Does low carb make you lose faster?
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It did in my case. I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes and was a carb fiend!!! When I stopped and switched to "good carbs" whole wheat and what not I lost 65 lbs in 3 months (diet and a hard core workout routine) but the I'm sure the lower/good carb switch had a lot to with it. If you stick with it, the cravings go away. I was a pasta monster and now have it once in a while but use whole wheat now... it's an acquired taste but now when my Italian mother-in-law has pasta when we visit (white pasta) I barely eat it, it's too bland for me now... I've totally lost the taste for it!
Me too. T2 Diabetic and was just put on Low Carb High Fat diet. I found the weight is just flying off. 40 pounds in 11 weeks. Have another 70+ to go. I bicycle at least an hour 5 to 6 days a week at 14-16 mph. Mostly, I have lost size, as the bike tends to tone you up real fast (core and legs, upper arms).
The cravings have mostly gone away for me, also. Unless I go into the truck stop and they have a Cinnabon center there and all I smell is buns cooking....then I have to get out quick (I am trucks driver). Also have some trouble walking by the doughnut cabinet (maple glazed my fave).....that said, I have not had any trouble saying "no" to them. About the only carbs I can eat without much affect are the Wasa Rye Crisp bread (1 slice per day) and about a max of 2 cups berries in a given day. Anything more than that and I am in trouble with my sugars.
This has been the only lifestyle I have been able to stick to and not cheat once in almost nine months. I can do this for a lifetime and my blood labs are better than they have been since I was 23 years old (49 now). BEST....off my diabetes injections and only on half of one oral med now.0 -
I want to go low carb to help lose weight faster but I know it's not something I can stick to long term and would just gain the weight back. I'm trying to make this a long term lifestyle change so it's not realistic to eat such low carbs for the rest of my life.
You could try LOWER carbs of 100-150 grams per day (with the higher amount on your high exercise days). You won't get the appetite suppression effect of ketosis but you will not get desperation carb-stuffing either. By the way, this amount of carbs is what is recommended by Sara Gottfried, M.D. (author of "The Hormone Cure") for keeping a woman's hormones in order during the weight loss process. She recommends getting the carbs from non-sugary, non-grainy sources (i.e. eat lots of vegetables and fruits). She also recommends moderate fat of 70-80 grams of fat (especially from nuts and avocados and free-range organic eggs and butter) and a decent level of protein, at the rate of .8 grams of protein per kilogram of lean body mass. It is a very healthy way to lose weight and one that is sustainable long term for slow weight loss without regain or feelings of deprivation. This is what I have been on for about 3 to 4 years and I have had no regains--a first for me, after years of yo-yo diet / regain / diet / regain more, etc.0 -
i think it does! it helped me lose my initial 40 lbs0
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No. What you fail to realize is that we are talking about 2 different things that at the end of the day for our situations go hand in hand.Don't bother. This is an old argument that gets done over and over again. Some will say it's all purely CICO and then in the next breath talk about macros and micros. They don't see the inherent contradiction that if micros and macros are important, then it can't be all about CICO only. The way most try to reconcile it is by making this silly differentiation between health and weight loss, and even that doesn't fully reconcile the contradictions.
If I simply wanted to lose weight I would eat at a deficit, simple. I wouldn't bother with food selection or macros, if pure weight loss was my goal.
However, my goal isn't pure weight loss. It's body composition and overall health. Being stronger and seeking full vanity goals that I desire. Simple. And yes for that paying attention to macro and micronutrients are important.
You seem to think that if someone says the one thing then they say the other then they are contradicting themselves. With that said, I won't really waste my time with you because as always it will eventually turn into a conversation on how diabetes, PCOS, blah, bla, blah. Sorry boring circle with you.
I know, all those other situations and examples that don't fit into your nice little black and white world. Continue to ignore them and think that weight loss is this simple black and white situation for everyone -- or that your personal experience applies to everyone. Ignore the fact that if you lose different proportions of muscle versus fat, the number on the scale is different. Ignore complex hormonal issues, which we're only starting to scratch the surface of in research. Whatever makes you feel safe and secure regardless of the objective reality. But continue to use things like IFing yourself, which acknowledge these things. Nope, no contradiction and hypocrisy there. None at all.0 -
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Oh, have we reached the absurd comparisons portion already? I love this part!
Which will help you lose weight faster, 500 calories of organic grass-fed beef from a local farm cow who you helped deliver, name, and crocheted sweaters for in colder weather, OR 500 calories of gelatinous goo-like substance scraped out of a truck-stop deep fryer that the cooks use for "can we fry it" experiments after the dinner rush?
OMG, I about spit out my carb load (also known as a tasty, cold, adult beverage)!!!0 -
Not ignoring metabolic issues that can be addressed. Just not willing to debate with a wall who prefers to use that all as an excuse and allow everyone to play the victim. You are the queen spokeswoman for the MFP pity party. You're not worth my time or effort.
No. What you fail to realize is that we are talking about 2 different things that at the end of the day for our situations go hand in hand.Don't bother. This is an old argument that gets done over and over again. Some will say it's all purely CICO and then in the next breath talk about macros and micros. They don't see the inherent contradiction that if micros and macros are important, then it can't be all about CICO only. The way most try to reconcile it is by making this silly differentiation between health and weight loss, and even that doesn't fully reconcile the contradictions.
If I simply wanted to lose weight I would eat at a deficit, simple. I wouldn't bother with food selection or macros, if pure weight loss was my goal.
However, my goal isn't pure weight loss. It's body composition and overall health. Being stronger and seeking full vanity goals that I desire. Simple. And yes for that paying attention to macro and micronutrients are important.
You seem to think that if someone says the one thing then they say the other then they are contradicting themselves. With that said, I won't really waste my time with you because as always it will eventually turn into a conversation on how diabetes, PCOS, blah, bla, blah. Sorry boring circle with you.
I know, all those other situations and examples that don't fit into your nice little black and white world. Continue to ignore them and think that weight loss is this simple black and white situation for everyone -- or that your personal experience applies to everyone. Ignore the fact that if you lose different proportions of muscle versus fat, the number on the scale is different. Ignore complex hormonal issues, which we're only starting to scratch the surface of in research. Whatever makes you feel safe and secure regardless of the objective reality. But continue to use things like IFing yourself, which acknowledge these things. Nope, no contradiction and hypocrisy there. None at all.
Wow, you lost the point and instead of counter attacking the argument, you attack the person and then retreat?
I know you can do better than that.0 -
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The point was not lost by me. I'm just not willing to run in the same circles with her.
Not ignoring metabolic issues that can be addressed. Just not willing to debate with a wall who prefers to use that all as an excuse and allow everyone to play the victim. You are the queen spokeswoman for the MFP pity party. You're not worth my time or effort.
No. What you fail to realize is that we are talking about 2 different things that at the end of the day for our situations go hand in hand.Don't bother. This is an old argument that gets done over and over again. Some will say it's all purely CICO and then in the next breath talk about macros and micros. They don't see the inherent contradiction that if micros and macros are important, then it can't be all about CICO only. The way most try to reconcile it is by making this silly differentiation between health and weight loss, and even that doesn't fully reconcile the contradictions.
If I simply wanted to lose weight I would eat at a deficit, simple. I wouldn't bother with food selection or macros, if pure weight loss was my goal.
However, my goal isn't pure weight loss. It's body composition and overall health. Being stronger and seeking full vanity goals that I desire. Simple. And yes for that paying attention to macro and micronutrients are important.
You seem to think that if someone says the one thing then they say the other then they are contradicting themselves. With that said, I won't really waste my time with you because as always it will eventually turn into a conversation on how diabetes, PCOS, blah, bla, blah. Sorry boring circle with you.
I know, all those other situations and examples that don't fit into your nice little black and white world. Continue to ignore them and think that weight loss is this simple black and white situation for everyone -- or that your personal experience applies to everyone. Ignore the fact that if you lose different proportions of muscle versus fat, the number on the scale is different. Ignore complex hormonal issues, which we're only starting to scratch the surface of in research. Whatever makes you feel safe and secure regardless of the objective reality. But continue to use things like IFing yourself, which acknowledge these things. Nope, no contradiction and hypocrisy there. None at all.
Wow, you lost the point and instead of counter attacking the argument, you attack the person and then retreat?
I know you can do better than that.
You haven't been around here long enough to witness the back and forth between the 2 of us throughout the year. If you'd like search through my 5000 post history.
To the point where I'm pretty sure a moderator had requested that each party block each other.
Ah. Okay.
And remember, I already stalked your profile. I don't need to see more gooey food porn! :laugh:0 -
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Low carb, low fat, calorie deficit, etc. allows me to have more bourbon.
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That's good. And I also definitely recommend you do not venture into my group as studies have shown it can cause the diabeeetus.
:laugh: Now I want to know if looking at pictures of food does anything to blood glucose levels in preparation for the body expecting to eat it.0 -
I have noticed a trend with people who post about their weight loss stalling is that they are all on low carb diets.
Really? I've noticed the other way -- that there are more people on IIFYM or CICO based diets that have stall issues, but then that's usually blamed on inaccurate logging. I imagine stalling is not exclusive to either, but more the nature of weight loss for many.
That can't be the case - I thought moderation was equivalent to the number 42!0 -
Not ignoring metabolic issues that can be addressed. Just not willing to debate with a wall who prefers to use that all as an excuse and allow everyone to play the victim. You are the queen spokeswoman for the MFP pity party. You're not worth my time or effort.
No. What you fail to realize is that we are talking about 2 different things that at the end of the day for our situations go hand in hand.Don't bother. This is an old argument that gets done over and over again. Some will say it's all purely CICO and then in the next breath talk about macros and micros. They don't see the inherent contradiction that if micros and macros are important, then it can't be all about CICO only. The way most try to reconcile it is by making this silly differentiation between health and weight loss, and even that doesn't fully reconcile the contradictions.
If I simply wanted to lose weight I would eat at a deficit, simple. I wouldn't bother with food selection or macros, if pure weight loss was my goal.
However, my goal isn't pure weight loss. It's body composition and overall health. Being stronger and seeking full vanity goals that I desire. Simple. And yes for that paying attention to macro and micronutrients are important.
You seem to think that if someone says the one thing then they say the other then they are contradicting themselves. With that said, I won't really waste my time with you because as always it will eventually turn into a conversation on how diabetes, PCOS, blah, bla, blah. Sorry boring circle with you.
I know, all those other situations and examples that don't fit into your nice little black and white world. Continue to ignore them and think that weight loss is this simple black and white situation for everyone -- or that your personal experience applies to everyone. Ignore the fact that if you lose different proportions of muscle versus fat, the number on the scale is different. Ignore complex hormonal issues, which we're only starting to scratch the surface of in research. Whatever makes you feel safe and secure regardless of the objective reality. But continue to use things like IFing yourself, which acknowledge these things. Nope, no contradiction and hypocrisy there. None at all.
Talk about defamatory statements. Feel free to ignore my posts -- remember, you responded to me, not the other way around. But not hypocritical there either.
I'm about getting the best information to people. CICO is a great guideline, but it's not perfect nor absolute. And getting information out there to people that are frustrated to help them optimize their results is my goal. It's about working smarter, not unnecessarily harder.
What is smarter for any individual varies -- some will fare better with more carbs, some will fare better with less carbs. Protein helps maintain LBM in a deficit. If they're having trouble with a deficit, look to other issues that may impact them as there are quite a few out there. Thyroid 8% of the US population. PCOS 5-10% of the US female population. Insulin resistance over 40% of US adults at prediabetic or diabetic levels.
Those are important issue, especially because so many of them are unknown or undiagnosed. And because they often contribute to weight gain or make it difficult to lose without some adjustments to CICO, the numbers are probably even higher for those looking to lose weight.
This complicates things and makes people expand their perspectives of their nice black and white world. But, it helps people who actually have these issues to know that they aren't necessarily doing something inherently wrong. There may simply be a better system for them as individuals. They aren't necessarily lazy, not working hard or want pity parties as people like you will throw around. Why you feel the need to denigrate people is beyond me. It seems to speak to a bigger psychological issue you must have to put others down or insist that your truth is the only truth.0 -
I'm about getting the best information to people. CICO is a great guideline, but it's not perfect nor absolute. And getting information out there to people that are frustrated to help them optimize their results is my goal. It's about working smarter, not unnecessarily harder.
What is smarter for any individual varies -- some will fare better with more carbs, some will fare better with less carbs. Protein helps maintain LBM in a deficit. If they're having trouble with a deficit, look to other issues that may impact them as there are quite a few out there. Thyroid 8% of the US population. PCOS 5-10% of the US female population. Insulin resistance over 40% of US adults at prediabetic or diabetic levels.
Those are important issue, especially because so many of them are unknown or undiagnosed. And because they often contribute to weight gain or make it difficult to lose without some adjustments to CICO, the numbers are probably even higher for those looking to lose weight.
This complicates things and makes people expand their perspectives of their nice black and white world. But, it helps people who actually have these issues to know that they aren't necessarily doing something inherently wrong. There may simply be a better system for them as individuals. They aren't necessarily lazy, not working hard or want pity parties as people like you will throw around. Why you feel the need to denigrate people is beyond me. It seems to speak to a bigger psychological issue you must have to put others down or insist that your truth is the only truth.
Thank you....the bolded is *exactly* what my experience was.
It sucked
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Lower carb helped me. You have to make a lifestyle change not a diet. You'll always gain back what you lost if you go back to bad habits. If you're not ready then don't even bother.0
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you don't have to go totally no carb, Just cut down to 40% that's what I do it really helps.I want to go low carb to help lose weight faster but I know it's not something I can stick to long term and would just gain the weight back. I'm trying to make this a long term lifestyle change so it's not realistic to eat such low carbs for the rest of my life.0 -
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0100652
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Our results show that the weight loss in overweight and obese subjects with or without diabetes on isoenergetic low CHO or balanced weight loss diets was similar at 3–6 months and at 1–2 years. Thus, the weight loss is the result of a reduction in total dietary energy intake rather than manipulation of macronutrient contribution. It follows that when considering dietary strategies for weight loss, less emphasis should be placed on an ‘ideal’ macronutrient composition and more emphasis on reduction in total energy intake, as well as improvement of behavioural adherence to reduced energy intake. This will go a long way to ensure that weight loss is achieved and maintained to gain health benefits. Guidance on macronutrient composition to meet nutritional requirements and prevent disease [12]–[15] remains integral to healthy sustainable weight management.0 -
I think a large part of that is that the huge initial drop a lot of people see when they switch to low carb gives them unrealistically high expectations for the coming months. We see a lot of people here saying they've stalled when they've lost like 7 lbs in a month.I have noticed a trend with people who post about their weight loss stalling is that they are all on low carb diets.0 -
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0100652
FTA:
Our results show that the weight loss in overweight and obese subjects with or without diabetes on isoenergetic low CHO or balanced weight loss diets was similar at 3–6 months and at 1–2 years. Thus, the weight loss is the result of a reduction in total dietary energy intake rather than manipulation of macronutrient contribution. It follows that when considering dietary strategies for weight loss, less emphasis should be placed on an ‘ideal’ macronutrient composition and more emphasis on reduction in total energy intake, as well as improvement of behavioural adherence to reduced energy intake. This will go a long way to ensure that weight loss is achieved and maintained to gain health benefits. Guidance on macronutrient composition to meet nutritional requirements and prevent disease [12]–[15] remains integral to healthy sustainable weight management.
The problem with that study is they call anything under 40% carbs "low carb". Eating a pretty aggressive deficit, that means I'd be eating up to 200g+ of carbs and being counted as low carb. The one study they considered (Lim) that considered that involved a ketogenic-level of carb restriction showed better success in terms of weight loss for the low carb dieters (although Lim itself is more focused on the notion that dietary adherence sucks for the most part and how to help improve adherence). That said, it's hard to argue with their conclusion that calorie-restriction is the most important aspect of any diet.0 -
I know that when I hit a plateau I go to a two weeks of 15 -20 net carbs. But normally I prefer to be around 50-60 carbs. Under 13 months I have lost 157pounds I consider that to mean it is working. I have had cheat meals...and do not gain. Because I know how to be healthy and still have fun with my food.0
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Not ignoring metabolic issues that can be addressed. Just not willing to debate with a wall who prefers to use that all as an excuse and allow everyone to play the victim. You are the queen spokeswoman for the MFP pity party. You're not worth my time or effort.
No. What you fail to realize is that we are talking about 2 different things that at the end of the day for our situations go hand in hand.Don't bother. This is an old argument that gets done over and over again. Some will say it's all purely CICO and then in the next breath talk about macros and micros. They don't see the inherent contradiction that if micros and macros are important, then it can't be all about CICO only. The way most try to reconcile it is by making this silly differentiation between health and weight loss, and even that doesn't fully reconcile the contradictions.
If I simply wanted to lose weight I would eat at a deficit, simple. I wouldn't bother with food selection or macros, if pure weight loss was my goal.
However, my goal isn't pure weight loss. It's body composition and overall health. Being stronger and seeking full vanity goals that I desire. Simple. And yes for that paying attention to macro and micronutrients are important.
You seem to think that if someone says the one thing then they say the other then they are contradicting themselves. With that said, I won't really waste my time with you because as always it will eventually turn into a conversation on how diabetes, PCOS, blah, bla, blah. Sorry boring circle with you.
I know, all those other situations and examples that don't fit into your nice little black and white world. Continue to ignore them and think that weight loss is this simple black and white situation for everyone -- or that your personal experience applies to everyone. Ignore the fact that if you lose different proportions of muscle versus fat, the number on the scale is different. Ignore complex hormonal issues, which we're only starting to scratch the surface of in research. Whatever makes you feel safe and secure regardless of the objective reality. But continue to use things like IFing yourself, which acknowledge these things. Nope, no contradiction and hypocrisy there. None at all.
Talk about defamatory statements. Feel free to ignore my posts -- remember, you responded to me, not the other way around. But not hypocritical there either.
I'm about getting the best information to people. CICO is a great guideline, but it's not perfect nor absolute. And getting information out there to people that are frustrated to help them optimize their results is my goal. It's about working smarter, not unnecessarily harder.
What is smarter for any individual varies -- some will fare better with more carbs, some will fare better with less carbs. Protein helps maintain LBM in a deficit. If they're having trouble with a deficit, look to other issues that may impact them as there are quite a few out there. Thyroid 8% of the US population. PCOS 5-10% of the US female population. Insulin resistance over 40% of US adults at prediabetic or diabetic levels.
Those are important issue, especially because so many of them are unknown or undiagnosed. And because they often contribute to weight gain or make it difficult to lose without some adjustments to CICO, the numbers are probably even higher for those looking to lose weight.
This complicates things and makes people expand their perspectives of their nice black and white world. But, it helps people who actually have these issues to know that they aren't necessarily doing something inherently wrong. There may simply be a better system for them as individuals. They aren't necessarily lazy, not working hard or want pity parties as people like you will throw around. Why you feel the need to denigrate people is beyond me. It seems to speak to a bigger psychological issue you must have to put others down or insist that your truth is the only truth.
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Yes it does if you have diabetes, insulin resistance, PCOS, etc.0
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I know that when I hit a plateau I go to a two weeks of 15 -20 net carbs. But normally I prefer to be around 50-60 carbs. Under 13 months I have lost 157pounds I consider that to mean it is working. I have had cheat meals...and do not gain. Because I know how to be healthy and still have fun with my food.
That’s weird, I have lost roughly 200 pounds, when I do low carb I stall out. I guess this means low carb doesn’t work.
Side note to all the people who talk about “low carb and insulin resistances.” Low carb diets cause insulin resistance in themselves. It’s called physiological insulin resistances. What happens when you don’t eat carbs for a long time? Your body adapts to the lower carb intake. Once you eat more carbs (normal intake) your body can’t handle it, it doesn’t produce enough insulin. There you are, insulin resistances due to low carb diets.
I won’t say anything about T3, one of the most important hormones that effect metabolic rate produced in the thyroid. How low carbs also lower T3 production which slow down metabolic rate.
False. Insulin resistance is when the pancreas overproduces insulin…………..0 -
I know that when I hit a plateau I go to a two weeks of 15 -20 net carbs. But normally I prefer to be around 50-60 carbs. Under 13 months I have lost 157pounds I consider that to mean it is working. I have had cheat meals...and do not gain. Because I know how to be healthy and still have fun with my food.
That’s weird, I have lost roughly 200 pounds, when I do low carb I stall out. I guess this means low carb doesn’t work.
Side note to all the people who talk about “low carb and insulin resistances.” Low carb diets cause insulin resistance in themselves. It’s called physiological insulin resistances. What happens when you don’t eat carbs for a long time? Your body adapts to the lower carb intake. Once you eat more carbs (normal intake) your body can’t handle it, it doesn’t produce enough insulin. There you are, insulin resistances due to low carb diets.
I won’t say anything about T3, one of the most important hormones that effect metabolic rate produced in the thyroid. How low carbs also lower T3 production which slow down metabolic rate.
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I know that when I hit a plateau I go to a two weeks of 15 -20 net carbs. But normally I prefer to be around 50-60 carbs. Under 13 months I have lost 157pounds I consider that to mean it is working. I have had cheat meals...and do not gain. Because I know how to be healthy and still have fun with my food.
That’s weird, I have lost roughly 200 pounds, when I do low carb I stall out. I guess this means low carb doesn’t work.
Side note to all the people who talk about “low carb and insulin resistances.” Low carb diets cause insulin resistance in themselves. It’s called physiological insulin resistances. What happens when you don’t eat carbs for a long time? Your body adapts to the lower carb intake. Once you eat more carbs (normal intake) your body can’t handle it, it doesn’t produce enough insulin. There you are, insulin resistances due to low carb diets.
I won’t say anything about T3, one of the most important hormones that effect metabolic rate produced in the thyroid. How low carbs also lower T3 production which slow down metabolic rate.
False. Insulin resistance is when the pancreas overproduces insulin…………..
What came first the chicken or the egg?
Your body doesn’t produce enough insulin as before to handle the carbs so the pancreases makes more insulin than before.
In that case...
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