"Stop the Beauty Madness" Campaign
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In order to not wisecrack my way into hijacking the thread completely, here is why I like campaigns such as this while being absolutely determined to be thinner than is strictly required for mere good health:
I'm tired of being ignored by men my own age and hit on only by much older men who are, more to the point, all rightwingers. I have zero interest in them. I want someone I'm compatible with. Now an older leftist college professor, activist, or journalist might be another matter, but so far no luck. I'm just getting hit on by these old Fox News fans. And when I was fatter, no one was hitting on me at all. Ever. So reality. I don't have to like it, but I have to deal with it. When the men change, my mindset can change.
So you're saying that those that sit more to the left of the political spectrum prefer people that are thinner than is strictly required for health? I don't believe this to be the case but I find the idea oddly ironic.0 -
In order to not wisecrack my way into hijacking the thread completely, here is why I like campaigns such as this while being absolutely determined to be thinner than is strictly required for mere good health:
I'm tired of being ignored by men my own age and hit on only by much older men who are, more to the point, all rightwingers. I have zero interest in them. I want someone I'm compatible with. Now an older leftist college professor, activist, or journalist might be another matter, but so far no luck. I'm just getting hit on by these old Fox News fans. And when I was fatter, no one was hitting on me at all. Ever. So reality. I don't have to like it, but I have to deal with it. When the men change, my mindset can change.
So you're saying that those that sit more to the left of the political spectrum prefer people that are thinner than is strictly required for health? I don't believe this to be the case but I find the idea oddly ironic.
No. But I see how I wasn't very clear about that part. First, the older people are around here, with the exception of a few intellectuals, the more conservative they are on average. And at this weight, the only men at all who notice me are much older than I am. Which as I said would be fine, if they weren't incompatible with my political beliefs. I don't believe in a morning after session of wrestling the remote away from my partner in order to switch off Fox News. It just ain't sexy.
And in general, from past experience, the better (and yes, thinner) I look the more men approach me. Which ups my chances of finding someone I'm compatible with. My odds are already terrible, since I live in the American south. Anything I can do to increase my chances I had better do if I don't want to stay single forever.0 -
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it is cultural. In the west, a blonde girl will almost always symbolize beauty. A tiny one in US, with some more curves in Europe.
But In Japan, a blonde skinny girl is not a symbol or beauty, nor is she in Africa or in the middle east.
There is nothing bad with that, it is just cultural
You are a white man. You do not have the experience of a woman behind you to back up "there is nothing bad with that." Plenty of women will tell you is it bad. You didn't even read what the OP wrote, because she said we should QUESTION why our culture says this is the norm.
Right. Because there are no standards and norms based on appearance for men. he has no experience with beauty standards to back him up huh
Do you even think before typing?0 -
...sooooooooooo, if I do him, I will be beautiful right?
:laugh: Will it even matter to you what you look like if you're doing him?
I don't even think I will care if he's claiming to be left wing or right wing or buffalo wing.0 -
...sooooooooooo, if I do him, I will be beautiful right?
:laugh: Will it even matter to you what you look like if you're doing him?
I don't even think I will care if he's claiming to be left wing or right wing or buffalo wing.
Haha. Maybe in the cold light of dawn...but not until!
I also think we just proved Trojan's point about standards of beauty for males. Yeah, we has them.0 -
My political ideology is libertarian but I identify as a conservative.
*unwanted*
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I'll be honest. campaigns like these come off as bitter american white women Ii'm very well-travelled, haved worked in international settings for the past 20 years and have met a lot of different people from all over and I can honestly say this is primarily an american white girl thing) pissed off that they aren't automatically considered the most beautiful girl in the room. it's akin to the sense of entitlement some american white men have concerning all the panties they think should be thrown at them.0
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I'll be honest. campaigns like these come off as bitter american white women Ii'm very well-travelled, haved worked in international settings for the past 20 years and have met a lot of different people from all over and I can honestly say this is primarily an american white girl thing) pissed off that they aren't automatically considered the most beautiful girl in the room. it's akin to the sense of entitlement some american white men have concerning all the panties they think should be thrown at them.
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Right Wingers?? Oh, you mean normal people that work real jobs and pay taxes so that your left wing activists can sit around and figure out ways to bring their misery on the rest of us by sucking off the tit while contributing very little of any real value. Read your own post, I doubt it's your size or attractiveness level that makes men not hit on you and more to do with your attitude.In order to not wisecrack my way into hijacking the thread completely, here is why I like campaigns such as this while being absolutely determined to be thinner than is strictly required for mere good health:
I'm tired of being ignored by men my own age and hit on only by much older men who are, more to the point, all rightwingers. I have zero interest in them. I want someone I'm compatible with. Now an older leftist college professor, activist, or journalist might be another matter, but so far no luck. I'm just getting hit on by these old Fox News fans. And when I was fatter, no one was hitting on me at all. Ever. So reality. I don't have to like it, but I have to deal with it. When the men change, my mindset can change.
Wow, generalize much? You're assuming the person you're quoting has no job and is on welfare.....where did you get that from her post?
Please tell me this is snark.....
He's just angry because his conscience is bothering him. Going around the world shooting at people for Exxon and Halliburton, that has to be hard on a person.
OH SNAP that was perfect good good0 -
Major General Butler knew what war was for. Nothing has changed.
Oh wait, I'm supposed to stay on topic this time.
What is beauty for?0 -
There is so much beauty going on in this thread right now, I can hardly stand it.
Sometimes people remind me why we focus so much on their looks and not on their brains
This :laugh:0 -
I'm not stick skinny or a blonde. I'm gorgeous. I'm also 30.
Hollywood and fashion have a very narrow definition of beauty. The biggest issue here is being skinny, not being blonde.
Now, am I advocating overweight be the new definition of beauty? Certainly not. Healthy...why isn't healthy the definition of beauty? Fit? Why isn't fit a definition of beauty? There's so many sides to this argument and this is one issue that is not likely to be resolved any time soon.0 -
it is cultural. In the west, a blonde girl will almost always symbolize beauty. A tiny one in US, with some more curves in Europe.
But In Japan, a blonde skinny girl is not a symbol or beauty, nor is she in Africa or in the middle east.
There is nothing bad with that, it is just cultural
You are a white man. You do not have the experience of a woman behind you to back up "there is nothing bad with that." Plenty of women will tell you is it bad. You didn't even read what the OP wrote, because she said we should QUESTION why our culture says this is the norm.
Right. Because there are no standards and norms based on appearance for men. he has no experience with beauty standards to back him up huh
Do you even think before typing?
How about you stop and think for a *kitten* second? Or read the OP? THE ORIGINAL POST IS ABOUT WOMEN'S BEAUTY. NOT MEN.
Men are not objectified as women are. Women are made to set the standard of beauty because the male gaze is always upon us, sizing us up. Men are behind us, prodding us into that standard, and women have internalized that misogyny.0 -
I have my views on beauty. I'm happy with that. If anyone has issues with what my views are, that is their problem. The world can do as it pleases.0
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it is cultural. In the west, a blonde girl will almost always symbolize beauty. A tiny one in US, with some more curves in Europe.
But In Japan, a blonde skinny girl is not a symbol or beauty, nor is she in Africa or in the middle east.
There is nothing bad with that, it is just cultural
You are a white man. You do not have the experience of a woman behind you to back up "there is nothing bad with that." Plenty of women will tell you is it bad. You didn't even read what the OP wrote, because she said we should QUESTION why our culture says this is the norm.
Right. Because there are no standards and norms based on appearance for men. he has no experience with beauty standards to back him up huh
Do you even think before typing?
How about you stop and think for a *kitten* second? Or read the OP? THE ORIGINAL POST IS ABOUT WOMEN'S BEAUTY. NOT MEN.
Men are not objectified as women are. Women are made to set the standard of beauty because the male gaze is always upon us, sizing us up. Men are behind us, prodding us into that standard, and women have internalized that misogyny.
And yet men also have pressures for standards of beauty as well as standards for sexual prowess and financial success.0 -
Its HARD work being this pretty!0
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Memo to the anti-beauty crusaders:
The solution is not to change society; you'll never do that. The solution is to change yourself or get the hell over it. And if it makes you that freaking bitter that you don't meet society's definition of "beautiful," then some ruthless self-assessment and self-improvement might be exactly what you need. It's not society's fault that you have a defeatist attitude. And spare me your attempt to convince me that you love yourself. If you did, you wouldn't be whining about what other people think of you and why only old dudes ever hit on you.0 -
Memo to the anti-beauty crusaders:
The solution is not to change society; you'll never do that. The solution is to change yourself or get the hell over it. And if it makes you that freaking bitter that you don't meet society's definition of "beautiful," then some ruthless self-assessment and self-improvement might be exactly what you need. It's not society's fault that you have a defeatist attitude. And spare me your attempt to convince me that you love yourself. If you did, you wouldn't be whining about what other people think of you and why only old dudes ever hit on you.
*Slow Claps...picks up the mic you just dropped hoping your awesomeness rubs off on me...*
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it is cultural. In the west, a blonde girl will almost always symbolize beauty. A tiny one in US, with some more curves in Europe.
But In Japan, a blonde skinny girl is not a symbol or beauty, nor is she in Africa or in the middle east.
There is nothing bad with that, it is just cultural
You are a white man. You do not have the experience of a woman behind you to back up "there is nothing bad with that." Plenty of women will tell you is it bad. You didn't even read what the OP wrote, because she said we should QUESTION why our culture says this is the norm.
My mom empowered me to be whoever the hell I want and ignore what people thought about "beauty". I was a tomboy, I never wore make up and I did "guy" things. I have a very strong sense of self now and nobody can take that from me by calling me names or talking bad about how I look.
I think if you want to try to change media you go ahead and do that. In the end it doesn't even matter why our culture thinks skinny blonde girls are attractive (really though, not everyone thinks that). I'll be over here empowering the boys and girls around me to just enjoy being who they are. (Yes, boys get it too. http://www.tickld.com/x/what-people-really-need-to-know-about-sexism-this-is-so-refreshingly-accurate)
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The solution is to change yourself
That's exactly what I'm doing. But I figured out the solution to the old dudes. Time for a total makeover, not just my weight. Hair, make-up, clothes, and attitude. I'll go as far as a blue and purple Mohawk and facial piercings if that's what it takes to scare away the grandpas.0 -
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What is wrong with the pursuit of beauty?
Nothing until she gets a restraining order. :laugh:
Is that when she handcuffs herself? That is efficient!
Afraid not. You men, you're getting so you want us to do all the work these days. I mean I get how it's hard to approach someone with the cuffs behind your back when you're shy, but culturally, you still have to make the first move sometimes!
I hate handcuffs. I would rather they just use chloroform on me and get it over with. Sometimes, I like it when I am unconscious.....0 -
I hate handcuffs. I would rather they just use chloroform on me and get it over with. Sometimes, I like it when I am unconscious.....
:laugh: No, I gotta be conscious, because then I can nag him if he's not doing it right!0 -
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We women KNOW we are done with competing, done with comparing, and done with playing the ugly/beauty game.
We are?
Funny thing. Most women on our planet aren't and never were beautiful. Almost all of them marry and have children despite this. Or they earn a living if they have to. Maybe not as a supermodel but the rent still gets paid and there'll be food on the table. Somehow, life does go on for the average unbeautiful woman.
Now that I'm in my late forties, I notice that the women in my age group who were never particularly attractive have done better for themselves in the long run. Anyhow, as women get older it all evens out. The pretty ones, the ugly ones. We all turn into old hags at a certain point and we're no longer contenders. Usually much sooner than we initially realize. Oh well. I like not feeling the pressure of beauty competition. A perk of ageing, for those who can stomach it.
Thanks for this comment. Too funny. Interesting perspective!0 -
And yet men also have pressures for standards of beauty as well as standards for sexual prowess and financial success.
Definitely pressures for sexual prowess... MMMmmmmm
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I think this is mainly an issue for us to think about in regards to young people.
As adults, I would hope that we learn to see ourselves realistically, and to accept ourselves as we are. Work to make changes or maintain what we have. Be ok that some people will find us attractive and some won't. And that it is ok to enjoy our outer appearance, and also good to not only be defined by that.
Young people sometimes deal with issues such as body dysmorphia or having been taught their only value is in their sexual appearance, or have wrong notions about what they think men want (or even try to harm their body in order to not be attractive). So, those are things to think about. Simply because we don't want silly issues like that to actually hold girls back from all the important areas of life that they could be learning and excelling in (I'm only talking about girls at this time because that is the topic, and also I have experience being a girl). I would think this is mainly an issue related to upbringing and home life. The home life can provide health and confidence or it can break kids down (abuse being the most extreme form of that). Yeah, those are tough issues, with no easy answers or solutions. But, we can heal ourselves, educate ourselves, and do better for our own children. Those are some of my thoughts on it.0 -
What is wrong with the pursuit of beauty?
Nothing until she gets a restraining order. :laugh:
Is that when she handcuffs herself? That is efficient!
Afraid not. You men, you're getting so you want us to do all the work these days. I mean I get how it's hard to approach someone with the cuffs behind your back when you're shy, but culturally, you still have to make the first move sometimes!
I hate handcuffs. I would rather they just use chloroform on me and get it over with. Sometimes, I like it when I am unconscious.....
:laugh: I already love you!0
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