What do YOU think

jmv7117

Is she really promoting VLCDs or is it more perceived that she is promoting them? I'm on the forums a lot. I've seen post from here mainly saying 'check out my profile and if you like what you see, send a FR'. Until today, that is all I saw from her then the "First Amendment" comments of today. So someone has checked out her diary and put two and two together then extrapolating to her promoting VLCDs when in fact she is only presumably eating one. I still maintain that unless she was actively promoting VLCDs then what or how much she eats is no one's business. If someone is concerned that an unhealthy weight loss method is being promoted, it should be reported. Obviously, she is still allowed to post to the forums so if reported has either stopped or she wasn't promoting in the first place. The whole issue becomes a non-issue with a closed diary and staying within what is allowed on the forums. If that is not an option, not participating in the forums is always an option.

People who ask about doing vlcd type "diets" get a "You go for it! Don't let the naysayers get you down" from her.

She gets around being reported because she avoids directly telling them 1000cals and less are okay. I'm more worried about those she gets to friend her because I can only imagine what kind of advice and support she's giving them. And it's from comments like she makes in regards to VLCD is how she's making friends.

Fair enough and cause for concern. Unfortunately, there is little that can be done unless she is actively promoting VLCDs. She obviously knows how to play the game. This type of thing happens even behind the scenes without anyone being any wiser to it. Members can send PM or FR to those asking about unhealthy dieting methods without ever being vocal in the forums.

Meerataila

The people who brag of losing weight while eating a diet consists of highly palatable foods with low nutrient density (popularly called junk food), do not brag of eating solely junk food. If you disagree with this, show me where somebody has said "I only eat pop tarts" and not "I ate three pop tarts this morning." Because if we are talking about poptarts, we're talking about Jonnythan, who also eats like 8 servings of vegetables a day. Most people making these claims have open diaries and you can clearly see the fact that they eat a pretty balanced diet.

True. But a lot of MFP's biggest poptart pushers (kidding, I love you guys anyway!) are extremely buff, clearly work out regularly and hard, often have active jobs, are young, and most seem to be male.

They have much higher caloric needs than for example, my little sedentary skinnyfat 5'3 old woman self. Which means they can get all their nutritious foods in every day and still eat tons of junkfood.

Good for them. But not for me.

Actually, I see the biggest poptart pushers (aka eat in moderation people) are actually a good mix of genders, most in their 30's and 40's (some even older too), and have sedentary jobs. The only difference, really, is that they choose to work out in order to be fit. And by workout, I don't mean necessarily balls out/hardcore run a 10k or do 2 hours at the gym 5 days a week thing..but 30-45 minutes 3-5 days a week of whatever exercise they choose - including just going out on a walk.

To get all my nutrients, even with a multivitamin, and then have one serving of what was until yesterday my favorite ice cream and cupcake combination for dessert, I'd have to burn off approximately 500 calories (I do like large portion sizes, and to me that is practicing moderation, what I'd actually eat would require a much bigger investment).

In an hour of walking I burn 150 calories, maybe, if I walk fast? So nope, wouldn't work for me. But after yesterday I learned I feel physically much better without ice cream and cake anyway, so I don't mind.

I have foods that I like to consume in mass quantities as well. Sushi springs to mind. At least 1100 calories, so probably comparable with your dessert.

I eat a chirashi bowl about once every two months.

Oh see now I have no issue with mixing up a big bowl of home made trail mix and going to town every month or two. I've just recently found out that both for my digestion and calorie allotment, I definitely don't need to be doing it once a week or more!

likitisplit

The people who brag of losing weight while eating a diet consists of highly palatable foods with low nutrient density (popularly called junk food), do not brag of eating solely junk food. If you disagree with this, show me where somebody has said "I only eat pop tarts" and not "I ate three pop tarts this morning." Because if we are talking about poptarts, we're talking about Jonnythan, who also eats like 8 servings of vegetables a day. Most people making these claims have open diaries and you can clearly see the fact that they eat a pretty balanced diet.

True. But a lot of MFP's biggest poptart pushers (kidding, I love you guys anyway!) are extremely buff, clearly work out regularly and hard, often have active jobs, are young, and most seem to be male.

They have much higher caloric needs than for example, my little sedentary skinnyfat 5'3 old woman self. Which means they can get all their nutritious foods in every day and still eat tons of junkfood.

Good for them. But not for me.

Actually, I see the biggest poptart pushers (aka eat in moderation people) are actually a good mix of genders, most in their 30's and 40's (some even older too), and have sedentary jobs. The only difference, really, is that they choose to work out in order to be fit. And by workout, I don't mean necessarily balls out/hardcore run a 10k or do 2 hours at the gym 5 days a week thing..but 30-45 minutes 3-5 days a week of whatever exercise they choose - including just going out on a walk.

To get all my nutrients, even with a multivitamin, and then have one serving of what was until yesterday my favorite ice cream and cupcake combination for dessert, I'd have to burn off approximately 500 calories (I do like large portion sizes, and to me that is practicing moderation, what I'd actually eat would require a much bigger investment).

In an hour of walking I burn 150 calories, maybe, if I walk fast? So nope, wouldn't work for me. But after yesterday I learned I feel physically much better without ice cream and cake anyway, so I don't mind.

I have foods that I like to consume in mass quantities as well. Sushi springs to mind. At least 1100 calories, so probably comparable with your dessert.

I eat a chirashi bowl about once every two months.

Oh see now I have no issue with mixing up a big bowl of home made trail mix and going to town every month or two. I've just recently found out that both for my digestion and calorie allotment, I definitely don't need to be doing it once a week or more!

It is a sad fact that we do need to learn what "moderation" means for us.

I get the mini Joy icecream cones and split an individual portion of Blue Bell with my two kids. "Enough" just doesn't look as appealing as "all of it." However, I've learned over the past couple of years that enough really is satisfying, even if it isn't as visually appealing. There are a lot of things you'll learn to cut back on so you can still get what you need within reasonable limits.

I get the McDouble Kids Meal, even if my heart cries out for the Bacon Clubhouse. It's two pieces of pizza, not the whole pie.

Then there's other things that will get reserved for special occasions: I can't be having sushi every week.

I spent the first 6 months on here asking "where did all these fit people come from and why couldn't I look like them?" And then I realized that a whole bunch of them started off with a significant amount to lose and got to where they got by doing the same things I was doing. They'd just been doing it for longer.

As a matter of fact, Hanford Rose just posted swimsuit pics and I fully expect you to be doing it in a year or two as well.

Meerataila

It is a sad fact that we do need to learn what "moderation" means for us.

I get the mini Joy icecream cones and split an individual portion of Blue Bell with my two kids. "Enough" just doesn't look as appealing as "all of it." However, I've learned over the past couple of years that enough really is satisfying, even if it isn't as visually appealing. There are a lot of things you'll learn to cut back on so you can still get what you need within reasonable limits.

I get the McDouble Kids Meal, even if my heart cries out for the Bacon Clubhouse. It's two pieces of pizza, not the whole pie.

Then there's other things that will get reserved for special occasions: I can't be having sushi every week.

I spent the first 6 months on here asking "where did all these fit people come from and why couldn't I look like them?" And then I realized that a whole bunch of them started off with a significant amount to lose and got to where they got by doing the same things I was doing. They'd just been doing it for longer.

As a matter of fact, Hanford Rose just posted swimsuit pics and I fully expect you to be doing it in a year or two as well.

Well if 'moderation' is a feast on trailmix once a month or so, it's not a dirty word anymore, because I won't have to eat a handful and walk away. Sign me up for that definition of moderation!

I definitely hope to have some amazing after pics before I'm through. So tired of skinnyfat!

likitisplit

It is a sad fact that we do need to learn what "moderation" means for us.

I get the mini Joy icecream cones and split an individual portion of Blue Bell with my two kids. "Enough" just doesn't look as appealing as "all of it." However, I've learned over the past couple of years that enough really is satisfying, even if it isn't as visually appealing. There are a lot of things you'll learn to cut back on so you can still get what you need within reasonable limits.

I get the McDouble Kids Meal, even if my heart cries out for the Bacon Clubhouse. It's two pieces of pizza, not the whole pie.

Then there's other things that will get reserved for special occasions: I can't be having sushi every week.

I spent the first 6 months on here asking "where did all these fit people come from and why couldn't I look like them?" And then I realized that a whole bunch of them started off with a significant amount to lose and got to where they got by doing the same things I was doing. They'd just been doing it for longer.

As a matter of fact, Hanford Rose just posted swimsuit pics and I fully expect you to be doing it in a year or two as well.

Well if 'moderation' is a feast on trailmix once a month or so, it's not a dirty word anymore, because I won't have to eat a handful and walk away. Sign me up for that definition of moderation!

I definitely hope to have some amazing after pics before I'm through. So tired of skinnyfat!

Moderation can mean a lot of different things. I did an informal survey on here and have been meaning to turn it into a blog post. There are a number of successful practices.

You know, you CAN save up calories for special events. And going over a couple of times a year isn't going to blow everything you do. As a matter of fact, if you're doing a progressive resistance program, the extra calories have a fair chance of becoming muscle, not fat.

By the way, what is this "old woman" crap? I'm 42.

Meerataila

It is a sad fact that we do need to learn what "moderation" means for us.

I get the mini Joy icecream cones and split an individual portion of Blue Bell with my two kids. "Enough" just doesn't look as appealing as "all of it." However, I've learned over the past couple of years that enough really is satisfying, even if it isn't as visually appealing. There are a lot of things you'll learn to cut back on so you can still get what you need within reasonable limits.

I get the McDouble Kids Meal, even if my heart cries out for the Bacon Clubhouse. It's two pieces of pizza, not the whole pie.

Then there's other things that will get reserved for special occasions: I can't be having sushi every week.

I spent the first 6 months on here asking "where did all these fit people come from and why couldn't I look like them?" And then I realized that a whole bunch of them started off with a significant amount to lose and got to where they got by doing the same things I was doing. They'd just been doing it for longer.

As a matter of fact, Hanford Rose just posted swimsuit pics and I fully expect you to be doing it in a year or two as well.

Well if 'moderation' is a feast on trailmix once a month or so, it's not a dirty word anymore, because I won't have to eat a handful and walk away. Sign me up for that definition of moderation!

I definitely hope to have some amazing after pics before I'm through. So tired of skinnyfat!

Moderation can mean a lot of different things. I did an informal survey on here and have been meaning to turn it into a blog post. There are a number of successful practices.

You know, you CAN save up calories for special events. And going over a couple of times a year isn't going to blow everything you do. As a matter of fact, if you're doing a progressive resistance program, the extra calories have a fair chance of becoming muscle, not fat.

I think it would make an excellent blog post and thread starter.

If I can get my spine and knees to behave, I will be upping my calorie intake happily anyway, and if that means more trailmix more often and muscle from it instead of fat, I will be a very happy human. But I'll have to see what my limitations end up being.

likitisplit

It is a sad fact that we do need to learn what "moderation" means for us.

I get the mini Joy icecream cones and split an individual portion of Blue Bell with my two kids. "Enough" just doesn't look as appealing as "all of it." However, I've learned over the past couple of years that enough really is satisfying, even if it isn't as visually appealing. There are a lot of things you'll learn to cut back on so you can still get what you need within reasonable limits.

I get the McDouble Kids Meal, even if my heart cries out for the Bacon Clubhouse. It's two pieces of pizza, not the whole pie.

Then there's other things that will get reserved for special occasions: I can't be having sushi every week.

I spent the first 6 months on here asking "where did all these fit people come from and why couldn't I look like them?" And then I realized that a whole bunch of them started off with a significant amount to lose and got to where they got by doing the same things I was doing. They'd just been doing it for longer.

As a matter of fact, Hanford Rose just posted swimsuit pics and I fully expect you to be doing it in a year or two as well.

Well if 'moderation' is a feast on trailmix once a month or so, it's not a dirty word anymore, because I won't have to eat a handful and walk away. Sign me up for that definition of moderation!

I definitely hope to have some amazing after pics before I'm through. So tired of skinnyfat!

Moderation can mean a lot of different things. I did an informal survey on here and have been meaning to turn it into a blog post. There are a number of successful practices.

You know, you CAN save up calories for special events. And going over a couple of times a year isn't going to blow everything you do. As a matter of fact, if you're doing a progressive resistance program, the extra calories have a fair chance of becoming muscle, not fat.

I think it would make an excellent blog post and thread starter.

If I can get my spine and knees to behave, I will be upping my calorie intake happily anyway, and if that means more trailmix more often and muscle from it instead of fat, I will be a very happy human. But I'll have to see what my limitations end up being.

Woo hoo. I'll send positive, yet stern, thoughts toward your spine and knees.

Meerataila

It is a sad fact that we do need to learn what "moderation" means for us.

I get the mini Joy icecream cones and split an individual portion of Blue Bell with my two kids. "Enough" just doesn't look as appealing as "all of it." However, I've learned over the past couple of years that enough really is satisfying, even if it isn't as visually appealing. There are a lot of things you'll learn to cut back on so you can still get what you need within reasonable limits.

I get the McDouble Kids Meal, even if my heart cries out for the Bacon Clubhouse. It's two pieces of pizza, not the whole pie.

Then there's other things that will get reserved for special occasions: I can't be having sushi every week.

I spent the first 6 months on here asking "where did all these fit people come from and why couldn't I look like them?" And then I realized that a whole bunch of them started off with a significant amount to lose and got to where they got by doing the same things I was doing. They'd just been doing it for longer.

As a matter of fact, Hanford Rose just posted swimsuit pics and I fully expect you to be doing it in a year or two as well.

Well if 'moderation' is a feast on trailmix once a month or so, it's not a dirty word anymore, because I won't have to eat a handful and walk away. Sign me up for that definition of moderation!

I definitely hope to have some amazing after pics before I'm through. So tired of skinnyfat!

Moderation can mean a lot of different things. I did an informal survey on here and have been meaning to turn it into a blog post. There are a number of successful practices.

You know, you CAN save up calories for special events. And going over a couple of times a year isn't going to blow everything you do. As a matter of fact, if you're doing a progressive resistance program, the extra calories have a fair chance of becoming muscle, not fat.

I think it would make an excellent blog post and thread starter.

If I can get my spine and knees to behave, I will be upping my calorie intake happily anyway, and if that means more trailmix more often and muscle from it instead of fat, I will be a very happy human. But I'll have to see what my limitations end up being.

Woo hoo. I'll send positive, yet stern, thoughts toward your spine and knees.

Haha, thanks! Need all the help I can get.

I just heard a great quote from a nutrition lecturer (Ellen Hughes): "Dying young as late as possible."

It's going to become my new primary goal in life. Although I still want to get rid of my gut! I figure long life and good health will depend on every factor imaginable, so it covers it all, including of course my ongoing world conquest plot. :devil:

likitisplit

It is a sad fact that we do need to learn what "moderation" means for us.

I get the mini Joy icecream cones and split an individual portion of Blue Bell with my two kids. "Enough" just doesn't look as appealing as "all of it." However, I've learned over the past couple of years that enough really is satisfying, even if it isn't as visually appealing. There are a lot of things you'll learn to cut back on so you can still get what you need within reasonable limits.

I get the McDouble Kids Meal, even if my heart cries out for the Bacon Clubhouse. It's two pieces of pizza, not the whole pie.

Then there's other things that will get reserved for special occasions: I can't be having sushi every week.

I spent the first 6 months on here asking "where did all these fit people come from and why couldn't I look like them?" And then I realized that a whole bunch of them started off with a significant amount to lose and got to where they got by doing the same things I was doing. They'd just been doing it for longer.

As a matter of fact, Hanford Rose just posted swimsuit pics and I fully expect you to be doing it in a year or two as well.

Well if 'moderation' is a feast on trailmix once a month or so, it's not a dirty word anymore, because I won't have to eat a handful and walk away. Sign me up for that definition of moderation!

I definitely hope to have some amazing after pics before I'm through. So tired of skinnyfat!

Moderation can mean a lot of different things. I did an informal survey on here and have been meaning to turn it into a blog post. There are a number of successful practices.

You know, you CAN save up calories for special events. And going over a couple of times a year isn't going to blow everything you do. As a matter of fact, if you're doing a progressive resistance program, the extra calories have a fair chance of becoming muscle, not fat.

I think it would make an excellent blog post and thread starter.

If I can get my spine and knees to behave, I will be upping my calorie intake happily anyway, and if that means more trailmix more often and muscle from it instead of fat, I will be a very happy human. But I'll have to see what my limitations end up being.

Woo hoo. I'll send positive, yet stern, thoughts toward your spine and knees.

Haha, thanks! Need all the help I can get.

I just heard a great quote from a nutrition lecturer (Ellen Hughes): "Dying young as late as possible."

It's going to become my new primary goal in life. Although I still want to get rid of my gut! I figure long life and good health will depend on every factor imaginable, so it covers it all, including of course my ongoing world conquest plot. :devil:

Basically yeah. Fit trumps skinny. And fit is ALL about consistency.

tart_of_darkness

Truly, it's amazing the contortions people will go through to make criticizing what others eat their own business. Really. If you don't like low calorie diets, don't eat one.

And while I wouldn't call it censorship, there are a lot of offensive opinions held by the majority of users on this site that then become a sort of quasi-rule. When you go against said opinions, you get reported.

likitisplit

Truly, it's amazing the contortions people will go through to make criticizing what others eat their own business. Really. If you don't like low calorie diets, don't eat one.

And while I wouldn't call it censorship, there are a lot of offensive opinions held by the majority of users on this site that then become a sort of quasi-rule. When you go against said opinions, you get reported.

Promoting VLCDs are against the terms of service, not a quasi-rule opinion held by the majority of users. If you don't want to get reported, don't promote them.

Sabine_Stroehm

Truly, it's amazing the contortions people will go through to make criticizing what others eat their own business. Really. If you don't like low calorie diets, don't eat one.

And while I wouldn't call it censorship, there are a lot of offensive opinions held by the majority of users on this site that then become a sort of quasi-rule. When you go against said opinions, you get reported.

such as? Don't eat 500 calories a day?

ILiftHeavyAcrylics

Truly, it's amazing the contortions people will go through to make criticizing what others eat their own business. Really. If you don't like low calorie diets, don't eat one.

And while I wouldn't call it censorship, there are a lot of offensive opinions held by the majority of users on this site that then become a sort of quasi-rule. When you go against said opinions, you get reported.

meh

ILiftHeavyAcrylics

It is a sad fact that we do need to learn what "moderation" means for us.

I get the mini Joy icecream cones and split an individual portion of Blue Bell with my two kids. "Enough" just doesn't look as appealing as "all of it." However, I've learned over the past couple of years that enough really is satisfying, even if it isn't as visually appealing. There are a lot of things you'll learn to cut back on so you can still get what you need within reasonable limits.

I get the McDouble Kids Meal, even if my heart cries out for the Bacon Clubhouse. It's two pieces of pizza, not the whole pie.

Then there's other things that will get reserved for special occasions: I can't be having sushi every week.

I spent the first 6 months on here asking "where did all these fit people come from and why couldn't I look like them?" And then I realized that a whole bunch of them started off with a significant amount to lose and got to where they got by doing the same things I was doing. They'd just been doing it for longer.

As a matter of fact, Hanford Rose just posted swimsuit pics and I fully expect you to be doing it in a year or two as well.

Well if 'moderation' is a feast on trailmix once a month or so, it's not a dirty word anymore, because I won't have to eat a handful and walk away. Sign me up for that definition of moderation!

I definitely hope to have some amazing after pics before I'm through. So tired of skinnyfat!

I don't see anything wrong with that definition of moderation. I have friends who practice moderation by only eating dessert when they're "out" someplace, or by only going to a buffet on special occasions, and to me that's just as much moderation as my nightly serving of ice cream. :drinker:

hookilau

Truly, it's amazing the contortions people will go through to make criticizing what others eat their own business. Really. If you don't like low calorie diets, don't eat one.

And while I wouldn't call it censorship, there are a lot of offensive opinions held by the majority of users on this site that then become a sort of quasi-rule. When you go against said opinions, you get reported.

meh

mean people
people are just plain meeean!

ILiftHeavyAcrylics

Truly, it's amazing the contortions people will go through to make criticizing what others eat their own business. Really. If you don't like low calorie diets, don't eat one.

And while I wouldn't call it censorship, there are a lot of offensive opinions held by the majority of users on this site that then become a sort of quasi-rule. When you go against said opinions, you get reported.

meh

mean people
people are just plain meeean!

I'm the Chief Meanie

3dogsrunning

Truly, it's amazing the contortions people will go through to make criticizing what others eat their own business. Really. If you don't like low calorie diets, don't eat one.

And while I wouldn't call it censorship, there are a lot of offensive opinions held by the majority of users on this site that then become a sort of quasi-rule. When you go against said opinions, you get reported.

Promoting VLCDs are against the terms of service, not a quasi-rule opinion held by the majority of users. If you don't want to get reported, don't promote them.

Just to add - just because someone is reported does not mean that their post will be removed or that they will be penalized. If the mods deem it a violation it will.

likitisplit

Truly, it's amazing the contortions people will go through to make criticizing what others eat their own business. Really. If you don't like low calorie diets, don't eat one.

And while I wouldn't call it censorship, there are a lot of offensive opinions held by the majority of users on this site that then become a sort of quasi-rule. When you go against said opinions, you get reported.

meh

mean people
people are just plain meeean!

I'm am the Chief Meanie

Did Jonnythan step down when he went to med school?

3dogsrunning

Truly, it's amazing the contortions people will go through to make criticizing what others eat their own business. Really. If you don't like low calorie diets, don't eat one.

And while I wouldn't call it censorship, there are a lot of offensive opinions held by the majority of users on this site that then become a sort of quasi-rule. When you go against said opinions, you get reported.

meh

mean people
people are just plain meeean!

I'm am the Chief Meanie

I'm glad you finally admit it.

ILiftHeavyAcrylics

Truly, it's amazing the contortions people will go through to make criticizing what others eat their own business. Really. If you don't like low calorie diets, don't eat one.

And while I wouldn't call it censorship, there are a lot of offensive opinions held by the majority of users on this site that then become a sort of quasi-rule. When you go against said opinions, you get reported.

meh

mean people
people are just plain meeean!

I'm am the Chief Meanie

Did Jonnythan step down when he went to med school?

Yep he left me a crown and everything.

hookilau

likitisplit

Truly, it's amazing the contortions people will go through to make criticizing what others eat their own business. Really. If you don't like low calorie diets, don't eat one.

And while I wouldn't call it censorship, there are a lot of offensive opinions held by the majority of users on this site that then become a sort of quasi-rule. When you go against said opinions, you get reported.

meh

mean people
people are just plain meeean!

I'm am the Chief Meanie

Did Jonnythan step down when he went to med school?

Yep he left me a crown and everything.

But not his Taco Bell royalties?