8 Drinks! Are You Kidding Me???
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I love these ABSURD armchair therapists.I drink maybe 3-4 drinks a year when I go to my brother's. Lately though I'd been thinking it would be kind of nice to relax with a drink after work every day...
If you think about drinking more than 3-4 times a week, you have a serious addiction, regardless of whether on not you actually drink.0 -
So. Much. Awesome.0
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perhaps you should workon reading MORE of the conversation before just jumping in- at least a page or two back to catch yourself up.
and no- her comments are STILL spot on.
as far as the MsFitzKitty's and you're +1.. it was definitely a TL;DR post.
wall-o-text..
cutting and pasting large blocks of posts off other sites doesn't make your point more credible or valid. It just makes you difficult to want to listen to.
Well your and my definition about a good post obviously differ.
I too think she is pretty capable of making her point for herself which she did, I still disagree, i have to deal with this.
You agree with her, well, you have to deal with this. :bigsmile:0 -
I love these ABSURD armchair therapists.I drink maybe 3-4 drinks a year when I go to my brother's. Lately though I'd been thinking it would be kind of nice to relax with a drink after work every day...
If you think about drinking more than 3-4 times a week, you have a serious addiction, regardless of whether on not you actually drink.
What if I'm thinking about how good this Rioja is that I'm drinking? I'm so addicted to good wine!0 -
I did wine tours in Rioja once. Lord have mercy.
I love these ABSURD armchair therapists.I drink maybe 3-4 drinks a year when I go to my brother's. Lately though I'd been thinking it would be kind of nice to relax with a drink after work every day...
If you think about drinking more than 3-4 times a week, you have a serious addiction, regardless of whether on not you actually drink.
What if I'm thinking about how good this Rioja is that I'm drinking? I'm so addicted to good wine!0 -
I did wine tours in Rioja once. Lord have mercy.
I love these ABSURD armchair therapists.I drink maybe 3-4 drinks a year when I go to my brother's. Lately though I'd been thinking it would be kind of nice to relax with a drink after work every day...
If you think about drinking more than 3-4 times a week, you have a serious addiction, regardless of whether on not you actually drink.
What if I'm thinking about how good this Rioja is that I'm drinking? I'm so addicted to good wine!
I'm seriously jealous0 -
haha....this study was obviously not done in WIsconsin. Heck, here we like our beer and let me tell you, it is nothing for the "average" woman or man, on a weekend night out, to have 10 or more beers. And then turn around and maybe do it again the next night! Now this is not everyone, and these same people are responsible adults who hold good jobs and pay for everything they have, go to work etc. My goodness, 8 a week, heavy? I guess it depends on where you come from... In Wisconsin that isn't that much.
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Nah. Not heavy at all. Forget about it.0
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perhaps you should workon reading MORE of the conversation before just jumping in- at least a page or two back to catch yourself up.
and no- her comments are STILL spot on.
as far as the MsFitzKitty's and you're +1.. it was definitely a TL;DR post.
wall-o-text..
cutting and pasting large blocks of posts off other sites doesn't make your point more credible or valid. It just makes you difficult to want to listen to.
Well your and my definition about a good post obviously differ.
I too think she is pretty capable of making her point for herself which she did, I still disagree, i have to deal with this.
You agree with her, well, you have to deal with this. :bigsmile:
I still don't understand what you're disagreeing with! Definitions of heavy drinking, alcoholism, or the fact that SOME people can be drinkers (heavy) and lead healthy, long productive lives without harming themselves or people around them?
I'm looking forward to continuing the debate with you. I can see you have a strong opinion, and perhaps can try and articulate your thoughts without getting angry. If I can do it you can too!0 -
I still don't understand what you're disagreeing with! Definitions of heavy drinking, alcoholism, or the fact that SOME people can be drinkers (heavy) and lead healthy, long productive lives without harming themselves or people around them?
I'm looking forward to continuing the debate with you. I can see you have a strong opinion, and perhaps can try and articulate your thoughts without getting angry. If I can do it you can too!
I am not angry. Not at all.
I am astonished by your opinion about alcohol.
Please correct me, if I got your comment wrong, but seem you have a very relaxed view about it, drink more than enough and like it.
Exspecially with your history in mind, this makes it even worse.
Honestly for me, if someone needs 8 drinks every single day, is a borderline alcoholic.
I don't drink, I see no reason to do so, and I have no sympathy for anyone who is incapable of keeping his/her alcohol intake to a riskfree (for others) limit.
There are simple too many victims of alcohol abuse (and I am talking purely about the innocent ones) to take alcohol so relaxed.
I hope this clarifys my point for you.0 -
Personally,I would call eight drinks a week drinking heavily. However,I do not drink so I think it may all have to do with your perception.0
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Most weeks I drink nothing... However if I am on a night out I drink everything! In the UK they call it binge drinking if you have more than 3 in one evening! Well thats me... a social binge drinker... do I care? No... Why not?! Because I can go weeks with drinking nothing... and to be honest while logging cals I'm seriously looking at what I prefer more booze or food!
Went to a hen a week ago and drank a lot on the saturday, haven't had a drink since... (was slightly upset that I doubled my calorie goal with cocktails and wine).
Drink sensibly...0 -
I still don't understand what you're disagreeing with! Definitions of heavy drinking, alcoholism, or the fact that SOME people can be drinkers (heavy) and lead healthy, long productive lives without harming themselves or people around them?
I'm looking forward to continuing the debate with you. I can see you have a strong opinion, and perhaps can try and articulate your thoughts without getting angry. If I can do it you can too!
I am not angry. Not at all.
I am astonished by your opinion about alcohol.
Please correct me, if I got your comment wrong, but seem you have a very relaxed view about it, drink more than enough and like it.
Exspecially with your history in mind, this makes it even worse.
Honestly for me, if someone needs 8 drinks every single day, is a borderline alcoholic.
I don't drink, I see no reason to do so, and I have no sympathy for anyone who is incapable of keeping his/her alcohol intake to a riskfree (for others) limit.
There are simple too many victims of alcohol abuse (and I am talking purely about the innocent ones) to take alcohol so relaxed.
I hope this clarifys my point for you.
Yes, I do have an interesting opinion of alcohol considering my past, but I still respect government guidelines to a tee.
When you eventually go back and read the thread properly and gain some context, you'll see that I drink 2/3 glasses 2/4 times a month, this is based on the doctors guidelines. I enjoy getting buzzed, but feel confident that my attitude to alcohol is healthy.
My point is, I'm not going to let my parents irresponsibility affect my life. I've had to do this in every area, build myself up and make myself, as I had no adults around me growing up. Part of this was deprogramming myself from AA, and learning about moderation. I've had to learn how to eat normally too, hence being here on MFP.
I think extremes of any kind are unhealthy. You seem to have a very judgemental view on alcohol.
I don't know where you got 8 drinks a day from, that hasn't been mentioned. 8 a week seems ok. I wouldn't do it because I need to recover fast for triathlon training.
There's a big difference between responsible, mature social drinking and harmful drinking.
Too many people are brainwashed by the media, people making money from schemes and books and government about how evil alcohol, carbs, etc etc are.
I refuse to live my life in fear, like a sheep. You haven't read properly, and you are very closed minded. You could learn a lot here, but you need to jump to conclusions less.0 -
I advise on life Insurance in the UK, actuaries and underwriters are interested in what affects mortality/morbity and will charge accordingly, higher risk - higher premium.
Nearly all insurance companies are't bothered about alcohol consumed until it goes over 18 units for women or 24 units for men per week.
That says to me, unless you have personally been advised by a medical professional to reduce your alcohol intake to below these levels, then they have no issue with the amount you consume within these limits.
Everybodies opinion about what constitutes 'heavy drinking' is different, and it always will be.0 -
Yes, I do have an interesting opinion of alcohol considering my past, but I still respect government guidelines to a tee.
When you eventually go back and read the thread properly and gain some context, you'll see that I drink 2/3 glasses 2/4 times a month, this is based on the doctors guidelines. I enjoy getting buzzed, but feel confident that my attitude to alcohol is healthy.
My point is, I'm not going to let my parents irresponsibility affect my life. I've had to do this in every area, build myself up and make myself, as I had no adults around me growing up. Part of this was deprogramming myself from AA, and learning about moderation. I've had to learn how to eat normally too, hence being here on MFP.
I think extremes of any kind are unhealthy. You seem to have a very judgemental view on alcohol.
I don't know where you got 8 drinks a day from, that hasn't been mentioned. 8 a week seems ok. I wouldn't do it because I need to recover fast for triathlon training.
There's a big difference between responsible, mature social drinking and harmful drinking.
Too many people are brainwashed by the media, people making money from schemes and books and government about how evil alcohol, carbs, etc etc are.
I refuse to live my life in fear, like a sheep. You haven't read properly, and you are very closed minded. You could learn a lot here, but you need to jump to conclusions less.
Actually I have no "judgemental" and "closed minded" view about alcohol.
I have a judgemental and closed minded view about people with alcohol abuse issues. And I am very happy with it.
Because I have my reasons.
If you invite someone for a discussion in future, mind your words. I will leave it to this.
P.S.: I meant 8 units a week, not a day. Tipo. Mea culpa.0 -
Honestly for me, if someone needs 8 drinks every single day, is a borderline alcoholic.
I don't drink, I see no reason to do so, and I have no sympathy for anyone who is incapable of keeping his/her alcohol intake to a riskfree (for others) limit.
There are simple too many victims of alcohol abuse (and I am talking purely about the innocent ones) to take alcohol so relaxed.
You clarified you meant week in another post - why do you feel comfortable labelling anyone who drinks 8 drinks a week a "borderline alcoholic"?
Do you have some sort of training in substance abuse?
How would 8 drinks a week put others at risk?0 -
Honestly for me, if someone needs 8 drinks every single day, is a borderline alcoholic.
I don't drink, I see no reason to do so, and I have no sympathy for anyone who is incapable of keeping his/her alcohol intake to a riskfree (for others) limit.
There are simple too many victims of alcohol abuse (and I am talking purely about the innocent ones) to take alcohol so relaxed.
You clarified you meant week in another post - why do you feel comfortable labelling anyone who drinks 8 drinks a week a "borderline alcoholic"?
Do you have some sort of training in substance abuse?
How would 8 drinks a week put others at risk?
LOL at 8 drinks a week being borderline alcoholic. Clearly, this poster knows nothing about substance abuse. Only what she perceives to be substance abuse based on her own bias, since she clearly doesn't drink.
And I have no clue how drinking 8 drinks a week puts anyone at risk. What does that even mean?0 -
Yes, I do have an interesting opinion of alcohol considering my past, but I still respect government guidelines to a tee.
When you eventually go back and read the thread properly and gain some context, you'll see that I drink 2/3 glasses 2/4 times a month, this is based on the doctors guidelines. I enjoy getting buzzed, but feel confident that my attitude to alcohol is healthy.
My point is, I'm not going to let my parents irresponsibility affect my life. I've had to do this in every area, build myself up and make myself, as I had no adults around me growing up. Part of this was deprogramming myself from AA, and learning about moderation. I've had to learn how to eat normally too, hence being here on MFP.
I think extremes of any kind are unhealthy. You seem to have a very judgemental view on alcohol.
I don't know where you got 8 drinks a day from, that hasn't been mentioned. 8 a week seems ok. I wouldn't do it because I need to recover fast for triathlon training.
There's a big difference between responsible, mature social drinking and harmful drinking.
Too many people are brainwashed by the media, people making money from schemes and books and government about how evil alcohol, carbs, etc etc are.
I refuse to live my life in fear, like a sheep. You haven't read properly, and you are very closed minded. You could learn a lot here, but you need to jump to conclusions less.
Actually I have no "judgemental" and "closed minded" view about alcohol.
I have a judgemental and closed minded view about people with alcohol abuse issues. And I am very happy with it.
Because I have my reasons.
If you invite someone for a discussion in future, mind your words. I will leave it to this.
P.S.: I meant 8 units a week, not a day. Tipo. Mea culpa.
Mind your words? I didn't see anything in the quoted post that was rude. Certainly not as rude as diagnosing a huge portion of the population with alcoholism.0 -
I still don't understand what you're disagreeing with! Definitions of heavy drinking, alcoholism, or the fact that SOME people can be drinkers (heavy) and lead healthy, long productive lives without harming themselves or people around them?
I'm looking forward to continuing the debate with you. I can see you have a strong opinion, and perhaps can try and articulate your thoughts without getting angry. If I can do it you can too!
I am not angry. Not at all.
I am astonished by your opinion about alcohol.
Please correct me, if I got your comment wrong, but seem you have a very relaxed view about it, drink more than enough and like it.
Exspecially with your history in mind, this makes it even worse.
Honestly for me, if someone needs 8 drinks every single day, is a borderline alcoholic.
I don't drink, I see no reason to do so, and I have no sympathy for anyone who is incapable of keeping his/her alcohol intake to a riskfree (for others) limit.
There are simple too many victims of alcohol abuse (and I am talking purely about the innocent ones) to take alcohol so relaxed.
I hope this clarifys my point for you.
The only way someone is an alcoholic if they drink 8 drinks a week is if they are tiny and their metabolism has shifted to run off the booze.
Period.
This really isn't debatable.
Alcoholics have a metabolic shift. It happens on a cellular level.
Someone having a drinking problem does not an alcoholic make. Period.
My bestie was an alcoholic- straight up- couldn't make it through the week without the shakes- but due to our circumstances she could only drink a handful of times through the week.
My most recent roommate- drank incessantly- never saw him NOT drinking- but he was perfectly functional and if he didn't drink so be it- and he drank ALL.THE.TIME. No idea how he wasn't an actual alcoholic- but I do not think his metabolism had shifted-
Extremely heavy drinker? yep.
Did he have problems? you betcha
Did he get bit in the *kitten* for it? sure did- DUI at some point while I was living with him- totally inappropriate what he thought was acceptable to be driving at (which was hammered). So unsafe.
Technically- NOT an alcoholic. Alcohol abuser? Self medicating? yep- heavy drinker? yep-still not an alcoholic.0 -
Yes, I do have an interesting opinion of alcohol considering my past, but I still respect government guidelines to a tee.
When you eventually go back and read the thread properly and gain some context, you'll see that I drink 2/3 glasses 2/4 times a month, this is based on the doctors guidelines. I enjoy getting buzzed, but feel confident that my attitude to alcohol is healthy.
My point is, I'm not going to let my parents irresponsibility affect my life. I've had to do this in every area, build myself up and make myself, as I had no adults around me growing up. Part of this was deprogramming myself from AA, and learning about moderation. I've had to learn how to eat normally too, hence being here on MFP.
I think extremes of any kind are unhealthy. You seem to have a very judgemental view on alcohol.
I don't know where you got 8 drinks a day from, that hasn't been mentioned. 8 a week seems ok. I wouldn't do it because I need to recover fast for triathlon training.
There's a big difference between responsible, mature social drinking and harmful drinking.
Too many people are brainwashed by the media, people making money from schemes and books and government about how evil alcohol, carbs, etc etc are.
I refuse to live my life in fear, like a sheep. You haven't read properly, and you are very closed minded. You could learn a lot here, but you need to jump to conclusions less.
Actually I have no "judgemental" and "closed minded" view about alcohol.
I have a judgemental and closed minded view about people with alcohol abuse issues. And I am very happy with it.
Because I have my reasons.
If you invite someone for a discussion in future, mind your words. I will leave it to this.
P.S.: I meant 8 units a week, not a day. Tipo. Mea culpa.
Seems to me that your definition of alcohol 'abuse' and everyone else's version (including government and medical guidelines) are different things.
Seeing as alcohol is a cunning thing, can bring out the worst in people,with many victims, I can see how you form your opinion.
I drink moderately, which you disagree with, but maybe the world is wrong and you are right and we should all be teetotal.
But think about this, it's the person underneath, not the alcohol, that causes the harm.
There's a well known saying in AA. It goes something like this..'Take the alcohol away from the alcoholic, and then you have to deal with the reason why they started drinking in the first place'. There are many personality disorders behind the alcohol abuser.
I know plenty of decent people that moderately to heavy drink.
Mind my words? Odd. So it's ok for you to be sarcastic and use patronising emoticons (which I didn't get butthurt about, though I should of done, seeing as you'd pretty much massively put your foot in it lol!)? Where where my words needing to be minded? Accusing you of being close minded about alcohol? Not reading properly? Ummmmm....0 -
Then you should visit my world in London and south of France! People spend their lives dabbling in and out of heavy drinking and function fine and live long lives. My grandparents lived til their late 80s, drank every day from midday and were fine upstanding citizens. There's so much fear around alcohol, rightly, but it's just human nature to enjoy it, it doesn't always mean there's a problem. When you meet a real alcoholic you can see/smell/sense a big difference.
Fascinating :huh:
May you please volunteer one single Saturday evening in any regular hospital in the emergency room.
Or may I personally introduce you to two people, one brain damaged and another one dead. Both victims independently to the so called "enjoyment" of somebody else to alcohol.
And may we please discuss this "there is so much fear around alcohol" statement again afterwards.
And what is by your definition a "real" alcoholic? How many do you know?
And to newcomers! Here is the post which apparently has no anger behind it.
Possibly the worst faux pas yet to be seen on MFP considering I'd just stated that both my parents were alcoholics and one had died from it. Actually, maybe they are the two people that I'm going to get 'personally introduced to'. How lovely.
Im still not butthurt though. I'm chuckling at the hilarity of it.0 -
The irony was pretty strong.
you done good girl. Proud of you 0 -
I advise on life Insurance in the UK, actuaries and underwriters are interested in what affects mortality/morbity and will charge accordingly, higher risk - higher premium.
Nearly all insurance companies are't bothered about alcohol consumed until it goes over 18 units for women or 24 units for men per week.
That says to me, unless you have personally been advised by a medical professional to reduce your alcohol intake to below these levels, then they have no issue with the amount you consume within these limits.
Everybodies opinion about what constitutes 'heavy drinking' is different, and it always will be.
This is an interesting way to look at it, and always good to look at the opinions of those who have money at stake, as it tends to focus the mind a bit.0 -
I have family members that need to drink or else they go through physical withdrawal, as described in this thread. But, it took a long time to get to that point and I think they were an alcoholic before they got to that point.
I have other family members that are struggling with physical addiction to other drugs, but also have extreme, severe health problems due to alcohol. They have to wake up every morning, to go to the hospital, to get hooked up to machines. Their internal organs no longer function correctly, and it is at a major risk of turning into cancer. No alcohol is permitted. But, the person still drinks. I don't know how much. Possibly all day. I don't know if this person is physically addicted to alcohol or not. But, if a person is drinking, even though it is causing them these major health problems and leading to a very early death then I would consider that an alcoholic. All of this, "No, I'm a problem drinker, not an alcoholic, so I can still drink" stuff is part of the problem. I want this person to face that they are also an alcoholic, just as they are addicted to other substances, and I want this person to know that they can not drink at all, anymore. Denial can be life threatening. So, I think it is silly to call people alcoholics based on ridiculous reasons, but I also think that some people need to face that they are an alcoholic and stop drinking and start living.0 -
The irony was pretty strong.
you done good girl. Proud of you
:drinker:
Cheers!
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I've got to say I'm enjoying this debate and it's making me think.
Rich is the person that can moderate their alcohol consumption. It's not easy, it takes hard work. I think abstinence is an easy answer, but there is a lot of pleasure to be had sharing food and wine with friends and lovers.
I was a bit shocked when my friend had a glass of wine with me one night, we don't usually drink, but I'd cooked a curry and had some knocking around, he's easily 200lb of muscle, 6'3" and it went to his head and couldn't finish it. I love that in a man! This is why I like to hang out with sportsmen. Particularly as most guys in the uk are heavy drinkers (and substance users).
You clearly hang out with different sportsmen to me. Drinking is practically compulsory on Rugby teams.....
Also: My dad is a functioning alcoholic. I am not, and yet I drink more than him.0 -
. Particularly as most guys in the uk are heavy drinkers (and substance users).
Really? Most? Tad of a sweeping generalisation?? :noway:0 -
. Particularly as most guys in the uk are heavy drinkers (and substance users).
Really? Most? Tad of a sweeping generalisation?? :noway:
Apologies.
I meant most guys that I know, relatives, friends, associates, clients are heavy drinkers. Many partake in the marching powder, a surprising amount. But I'm in the music business and am single. This is why I try to date triathletes and fitness people, as I prefer their company, and they won't encourage me to go off my moderate lifestyle!0 -
. Particularly as most guys in the uk are heavy drinkers (and substance users).
Really? Most? Tad of a sweeping generalisation?? :noway:
Apologies.
I meant most guys that I know, relatives, friends, associates, clients are heavy drinkers. Many partake in the marching powder, a surprising amount. But I'm in the music business and am single. This is why I try to date triathletes and fitness people, as I prefer their company, and they won't encourage me to go off my moderate lifestyle!
Apology accepted
I do agree though in certain circles it does have a tendancy to go on more than we think. When I worked in the city it was usually who isn't!!
Good for you sticking by your own rules, when it seems all around you there are bad influences.0
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