Teachers: how do you feel about the new school year
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Teachers are pretty pro at seeming like they have the most difficult jobs ever and digging in to prevent solutions. Think of how aggressively they fight methods to measure their performance.
I'd say teaching and nursing are two of the hardest. You do most of the work and get none of the credit for it. I am STILL friends with a lot of my teachers from high school - they're a huge reason why I am who I am today.
And you're really really good at generalizations.
So are you it seems.
Also, when we are talking about a profession as a whole, it is a mite bit hard not to generalize.
How often do you see people being honored and thanking a teacher? Or someone who was injured and is on the news or whatever thank the nursing staff? It DOES happen, but not nearly often enough considering none of us would be here able to construct a proper sentence if it weren't for teachers. And Lord knows nurses have held my hand when I've needed it.
you can say that about almost any profession. a garbage man doesn't exactly have a week to be honored, and some are lucky to get a tip around christmas, but they perform a job just as necessary as teaching.
i work at a power plant. no one flicks on the lights and says "thank you operating engineer." nope. but man, if those lights don't come on, we're the ones to blame.0 -
i was going through to be a chem teacher, took all the classes for 3 years and then switched to architecture for a number of reasons. I was on a placement for a year in a classroom as a teachers assistant, and they really dont have hard jobs, other than marking homework/tests and whatnot once you have your curriculum set (which takes about the first 3 years of teaching to perfect it from what most teachers had told me) its not relatively hard, especially if you like working with kids (which i do) its actually an awesome gig. mind you, it can be stressful, and you do have to make minor tweaks to your lesson plans yearly as the curriculum changes but for the most part teachers have it made. im jealous of teachers who have secured full time positions, especially those in the states with tenure. if not for the crappy job market i would have stayed down that path for sureTeachers are pretty pro at seeming like they have the most difficult jobs ever and digging in to prevent solutions. Think of how aggressively they fight methods to measure their performance.
I'd say teaching and nursing are two of the hardest. You do most of the work and get none of the credit for it. I am STILL friends with a lot of my teachers from high school - they're a huge reason why I am who I am today.
And you're really really good at generalizations.
and teachers and nurses get a ton of credit around my area, if you mention youre one of those to someone here the first words after are usaully along the lines of "oh wow good for you, i dont know how you do it, id go crazy..."0 -
Non-teaching jobs, I'd be working, say 50 weeks a year - 40 hours a week, for a total of 2000 hours.
Where I live, the school year is 4 9 week periods. 36 weeks. To get to 2000 hours in the 36 weeks, teachers should be cranking out 55 hours or so a week.
The longer hours during the school year comes with the territory. You get a really long breaks. I am not saying teaching isn't important or the the government adequately supports our teachers, but in terms of hours worked -- there is nothing unjust about teachers working longer days because they work shorter years.0 -
Teachers are pretty pro at seeming like they have the most difficult jobs ever and digging in to prevent solutions. Think of how aggressively they fight methods to measure their performance.
I'd say teaching and nursing are two of the hardest. You do most of the work and get none of the credit for it. I am STILL friends with a lot of my teachers from high school - they're a huge reason why I am who I am today.
And you're really really good at generalizations.
So are you it seems.
Also, when we are talking about a profession as a whole, it is a mite bit hard not to generalize.
How often do you see people being honored and thanking a teacher? Or someone who was injured and is on the news or whatever thank the nursing staff? It DOES happen, but not nearly often enough considering none of us would be here able to construct a proper sentence if it weren't for teachers. And Lord knows nurses have held my hand when I've needed it.
There are quite a few Education awards, to my knowledge. And I also believe there are people who go back and thank teachers who had a positive impact on them. I know that I have done this. And I will let the nurses chime in here, but I would be willing to bet that they do get thanked by patients and their families for the care they are given.
And you think that self-taught or homeschooled people cannot construct a proper sentence? :huh:0 -
I bet that I will be labeled anti-teacher fairly soon. (I am actually anti-bad teacher.)0
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I think that getting rid of tenure is a good thing and that basing raises, at least in part, on performance is a great idea.
So, if I discover a technique that gets amazing results in my class, what incentive do I have to share it with my fellow teachers if it means they could beat me out of my raise? Instead, I'll keep it to myself and make sure my performance is great and theirs is not, and make sure I get my raise.
That would be fine if we were talking about a manufacturing plant, and I discovered a way to increase my productivity. But we're talking about a school. What happens to the children in my fellow teachers' classrooms? They get educated just a little bit less because I was worried about my raise and making sure my performance outshines my coworkers.
Good thinking, there!
Riiight. Because teachers generally collaberate on everything, right? And it would be up to administrators to see which teachers are the most effective and determine why that is. Also, you are basing this on the premise that another person's success will inhibit another's, which is only partially true even when using the Bell Curve model. Oh, and ignoring that removing tenure and having merit based performance reviews would help weed out the ineffective teachers from the industry.
Way to examine only the surface of an issue.
Teachers generally share best practices. This removes the incentive to do so. Add to this the loss of tenure, and the terribly low pay, not to mention our governor's obvious disdain for the profession, budget cuts for teacher's aids and supplies, and what we now have is a teacher shortage. It's affecting things besides education. The local university, Elon, is seeing a drop in enrollments for teaching degrees, which translates to a drop in enrollment overall. Large corporations don't want to move or expand production in our state because they don't feel they will have access to an educated workforce. So yes, let's say this is the surface of the issue...0 -
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Teachers are pretty pro at seeming like they have the most difficult jobs ever and digging in to prevent solutions. Think of how aggressively they fight methods to measure their performance.
I'd say teaching and nursing are two of the hardest. You do most of the work and get none of the credit for it. I am STILL friends with a lot of my teachers from high school - they're a huge reason why I am who I am today.
And you're really really good at generalizations.
So are you it seems.
Also, when we are talking about a profession as a whole, it is a mite bit hard not to generalize.
How often do you see people being honored and thanking a teacher? Or someone who was injured and is on the news or whatever thank the nursing staff? It DOES happen, but not nearly often enough considering none of us would be here able to construct a proper sentence if it weren't for teachers. And Lord knows nurses have held my hand when I've needed it.
There are quite a few Education awards, to my knowledge. And I also believe there are people who go back and thank teachers who had a positive impact on them. I know that I have done this. And I will let the nurses chime in here, but I would be willing to bet that they do get thanked by patients and their families for the care they are given.
And you think that self-taught or homeschooled people cannot construct a proper sentence? :huh:
How many people are 100% self-taught and have NEVER had any assistance ever? I'd love to see that.
Homeschooled are still schooled. Just because it's in a home doesn't mean they aren't TAUGHT. :laugh:
In any case, we'll just agree to disagree on some things.
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Stop moaning lol http://news.tes.co.uk/b/news/2014/06/24/teachers-in-england-work-some-of-the-longest-hours-in-the-world-report-finds.aspx.
I worked in banking before teaching. I can honestly say teaching is the hardest job I've done, but the most rewarding. The hardest bit is all the paperwork we're expected to do, just for the sake of it, and the behaviour can be tough at times. I work in a deprived area, and it's not unusual to be told to f**k off by a 12 year old, or have them purposefully disrupt a lesson, slamming the door repeatedly, shouting abuse at you. Or phone a parent at 2pm and find them slurring their speech as they're drunk. When kids who have a bad home life do well at school, it's great to know you provide an environment where they feel safe.
All jobs have their pros and cons. I'm just glad I do a job which enables me to spend the school holidays with my own children. My husband does shift work which sucks, but he never has to bring work home.0 -
I am speaking of the teaching profession. If you are going to broaden that to anyone that is learned from, then we cannot have this discussion. :flowerforyou:0
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Did anyone get into teaching not knowing that it was going to involve rotten kids and not-very-glamorous salaries?
Did anyone decide to become a teacher because they thought they'd be thanked all the time?
No? Ok, then stop complaining. I don't get thanked for doing my job either. They show their gratitude by not bouncing my paychecks, and I'm grateful for that.0 -
Non-teaching jobs, I'd be working, say 50 weeks a year - 40 hours a week, for a total of 2000 hours.
Where I live, the school year is 4 9 week periods. 36 weeks. To get to 2000 hours in the 36 weeks, teachers should be cranking out 55 hours or so a week.
The longer hours during the school year comes with the territory. You get a really long breaks. I am not saying teaching isn't important or the the government adequately supports our teachers, but in terms of hours worked -- there is nothing unjust about teachers working longer days because they work shorter years.
THIS!
My roommate is a teacher. She also coaches. She leaves for work at 6:30 and doesn't get home until 6:30 when it's off-season. When she is driving to games, her days are sometimes 16 hours. She also gets paid to take on those additional responsibilities. She also took classes on the weekends and graduated with her master's degree in May.
She also took a month long vacation to New England for summer break.0 -
Did anyone get into teaching not knowing that it was going to involve rotten kids and not-very-glamorous salaries?
Did anyone decide to become a teacher because they thought they'd be thanked all the time?
No? Ok, then stop complaining. I don't get thanked for doing my job either. They show their gratitude by not bouncing my paychecks, and I'm grateful for that.
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I think that getting rid of tenure is a good thing and that basing raises, at least in part, on performance is a great idea.
So, if I discover a technique that gets amazing results in my class, what incentive do I have to share it with my fellow teachers if it means they could beat me out of my raise? Instead, I'll keep it to myself and make sure my performance is great and theirs is not, and make sure I get my raise.
That would be fine if we were talking about a manufacturing plant, and I discovered a way to increase my productivity. But we're talking about a school. What happens to the children in my fellow teachers' classrooms? They get educated just a little bit less because I was worried about my raise and making sure my performance outshines my coworkers.
Good thinking, there!
Riiight. Because teachers generally collaberate on everything, right? And it would be up to administrators to see which teachers are the most effective and determine why that is. Also, you are basing this on the premise that another person's success will inhibit another's, which is only partially true even when using the Bell Curve model. Oh, and ignoring that removing tenure and having merit based performance reviews would help weed out the ineffective teachers from the industry.
Way to examine only the surface of an issue.
Teachers generally share best practices. This removes the incentive to do so. Add to this the loss of tenure, and the terribly low pay, not to mention our governor's obvious disdain for the profession, budget cuts for teacher's aids and supplies, and what we now have is a teacher shortage. It's affecting things besides education. The local university, Elon, is seeing a drop in enrollments for teaching degrees, which translates to a drop in enrollment overall. Large corporations don't want to move or expand production in our state because they don't feel they will have access to an educated workforce. So yes, let's say this is the surface of the issue...
How do you determine that they share the best practices? They do not have time with their 16+ hour days to have round table discussions.
Also, in many industries, including my own, employees who have merit based raises still discuss and share their methods. So unless you are implying that teachers are petty...0 -
I bet that I will be labeled anti-teacher fairly soon. (I am actually anti-bad teacher.)
With the new policies in NC, we're being left with nothing but bad teachers because all the good teachers are moving out of the state where they will receive adequate pay and support plus benefits like tenure without being pitted in a duel against their fellow teachers for raises...or else they're leaving the profession altogether. I know a LOT of ex-teachers who loved their jobs and were good at it, but couldn't afford to keep teaching.0 -
Imma keep it simple here.
1) lift weights, less cardiovascular. It's a huge time saver, and IMHO better results.
2) if you don't like your job/hours etc. Stop your complaining and do something about it. Otherwise STFU. All jobs have good points and suck points. Welcome to life.0 -
I think that getting rid of tenure is a good thing and that basing raises, at least in part, on performance is a great idea.
So, if I discover a technique that gets amazing results in my class, what incentive do I have to share it with my fellow teachers if it means they could beat me out of my raise? Instead, I'll keep it to myself and make sure my performance is great and theirs is not, and make sure I get my raise.
That would be fine if we were talking about a manufacturing plant, and I discovered a way to increase my productivity. But we're talking about a school. What happens to the children in my fellow teachers' classrooms? They get educated just a little bit less because I was worried about my raise and making sure my performance outshines my coworkers.
Good thinking, there!
Riiight. Because teachers generally collaberate on everything, right? And it would be up to administrators to see which teachers are the most effective and determine why that is. Also, you are basing this on the premise that another person's success will inhibit another's, which is only partially true even when using the Bell Curve model. Oh, and ignoring that removing tenure and having merit based performance reviews would help weed out the ineffective teachers from the industry.
Way to examine only the surface of an issue.
Teachers generally share best practices. This removes the incentive to do so. Add to this the loss of tenure, and the terribly low pay, not to mention our governor's obvious disdain for the profession, budget cuts for teacher's aids and supplies, and what we now have is a teacher shortage. It's affecting things besides education. The local university, Elon, is seeing a drop in enrollments for teaching degrees, which translates to a drop in enrollment overall. Large corporations don't want to move or expand production in our state because they don't feel they will have access to an educated workforce. So yes, let's say this is the surface of the issue...
How do you determine that they share the best practices? They do not have time with their 16+ hour days to have round table discussions.
Also, in many industries, including my own, employees who have merit based raises still discuss and share their methods. So unless you are implying that teachers are petty...
Seriously, it's almost as if you've never met a teacher before.0 -
I bet that I will be labeled anti-teacher fairly soon. (I am actually anti-bad teacher.)
With the new policies in NC, we're being left with nothing but bad teachers because all the good teachers are moving out of the state where they will receive adequate pay and support plus benefits like tenure without being pitted in a duel against their fellow teachers for raises...or else they're leaving the profession altogether. I know a LOT of ex-teachers who loved their jobs and were good at it, but couldn't afford to keep teaching.
That is a political barrier and I agree that there needs to be incentives in place to attract good, effective teachers.0 -
I think that getting rid of tenure is a good thing and that basing raises, at least in part, on performance is a great idea.
So, if I discover a technique that gets amazing results in my class, what incentive do I have to share it with my fellow teachers if it means they could beat me out of my raise? Instead, I'll keep it to myself and make sure my performance is great and theirs is not, and make sure I get my raise.
That would be fine if we were talking about a manufacturing plant, and I discovered a way to increase my productivity. But we're talking about a school. What happens to the children in my fellow teachers' classrooms? They get educated just a little bit less because I was worried about my raise and making sure my performance outshines my coworkers.
Good thinking, there!
Riiight. Because teachers generally collaberate on everything, right? And it would be up to administrators to see which teachers are the most effective and determine why that is. Also, you are basing this on the premise that another person's success will inhibit another's, which is only partially true even when using the Bell Curve model. Oh, and ignoring that removing tenure and having merit based performance reviews would help weed out the ineffective teachers from the industry.
Way to examine only the surface of an issue.
Teachers generally share best practices. This removes the incentive to do so. Add to this the loss of tenure, and the terribly low pay, not to mention our governor's obvious disdain for the profession, budget cuts for teacher's aids and supplies, and what we now have is a teacher shortage. It's affecting things besides education. The local university, Elon, is seeing a drop in enrollments for teaching degrees, which translates to a drop in enrollment overall. Large corporations don't want to move or expand production in our state because they don't feel they will have access to an educated workforce. So yes, let's say this is the surface of the issue...
How do you determine that they share the best practices? They do not have time with their 16+ hour days to have round table discussions.
Also, in many industries, including my own, employees who have merit based raises still discuss and share their methods. So unless you are implying that teachers are petty...
Seriously, it's almost as if you've never met a teacher before.
Your naivety is adorable. :flowerforyou:0 -
Imma keep it simple here.
1) lift weights, less cardiovascular. It's a huge time saver, and IMHO better results.
2) if you don't like your job/hours etc. Stop your complaining and do something about it. Otherwise STFU. All jobs have good points and suck points. Welcome to life.
I hope no one was thinking that I'm complaining about my job because I'm not. I only asked what I should do to calm my nerves about my first year of teaching and what would be the best way to fit in workouts into my day.0 -
I am speaking of the teaching profession. If you are going to broaden that to anyone that is learned from, then we cannot have this discussion. :flowerforyou:
I think that's the best thing that's been said since the OP posted. :happy:0 -
I bet that I will be labeled anti-teacher fairly soon. (I am actually anti-bad teacher.)
With the new policies in NC, we're being left with nothing but bad teachers because all the good teachers are moving out of the state where they will receive adequate pay and support plus benefits like tenure without being pitted in a duel against their fellow teachers for raises...or else they're leaving the profession altogether. I know a LOT of ex-teachers who loved their jobs and were good at it, but couldn't afford to keep teaching.
That is a political barrier and I agree that there needs to be incentives in place to attract good, effective teachers.
As I said, this political barrier is affecting the general financial outlook of the entire state because businesses don't want to relocate or expand in a place where they can only hire uneducated hicks. We have Research Triangle Park and a lot of drug manufacturers and researchers, and those companies fear they will have to supplement their workforce from outside the state in the future. Or leave.0 -
Imma keep it simple here.
1) lift weights, less cardiovascular. It's a huge time saver, and IMHO better results.
2) if you don't like your job/hours etc. Stop your complaining and do something about it. Otherwise STFU. All jobs have good points and suck points. Welcome to life.
I hope no one was thinking that I'm complaining about my job because I'm not. I only asked what I should do to calm my nerves about my first year of teaching and what would be the best way to fit in workouts into my day.
I didn't think you were complaining, OP. It's not going to be easy but you can fit some in where you can. Doesn't have to be hours or even daily. You'll find the balance once you settle in - just don't put too much pressure on yourself and stress yourself out further! :flowerforyou: You're going to do great!0 -
Teachers are pretty pro at seeming like they have the most difficult jobs ever and digging in to prevent solutions. Think of how aggressively they fight methods to measure their performance.
I try to respect teachers, but I've found they do an adverse amount of complaining about their jobs as compared to the rest of the working public.
The university I went to was primarily for education majors, I knew a lot of them. Most were slackers who wanted to make sure they had an easy job with summers off and a relaxed schedule. I think that's where the complaining comes from. 3 months off work makes people spoiled. They don't realize how it sounds to the rest of us who just work all the time. Complaining that you're coming up on the 3/4 of the year you actually have to work just falls on deaf ears.
Working before and after school aside. They still get months off each year. Most professionals, myself included, take our work home. I've had many nights where I worked while the rest of my house slept until I couldn't keep my eyes open anymore. Most professionals are lucky to get a few days off each year, let alone 3 months for summer break.0 -
I absolutely love these threads.
Teacher's have an easy life because...............
Then why don't you become one?
Um...........No, they're bad because........
:drinker:
Carry on.0 -
Imma keep it simple here.
1) lift weights, less cardiovascular. It's a huge time saver, and IMHO better results.
2) if you don't like your job/hours etc. Stop your complaining and do something about it. Otherwise STFU. All jobs have good points and suck points. Welcome to life.
I hope no one was thinking that I'm complaining about my job because I'm not. I only asked what I should do to calm my nerves about my first year of teaching and what would be the best way to fit in workouts into my day.
I don't think you were complaining. It's just the way you said it made it sound like you would have no time to work out. :flowerforyou: You can do it. Seriously, do a workout that's more effective in a shorter period of time, and utilize short amounts of free time (like lunch) to be active.0 -
man, i wish i had school teacher hours. what are they, 8-3? nothing would be able to stop me.
school teachers hours are not even close to 8-3, you couldn't handle working their hours.
I spent six years in the military, followed by many years in construction before finally settling into a 9-5 job that sometimes has my phone ringing at 3 in the morning. I think I could handle a teacher's hours just fine.
They get to school by 6am most days, stay till late in the evening doing afterschool with students and having meetings, they don't get home till almost 6pm,
My mother, who is a teacher, doesn't get up until 6:30, and she's usually home by 5.then have to correct papers, make lesson plans, go to stores to purchase out of their own pay supplies for their students, schools do not pay for this, how many other professionals pay for work supplies out of their pocket , not many... yet parents complain teachers do nothing for their kids, they do more than the parents most times sorry... parents need to step up and support their local schools and teachers, then after all that work... over 14 plus hours of work a day... they might perhaps get to shovel err eat dinner, do bare minimum any house chores, say hi to their own spouses or kids for 5 minutes before having to complete professional development lessons for themselves aka teacher home work, if they get into bed by 11pm or midnight each night they are lucky then must get up at 430-5am again and be their for kids, but teachers don't work... try teachers don't get paid enough to deal with the crap they have to, and tenure isn't a bad thing just it needs to be revised to be able to let go of teachers who are.
My mother does have to correct papers, but make lesson plans? Not in years. The government sees fit that all kids get the same lesson, because we all fit in the same, neat little package. If they don't want to pay for things out of their own pocket, do like the schools do here.....request it from the parents. We get these requests a few times a year, and they ask for double what they actually need because half the parents won't chip in. You're exaggerating the hours, big time. Most non-extra curricular activity (sports, band, honor society, etc) teachers won't see more than a few 12 hour days a year. As for pay, my mom has a Master's degree and 40+ years, so she makes bank. However, the average starting salary for a teacher in Louisiana (where my mom is) fresh out of college with a Bachelor's degree is $38,641. The average household income for Louisiana is $42,944. Now you say, "see, teachers get paid less", but keep in mind, that average income for the state is household, meaning it includes single and multi-income houses.
Don't take this as me bashing on teachers, 'cause I'm not. What I'm doing is correcting your exaggerated numbers for the profession.0 -
man, i wish i had school teacher hours. what are they, 8-3? nothing would be able to stop me.
school teachers hours are not even close to 8-3, you couldn't handle working their hours.
I spent six years in the military, followed by many years in construction before finally settling into a 9-5 job that sometimes has my phone ringing at 3 in the morning. I think I could handle a teacher's hours just fine.
They get to school by 6am most days, stay till late in the evening doing afterschool with students and having meetings, they don't get home till almost 6pm,
My mother, who is a teacher, doesn't get up until 6:30, and she's usually home by 5.then have to correct papers, make lesson plans, go to stores to purchase out of their own pay supplies for their students, schools do not pay for this, how many other professionals pay for work supplies out of their pocket , not many... yet parents complain teachers do nothing for their kids, they do more than the parents most times sorry... parents need to step up and support their local schools and teachers, then after all that work... over 14 plus hours of work a day... they might perhaps get to shovel err eat dinner, do bare minimum any house chores, say hi to their own spouses or kids for 5 minutes before having to complete professional development lessons for themselves aka teacher home work, if they get into bed by 11pm or midnight each night they are lucky then must get up at 430-5am again and be their for kids, but teachers don't work... try teachers don't get paid enough to deal with the crap they have to, and tenure isn't a bad thing just it needs to be revised to be able to let go of teachers who are.
My mother does have to correct papers, but make lesson plans? Not in years. The government sees fit that all kids get the same lesson, because we all fit in the same, neat little package. If they don't want to pay for things out of their own pocket, do like the schools do here.....request it from the parents. We get these requests a few times a year, and they ask for double what they actually need because half the parents won't chip in. You're exaggerating the hours, big time. Most non-extra curricular activity (sports, band, honor society, etc) teachers won't see more than a few 12 hour days a year. As for pay, my mom has a Master's degree and 40+ years, so she makes bank. However, the average starting salary for a teacher in Louisiana (where my mom is) fresh out of college with a Bachelor's degree is $38,641. The average household income for Louisiana is $42,944. Now you say, "see, teachers get paid less", but keep in mind, that average income for the state is household, meaning it includes single and multi-income houses.
Don't take this as me bashing on teachers, 'cause I'm not. What I'm doing is correcting your exaggerated numbers for the profession.
What if someone said it's not exaggeration. Yes, some work short hours and don't work from home......
Then there's the good ones....just typ'n0 -
Op, everyone has to find a way to fit fitness into their lives. There are a gazillion demanding jobs. You either want it or you don't. If you want it you need to find the way that works for you. This is not judgement from me. But, it's reality. I think that teaching is a pretty basic job. I appreciate the work that good teachers put in (as well as the many people that volunteer for free at the school). I don't know what else to say.0
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I have lived beside or within walking distance to many, many schools for years. The parking lots start filling up around 7:30 - 7:45 (school starts at 8) and they're completely empty by 3:45. Once a month or so, there's a parent event or a teacher event that requires them to come back to school for an evening.
These teachers who work after 3:45 probably walk to school, and that's how they get their exercise. They must.
OP, if you don't have kids, you have anytime between 3:45 and 10 pm to get in your workout. If you're doing cardio on a machine, just pop those multiple choice worksheets and one page papers up on the stationary bike's rack. You should be done grading everything before the 60 minute buzzer rings.0
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