My no carb dieting needs work. Help!
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Seeing as the op has one post and hasn't come back I'm gonna guess all they wanted was to rustle some jimmies.0
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It's not condescending at all. I was asking a legitimate question (sorry if you read it as condescending). If you are so hardcore keto, that you can't evaluate science outside of that diet style, then you will have nothing but bias. This is my perception currently, based your second and third post and further demonstrated by your misinterpretation of my post.
Like I stated, I have no issue with Keto diets. The question is, do you have the ability to understand that not everyone wants to restrict themselves their whole life? For many, not all, Keto is too restrictive. It's possible that the OP has changed his mind on the lifestyle.Wow. Condescending much? You likely know less on the subject than I've forgotten.0 -
Maybe! LOLSeeing as the op has one post and hasn't come back I'm gonna guess all they wanted was to rustle some jimmies.0 -
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OP- - -did you have questions answered.
And I found a diet link for Bron Bron; eating 77 grams of Carbohydrates. . . . .for breakfast. Oops.
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OP- - -did you have questions answered.
And I found a diet link for Bron Bron; eating 77 grams of Carbohydrates. . . . .for breakfast. Oops.
http://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_LeBron_James_diet
Good point, lets get back on track.0 -
The Art and Science of Low Carb Performance:
From Dr Volek's book
Our recent book 'The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living' was written for health care professionals, championing the benefits of carbohydrate restriction to manage insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome, and type-2 diabetes.
Seems medical conditions are prevalent from Dr Volek's perspective. So, if you do not have a medical condition. . . .hmmm. . . .0 -
I don't believe I have misinterpreted the fact that you keep saying that a ketogenic diet is not of benefit to someone unless they have a medical condition and that there is no fat burning advantage to a ketogenic diet. You have stated this and I disagree because your statements are unfounded based on my study of the subject. I have stated (now several times) that all plans do not work for everyone. I do not dispute this in any way. I do not malign a person's stated plan because that may also malign others.It's not condescending at all. I was asking a legitimate question (sorry if you read it as condescending). If you are so hardcore keto, that you can't evaluate science outside of that diet style, then you will have nothing but bias. This is my perception currently, based your second and third post and further demonstrated by your misinterpretation of my post.
I have stated REPEATEDLY that all plans do not work for all people, but they should also be sure they're doing that plan CORRECTLY for their needs.Like I stated, I have no issue with Keto diets. The question is, do you have the ability to understand that not everyone wants to restrict themselves their whole life? For many, not all, Keto is too restrictive. It's possible that the OP has changed his mind on the lifestyle.
It is possible the OP changed his mind, but we don't really know about the OP, and his stated plan IS keto. I don't find threads where people are struggling with low fat and calorie restriction and try to recruit them to keto. I instead support their decided plan and help thsm sort out obstacles, not up-end their entire plan. There are likely many things this individual is NOT doing with keto, and were he doing them, he might be successful.0 -
Unfortunately for you, Phinney and Volek advocate for ketogenic diets even for those who do not have the aforementioned conditions, but nice try at trying to twist things.The Art and Science of Low Carb Performance:
From Dr Volek's book
Our recent book 'The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living' was written for health care professionals, championing the benefits of carbohydrate restriction to manage insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome, and type-2 diabetes.
Seems medical conditions are prevalent from Dr Volek's perspective. So, if you do not have a medical condition. . . .hmmm. . . .0 -
Post your question here
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-group
over 8000 low carbers, not low carb haters.
I've been low carb for about 3 years. I don't eat fruit, or any other sugary foods. I eat green vegetables (broccoli, beans, zucchini, lettuce, cucumber etc). I don't do shakes or potions or anything processed. Perhaps that's part of your problem.
And other than the first week or two when your body is detoxing and getting all the wheat and crap out of your system - which can cause headaches and irritability - low carb doesn't cause bad temper. In fact most people that I've spoken to (many over the years here and on FB) all say the same thing. Their moods improve greatly.
Maybe you should try going more paleo, eat whole foods, no wheat, no potato, no rice, no sugar. No processed crap. Also, either do it, or don't. As far as I can tell, eating pasta on Wednesday, and a burger on Saturday is twice a week when you're throwing your body out of keto and loading up on unhealthy carbs - and then going through detoxing again. It's no wonder you're moody.
Look for other options. I'm sure your wife will understand if you want to avoid pasta and cook something else. Or substitute the pasta bit with zuchini noodles or something. Same with the burger. I bought one on the weekend. Double meat, double cheese, bacon, no ketchup. Ate the meat, cheese and bacon, and threw the bun out. It was great.
Read a book called Wheat Belly. You'll never put that rubbish in your body again.0 -
Unfortunately for you, Phinney and Volek advocate for ketogenic diets even for those who do not have the aforementioned conditions, but nice try at trying to twist things.The Art and Science of Low Carb Performance:
From Dr Volek's book
Our recent book 'The Art and Science of Low Carbohydrate Living' was written for health care professionals, championing the benefits of carbohydrate restriction to manage insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome, and type-2 diabetes.
Seems medical conditions are prevalent from Dr Volek's perspective. So, if you do not have a medical condition. . . .hmmm. . . .
It isn't unfortunate for me; when you advocate sugar burners versus fat burners I knew you were trolling. It is their book and their excerpt. For me, I lost a 1/3 of my body fat in 7 months doing nothing more then a moderate deficit and eating within my MACROS. How has your weight loss gone? How long have you been dieting using Keto? Why not share your efforts to help support what your advocating?0 -
http://ragingfitnessgeek.com/the-rock-dwayne-johnson-pain-gain-workout/
I have not offered, and I don't owe you anything.Open your profile, show us what Keto has done for you.
I will not open my profile for you to comb through since you are clearly biased and judgmental.
I have lost 59.6+ pounds since 3/5/2014. If you don't like it, that's just too bad.
Your harassment is not appreciated nor warranted.0 -
Wheat Belly LOLPost your question here
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-group
over 8000 low carbers, not low carb haters.
I've been low carb for about 3 years. I don't eat fruit, or any other sugary foods. I eat green vegetables (broccoli, beans, zucchini, lettuce, cucumber etc). I don't do shakes or potions or anything processed. Perhaps that's part of your problem.
And other than the first week or two when your body is detoxing and getting all the wheat and crap out of your system - which can cause headaches and irritability - low carb doesn't cause bad temper. In fact most people that I've spoken to (many over the years here and on FB) all say the same thing. Their moods improve greatly.
Maybe you should try going more paleo, eat whole foods, no wheat, no potato, no rice, no sugar. No processed crap. Also, either do it, or don't. As far as I can tell, eating pasta on Wednesday, and a burger on Saturday is twice a week when you're throwing your body out of keto and loading up on unhealthy carbs - and then going through detoxing again. It's no wonder you're moody.
Look for other options. I'm sure your wife will understand if you want to avoid pasta and cook something else. Or substitute the pasta bit with zuchini noodles or something. Same with the burger. I bought one on the weekend. Double meat, double cheese, bacon, no ketchup. Ate the meat, cheese and bacon, and threw the bun out. It was great.
Read a book called Wheat Belly. You'll never put that rubbish in your body again.
http://www.aaccnet.org/publications/plexus/cfw/pastissues/2012/OpenDocuments/CFW-57-4-0177.pdf0 -
I'm new to these boards, so if I'm on the wrong one I apologize.
I'm a 31 Male and really started dieting a few years ago. I was 270 and wasn't slowing down. I got my weight down through dieting to 215lbs. In December of this past year, I had gotten to 230 and was worried I could be gaining again. At Christmas time I took a couple months off from work to go run a start-up (doing well). So right after Christmas I finally decided to use that gym membership every day......and boy did I get hooked. I was going every morning for a couple hours a day and loving it. I feel in love with building muscle and making myself look better. The first week of February I was talking to a buddy who is a big fitness nut, and told him I wasn't getting exactly where I wanted to be. I was down to 215 but just looked "puffy" at night, when in the morning I looked good in the mirror. He recommended going on a "Keto" diet because he thought I was taking in to many carbs. My body was starting to take shape, but I really wanted to lose the belly fat more.
I started on the Keto diet on February 7th and ran it hardcore all the way up until the end of June. I had one cheat meal a week, but for the most part just ate tons of protein and lean fat. I decided to take a month off from it, because I was just feeling it wasn't working for me anymore. This is what my diet consisted of.
Breakfast - 4 to 6 scrambled eggs w/cheese
10am- 48g whey protein shake with two spoonfuls of natural peanut butter.
Lunch- 8oz of chicken, steak, or shrimp. I got to doing a Quest protein bar because of no appetite.
2pm- 48g whey protein shake with two spoonfuls of natural peanut butter.
Dinner - Anywhere from 8-16oz of chicken, steak, shrimp, or salmon.
10pm- 48g whey protein shake with two spoonfuls of natural peanut butter.
EVERYDAY! Currently as I type this I'm at 204lbs and 22% body fat. I'm 6'0 and I have really seen in 8 months what heavy workouts can do. I love the gym, and go 6 days a week. I talked to my Dad recently about what I could do different then the Keto diet to burn some more fat and reach my goal of 185. I feel like I have hit that wall, and he is a big fitness buff. I told him my days are....
1. Chest
2. Arms
3. Back
4. Legs
I repeat once I am done with back. The one thing he noticed was I was not doing cardio (I hate it with a passion, so boring to me). So he said I should incorporate low intensity cardio into my workout 50-60 mins a day if possible, and can have a cheat day once a week as long as I do the cardio. Suggested bringing my protein intake to 140g a day, because I taking to much in. Also suggested five to six meals a day so I can get the right amount of food in my body.
Here are my questions after this lengthy post. I have noticed within the last couple months that when I get home from work I'm very short on patience. My three year old son who means the world to me, can suffer from my short patience. Recently, it seems it's been more anger than short patience. Fine at the gym in the morning, and fine at work. After I get off I just seem like a different person. People have pointed out that they think the low carbs is doing this to me, and that I've got to introduce them back into my diet. I actually have a personal trainer appointment on Wednesday to talk nutrition and such. I've only got about 20lbs to go before my goal, and I don't want to go backwards. I did start on Friday with 50 minutes of cardio at the gym before lifting.
1. I want to have a diet where I watch the amount of consumption, but I feel like I can eat normally. I want to eat pasta on a Wednesday if my wife cooks it, or a burger on Saturday watching games. I am not going to change my workout schedule and will continue on cardio.
2. Is the low amount of carbs or food intake causing my attitude, and can it be corrected?
3. My weight loss areas of need are my oblique and abdominal area. There is muscle because I work on core every day, but need to get ride of the body fat still. Isn't much but a small grip, but still need it gone. I also have some excess body fat on my back near my triceps. Not much at all, but can see the size. Those are my areas that need cleaned up.
I would like some ideas from this community, as a buddy turned me onto this site. The biggest cause for concern is my attitude change and lack of patience with my son. With a daughter on the way in December, I want to be back to my normal self, while continuing to work on my body. My body now has given me confidence I haven't had since I was 18. I just want some normalcy with my attitude.
PS: I'm also on the GNC Ripped Vitapak if that helps.
First of all, I'd say take a break from dieting in general, and back off on the exercise, too. That's probably got you screwed up more than anything else -- you're approaching it as a race, when that approach is just going to hurt you in the long run. To be honest, your mentality sounds similar to that of an anorexic's -- fear of gaining weight, fear of certain foods for fear of gaining weight, excessive exercising. Take a break, find a way of eating that makes you feel good and that you can stick to, not for weight loss reasons, but for everyday health reasons -- it should fuel your body, but not cause things like puffiness, irritability, pain, etc (these things generally indicate an intolerance of some sort). Once you get that dialed in, then you can work on exercising and losing weight.
Keto is a great way of eating, but it's exactly that -- a way of eating. It's not a fad diet, it's intended to be a long-term eating framework. If you want to do it and approach it that way, then great! If you approach it as a diet (as-a-verb), then it will likely be a fail for you. Keto has many benefits, but magically faster weight loss is not one of them. The weight loss benefits come from increased adherence due to more satiety and less hunger, and generally naturally decreasing/regulating the calories in vs usage equation (on both sides of the equation).
That said, are you sure you were actually in ketosis? The foods you stated here are high in protein and not very high in fat, with the bulk of your fat coming from the peanut butter and eggs. (Side note - there is no such thing as "lean fat" -- those two words are mutually exclusive.) You also stated that you brought your protein down to 140g/day, which is still far and above most recommendations for keto. You don't mention whether you were struggling with it prior to June, though the cheat day and your meal outline suggests you might have been (in my experience, most ketoers have no real desire to cheat after the first month or so). I would argue that what you have here has too much protein and not enough fat to be ketogenic and looks more like a poorly thought-out very-low-carb plan. Low carb does not necessarily mean ketogenic.
"Normal" eating (whatever that is) and keto don't have to be mutually exclusive, and I think you're going about it wrong if you want to do an actual keto diet. Where did you come up with the meal outline you posted?
I follow a not-intentionally-keto-LCHF lifestyle, and I have burgers all the time, for example. In the case of the burger, you simply go bunless and/or use lettuce (or even a good, meaty tomato) for your "bun." Hamburger, especially the 80/20, is actually pretty good keto food -- toss on some mayo and mustard, add a slice of cheese, and you've got a fabulous keto-friendly burger. (The pasta is admittedly probably off the table, but to be honest? If you do a proper keto diet and quit the cheat days, you'd probably not miss it.)
As someone else mentioned, it's not clear when your short temper started. You said "the past couple of months." Does that mean since June? And did you restart your diet since June? If you didn't, then the diet can't be blamed at all, and may, in fact, be something you introduced back into your diet since June. There's really not enough information to determine what's causing this, if it's even something on your part (given that it doesn't start until you and your son are together, which suggests it might actually be his behavior, he is a three year old boy, after all).
If it's anything you're doing, I'd surmise it's lack of food in general, and lack of fat or carbs. If you're simply not fueling your body for what you're demanding of it, no amount of any macro is going to suffice. Additionally, your food you posted above is rather low in fat, and the bulk of the fat you do get is from the polyunsaturated Omega-6 fat, which really isn't great in large quantities, to the exclusion of Omega-3s and monounsaturated and saturated fats. Like everything else, not all fats are created equal, and you need a good variety to stay healthy.
Regardless of what way of eating you choose, make sure you remember the following:
- Eat enough food to fuel your workouts.
- Eat enough variety to get sufficient micronutrients. This doesn't actually require 10 servings of fruits and vegetables every day, but it does require living off more than just eggs, chicken, and peanut butter.
- Don't overdo the protein, especially if you go back to keto as a WOE. You only need around 100g of protein, give or take (1g/lb LBM is generally a sufficient top-end).
- Get your nutrients from whole and minimally processed foods as much as possible. Meats, fruits, nuts, vegetables, and good fats such as coconut oil, butter, olive oil, and animal fats (saturated and monounsaturated fats are king, polyunsaturated are good but don't need to dominate the diet and favor Omega-3 dominant fats over Omega-6 dominant fats, avoid trans fats like the plague). These should form the basis of your diet in whatever proportions you see fit. Grains are not required for a healthy diet, but include as you see fit, but pay attention to calorie and nutritional content to get the most out of whatever you eat.
- Don't fear fat, especially if you choose a low carb way of eating. Fat and carbs are your fuel source, protein is for tissue repair. When you reduce your carbs, you must increase your fats. If you don't, at best, your attempt will very likely fail (lack of both fat and carbs will trigger insatiable cravings; depending on the circumstances, this can happen in as little as a week), and at worst, you can do damage to your body (in extreme cases, living off only protein, or nearly only protein, is lethal). Fat is an essential nutrient, so no matter what path you go, make sure to get at least .35g/lb of total body weight in fat, to ensure proper hormone function, cell building, and neurological function.
No, these guidelines aren't for weight loss, necessarily. They're for health. When you keep your body healthy, getting to and maintaining a healthy weight becomes quite a bit easier.0 -
OP- - -if you have questions feel free to add them. If not, best of luck with your goals. Peace0
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*Grabs a bucket o bacon and watches the show*0
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Indeed, it is unfortunate for you. I stated sugar burners versus fat burners because these are two totally different ideologies.It isn't unfortunate for me; when you advocate sugar burners versus fat burners I knew you were trolling. It is their book and their excerpt. For me, I lost a 1/3 of my body fat in 7 months doing nothing more then a moderate deficit and eating within my MACROS. How has your weight loss gone? How long have you been dieting using Keto? Why not share your efforts to help support what your advocating?
You are judging their work on a single excerpt, and as we should all know, a single excerpt does not a full book make.
I eat within MY MACROS too.
As just stated, I have lost 59.6+ pounds since 3/24/2014 using a ketogenic diet. I have had no hunger and am healthier than I've been in 8 years. I'd love to get healthy enough to get back to skating like I used to (8 miles each weekday and 24 miles each weekend), but my life priorities have changed, so I don't guess that type of aggressive exercise will fit in my time budget.
It has been a life changer for me.0 -
add a few low carb veggies in...but keep doing what you are doing...
your body does not have to have carbs....
I eat about 10 to 15 carbs a day...
im just about offf insulin in just 3 months....
I do Paleo with a little PRIMAL in it.....
I call it Primleo.....
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im just about offf insulin in just 3 months....
You sir....are awesome. Congrats.0 -
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1. I want to have a diet where I watch the amount of consumption, but I feel like I can eat normally. I want to eat pasta on a Wednesday if my wife cooks it, or a burger on Saturday watching games. I am not going to change my workout schedule and will continue on cardio.
2. Is the low amount of carbs or food intake causing my attitude, and can it be corrected?
3. My weight loss areas of need are my oblique and abdominal area. There is muscle because I work on core every day, but need to get ride of the body fat still. Isn't much but a small grip, but still need it gone. I also have some excess body fat on my back near my triceps. Not much at all, but can see the size. Those are my areas that need cleaned up.
I would like some ideas from this community, as a buddy turned me onto this site. The biggest cause for concern is my attitude change and lack of patience with my son. With a daughter on the way in December, I want to be back to my normal self, while continuing to work on my body. My body now has given me confidence I haven't had since I was 18. I just want some normalcy with my attitude.
PS: I'm also on the GNC Ripped Vitapak if that helps.
1. As long as you don't have a medical reason to be low carb, then it's not a requirement to lose fat. Going low carb or keto will not increase fat loss. Now, if you do decide to add back carbs, you will gain weight because you will store additional glycogen/water. So if you prefer to eat whatever, maybe slowly add carbs (50gs a week or something) until you get to an acceptable level.
2. I know when I do anything less than 200g of carb, I get really lethargic which lead me to having a short temper at times but more importantly, it several diminished my workout performance.
3. In order to get abs, it's all about overall body fat % loss. Working targets will only make that area stronger. It will not by any means lower the fat in that area. Genetics will determine where the fat comes from.
Also, the number of meals and the timing of those meals is complete irrelevant when it comes to weight loss/fat loss. All that matters is achieving a deficit over a specific period of time.
Hallelujah! The voice of reason!0 -
Wheat Belly LOLPost your question here
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-group
over 8000 low carbers, not low carb haters.
I've been low carb for about 3 years. I don't eat fruit, or any other sugary foods. I eat green vegetables (broccoli, beans, zucchini, lettuce, cucumber etc). I don't do shakes or potions or anything processed. Perhaps that's part of your problem.
And other than the first week or two when your body is detoxing and getting all the wheat and crap out of your system - which can cause headaches and irritability - low carb doesn't cause bad temper. In fact most people that I've spoken to (many over the years here and on FB) all say the same thing. Their moods improve greatly.
Maybe you should try going more paleo, eat whole foods, no wheat, no potato, no rice, no sugar. No processed crap. Also, either do it, or don't. As far as I can tell, eating pasta on Wednesday, and a burger on Saturday is twice a week when you're throwing your body out of keto and loading up on unhealthy carbs - and then going through detoxing again. It's no wonder you're moody.
Look for other options. I'm sure your wife will understand if you want to avoid pasta and cook something else. Or substitute the pasta bit with zuchini noodles or something. Same with the burger. I bought one on the weekend. Double meat, double cheese, bacon, no ketchup. Ate the meat, cheese and bacon, and threw the bun out. It was great.
Read a book called Wheat Belly. You'll never put that rubbish in your body again.
http://www.aaccnet.org/publications/plexus/cfw/pastissues/2012/OpenDocuments/CFW-57-4-0177.pdf
Yes, very clever, you found another opinion. Tis the internet after all. Would be impressive if you knew what you were talking about. There's plenty of current science that has proven the relationship between a high carb diet and the raft of health problems we have now. You sit back with your sandwich and LOL about things you don't understand.0 -
Ever hear of the Blue Zones? The healthiest, longest living populations in the world. Their predominant macronutrient is carbohydrates. Starches, plants and grains make up the bulk of their diets.
Wheat Belly LOLPost your question here
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-group
over 8000 low carbers, not low carb haters.
I've been low carb for about 3 years. I don't eat fruit, or any other sugary foods. I eat green vegetables (broccoli, beans, zucchini, lettuce, cucumber etc). I don't do shakes or potions or anything processed. Perhaps that's part of your problem.
And other than the first week or two when your body is detoxing and getting all the wheat and crap out of your system - which can cause headaches and irritability - low carb doesn't cause bad temper. In fact most people that I've spoken to (many over the years here and on FB) all say the same thing. Their moods improve greatly.
Maybe you should try going more paleo, eat whole foods, no wheat, no potato, no rice, no sugar. No processed crap. Also, either do it, or don't. As far as I can tell, eating pasta on Wednesday, and a burger on Saturday is twice a week when you're throwing your body out of keto and loading up on unhealthy carbs - and then going through detoxing again. It's no wonder you're moody.
Look for other options. I'm sure your wife will understand if you want to avoid pasta and cook something else. Or substitute the pasta bit with zuchini noodles or something. Same with the burger. I bought one on the weekend. Double meat, double cheese, bacon, no ketchup. Ate the meat, cheese and bacon, and threw the bun out. It was great.
Read a book called Wheat Belly. You'll never put that rubbish in your body again.
http://www.aaccnet.org/publications/plexus/cfw/pastissues/2012/OpenDocuments/CFW-57-4-0177.pdf
Yes, very clever, you found another opinion. Tis the internet after all. Would be impressive if you knew what you were talking about. There's plenty of current science that has proven the relationship between a high carb diet and the raft of health problems we have now. You sit back with your sandwich and LOL about things you don't understand.0 -
Superior? No. But harassment is trying to bully someone into opening up private information - repeatedly. It is private because it is mine. Those I befriend can see it, but you don't seem like much of a friend if you keep asking.Harassment? Lol. Because your ideas are challenged. Classic. Soon I guess we will all be Bullies. You adamantly push an idea you can't even show works for you. But yet you are superior. Lol. LOL
Oh yea, and the Rock does keto, lol, nope.
I will give you this since MFP would not give you the values easily since I do alternate day fasting: My numbers look like this on average for a week:
1180 calories 71.766% Fat, 22.448 7% protein, 7.971% carb.0 -
Oh yea, and the Rock does keto, lol, nope.
Yup. https://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/dwayne-rock-johnson-bulks-fast-five-012704296.html
And so did Hugh Jackman for his roles as Wolverine.0 -
Here is the Rocks diet about 450-500 grams of carbs a day.
Harassment? Lol. Because your ideas are challenged. Classic. Soon I guess we will all be Bullies. You adamantly push an idea you can't even show works for you. But yet you are superior. Lol. LOLhttp://ragingfitnessgeek.com/the-rock-dwayne-johnson-pain-gain-workout/
I have not offered, and I don't owe you anything.Open your profile, show us what Keto has done for you.
I will not open my profile for you to comb through since you are clearly biased and judgmental.
I have lost 59.6+ pounds since 3/5/2014. If you don't like it, that's just too bad.
Your harassment is not appreciated nor warranted.
Oh yea, and the Rock does keto, lol, nope.0 -
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I'm not sure about your reading comprehension, but it is clearly documented that Dwayne Johnson has low carbed. Depending upon what you call low carb, and your activity/body composition, etc it can be ketogenic. Even 0.1 mmol/l blood is considered being in ketosis. So I'm not sure what you're getting at?Bro, do you even Keto?????
I bet you bully though, amirite?
How is this post of yours not bullying?0 -
If my profile is private, it is private for a reason. Taunting and bullying me into opening it for YOUR review, repeatedly when told I will not is, in fact, inappropriate at best. My information is not your information. Deal with it.Oh brother. Asking something twice is now harassment and bullying. People like you that use that bully word have never known what it's like to be actually bullied. It's pretty pathetic. Grown adults crying about online bullies.
The feeling is mutual, sweetheart.You wouldn't be worthy of my friendship. Plus, sad friends get deleted. Your existence would be short lived.0
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