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  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
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    No eating after 8p.m.

    Calories can't tell time.

    It isn't about telling time... it is about how your body processes those calories in your sleep.. The 8pm thing is just a rule of thumb based on when MOST people go to bed. Obviously if you work a swing or night shift, or just stay up until 1 am and wake up at 9 or 10, that rule doesn't apply to you...

    Tell me more about the difference in my metabolism when I am sleeping.
  • bcoop911
    bcoop911 Posts: 1,390 Member
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    I only made it through page 2 of this... can't go any further... half of the things people are complaining about are not even myths they are realities people WISH were myths... but the other half that are myths, I completely agree with haha
  • bcoop911
    bcoop911 Posts: 1,390 Member
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    Tell me more about the difference in my metabolism when I am sleeping.

    Oh, you are one of THOSE people....
  • maz504
    maz504 Posts: 450
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    1. Starvation mode
    2. Demonizing ANY food
    3. Kale. Can we just wipe out the world's supply of kale? Blergh.
  • neandermagnon
    neandermagnon Posts: 7,436 Member
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    mostly true...... but agriculture lead to people becoming smaller framed, not larger framed. (if by frame size you mean postcranial robusticity, which is the nearest scientific equivalent: large framed = robust postcranial skeleton; small framed = gracile postcranial skeleton)

    Palaeolithic Homo sapiens sapiens (aka. cro magnon man) was large framed and robust by today's standards. And cro magnons were small framed compared to neanderthals. Modern people are, on average, smaller framed than palaeolithic Homo sapiens sapiens, because agriculture, and to some extent upper palaeolithic hunting methods, meant people didn't rely on brute strength so much. Neanderthals hunted huge mammals like bison, woolly rhino and mammoths with only thrusting spears. That said, their frame size still overlaps with the high end of modern human frame size - modern humans have much more variation in that, as in small framed neanderthals didn't survive ice age winters (large framed people withstand the cold better) and didn't have the strength to hunt that way... but in modern people frame size no longer determines whether or not you survive... in post-agricultural populations large framed people would have made better warriors but small framed people survived too and probably specialised in other things (e.g. crafts/trades) and the higher level of technology meant people withstood cold weather and didn't need brute force to get food. And because average is the middle value, there are people today whose frame size is way smaller than palaeolithic Homo sapiens sapiens, and the average is smaller than the average for cro-magnons. And as Homo sapiens sapiens is the smallest framed of all species of human, it's clear that frame size has become significantly smaller since agriculture was invented. (albeit with a lot more variation)

    the new evidence from neanderthal poop is interesting - but I don't know why people are saying this is the first evidence for plant eating in neanderthals (as some are, I know you didn't say that - I read it somewhere else) - previous evidence from their teeth also showed they ate plants as well as animals, and i've even seen a scientific paper discussing the consumption of root storage organs by neanderthals (i.e. roots tubers, like the European/Asian pleistocene equivalent of potatoes and carrots (but not actual potatoes (they're from the new world), although it could have included the ancestors of carrots)) - sources of carbohydrate would have been scarce in winter in the climate and area they lived in; these kinds of root storage veggies would have been a valued source of carbohydrate, and obtainable with middle palaeolithic technology (e.g. by using a digging stick of some sort). Also I think the amount of vegetables consumed by neanderthals would vary with geographic, seasonal and climatic conditions. I haven't seen the poop paper yet but I think it would be significant whether it dates to a glacial or interglacial period. Vegetable foods would have been a lot more available in interglacial periods.

    sorry for the ramble... I'm a science nerd and this is my favourite topic in the whole of science (i.e. neanderthals/middle palaeolithic era, not poop lol)


    :flowerforyou:

    I don't have time to respond to this, but I will say that you are 100% correct and thank you for taking the moment to type all that out. The period I was more referencing was the expansion of homo-erectus into other climates, at which point we were smaller for the most part, depending on climate and local circumstances. Of course, my knowledge on the matter could very well be dated and wrong and if it is I will find out tonight when I look it up! :D

    Homo erectus didn't cultivate grains though... your post seemed to be saying that cultivation of grains led to an increase in robusticity. (apologies if I misunderstood) Grains were not cultivated until around 10,000 years ago - the absolute latest date for H. erectus I think is more like 100,000 years ago.... I can't remember the exact date but all other human species besides H. sapiens sapiens were already extinct before any grain cultivation started.

    Going through the lower and middle palaeolithic era, human frame size/robusticity was increasing steadily along with brain size, but the likely evolutionary driving force for this would have been hunting bigger and bigger animals. In particular, the increase in skull thickness was probably due to the increasing risk of head injury from hunting. Larger brain size = greater ability to co-operate and use strategy for hunting and developing better weapons (better hunting weapons and more sophisticated stone tools appear in the fossil record alongside this). Only in the upper palaeolithic with Homo sapiens did frame sizes start to get smaller - this is likely due to the use of projectile weapons, which require less brute strength and more skill and accuracy, and also greatly reduce the risk of injury to the hunter. This is likely what gave cro-magnons their advantage over the neanderthals. Neanderthals never adopted projectile weapons technology (although the very latest of them did start eating fish, which probably was learned from Homo sapiens, as Homo sapiens were known to have eaten a lot of fish long before they got anywhere near Europe)........ anyway, it is correct that frame sizes got bigger throughout human evolution, but then Homo sapiens went against that trend. And since the start of agriculture, Homo sapiens frame sizes became even smaller (on average... although like I said there's lots of variation and also quite a lot of archaic genes knocking around the gene pool, e.g. neanderthal, denisovan, and probably more yet to be discovered)

    It's a really interesting question from an evolutionary perspective. I really think that projectile weapons hunting was a major advantage that our species had over other human species. And if you compare Homo sapiens anatomy to neanderthal anatomy, Homo sapiens seems to have been built for overarm throwing and running, while neanderthals were built for brute strength, in particular with a really strong grip and strong legs. In fact if you were to redesign human anatomy for optimal deadlifting, what you'd get is something pretty close to neanderthal anatomy. Homo sapiens on the other hand had favourable limb proportions for running and a greater range of motion in the shoulders, and narrower hips and proportionally wider shoulders, i.e. built for running and throwing spears.

    Anyway, I'm quite happy to type plenty on this subject lol... it's my favourite topic in science and I can type at 90 words per minute.

    erectus *giggle*

    Don't blame me, blame Eugene Dubois.....:bigsmile:
  • AlistairBernardNormal
    AlistairBernardNormal Posts: 989 Member
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    Oh man, I thought this was an Avett Brothers thread:grumble:

    :heart: :drinker:
  • johnnyhuff790
    johnnyhuff790 Posts: 16
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    Great thread...
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
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    1. Starvation mode
    2. Demonizing ANY food
    3. Kale. Can we just wipe out the world's supply of kale? Blergh.

    I'll take your allotment.
  • likitisplit
    likitisplit Posts: 9,420 Member
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    Tell me more about the difference in my metabolism when I am sleeping.

    Oh, you are one of THOSE people....

    Right. Great support for your argument. Well Done!
  • thatjosiegirl
    thatjosiegirl Posts: 362 Member
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    Paleo Diet
  • maz504
    maz504 Posts: 450
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    1. Starvation mode
    2. Demonizing ANY food
    3. Kale. Can we just wipe out the world's supply of kale? Blergh.

    I'll take your allotment.
    It's yours babe! Don't say I never did nothin' for ya ;):flowerforyou:
  • bcoop911
    bcoop911 Posts: 1,390 Member
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    Right. Great support for your argument. Well Done!

    I didn't know we were arguing...
  • paperpudding
    paperpudding Posts: 9,014 Member
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    I only made it through page 2 of this... can't go any further... half of the things people are complaining about are not even myths they are realities people WISH were myths... but the other half that are myths, I completely agree with haha

    Which ones are realities then?
  • bcoop911
    bcoop911 Posts: 1,390 Member
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    Oh, you are one of THOSE people....

    Right. Great support for your argument. Well Done!

    I ALSO don't recall you supporting your "argument" either... just posted a B*****Y comment... but I must not realize your science background and all the studies you have done... should be a given.
  • neandermagnon
    neandermagnon Posts: 7,436 Member
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    I only made it through page 2 of this... can't go any further... half of the things people are complaining about are not even myths they are realities people WISH were myths... but the other half that are myths, I completely agree with haha

    Which ones are realities then?

    ^^^^ this
  • neandermagnon
    neandermagnon Posts: 7,436 Member
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    Oh, you are one of THOSE people....

    Right. Great support for your argument. Well Done!

    I ALSO don't recall you supporting your "argument" either... just posted a B*****Y comment... but I must not realize your science background and all the studies you have done... should be a given.

    wait... you replied to someone with "Oh, you are one of THOSE people" and you're lecturing others about how they respond to posts?
  • TeachTheGirl
    TeachTheGirl Posts: 2,091 Member
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    The myth of myths.

    Sometimes I feel like the only reason half of these things still perpetuate is because of the people saying how wrong they are. For example, the 'weight-lifting will make you bulky if you're a woman' myth has been dispelled, but people still like to harp on about how wrong it is, and thus it keeps going.
  • bcoop911
    bcoop911 Posts: 1,390 Member
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    wait... you replied to someone with "Oh, you are one of THOSE people" and you're lecturing others about how they respond to posts?

    Negative on that one... I responded "Oh, you are one of THOSE people" to the b****y comment... get some situational awareness. There was no lecturing. But read it as you wish...
  • Flab2fitfi
    Flab2fitfi Posts: 1,349 Member
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    Going Gluten free will make my weight drop off.

    Wish that was true as a coeliac and started ogg 100lbs overweight - been gluten free for over 20 years.
  • Lofteren
    Lofteren Posts: 960 Member
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    "Big lifters are all dumb"

    The truth is, big lifters have elicited more adaptation through their training stimulus than all the little people who look down their noses at us. I don't squat so much weight because I'm dumb, I squat so much because I'm training SMARTER than everyone else.

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