Keto Diet is king for droping lbs
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I am confused how one can consider muscle building mode to be 10% protein intake?0
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FYI...Regarding your profile information:Robin Williams committed suicide, he did not die from poor health
I don't think anyone knows the truth yet, he only died so autopsy not carried out.
as for the original op* post way to long [TLTR], and i have to say that unless you are in competitive mode this style of eating is dangerous which is why you can only do for three months, cant be healthy eating then in my opinion.
I've been doing keto for over a year now. Not dead yet.1 -
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i dont think keto is dangerous, but you do see how using the argument that you are alive while on keto doesnt prove that it isnt unhealthy, dont you?FYI...Regarding your profile information:Robin Williams committed suicide, he did not die from poor health
I don't think anyone knows the truth yet, he only died so autopsy not carried out.
as for the original op* post way to long [TLTR], and i have to say that unless you are in competitive mode this style of eating is dangerous which is why you can only do for three months, cant be healthy eating then in my opinion.
I've been doing keto for over a year now. Not dead yet.0 -
Way too extreme for me! I eat lower carb higher fat with approx:
15% carbs
20% protein
65% fat
The weight is dropping off and I still get to eat some veggies
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one could argue the suicide was brought on my poor mental health...
Yes, his mental health was obviously suffering, assuming it was suicide. I don't know of any evidence that diet can prevent the kind of crippling depression or anxiety that can lead to suicide. What we eat affects our mood, sure, but not to such an extreme level. If someone's diet was so poor that they felt like killing themselves over it, there were probably other factors in play. (Too weak, too malnourished to feel physically healthy, too depressed over obesity, along those lines.) I'm not arguing that it's impossible someone could eat such a poor diet to cause suicidal thoughts or feelings (as micronutrients can play crucial roles in the brain) but that severe of a deficiency is its own medical crisis. For the average person with depression, eating a keto diet (or vegan, which I am, Paleo, or "The Mood Cure Diet") is not going to prevent suicide or "cure" anyone of suicidal tendencies.0 -
Love this!0
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This sounds like the Ultimate Diet 20
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BUMP0
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TL;DR...strong first post..0
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FYI...Regarding your profile information:Robin Williams committed suicide, he did not die from poor health
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Stopped reading as soon as you said the weight loss doctor you consulted warned about "starvation mode".0
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Thanks for the afternoon giggle.0
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Way too extreme for me! I eat lower carb higher fat with approx:
15% carbs
20% protein
65% fat
The weight is dropping off and I still get to eat some veggies
I eat plenty of veggies! Broccoli, cauliflower, kale, peppers, squash, avocado, brussels sprouts... all of these are great! And I manage to stay at less than 20g net carbs per day! I avoid starchy and sugary veggies as much as possible, of course - but those have the least bang for your buck micronutrient-wise anyway!1 -
You eat lots of veggies on keto. It's required.1
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i dont think keto is dangerous, but you do see how using the argument that you are alive while on keto doesnt prove that it isnt unhealthy, dont you?FYI...Regarding your profile information:Robin Williams committed suicide, he did not die from poor health
I don't think anyone knows the truth yet, he only died so autopsy not carried out.
as for the original op* post way to long [TLTR], and i have to say that unless you are in competitive mode this style of eating is dangerous which is why you can only do for three months, cant be healthy eating then in my opinion.
I've been doing keto for over a year now. Not dead yet.
That's true, but if it was dangerous, wouldn't I be dead by now? lol0 -
OP is so jacked an tan I am IN!0
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Talks about broscience, gives temporary diet for losing weight that is used for cutting/bulking on a site where people can't keep 2 lbs off.
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Speaking of two extra pounds. How is your wife's cheeks doing?
Next time, though, you can ask her yourself - her Profile is MegSommer on here. She, too, is confident enough to have her own picture as her profile, so you can be mirin all day if that's your thing.
Does she go around trolling ED sufferers?
You know, now that I think of it, I think I have caught her on the Viagra website's forums making fun of those poor guys. ED is a terrible thing. Heartless, that one.
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Cuz I just want to be in.
Ditto.
Way too complicated... keep it simple.0 -
Keto is the only diet - the ONLY diet I have ever been able to stick to and the ONLY diet that has ever worked for me. I love it! I do not follow this plan as listed above, I do Atkins / Optimal Ketogenic Plan and it has been great! I never feel hungry because the fats and proteins keep me satisfied and that keeps the calories down naturally. I am a carb addict and not once have I cheated by eating sugar, popcorn, etc... because all of my cravings for that type of stuff have disappeared. I get healthy fats from olive oil, coconut oil, avocados, nuts and yes, I even get my fats from BACON! I keep my net carbs at or below 20 grams, fats about 100 - 120 grams and protein about 140 grams daily. I do NOT count calories I simply make sure they are not excessive by making wise food choices. I eat blueberries, cantaloupe, spinach, zucchini, cabbage, cauliflower, etc... so I am still getting in my fruits and veggies enough to stay satisfied and take a few supplements to fill in any gaps. My labs (yes, I get my blood drawn extensively every 6 months) are fantastic, even cholesterol, triglycerides, etc... Typical meals would be eggs and bacon for breakfast, chef salad for lunch and protein, veggie and salad for dinner. I have been through what feels like every diet in the book, most all of them based on counting calories and eating plenty of healthy carbs and barely any fat while being miserable and failing at each of them. And as for gaining weight after you stop following the diet, it isn't a diet it is a way of eating that I plan to follow for the rest of my life. Why would I stop something that is so easy to follow and workd so well. Once I reach my weight loss goals I simply start to add more healthy carbs back into my daily meals. Keto works for me. Maybe it isn't for everyone but don't discount those of us who are being successful and healthy because of it.
Don't take it personally. They do this to ANYONE who DARES to eat differently than they do. This site can be very anti-lowcarb. Sad, but true. The best way to deal with it is to roll your eyes and move on. That's what I do. I've been keto-ing for over a year. I lost 30ish lbs that would not budge on a normal eating plan where my carbs were way too high and my fat was way too low.
The site tends to be anti low-carb proselytizers. There's a difference.0 -
Stopped reading as soon as you said the weight loss doctor you consulted warned about "starvation mode".
lol that is exactly as far as i made it0 -
Keto is the only diet - the ONLY diet I have ever been able to stick to and the ONLY diet that has ever worked for me. I love it! I do not follow this plan as listed above, I do Atkins / Optimal Ketogenic Plan and it has been great! I never feel hungry because the fats and proteins keep me satisfied and that keeps the calories down naturally. I am a carb addict and not once have I cheated by eating sugar, popcorn, etc... because all of my cravings for that type of stuff have disappeared. I get healthy fats from olive oil, coconut oil, avocados, nuts and yes, I even get my fats from BACON! I keep my net carbs at or below 20 grams, fats about 100 - 120 grams and protein about 140 grams daily. I do NOT count calories I simply make sure they are not excessive by making wise food choices. I eat blueberries, cantaloupe, spinach, zucchini, cabbage, cauliflower, etc... so I am still getting in my fruits and veggies enough to stay satisfied and take a few supplements to fill in any gaps. My labs (yes, I get my blood drawn extensively every 6 months) are fantastic, even cholesterol, triglycerides, etc... Typical meals would be eggs and bacon for breakfast, chef salad for lunch and protein, veggie and salad for dinner. I have been through what feels like every diet in the book, most all of them based on counting calories and eating plenty of healthy carbs and barely any fat while being miserable and failing at each of them. And as for gaining weight after you stop following the diet, it isn't a diet it is a way of eating that I plan to follow for the rest of my life. Why would I stop something that is so easy to follow and workd so well. Once I reach my weight loss goals I simply start to add more healthy carbs back into my daily meals. Keto works for me. Maybe it isn't for everyone but don't discount those of us who are being successful and healthy because of it.
Don't take it personally. They do this to ANYONE who DARES to eat differently than they do. This site can be very anti-lowcarb. Sad, but true. The best way to deal with it is to roll your eyes and move on. That's what I do. I've been keto-ing for over a year. I lost 30ish lbs that would not budge on a normal eating plan where my carbs were way too high and my fat was way too low.
The site tends to be anti low-carb proselytizers. There's a difference.
That's pretty much what I meant by "they".0 -
To give an update on everybodies negative comments, this diet is a very good diet, for wieght loss, and fat loss. One might ask, after you do the diet you gain all the weight back?
-Lets check that? Read this article for plenty of references from doctors and dietitions.
http://authoritynutrition.com/10-benefits-of-low-carb-ketogenic-diets/
Here is the proof that low carb keto diet is king over the low fat diets or even the other diets out there. Now, Intermitten Fasting is a good diet, it actually can be done while on a keto diet, some of my friends do this diet and are very successful.
Also, the usual preference of less calories then you take in = fat loss is not totally true. I can update you on this, here,
http://home.trainingpeaks.com/blog/article/a-calorie-is-not-a-calorie
Very good articles. Reason why I advicate this diet is because carbs really do make you more hungry. Example, you eat lunch, have a soda, sandwich, and apple. Ok, this may not be a healthy lunch, but most people can say they have had this lunch before. The carbs you have gulped down, creates an insulin spike, which is a hormone that gets made when there is too much sugar in your blood, the insulin takes the sugar to all the areas of your body, then once those stores are filled, where does the rest of the sugar go, yes you got it, its get converted to Fat, if you want me to break down the process on how carbs get coverted let me know. Additionally, this insulin spike has now take too much sugar out of your bloodstream, making you have low blood sugar, you get tired after lunch. Remember how its hard to stay awake after you eat lunch, yep this is what has happened. To further this, after you feel tired, within an hour, you start to feel hungary because the carbs are processed and stored. The body now needs more energy, so now you are feeling hungary, so you eat a nice pastry to sooth the apitite. See how this can avalanch.
So, if you actually saw my links and read the studies, then you can say, I might not agree with you but you do have a very good point. Also, I would paste the links and information in here but people don't have time to sit and read 30 minutes on about diets and validation on why low carb keto diets are great for cutting lbs.1 -
But you don't have a very good point…..0
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OP - could you post some of your credentials and maybe some photos of yourself? It's hard to take you seriously since there are plenty of <10% body fat men on this board who have gotten that way eating a balanced diet.0
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god i loved the keto, and it loves me.
seriously, i never felt better and fat went off like crazy.0 -
Update, here is a study done, this is the shortened version, you can use the link to read the whole study. This is a little quicker read.
Long-term effects of a ketogenic diet in obese patients
Hussein M Dashti, MD PhD FICS FACS,1 Thazhumpal C Mathew, MSc PhD FRCPath,4 Talib Hussein, MB ChB,5 Sami K Asfar, MB ChB MD FRCSEd FACS,1 Abdulla Behbahani, MB ChB FRCS FACSI PhD FICS FACS,1 Mousa A Khoursheed, MB ChB FRCS FICS,1 Hilal M Al-Sayer, MD PhD FICS FACS,1 Yousef Y Bo-Abbas, MD FRCPC,2 and Naji S Al-Zaid, BSc PhD3
BACKGROUND:
Although various studies have examined the short-term effects of a ketogenic diet in reducing weight in obese patients, its long-term effects on various physical and biochemical parameters are not known.
OBJECTIVE:
To determine the effects of a 24-week ketogenic diet (consisting of 30 g carbohydrate, 1 g/kg body weight protein, 20% saturated fat, and 80% polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fat) in obese patients.
PATIENTS AND METHODS:
In the present study, 83 obese patients (39 men and 44 women) with a body mass index greater than 35 kg/m2, and high glucose and cholesterol levels were selected. The body weight, body mass index, total cholesterol, low density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol, high density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol, triglycerides, fasting blood sugar, urea and creatinine levels were determined before and after the administration of the ketogenic diet. Changes in these parameters were monitored after eight, 16 and 24 weeks of treatment.
RESULTS:
The weight and body mass index of the patients decreased significantly (P<0.0001). The level of total cholesterol decreased from week 1 to week 24. HDL cholesterol levels significantly increased, whereas LDL cholesterol levels significantly decreased after treatment. The level of triglycerides decreased significantly following 24 weeks of treatment. The level of blood glucose significantly decreased. The changes in the level of urea and creatinine were not statistically significant.
CONCLUSIONS:
The present study shows the beneficial effects of a long-term ketogenic diet. It significantly reduced the body weight and body mass index of the patients. Furthermore, it decreased the level of triglycerides, LDL cholesterol and blood glucose, and increased the level of HDL cholesterol. Administering a ketogenic diet for a relatively longer period of time did not produce any significant side effects in the patients. Therefore, the present study confirms that it is safe to use a ketogenic diet for a longer period of time than previously demonstrated.
Keywords: Diet, Ketosis, Obesity
Obesity has become a serious chronic disease in both developing and developed countries. Furthermore, it is associated with a variety of chronic diseases (1–4). It is estimated that in the United States alone approximately 300,000 people die each year from obesity-related diseases (5,6). Different methods for reducing weight using reduced calorie and fat intake combined with exercise have failed to show sustained long-term effects (7–9). Recent studies from various laboratories (10,11), including our own (12), have shown that a high fat diet rich in polyunsaturated fatty acids (ketogenic diet) is quite effective in reducing body weight and the risk factors for various chronic diseases. The ketogenic diet was originally introduced in 1920 (13). In this diet, the fat to carbohydrate ratio is 5:1. While there was a significant decrease in the weight of obese patients who were on a ketogenic diet (12), the reverse occurred when the diet changed to one high in carbohydrates (14).
It should be noted that the concept that fat can be eaten ad libitum and still induce weight loss in obese subjects is not a recent one (13–33). Ketosis occurs as a result of the change in the body’s fuel from carbohydrate to fat. Incomplete oxidation of fatty acids by the liver results in the accumulation of ketone bodies in the body. A ketogenic diet maintains the body in a state of ketosis, which is characterized by an elevation of D-b-hydroxybutyrate and acetoacetate.
Mild ketosis is a natural phenomenon that occurs in humans during fasting and lactation (19,20). Postexercise ketosis is a well-known phenomenon in mammals. Although most of the changes in the physiological parameters induced following exercise revert back to their normal values rapidly, the level of circulating ketone bodies increases for a few hours after muscular activity ceases (21). It has been found that in trained individuals, a low blood ketone level protects against the development of hypoglycemia during prolonged intermittent exercise (22). In addition, ketosis has a significant influence on suppressing hunger. Thus, a ketogenic diet is a good regulator of the body’s calorie intake and mimics the effect of starvation in the body.
It is generally believed that high fat diets may lead to the development of obesity and several other diseases such as coronary artery disease, diabetes and cancer. This view, however, is based on studies carried out in animals that were given a high fat diet rich in polyunsaturated fatty acids. In contrast, our laboratory has recently shown that a ketogenic diet modified the risk factors for heart disease in obese patients (12).
Although various short-term studies examining the effect of a ketogenic diet in reducing the weight of obese patients have been carried out (10), its long-term effects in obese subjects are not known (15). Therefore, the purpose of the present study was to investigate the long-term effects of a ketogenic diet on obesity and obesity-associated risk factors in a large population of obese patients.
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PATIENTS AND METHODS.
Patients and biochemical analysis
The prospective study was carried out at the Academic Department of Surgery, Consultation and Training Centre, Faculty of Medicine, Kuwait University (Jabriya, Kuwait) in 83 obese subjects (39 men and 44 women). The body mass index (BMI) of men and women was 35.9±1.2 kg/m2 and 39.4±1.0 kg/m2, respectively. The mean age was 42.6±1.7 years and 40.6±1.6 years for men and women, respectively. The mean age, initial height, weight and BMI for all patients are given in Table 1. Fasting blood tests were carried out for all of the subjects. Initially, all patients were subjected to liver and renal function tests, and glucose and lipid profiles, using fasting blood samples, and a complete blood count. Thereafter, fasting blood samples were tested for total cholesterol, high density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol, low density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol, triglycerides, blood sugar, urea and creatinine levels at the eighth, 16th and 24th week. In addition, weight and height measurements, and blood pressure were monitored at each visit.
TABLE 1
Patient data at baseline before treatment with the ketogenic diet
Protocol for ketogenic diet-induced body weight reduction
All 83 subjects received the ketogenic diet consisting of 20 g to 30 g of carbohydrate in the form of green vegetables and salad, and 80 g to 100 g of protein in the form of meat, fish, fowl, eggs, shellfish and cheese. Polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats were also included in the diet. Twelve weeks later, an additional 20 g of carbohydrate were added to the meal of the patients to total 40 g to 50 g of carbohydrate. Micronutrients (vitamins and minerals) were given to each subject in the form of one capsule per day (Table 2).0 -
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Yes, I can post some of my pics, I am not so ripped, I am a soldier, so I am a health nut to the extreme but I have tried balenced diets, was successful at it but had more problems with the disicipline of keeping strieght on the diet, mainly do to the sugar spikes. That made me have way too many cravings, so, my friend told me to do a bodybuilding (natural) only, to see if you can actually get to -10 percent bodyfat. I will post my before and current pic now. Like I said before, I have done a diet every year, and lost appx 20-30lbs then do it all over again because I gain it back. I can post them later today.0
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