest "plus one" and end up being told by anyone that I should be a personal trainer "We're HIRING" because the way I talk/help is "so motivating" I might feel a little more qualified and might actually go for it. Shoot, a little extra money never hurt anyone and the personal trainer... who measured me, I think I could do that. Except the calipers, I'd need extensive training on those. Calipers are hard.0
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You should add me. I knows my stuff.As a certified PT since 1998, I whole heartedly agree with this. There are even "old school" trainers who still adhere to the broscience still being passed around the fitness industry today.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Wait, you're a certified PT??
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/310543-the-no-bs-exercise-instruction-thread?hl=the+no+bs+exercise
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/350212--why-scales-lie?hl=why+scales+lie
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Oh, now I see it says that in your signature. Sorry it was a little TL: DR0 -
/begin rant
I was in a small gym today and overheard a "personal trainer" telling a client that he should be eating no more than 1500 cal a day, 250 cal at a time, to "maintain his weight" while working out six days a week for forty-five minutes. This guidance was given in the middle of a "circuit workout" that the trainer claimed was generating a 1000 cal/hour burn even though the client maintained a non-stop conversation while exercising. The client was 5'8" and, as far as I could tell, of average weight and fitness. He was, based on his workout, probably new to training.
I think it is a safe bet that this beginner was getting bad nutrition advice in the midst of a badly designed exercise program that won't accomplish anything unless his goal is hanging out in a gym for six hours a week. And paying for it. Given the gym, probably paying a lot for it. And I would go double or nothing on the bet that the "personal trainer" actually has little training in nutrition, exercise physiology, and from the instructions he was dispensing, designing or guiding an exercise program.
Why am I writing this? Because there are a lot of good personal trainers out there. They get good training. They keep themselves up to date. They don't dispense bullsh-t or magical shortcuts, just hard work in the form of good exercise prescriptions. And if you are a beginner or new to methodical training and want to work with a personal trainer, you need to find one. And do what he or she says.
And how do you know that they know what they are doing? You ask about their training and certifications. You ask about their nutrition and training philosophy. You ask them how they work with injuries, what science their programs are based upon, whether they specialize in certain kinds of sports, and if you can talk with one or two of their most successful clients.
And then you turn on the bullsh-t detector and check every single thing they say to you. If it sounds too good to be true, it is. Always. Lose four pounds a week? BS. 1500 cal workouts without sweat? BS. Ten pounds of new muscle in a month? BS. Living on 1300 cal/day and gaining muscle? BS, unless you are a hobbit.
Why should you do this? Because a bad trainer will waste a lot of your time and money (best case) or injure you badly enough to disable you (worst case). And because, for every good trainer out there are two or three or more bad trainers (most of whom don't seem to know they are bad) waiting for you and you, as a beginner, can't tell the difference.
/end rant
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Living on 1300 cal/day and gaining muscle? BS, unless you are a hobbit......
I don't know... They walk EVERYWHERE, farm all their own food, and sometimes go on these crazy multi mile a day, multi month adventures... I'd imagine they'd need more thatn 1300 cals a day in order to maintain.
Plus, have you SEEN how much they eat to maintain their current body shape? There's no WAY they could build muscle on 1300 cals.
Just sayiin
Exactly. How do they work in third breakfast and second lunch if they're stuck eating 1300 calories a day?0 -
The client in the OP will see results. The scale might actually go up, but regardless their fat will transmogrify into muscle.0
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i have a great trainer... she brings me down to reality as far as goal setting and pushes me to do better. i can count on her for motivation!0
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Living on 1300 cal/day and gaining muscle? BS, unless you are a hobbit......
I don't know... They walk EVERYWHERE, farm all their own food, and sometimes go on these crazy multi mile a day, multi month adventures... I'd imagine they'd need more thatn 1300 cals a day in order to maintain.
Plus, have you SEEN how much they eat to maintain their current body shape? There's no WAY they could build muscle on 1300 cals.
Just sayiin
Exactly. How do they work in third breakfast and second lunch if they're stuck eating 1300 calories a day?
Portion control.0 -
Living on 1300 cal/day and gaining muscle? BS, unless you are a hobbit......
I don't know... They walk EVERYWHERE, farm all their own food, and sometimes go on these crazy multi mile a day, multi month adventures... I'd imagine they'd need more thatn 1300 cals a day in order to maintain.
Plus, have you SEEN how much they eat to maintain their current body shape? There's no WAY they could build muscle on 1300 cals.
Just sayiin
Exactly. How do they work in third breakfast and second lunch if they're stuck eating 1300 calories a day?
Portion control.
maybe they IF and just fit it all into one tiny window and label it different things?0 -
Living on 1300 cal/day and gaining muscle? BS, unless you are a hobbit......
I don't know... They walk EVERYWHERE, farm all their own food, and sometimes go on these crazy multi mile a day, multi month adventures... I'd imagine they'd need more thatn 1300 cals a day in order to maintain.
Plus, have you SEEN how much they eat to maintain their current body shape? There's no WAY they could build muscle on 1300 cals.
Just sayiin
Exactly. How do they work in third breakfast and second lunch if they're stuck eating 1300 calories a day?
Portion control.
^this...I ration my carb portions for wine.
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Living on 1300 cal/day and gaining muscle? BS, unless you are a hobbit......
I don't know... They walk EVERYWHERE, farm all their own food, and sometimes go on these crazy multi mile a day, multi month adventures... I'd imagine they'd need more thatn 1300 cals a day in order to maintain.
Plus, have you SEEN how much they eat to maintain their current body shape? There's no WAY they could build muscle on 1300 cals.
Just sayiin
Exactly. How do they work in third breakfast and second lunch if they're stuck eating 1300 calories a day?
Portion control.
maybe they IF and just fit it all into one tiny window and label it different things?
they certainly IF while on long treks... which is surprising because they MUST be at a significant deficit and yet they don't seem to change in terms of size much. But when at home, they refer to a multitude of meals (breakfast, second breakfast, elevensies)...
And their larter is not calorie reduced items - replete with carbs and fats. And ale lots of ale.
I think I want to be a hobbit.
If only I didn't hate the idea of having hairy feet.0 -
Most people who hire a trainer are going to be absolute newbies. As such, they likely do not realize that some trainers suck. When they are told the same BS "information" that they hear on daytime TV and from fad diet pushers. They assume it is correct because it sounds right to them and they typically have not taken the time to do any real research.0
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Most people who hire a trainer are going to be absolute newbies. As such, they likely do not realize that some trainers suck. When they are told the same BS "information" that they hear on daytime TV and from fad diet pushers. They assume it is correct because it sounds right to them and they typically have not taken the time to do any real research.
I think they don't take the time b/c they think they already know enough from such sources.0
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