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    This:

    http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/06/when-a-calorie-is-not-just-a-calorie/

    Gina, please just stop. You're embarrassing yourself. In fact, at this point I'm embarrassed for you.
  • Posts: 8,680 Member
    she is a lost cause who needs our help but she is too stubborn.
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    Absolutely not. 2000 from breads and starches versus 2000 calories from fat/protein will affect your body QUITE differently. One will cause your blood sugar to skyrocket while the other gives you proper energy and nutrients your body naturally needs.

    "Everything in moderation" is great if you're trying to maintain weight. However, if you're trying to lose it it's better if the calories come from fats and protein and VERY MINIMALLY from carbs and sugars.
  • Posts: 28,072 Member
    Hey!!!!

    Remember me???

    I started this thread! Can I just ask another question before we go back to 10 more pages of arguing haha.

    So do I just keep going for another month and hope th scale starts to move?

    I don't think I can cut my calories back much more.

    What was the question again?

    j/k


    Keep going for a few more weeks - you are most likely retaining water/glycogen from starting to exercise - it can take a fair few weeks to settle down (I have seen up to 2 months for some) and it can mask 'real' weight loss while it is doing do.
  • Posts: 28,072 Member
    Absolutely not. 2000 from breads and starches versus 2000 calories from fat/protein will affect your body QUITE differently. One will cause your blood sugar to skyrocket while the other gives you proper energy and nutrients your body naturally needs.

    "Everything in moderation" is great if you're trying to maintain weight. However, if you're trying to lose it it's better if the calories come from fats and protein and VERY MINIMALLY from carbs and sugars.

    Minimal fruits and veggies?

    It is not better for me for my carbs to be minimal - I like energy for my workouts - which help my body comp.
  • Posts: 34,415 Member
    if I eat fruits and veggies 1500 calories = 1500 calories of fast food. I will lose the same amount of weight.

    Body composition will look different but exact same weight loss.

    To be clear, your mean time and frequency in bathroom will both be substantially higher in one of these scenarios too.

    (Or maybe that was just my own n=1 a couple of years ago when my excessive fruit consumption led to all kinds of disgusting tests that I'd rather not think about ever again.)
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    Sorry OP, if you stated how many calories you were taking in and your exact workout routine somewhere it got buried and I missed it.

    If your concern is when you started lifting the scale stopped moving then I would recommend you ignore the scale and continue doing what you are doing, it is impossible that lifting weights without changing your diet stopped you from losing fat. The fact your scale weight hasn't changed as much as you would like is undoubtedly due to water retention and not a change in your fat loss rate...if anything lifting is going to help with your fat loss and definitely with your overall fitness.

    Whether you are eating enough or eating to much is hard to know without your diary being open or a mention of your intake.

    Hi

    Thank you.

    Last few days im around 1000 to 1500 cals a day now.

    I workout every other day. Up to 4 sets (8 reps each) of squats, bench press, dead lift, shoulders and arms.
  • Posts: 142 Member
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    What was the question again?

    j/k


    Keep going for a few more weeks - you are most likely retaining water/glycogen from starting to exercise - it can take a fair few weeks to settle down (I have seen up to 2 months for some) and it can mask 'real' weight loss while it is doing do.

    How long do you think I should wait until I start seeing a steady loss again?
  • Posts: 34,415 Member
    Absolutely not. 2000 from breads and starches versus 2000 calories from fat/protein will affect your body QUITE differently. One will cause your blood sugar to skyrocket while the other gives you proper energy and nutrients your body naturally needs.

    "Everything in moderation" is great if you're trying to maintain weight. However, if you're trying to lose it it's better if the calories come from fats and protein and VERY MINIMALLY from carbs and sugars.

    Just what this thread needed. Some extremist (aka keto) dietary viewpoints on the "best" way to lose weight.

    You know another way to lose weight that is potentially less dangerous and just as effective? Eating at a slight caloric deficit over time.
  • Posts: 8,680 Member
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    To be clear, your mean time and frequency in bathroom will both be substantially higher in one of these scenarios too.

    (Or maybe that was just my own n=1 a couple of years ago when my excessive fruit consumption led to all kinds of disgusting tests that I'd rather not think about ever again.)

    missing the point of CICO. but yeah my friend went on a 3000 calorie fruit diet and lost his erection with a girl.
  • Posts: 8,680 Member
    OP are your clothes getting looser and looser with no scale change?
  • Posts: 28,072 Member
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    How long do you think I should wait until I start seeing a steady loss again?

    I would give it 2 more weeks and see if you start to drop the weight. If not, I would start looking at your calorie level, activity..and yes....possibly your macros =).
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    Gina, please just stop. You're embarrassing yourself. In fact, at this point I'm embarrassed for you.


    LOLLOLLOL! Worry about yourself!
  • Posts: 28,072 Member
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    Hi

    Thank you.

    Last few days im around 1000 to 1500 cals a day now.

    I workout every other day. Up to 4 sets (8 reps each) of squats, bench press, dead lift, shoulders and arms.

    Are you weighing and logging all your food?
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    I thought I saw someone mentioning the commercial label could be off by up to 20%? Could be "100 calories" actually "120"?

    According to labeling laws, the nutritional label can be up to 20% off meaning if the label say 100 calories, the actual caloric value can range from 80 to 120 calories. I did specifically target highly processed foods when saying you could be eating 20% more in calories because the food manufacturers know they do not have to be precise. All they have to do is fall within that 20%. Chances are good there will be a higher carb or fat content than declared because it makes the product taste better meaning they sell more product. If you eat moderate to large amounts of highly processed foods while cutting calories, this 20% variance can really add up. Another thing to consider, is restaurants that make the nutritional values available for their foods are under the same 20% variance guidelines BUT in reality the variance can be a bit higher because foods can vary slightly from one chain location to another. All it takes is for an employee to put 1.5 tbsp of ketchup on a burger rather than 1 tbsp. That variance can also affect the level of calorie deficit you think you have.
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    LOLLOLLOL! Worry about yourself!

    All I can say is when my success story is written and it will projected date in October, hopefully you are closer to your goal.
  • Posts: 4,301 Member
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    It's all about the quality!

    Just as well I usually eat the quality ice-creams.

    Mint Chocolate Chip?!?
  • Posts: 687 Member
    If they kept the men and women separate in the analysis the variability would be reduced and the chances of finding a significant difference increased.

    It is a somehow arbitrary decision that says P<0.05 is "significant" and anything greater is "not significant" - as the value increases the evidence is less convincing but one cannot say "there is no effect" on this basis - http://handbook.cochrane.org/chapter_12/12_4_2_p_values_and_statistical_significance.htm

    If I said there was a 25% chance that the extra 20% weight loss of the reduced carbohydrate arm was pure chance would you go for it ? or does it need to be less than 5% chance :-)
    Someone very kindly sent me the full text and the p-value was 0.23, so not even a whiff of significance in this study.
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    Are you weighing and logging all your food?

    Just started logging in MFP today. Used another service before.

    Yes, weigh almost everything. Learned my lesson after finding out my 2tbsp of PB weighed more than the 32g the package listed.
  • Posts: 34,415 Member
    PB is a great scale educator.
  • Posts: 5,789 Member
    Didn't I see on wiki last week that Tim Howard spent time as the Secretary of Defense? It was on wiki so it must be true....

    wiki used as a source....we now have an official.

    dumpster-fire-o.gif
  • Posts: 34,415 Member
    Didn't I see on wiki last week that Tim Howard spent time as the Secretary of Defense? It was on wiki so it must be true....

    wiki used as a source....we now have an official.

    dumpster-fire-o.gif

    Wiki is one of her more credible references in this thread...

    ...and the two (?) links to actual studies she posted weren't relevant to the topic.

    Of course, all of them (like this one) were just links for each of us to discern our own understanding...so maybe they were relevant and I simply missed the relevance. *shrug*
  • Posts: 7 Member
    If you can somehow eat fewer calories than you burn in a day and still gain weight, you are a miracle of modern science and need to report to the nearest lab for study, because nobody else in the world can accomplish such a feat.
  • Posts: 150 Member
    Ummm...I think that's called "Heaven"
  • Posts: 454 Member
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    LOLLOLLOL! Worry about yourself!

    Remember on Page 12 before the roll, I told you that your "LOLOLOLOL" responses are just as childish as when you called everyone "HATERS" over and over in the Keto thread. You must have forgotten my advice already. I'm withdrawing my "proud of you" statement now.
  • Posts: 8,680 Member
    This thread went so long for ....
  • Posts: 67
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    Minimal fruits and veggies?

    It is not better for me for my carbs to be minimal - I like energy for my workouts - which help my body comp.

    Fruits are fine as long as they are on the lower side of the glycemic index. Veggies are great since they have the nutrients and high fiber that your body needs.

    Carbs give you immediate energy for workouts, while fats give you energy slowly but for longer periods of time. Your blood sugar reacts and uses these types of energies differently.

    ...and for people who say low carb/keto is dangerous, obviously doesn't know what it really is. It's not all meat and butter, and you eat eat WAY more on that than in a traditional diet. My calorie deficit is at least 500 a day if not more.
  • Posts: 259 Member
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    This:

    http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/06/when-a-calorie-is-not-just-a-calorie/
    Gina, I read the article but I didn't understand any of it. Could you please post the link again?
  • Posts: 8,680 Member
    Try one of my workouts on a low carb diet. LOL
  • Posts: 34,415 Member
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    Fruits are fine as long as they are on the lower side of the glycemic index. Veggies are great since they have the nutrients and high fiber that your body needs.

    Carbs give you immediate energy for workouts, while fats give you energy slowly but for longer periods of time. Your blood sugar reacts and uses these types of energies differently.

    ...and for people who say low carb/keto is dangerous, obviously doesn't know what it really is. It's not all meat and butter, and you eat eat WAY more on that than in a traditional diet. My calorie deficit is at least 500 a day if not more.

    I'm familiar with what it is and isn't...

    ...but I disagree that it is an optimal/recommendable diet for most of the population for various reasons that are beyond the scope of this thread.
    My calorie deficit is at least 500 a day if not more.

    You say this like it's a good thing.
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