1200 Calorie a day diet. Can it be healthy?
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There are a lot. Search for "VLCD studies". Here's just a few.
links?I know it proves nothing. That's why I don't glance at diaries or profile pics or tickers. It's all fiction here. But I'm accused of not being able to read, c'mon. :laugh:
They do studies on weight loss at levels way below BMR all the time. No one studies 'is it safe to eat below your BMR' for the same reason no one studies 'is it safe to eat standing up'. It's self-evident that it is because there is no reason to believe it isn't.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2013/10/30/ajcn.113.070052
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16988070
http://www.ysonut.fr/pdf/4DAP-2009-VLCD-type-2-diabetes.pdf0 -
There are a lot. Search for "VLCD studies". Here's just a few.
links?I know it proves nothing. That's why I don't glance at diaries or profile pics or tickers. It's all fiction here. But I'm accused of not being able to read, c'mon. :laugh:
They do studies on weight loss at levels way below BMR all the time. No one studies 'is it safe to eat below your BMR' for the same reason no one studies 'is it safe to eat standing up'. It's self-evident that it is because there is no reason to believe it isn't.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2013/10/30/ajcn.113.070052
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16988070
http://www.ysonut.fr/pdf/4DAP-2009-VLCD-type-2-diabetes.pdf
From the Elsevier article:
The long-term effects of VLCDs on glycaemic control,
cardiovascular risk and diabetic complications are generally
small or absent, and there are no data on the long-term effect
on complications and mortality.
The reason their is little to no data is because no one does that research "all the time".0 -
Who said anything about long term?0
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Who said anything about long term?
You said people are doing VLCD research as an argument that eating below your BMR is no big deal and safe. That was not supported by your links.0 -
pretty sure its implied. obviously one day of eating nothing wont hurt muchWho said anything about long term?0 -
finally got time to read theseThere are a lot. Search for "VLCD studies". Here's just a few.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/early/2013/10/30/ajcn.113.070052
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16988070
http://www.ysonut.fr/pdf/4DAP-2009-VLCD-type-2-diabetes.pdf
none of them actually measured health in any way other than weight loss, except for the second which said this "VLCDs are considered safe and effective when used by appropriately selected individuals under careful medical supervision (5). The diets are designed for patients with a BMI ≥ 30 kg/m2, a group at increased risk of cardiovascular morbidity and mortality and that also may derive the most benefit from substantial weight loss.", which is what most have been saying from the start0 -
Fascinating; In the two hours after I started this thread around 50 comments and most of them nay Sayers saying that what I am doing is wrong, is not healthy, but as soon as I mention my Cardiologist and a Registered Dietitian all the negative comments stopped. Where are all the experts now?
Stop depending on Google and the internet to determine your diet and go to a real professional, Truly fascinting that people believe anything they read on the internet
So you posted this to get comments that you could then reply to by saying - well my doctor says it's ok so there.
Ok then :huh:
Yup. Consider yourself schooled.
Oh I do, wait... :noway:
What I go from his admission was that he's on a 1200/day diet as he's at major risk of a heart attack - so the risks of a VLCD are less than the risks of staying fat.
That doesn't mean it's healthy - just that it's the lesser of two evils.
But I'm sure he'll say I'm just a google expert.
I know. If I were at imminent risk of death, I'd eat 1200 - no complaints.
(Actually there would be complaints. But I'd be at death's door, so you just put your listening face on.)0 -
This is always how the discussion goes. "1200 must be dangerous because you can't do it long term (though you can through weight loss, which is the topic) and it must be dangerous because VLCDs are sometimes found risky and 1200 sounds 'very low' to me so it must be a VLCD. And it's ok for you because you're sick or you because you're small but it's not ok for anyone else."
pretty sure its implied. obviously one day of eating nothing wont hurt muchWho said anything about long term?
"And, by the way, you can't even read and you're pompous. So nice try. Oh, and go away." :indifferent:
(Those links were in response to 'no one studies eating under BMR'. Not advocating VLCD.)0 -
never did i say 1200 was VLCD
This is always how the discussion goes. "1200 must be dangerous because you can't do it long term (though you can through weight loss, which is the topic) and it must be dangerous because VLCDs are sometimes found risky and 1200 sounds 'very low' to me so it must be a VLCD. And it's ok for you because you're sick or you because you're small but it's not ok for anyone else."
pretty sure its implied. obviously one day of eating nothing wont hurt muchWho said anything about long term?
"And, by the way, you can't even read and you're pompous. So nice try. Oh, and go away." :indifferent:
never did i say you cant do it for long term, its just stupid to do so for MOST people. ive said it before, if you 5'0 and 100 lbs, its fine.
VLCD's are risky, but im not going to argue that anymore because clearly we are on two different pages. just dont recommend it to someone or say its okay for someone as large as myself (TDEE >2800)
why is bolded in quotes? are you implying i said that, because i didnt.0 -
You know what? I'm tired of this thread. I'm going to report it as deliberately inflammatory.0
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Fascinating; In the two hours after I started this thread around 50 comments and most of them nay Sayers saying that what I am doing is wrong, is not healthy, but as soon as I mention my Cardiologist and a Registered Dietitian all the negative comments stopped. Where are all the experts now?
Stop depending on Google and the internet to determine your diet and go to a real professional, Truly fascinting that people believe anything they read on the internet
You posted a topic saying "1200 Calorie a day diet. Can it be healthy?” You asked is it healthy? You got answers saying it is probably not healthy and now you want to respond and insult everyone who tried to help you? I can't speak for everyone else but I responded because I thought you were looking for advice and genuinely wanted to help you.
1200 calorie diets are not usually healthy for men. That is coming from professionals. If you ask your cardiologist and dietician if it is healthy for an average man to only eat 1200 calories I am confident they would tell you that it is not for most men. You asked the question. You got correct answers. Many posts did also suggest consulting with a doctor.
So why did you post the question if you already had what you believe are all the answers? All you proved is that you enjoy taking advantage of the trusting and caring nature of other people.0 -
You know what? I'm tired of this thread. I'm going to report it as deliberately inflammatory.
What? This is why we can't have nice things. People who ignore the jerks and actually get into a discussion, get their stuff nuked.
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No, he was just proving that the "internet experts" could not diagnose him via the interwebzzz.
Take that, bam!
derp.0 -
This is always how the discussion goes. "1200 must be dangerous because you can't do it long term (though you can through weight loss, which is the topic) and it must be dangerous because VLCDs are sometimes found risky and 1200 sounds 'very low' to me so it must be a VLCD. And it's ok for you because you're sick or you because you're small but it's not ok for anyone else."
pretty sure its implied. obviously one day of eating nothing wont hurt muchWho said anything about long term?
"And, by the way, you can't even read and you're pompous. So nice try. Oh, and go away." :indifferent:
(Those links were in response to 'no one studies eating under BMR'. Not advocating VLCD.)
Umm..maybe it's time for you to stop posting if you are stooping to either insulting people or imagining insults where none were written.0 -
You know what? I'm tired of this thread. I'm going to report it as deliberately inflammatory.
yup!0 -
You know what? I'm tired of this thread. I'm going to report it as deliberately inflammatory.
What? This is why we can't have nice things. People who ignore the jerks and actually get into a discussion, get their stuff nuked.
Indeed. And the sooner this one is nuked, the sooner its replacement can be created.0 -
For someone who is really tiny and female, doesn't move much all day, maybe. Or for someone chronically obese crashing weight off.
Otherwise, exercise more and eat moderately. And don't tell me you don't have time. Sheesh.0 -
i was just going to add, male calculation is very different.
I love using this calculation myself - http://macronutrientcalculator.com/
you can set the filter to be desk job, low carb, whatever your preferences are.0 -
That sounds like the most boring thing ever. I'd quit after a day and 1/2.0
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i was just going to add, male calculation is very different.
I love using this calculation myself - http://macronutrientcalculator.com/
you can set the filter to be desk job, low carb, whatever your preferences are.
Aside from their maintenance calories....how are they that different in regards to macro breakdown? I know a lot of men and women that do 40/30/30 and are having great results.
So what calculation are you talking about?0 -
Late to this, but as I started out a year ago eating 1200 calories (19 years old, female, 175lbs at the time) and I was hungry always and lost about 12lbs before being stuck for a solid 4 months and giving up. I also was more likely to cheat. Gained all the weight back.
I started losing at 1800 calories and I'm currently netting around 1600 and I'm much less miserable and still losing.
Why eat 1200 when you can eat 1600 and get better results? Answer seemed simple to me.0 -
I was referring to replies from several people there, in this and in other threads, and using a little hyperbole. It's not personal.
never did i say 1200 was VLCD
This is always how the discussion goes. "1200 must be dangerous because you can't do it long term (though you can through weight loss, which is the topic) and it must be dangerous because VLCDs are sometimes found risky and 1200 sounds 'very low' to me so it must be a VLCD. And it's ok for you because you're sick or you because you're small but it's not ok for anyone else."
pretty sure its implied. obviously one day of eating nothing wont hurt muchWho said anything about long term?
"And, by the way, you can't even read and you're pompous. So nice try. Oh, and go away." :indifferent:
never did i say you cant do it for long term, its just stupid to do so for MOST people. ive said it before, if you 5'0 and 100 lbs, its fine.
VLCD's are risky, but im not going to argue that anymore because clearly we are on two different pages. just dont recommend it to someone or say its okay for someone as large as myself (TDEE >2800)
why is bolded in quotes? are you implying i said that, because i didnt.0 -
yea i bolded it just to highlight it. fair enough tho
It's bolded because you bolded it, I think. I don't know how to bold here. :happy:
never did i say 1200 was VLCD
This is always how the discussion goes. "1200 must be dangerous because you can't do it long term (though you can through weight loss, which is the topic) and it must be dangerous because VLCDs are sometimes found risky and 1200 sounds 'very low' to me so it must be a VLCD. And it's ok for you because you're sick or you because you're small but it's not ok for anyone else."
pretty sure its implied. obviously one day of eating nothing wont hurt muchWho said anything about long term?
"And, by the way, you can't even read and you're pompous. So nice try. Oh, and go away." :indifferent:
never did i say you cant do it for long term, its just stupid to do so for MOST people. ive said it before, if you 5'0 and 100 lbs, its fine.
VLCD's are risky, but im not going to argue that anymore because clearly we are on two different pages. just dont recommend it to someone or say its okay for someone as large as myself (TDEE >2800)
why is bolded in quotes? are you implying i said that, because i didnt.
I was referring to replies from several people there, in this and in other threads, and using a little hyperbole. It's not personal.
future reference; to bold
what you want bolded
with small case b's
similar to the quote function0 -
You know what? I'm tired of this thread. I'm going to report it as deliberately inflammatory.
What? This is why we can't have nice things. People who ignore the jerks and actually get into a discussion, get their stuff nuked.
The OP is one of the jerks, though. Anything that actually discusses the issue takes it off topic, because the topic is to bow down before his experience and insight and admit that we were all wrong and there are times a 1200 calorie diet is healthy. Not that anybody's actually ever argued otherwise, but still.
I'm going to go post a mean people thread now.0 -
This is just an example of a menu. The point is if most of my food intake consists of veggies and fruit while limiting my carbs, sugar and fat while eating lean proteins. How could this be unhealthy as many on this forum claim? no mood swings or lack of energy. Feeling better than I have in along time.
I have walked with a cane for the past two years. Now I don't
I am a retired Chef and do almost all of my own cooking. Trained in nutrition too, being the Head Chef at a hospital for some time.
i see nothing wrong with having some carbs, sugar and fat in a person's diet as long as the individual doesn't have issues with these.
the question you should ask yourself is can i eat like this forever? what happens when you start eating to maintain? many concern themselves with how to loose the weight yet never talk about what happens when you reach your goal especially if you've been eating 1200 cals a day for however long it takes you to loose it. slow and steady keeps the weight OFF - that's the ultimate goal!
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the question you should ask yourself is can i eat like this forever? what happens when you start eating to maintain? many concern themselves with how to loose the weight yet never talk about what happens when you reach your goal especially if you've been eating 1200 cals a day for however long it takes you to loose it. slow and steady keeps the weight OFF - that's the ultimate goal!
You are correct I can't eat like this forever. I do not know how long I will eat like this. It could change at my next Doctor visit.
I do have an eating plan for maintaining. After I lose the weight I plan on adding 200 calories a day to my intake. Check my weight in a week, if I am still losing weight I keep adding calories until it levels off.
I do know that I will have to keep measuring and tracking my food forever though.0 -
do you have a study that shows eating under BMR isnt dangerous? didnt think so
I could point you at a dozen or so weight loss studies where the subjects are fed below their BMR. They all passed the ethics committees and none mention "eating under BMR" as they weren't published on MFP or written by its forum contributors. If you put "hypocaloric" into Pubmed I bet half or more of them will be under BMR.
Sedentary and 2 lbs/week loss rate means you're under BMR, it's built into the MFP software.
I could also point you at national guidelines from other countries for weight loss diets that don't have the American 1200 calories in them at all as a lower limit or in any other guide.
As the OP's ticker is looking to lose 140,000 calories worth of weight I suspect he can sustain a high deficit for a good while.0 -
future reference; to bold
what you want bolded
with small case b's
similar to the quote function
That alone was worth the pain of following this thread. I've been trying to figure out how to bold things!
*hoping that worked...0 -
Thanks! For the record, I deleted that part of my post because I realized you didn't ask why that was BOLDED but why it was in quotation marks. I use the 'quote' button to quote. I'm too lazy to type html. But I'll work on it. :happy:
yea i bolded it just to highlight it. fair enough tho
It's bolded because you bolded it, I think. I don't know how to bold here. :happy:
never did i say 1200 was VLCD
This is always how the discussion goes. "1200 must be dangerous because you can't do it long term (though you can through weight loss, which is the topic) and it must be dangerous because VLCDs are sometimes found risky and 1200 sounds 'very low' to me so it must be a VLCD. And it's ok for you because you're sick or you because you're small but it's not ok for anyone else."
pretty sure its implied. obviously one day of eating nothing wont hurt muchWho said anything about long term?
"And, by the way, you can't even read and you're pompous. So nice try. Oh, and go away." :indifferent:
never did i say you cant do it for long term, its just stupid to do so for MOST people. ive said it before, if you 5'0 and 100 lbs, its fine.
VLCD's are risky, but im not going to argue that anymore because clearly we are on two different pages. just dont recommend it to someone or say its okay for someone as large as myself (TDEE >2800)
why is bolded in quotes? are you implying i said that, because i didnt.
I was referring to replies from several people there, in this and in other threads, and using a little hyperbole. It's not personal.
future reference; to bold
what you want bolded
with small case b's
similar to the quote function
Thanks, yarwell, too, for the further explanation. :flowerforyou:0 -
You should look into what macro-nutrients your body needs to survive, lose or gain weight. If you look at a typical fitness meal plan, we do not track calories. We track nutrients. For example
Your breakfast was 2 eggs and 2 pieces of toast
Mine is: 25g complex carbs, 30g Protein, 10g sugar (fruit) and 15f Essential fatty Acids
(I am in a 'cutting' phase right now for a competition, so this is low)
tracking food this way will ensure you are fueling your body and our activities. Hope that helps!0
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