Why you SHOULDN'T count calories
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There also could be a reason why clean eating is called "clean" eating.
So you're saying your knowledge of Windex being 0 calories is based on personal experience?0 -
There also could be a reason why clean eating is called "clean" eating.
Because whoever coined it thought (correctly) that the term would catch on with a certain personality type?
Or did you have something else in mind?
Because goodness knows it's not because names are inherently reflective of truth.0 -
Sigh, ok, how is it worse for your health, assuming you are meeting your nutrient goals?i semi count calories but you are right a 0cal diet coke is worse than a 150cal smoothie people get way to into the calorie counting and ignore over all nutrition its a tricky balence sometimes
Worse in what way?
For your over all health as well as weightloss
Is this discussion actually taking place on planet earth? We have actually sunk so far as to even consider that a 0cal diet coke is NOT worse for you than a 150cal smoothie (assuming that the smoothie was made with real food?). Has all this calorie counting made us disregard what is actually being put in our mouths? I heard Windex may have zero calories as well. Options galore!!!!
This is not an answer.
Where's your evidence that nail polish remover is bad for you? It better be peer-reviewed. The link. Let me see the link. That's what I thought. You can't back it up.
Attempting to shift the burden of proof is pretty damn pathetic.0 -
Sigh, ok, how is it worse for your health, assuming you are meeting your nutrient goals?i semi count calories but you are right a 0cal diet coke is worse than a 150cal smoothie people get way to into the calorie counting and ignore over all nutrition its a tricky balence sometimes
Worse in what way?
For your over all health as well as weightloss
Is this discussion actually taking place on planet earth? We have actually sunk so far as to even consider that a 0cal diet coke is NOT worse for you than a 150cal smoothie (assuming that the smoothie was made with real food?). Has all this calorie counting made us disregard what is actually being put in our mouths? I heard Windex may have zero calories as well. Options galore!!!!
This is not an answer.
Where's your evidence that nail polish remover is bad for you? It better be peer-reviewed. The link. Let me see the link. That's what I thought. You can't back it up.
If people are lacking "that" much common sense, then Darwinism needs to kick in before Idiocracy becomes an actual thing.0 -
There also could be a reason why clean eating is called "clean" eating.
What's your definition of clean eating? I'm curious because everyone's seems to be different.0 -
Sigh, ok, how is it worse for your health, assuming you are meeting your nutrient goals?i semi count calories but you are right a 0cal diet coke is worse than a 150cal smoothie people get way to into the calorie counting and ignore over all nutrition its a tricky balence sometimes
Worse in what way?
For your over all health as well as weightloss
Is this discussion actually taking place on planet earth? We have actually sunk so far as to even consider that a 0cal diet coke is NOT worse for you than a 150cal smoothie (assuming that the smoothie was made with real food?). Has all this calorie counting made us disregard what is actually being put in our mouths? I heard Windex may have zero calories as well. Options galore!!!!
This is not an answer.
Where's your evidence that nail polish remover is bad for you? It better be peer-reviewed. The link. Let me see the link. That's what I thought. You can't back it up.
Attempting to shift the burden of proof is pretty damn pathetic.
I especially like that leap they took. When you can't win, you can always throw out an extreme or/and ludicrous statement to try to cover your tracks.0 -
Sigh, ok, how is it worse for your health, assuming you are meeting your nutrient goals?i semi count calories but you are right a 0cal diet coke is worse than a 150cal smoothie people get way to into the calorie counting and ignore over all nutrition its a tricky balence sometimes
Worse in what way?
For your over all health as well as weightloss
Is this discussion actually taking place on planet earth? We have actually sunk so far as to even consider that a 0cal diet coke is NOT worse for you than a 150cal smoothie (assuming that the smoothie was made with real food?). Has all this calorie counting made us disregard what is actually being put in our mouths? I heard Windex may have zero calories as well. Options galore!!!!
This is not an answer.
Where's your evidence that nail polish remover is bad for you? It better be peer-reviewed. The link. Let me see the link. That's what I thought. You can't back it up.
Attempting to shift the burden of proof is pretty damn pathetic.
I especially like that leap they took. When you can't win, you can always throw out an extreme or/and ludicrous statement to try to cover your tracks.
It's called appeal to ridicule, and it's an attempt to dodge actually backing up his ludicrous assertions.0 -
Relax, I was just having fun. Nobody's comparing windex and nail polish remover to diet coke. Well I was, but that's just me being an uninformed non-peer reviewed ignoramus. To each our own. I'm just happy I'm not the one drinking it.
Lack of evidence constitutes as a free pass these days. It's comical. But unfortunate also.
That conversation was just too classic to pass up. Made my day.0 -
I don't know what the bolded part means but have fun perpetrating myths. That never causes problems.Relax, I was just having fun. Nobody's comparing windex and nail polish remover to diet coke. Well I was, but that's just me being an uninformed non-peer reviewed ignoramus. To each our own. I'm just happy I'm not the one drinking it.
Lack of evidence constitutes as a free pass these days. It's comical. But unfortunate also.
That conversation was just too classic to pass up. Made my day.0 -
Sigh, ok, how is it worse for your health, assuming you are meeting your nutrient goals?i semi count calories but you are right a 0cal diet coke is worse than a 150cal smoothie people get way to into the calorie counting and ignore over all nutrition its a tricky balence sometimes
Worse in what way?
For your over all health as well as weightloss
Is this discussion actually taking place on planet earth? We have actually sunk so far as to even consider that a 0cal diet coke is NOT worse for you than a 150cal smoothie (assuming that the smoothie was made with real food?). Has all this calorie counting made us disregard what is actually being put in our mouths? I heard Windex may have zero calories as well. Options galore!!!!
This is not an answer.
Where's your evidence that nail polish remover is bad for you? It better be peer-reviewed. The link. Let me see the link. That's what I thought. You can't back it up.
If people are lacking "that" much common sense, then Darwinism needs to kick in before Idiocracy becomes an actual thing.
Darwinism is kicking in. Quite strongly.0 -
Relax, I was just having fun. Nobody's comparing windex and nail polish remover to diet coke. Well I was, but that's just me being an uninformed non-peer reviewed ignoramus. To each our own. I'm just happy I'm not the one drinking it.
Lack of evidence constitutes as a free pass these days. It's comical. But unfortunate also.
That conversation was just too classic to pass up. Made my day.
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I wish I went to college, I'd get someone really smart to make a faux study to see how many people agreed with it despite having no idea or the slightest **** what it says because cancer and alzheimers or whatever the ****ing fear factory here says it is tastes really good and has no bearing on weight loss.0
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I don't know what the bolded part means but have fun perpetrating myths. That never causes problems.Relax, I was just having fun. Nobody's comparing windex and nail polish remover to diet coke. Well I was, but that's just me being an uninformed non-peer reviewed ignoramus. To each our own. I'm just happy I'm not the one drinking it.
Lack of evidence constitutes as a free pass these days. It's comical. But unfortunate also.
That conversation was just too classic to pass up. Made my day.
Differences aside, I have no idea how that got bolded. Someone must have spilled diet coke on my keyboard ahaha... cough cough. tough crowd.0 -
No, sorry, I should have said I bolded that part of your quote to respond to it.
I don't know what the bolded part means but have fun perpetrating myths. That never causes problems.Relax, I was just having fun. Nobody's comparing windex and nail polish remover to diet coke. Well I was, but that's just me being an uninformed non-peer reviewed ignoramus. To each our own. I'm just happy I'm not the one drinking it.
Lack of evidence constitutes as a free pass these days. It's comical. But unfortunate also.
That conversation was just too classic to pass up. Made my day.
Differences aside, I have no idea how that got bolded. Someone must have spilled diet coke on my keyboard ahaha... cough cough. tough crowd.
I'm fairly easy going but I do ask people to back up their claims so newer people and some who don't post but read anyway don't accept people's claims (especially when they are common myths or contrary to known science) without evidence.0 -
BUMP FOR LATER0
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don't forget, if she's eating all that fruit, she's got to be crappin her brains out all day --- so that's where the weight goes haha.0
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It depends on who you are and your behavior.
To some extent, a method that involves replacing unhealthy, calorie-dense processed foods with nutritious, lower-calorie foods will work as a weight loss method -- but only those for whom the total number of calories goes down through the replacement.
For someone like me, it's a completely bogus concept. I eat too many calories of healthy, homemade, nutritious food. Cutting out processed food and junk food would have little impact on me because I would be likely to "reward" myself with more healthy, nutritious food and my calorie count would probably go up.
Like so many weight loss dictums, it works for some but not for others. For those of us who generally eat too much, we MUST count calories (or points, or food exchanges) to limit our intake of food in general.0 -
Well I was, but that's just me being an uninformed non-peer reviewed ignoramus.
At least you admit it...0 -
Well I was, but that's just me being an uninformed non-peer reviewed ignoramus.
At least you admit it...
If you're not going to get the subject matter at hand, please at least get my sarcasm0 -
No, sorry, I should have said I bolded that part of your quote to respond to it.
I don't know what the bolded part means but have fun perpetrating myths. That never causes problems.Relax, I was just having fun. Nobody's comparing windex and nail polish remover to diet coke. Well I was, but that's just me being an uninformed non-peer reviewed ignoramus. To each our own. I'm just happy I'm not the one drinking it.
Lack of evidence constitutes as a free pass these days. It's comical. But unfortunate also.
That conversation was just too classic to pass up. Made my day.
Differences aside, I have no idea how that got bolded. Someone must have spilled diet coke on my keyboard ahaha... cough cough. tough crowd.
I'm fairly easy going but I do ask people to back up their claims so newer people and some who don't post but read anyway don't accept people's claims (especially when they are common myths or contrary to known science) without evidence.
Understood. I respect that for sure. But absolutely nothing can be backed up. Neither side can win.0 -
But absolutely nothing can be backed up.
This is utterly false.0 -
Well I was, but that's just me being an uninformed non-peer reviewed ignoramus.
At least you admit it...
If you're not going to get the subject matter at hand, please at least get my sarcasm
Oh I got it, clearly you did not get mine...0 -
This is my second week doing the mfp app. I really think it is something I can live with. I've done so many diets in the past, but they just aren't real life. I haven't counted calories long enough to contribute to this conversation, but I certainly hope it works!0
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But absolutely nothing can be backed up. Neither side can win.
Really, is that so?0 -
Well, that's the thing isn't it. It's a personal belief system. I just choose to base mine upon the best scientific findings for the time and allow.myself to change my belief as new findings are discovered. For now, the evidence shows that aspartame is safe in normal consumptive quantities, so I'll base my decisions upon that. If that changes, I'll be happy to admit I was following the wrong information and change my habits. How else can we expect to function? Make up fairy tales for things we don't understand?
No, sorry, I should have said I bolded that part of your quote to respond to it.
I don't know what the bolded part means but have fun perpetrating myths. That never causes problems.Relax, I was just having fun. Nobody's comparing windex and nail polish remover to diet coke. Well I was, but that's just me being an uninformed non-peer reviewed ignoramus. To each our own. I'm just happy I'm not the one drinking it.
Lack of evidence constitutes as a free pass these days. It's comical. But unfortunate also.
That conversation was just too classic to pass up. Made my day.
Differences aside, I have no idea how that got bolded. Someone must have spilled diet coke on my keyboard ahaha... cough cough. tough crowd.
I'm fairly easy going but I do ask people to back up their claims so newer people and some who don't post but read anyway don't accept people's claims (especially when they are common myths or contrary to known science) without evidence.
Understood. I respect that for sure. But absolutely nothing can be backed up. Neither side can win.0 -
Well, that's the thing isn't it. It's a personal belief system. I just choose to base mine upon the best scientific findings for the time and allow.myself to change my belief as new findings are discovered. For now, the evidence shows that aspartame is safe in normal consumptive quantities, so I'll base my decisions upon that. If that changes, I'll be happy to admit I was following the wrong information and change my habits. How else can we expect to function? Make up fairy tales for things we don't understand?
No, sorry, I should have said I bolded that part of your quote to respond to it.
I don't know what the bolded part means but have fun perpetrating myths. That never causes problems.Relax, I was just having fun. Nobody's comparing windex and nail polish remover to diet coke. Well I was, but that's just me being an uninformed non-peer reviewed ignoramus. To each our own. I'm just happy I'm not the one drinking it.
Lack of evidence constitutes as a free pass these days. It's comical. But unfortunate also.
That conversation was just too classic to pass up. Made my day.
Differences aside, I have no idea how that got bolded. Someone must have spilled diet coke on my keyboard ahaha... cough cough. tough crowd.
I'm fairly easy going but I do ask people to back up their claims so newer people and some who don't post but read anyway don't accept people's claims (especially when they are common myths or contrary to known science) without evidence.
Understood. I respect that for sure. But absolutely nothing can be backed up. Neither side can win.
I am so glad you brought this up. Evidence FOR and AGAINST basically anything regarding diet and exercise is weak at best. This is why arguments go back and forth, and basically, things get heated, b/c we really like certain foods and don't want to give them up. Believe me, I'm no different. Sure, there are studies saying this is bad for you and that is safe. The reality is that nobody knows anything about anything.
I'll share my approach to this in case anyone finds it relevant. I do believe in eating real food. And intuitively it certainly is the best option available. b/c it's real, as nature packaged it (poison ivy etc excluded obviously!!!). I mean, things aren't perfect because even real food is to varying degrees mass produced. There's just too many of us for it not to be. But it's still the best alternative. I look at created/industrialized/modified foods and think.... well I don't know what the hell this is. Maybe safe, maybe not. The FDA just said it is safe. Study X did as well. But this is all over a short time course. It won't kill you tomorrow, but what is it doing to you over the next few decades?? And longer time course studies are poorly designed without any significant control for confounding factors.
So my approach?? if it's made/modified by man, and my body doesn't need it for nutrition.... what do I have to lose by cutting it out???? The answer every time is that I lose nothing.
Many of you probably think ya right, the thing you lose is your sanity because you're denying yourself pleasure!! Actually no. Now I crave no junk. But trust me, back when I ate clean AND dirty foods, I used to crave EVERYTHING. When I walked by a cake stand in a bakery, I would verbally go on and on about how I could eat ALL the cakes on the spot etc. I loved junk food. When I wasn't eating it, I was thinking about the next junk meal. I thought I couldn't live without it.
Since I've been eating real foods only..... Cravings for anything junk = zero. That's two years now. So to answer any questions of whether I'm suffering by eliminating "great tasting" processed junk from my diet.... there is no suffering. When I catch a whiff of a candy bar or french fries, I now lose my appetite instantly. I'm actually happy when it gets out of my sight, so I can get my appetite back.
So to reiterate, I just find that by eating clean foods, there really is nothing to lose, because you take a lot of the "unknown/unproven/" foods out of your diet. I'm not saying diet coke is a serial killer, but now I never have to wonder.0 -
But absolutely nothing can be backed up. Neither side can win.
Really, is that so?
Yes. That's why forums like this exist. That's why you'll get different advice on diet and exercise from one doctor to the next. That's why the best diet literature is laughable at best when it comes to study quality. (and yes I got your sarcasm from your other post as well, but I'd rather stop trading exchanges like that. I just struck back cuz that's what I do).
We all just have to do our best. Both of us believe our own case very strongly and let's leave it at that. So let's just bury this hatchet and live and let live. We both said our piece.
I do want to comment on one thing that I keep forgetting to bring up. Awesome that you do pullups. I love them. But,.... please don't release your shoulders like that on the bottom. It really narrows this space called the rotator interval, and that in turn causes impingement of one of your rotator cuffs - the front part of the supraspinatus. Do your pullups with your scapulae retracted so you don't end up with a tear down the road.0 -
But absolutely nothing can be backed up.
This is utterly false.
Sorry, didn't mean to leave you hanging.... Maybe I should have worded it another way: No one lifestyle strategy is known or proven for sure, otherwise everybody would be doing it.0 -
Nope. I guess you have missed the entire point. Including the bit about misleading others. Oh well.
Well, that's the thing isn't it. It's a personal belief system. I just choose to base mine upon the best scientific findings for the time and allow.myself to change my belief as new findings are discovered. For now, the evidence shows that aspartame is safe in normal consumptive quantities, so I'll base my decisions upon that. If that changes, I'll be happy to admit I was following the wrong information and change my habits. How else can we expect to function? Make up fairy tales for things we don't understand?
No, sorry, I should have said I bolded that part of your quote to respond to it.
I don't know what the bolded part means but have fun perpetrating myths. That never causes problems.Relax, I was just having fun. Nobody's comparing windex and nail polish remover to diet coke. Well I was, but that's just me being an uninformed non-peer reviewed ignoramus. To each our own. I'm just happy I'm not the one drinking it.
Lack of evidence constitutes as a free pass these days. It's comical. But unfortunate also.
That conversation was just too classic to pass up. Made my day.
Differences aside, I have no idea how that got bolded. Someone must have spilled diet coke on my keyboard ahaha... cough cough. tough crowd.
I'm fairly easy going but I do ask people to back up their claims so newer people and some who don't post but read anyway don't accept people's claims (especially when they are common myths or contrary to known science) without evidence.
Understood. I respect that for sure. But absolutely nothing can be backed up. Neither side can win.
I am so glad you brought this up. Evidence FOR and AGAINST basically anything regarding diet and exercise is weak at best. This is why arguments go back and forth, and basically, things get heated, b/c we really like certain foods and don't want to give them up. Believe me, I'm no different. Sure, there are studies saying this is bad for you and that is safe. The reality is that nobody knows anything about anything.
I'll share my approach to this in case anyone finds it relevant. I do believe in eating real food. And intuitively it certainly is the best option available. b/c it's real, as nature packaged it (poison ivy etc excluded obviously!!!). I mean, things aren't perfect because even real food is to varying degrees mass produced. There's just too many of us for it not to be. But it's still the best alternative. I look at created/industrialized/modified foods and think.... well I don't know what the hell this is. Maybe safe, maybe not. The FDA just said it is safe. Study X did as well. But this is all over a short time course. It won't kill you tomorrow, but what is it doing to you over the next few decades?? And longer time course studies are poorly designed without any significant control for confounding factors.
So my approach?? if it's made/modified by man, and my body doesn't need it for nutrition.... what do I have to lose by cutting it out???? The answer every time is that I lose nothing.
Many of you probably think ya right, the thing you lose is your sanity because you're denying yourself pleasure!! Actually no. Now I crave no junk. But trust me, back when I ate clean AND dirty foods, I used to crave EVERYTHING. When I walked by a cake stand in a bakery, I would verbally go on and on about how I could eat ALL the cakes on the spot etc. I loved junk food. When I wasn't eating it, I was thinking about the next junk meal. I thought I couldn't live without it.
Since I've been eating real foods only..... Cravings for anything junk = zero. That's two years now. So to answer any questions of whether I'm suffering by eliminating "great tasting" processed junk from my diet.... there is no suffering. When I catch a whiff of a candy bar or french fries, I now lose my appetite instantly. I'm actually happy when it gets out of my sight, so I can get my appetite back.
So to reiterate, I just find that by eating clean foods, there really is nothing to lose, because you take a lot of the "unknown/unproven/" foods out of your diet. I'm not saying diet coke is a serial killer, but now I never have to wonder.0 -
Counting calories works for me! :shrug:0
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