Is losing weight all about caloric deficits?

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  • jaywolo
    jaywolo Posts: 4
    1) A calorie is a calorie.

    2) Calories in/calories out. Law of physics.

    Weight loss is a multi-billion-dollar industry based upon second-grade math.

    This is not true. I'm guessing you're trying to invoke the laws of thermodynamics. The second law of thermodynamics contradicts calorie in vs calorie out. Here is a link to read, although no one ever reads these- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC506782/

    last I checked they were not teaching entropy calculation in second grade
    So I can eat 6000 calories of clean holy food and not gain an ounce? Can I eat 1500 calories of total "crap" and gain weight with my maintenance calories being 2500?
    That's what you got out of that link?:flowerforyou:
    My thoughts exactly!
  • ge105
    ge105 Posts: 268 Member
    I refuse to believe ice cream has calories. I reject your reality and substitute my own.

    :flowerforyou:
  • charlieibeling
    charlieibeling Posts: 93 Member
    1) A calorie is a calorie.

    2) Calories in/calories out. Law of physics.

    Weight loss is a multi-billion-dollar industry based upon second-grade math.


    This is not true. I'm guessing you're trying to invoke the laws of thermodynamics. The second law of thermodynamics contradicts calorie in vs calorie out. Here is a link to read, although no one ever reads these- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC506782/

    last I checked they were not teaching entropy calculation in second grade
    So I can eat 6000 calories of clean holy food and not gain an ounce? Can I eat 1500 calories of total "crap" and gain weight with my maintenance calories being 2500?
    That's what you got out of that link?:flowerforyou:
    My thoughts exactly!

    the link has nothing to do with clean vs dirty eating. these terms are subjective and cannot be scientifically quantified. It merely addresses the arguement people make that calorie in/out is supported by the laws of thermodynamics which it is not. The article does cite research showing that the body shows more thermogenesis with isocaloric amounts of protein than with fat and carbs. that alone suggests there is more to weight loss than calorie in/out
  • charlieibeling
    charlieibeling Posts: 93 Member
    Not always. Hormones play a huge role in weight loss. I've seen lots of people do near starvation diets while doing 2 hours of cardio a day and not lose weight. Leptin plays a big role. If your leptin levels are high you will lose more weight than low levels while calories in/out remain the same

    Uh. No.

    um yes because i have trained them
  • RGv2
    RGv2 Posts: 5,789 Member
    Not always. Hormones play a huge role in weight loss. I've seen lots of people do near starvation diets while doing 2 hours of cardio a day and not lose weight. Leptin plays a big role. If your leptin levels are high you will lose more weight than low levels while calories in/out remain the same

    Uh. No.

    um yes because i have trained them

    In..

    How large of a deficit are you claiming these clients are running while not losing weight to get Starvation + Cardio =/= weightloss.
  • 6ftamazon
    6ftamazon Posts: 340 Member
    Not always. Hormones play a huge role in weight loss. I've seen lots of people do near starvation diets while doing 2 hours of cardio a day and not lose weight. Leptin plays a big role. If your leptin levels are high you will lose more weight than low levels while calories in/out remain the same

    Uh. No.

    um yes because i have trained them

    I can almost guarantee they're lying to you about what they ate. I used to binge eat and drink a lot. You'd never get me to admit to my trainer at the time though.
  • charlieibeling
    charlieibeling Posts: 93 Member
    Not always. Hormones play a huge role in weight loss. I've seen lots of people do near starvation diets while doing 2 hours of cardio a day and not lose weight. Leptin plays a big role. If your leptin levels are high you will lose more weight than low levels while calories in/out remain the same

    Uh. No.

    um yes because i have trained them

    I can almost guarantee they're lying to you about what they ate. I used to binge eat and drink a lot. You'd never get me to admit to my trainer at the time though.

    these were people i were training for competitions so I know they were not lying as we would spend tons of time going over contest prep. I know one girl was eating less than I wanted. She came to me with a shot metabolism and about a month out of her bikini competition i had her on about 1100 calories doing cardio in the morning and and evening session without dropping any weight. I know this is a much more extreme example than most peoples routines but it just goes to show how little we understand weight loss and what is really happening inside the body.
  • 6ftamazon
    6ftamazon Posts: 340 Member
    Not always. Hormones play a huge role in weight loss. I've seen lots of people do near starvation diets while doing 2 hours of cardio a day and not lose weight. Leptin plays a big role. If your leptin levels are high you will lose more weight than low levels while calories in/out remain the same

    Uh. No.

    um yes because i have trained them

    I can almost guarantee they're lying to you about what they ate. I used to binge eat and drink a lot. You'd never get me to admit to my trainer at the time though.

    these were people i were training for competitions so I know they were not lying as we would spend tons of time going over contest prep. I know one girl was eating less than I wanted. She came to me with a shot metabolism and about a month out of her bikini competition i had her on about 1100 calories doing cardio in the morning and and evening session without dropping any weight. I know this is a much more extreme example than most peoples routines but it just goes to show how little we understand weight loss and what is really happening inside the body.

    Fair enough :). Nutrition and weight loss is definitely complex and there isn't a one solution fix.
  • RGv2
    RGv2 Posts: 5,789 Member
    Not always. Hormones play a huge role in weight loss. I've seen lots of people do near starvation diets while doing 2 hours of cardio a day and not lose weight. Leptin plays a big role. If your leptin levels are high you will lose more weight than low levels while calories in/out remain the same

    Uh. No.

    um yes because i have trained them

    I can almost guarantee they're lying to you about what they ate. I used to binge eat and drink a lot. You'd never get me to admit to my trainer at the time though.

    these were people i were training for competitions so I know they were not lying as we would spend tons of time going over contest prep. I know one girl was eating less than I wanted. She came to me with a shot metabolism and about a month out of her bikini competition i had her on about 1100 calories doing cardio in the morning and and evening session without dropping any weight. I know this is a much more extreme example than most peoples routines but it just goes to show how little we understand weight loss and what is really happening inside the body.

    So, your client was netting about....what...500 calories and not losing weight if I read this right? Even if I read this wrong and she's at 1100 net she had to be in over a 1000 calorie deficit....and you're claiming she didn't lose weight. hmmmmmmm.....sure.

    Let's say that metabolic damage WAS in play here. You just used a severe example to try to move the goal posts, and basically admitted it wasn't about WHAT she was eating it was trying to figure out her CICO equation that was failing. I don't know why someone would be training somebody and advising 1100 calories and 2hrs of cardio a day....but that a morals question someone else can answer.

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