Good Carb....Bad Carb
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I absolutely agree bread alone is more "rushy" than bread with something blunting it like cheese or oil or PB. For me, I know, heavily refined carbs (donuts, pastries etc) often lead to the desire to eat more than I normally do...so I consider that as well.
And yet some cause a significant rise in blood sugar, and some don't. Some are nutrient dense, some are not.Carbs are carbs. They are not bad or good.
The body processes all carbs the same way.
Some have lots of good fiber, some do not.
Call em good and bad, whatever you'd like, there's GOOD reason to eat more of some and less of some.
I think the blood sugar thing, especially when people focus on GI, and not actual experiences, is overrated, especially for healthy people. It's rare that people eat just carbs or even mostly carbs in the context of a meal. IME, eating a bagel on it's own will lead to perceivable effects of an increase and decrease in blood sugar (at least I assume that's what causes the high and low effect), but eating a sandwich with fat and protein on a bagel would not cause that effect at all. (Personally, I still wouldn't, as neither the pleasure nor slight nutrient value of the refined flour bagel (or even a whole wheat bagel) is likely to be sufficient for me, based on my personal tastes, to outweigh other possible uses of the calories, but if someone else has different preferences, blood sugar isn't really the issue if they incorporate the food sensibly within their overall diet.)
I also suppose that this might well be different if someone has more problems regulating blood sugar, like IR or diabetes.
Agree, obviously, that carbs differ with respect to nutrition and fiber.
It just isn't worth it to me these days to eat heavily refined carbs. Does that make them "bad"? Bad for my own personal diet, yes.
Do I call them "bad"? No, they are just on the list of things I eat VERY rarely.
Life's too short to eat crappy carbs. :happy:0 -
Good carbs have a Halo and bad ones a flaming PitchforkIs there a way to differentiate between good and bad carbs in the food diary?
I am trying this "low carb" thing on my doctors advice....and I like it so far...but I sometimes go over on carbs when eating low carb approved foods, so I am assuming they are good carbs....right?0 -
Is there a way to differentiate between good and bad carbs in the food diary?
I am trying this "low carb" thing on my doctors advice....and I like it so far...but I sometimes go over on carbs when eating low carb approved foods, so I am assuming they are good carbs....right?
Depends on what it is ... if it's all fruit and veggies I wouldn't sweat it... I go over my carbs on the daily but they all come from fruit and veggies and nothing else.
This precisely. Not other discussion, bro-science or otherwise, is necessary.
Your diet should look like this carb-wise:
Most carbs: veggies
Some carbs: fruits
Sparingly: grains and starches
Some low-carb, but not "low-low-carb" do the net carbs thing. It motivates you to choose higher fiber options. Which indirectly often helps your calorie count and helps you choose the more nutrient dense foods. Win/win.
I wouldn't worry about all the Glycemic Index arguments unless you either have blood sugar probs or need inspiration for additions to your "good carb" list.0 -
The Blue Zone populations eat a lot of starches and grains. They live longer and healthier than any other populations in the world.Is there a way to differentiate between good and bad carbs in the food diary?
I am trying this "low carb" thing on my doctors advice....and I like it so far...but I sometimes go over on carbs when eating low carb approved foods, so I am assuming they are good carbs....right?
Depends on what it is ... if it's all fruit and veggies I wouldn't sweat it... I go over my carbs on the daily but they all come from fruit and veggies and nothing else.
This precisely. Not other discussion, bro-science or otherwise, is necessary.
Your diet should look like this carb-wise:
Most carbs: veggies
Some carbs: fruits
Sparingly: grains and starches
Some low-carb, but not "low-low-carb" do the net carbs thing. It motivates you to choose higher fiber options. Which indirectly often helps your calorie count and helps you choose the more nutrient dense foods. Win/win.
I wouldn't worry about all the Glycemic Index arguments unless you either have blood sugar probs or need inspiration for additions to your "good carb" list.0 -
I absolutely agree bread alone is more "rushy" than bread with something blunting it like cheese or oil or PB. For me, I know, heavily refined carbs (donuts, pastries etc) often lead to the desire to eat more than I normally do...so I consider that as well.
And yet some cause a significant rise in blood sugar, and some don't. Some are nutrient dense, some are not.Carbs are carbs. They are not bad or good.
The body processes all carbs the same way.
Some have lots of good fiber, some do not.
Call em good and bad, whatever you'd like, there's GOOD reason to eat more of some and less of some.
I think the blood sugar thing, especially when people focus on GI, and not actual experiences, is overrated, especially for healthy people. It's rare that people eat just carbs or even mostly carbs in the context of a meal. IME, eating a bagel on it's own will lead to perceivable effects of an increase and decrease in blood sugar (at least I assume that's what causes the high and low effect), but eating a sandwich with fat and protein on a bagel would not cause that effect at all. (Personally, I still wouldn't, as neither the pleasure nor slight nutrient value of the refined flour bagel (or even a whole wheat bagel) is likely to be sufficient for me, based on my personal tastes, to outweigh other possible uses of the calories, but if someone else has different preferences, blood sugar isn't really the issue if they incorporate the food sensibly within their overall diet.)
I also suppose that this might well be different if someone has more problems regulating blood sugar, like IR or diabetes.
Agree, obviously, that carbs differ with respect to nutrition and fiber.
It just isn't worth it to me these days to eat heavily refined carbs. Does that make them "bad"? Bad for my own personal diet, yes.
Do I call them "bad"? No, they are just on the list of things I eat VERY rarely.
Life's too short to eat crappy carbs. :happy:
Yes. Agree.
I've found that different carbs affect people differently. When I had gestational diabetes during my last pregnancy (that crap's gone now), I found my blood sugar was fine with normal servings of pasta. Potatoes, rice and bread sent it up big-time. Other people I know can't do pasta, and it has the same effect on their blood sugar as bread did on mine. So the glycemic index isn't as cut-and -dried as they would like to insinuate, but it is still a good general guideline.
And I agree, eating certain kinds of carbs alone, or in combination with other kinds of foods, is absorbed differently.0 -
Is there a way to differentiate between good and bad carbs in the food diary?
I am trying this "low carb" thing on my doctors advice....and I like it so far...but I sometimes go over on carbs when eating low carb approved foods, so I am assuming they are good carbs....right?
Depends on what it is ... if it's all fruit and veggies I wouldn't sweat it... I go over my carbs on the daily but they all come from fruit and veggies and nothing else.
This precisely. Not other discussion, bro-science or otherwise, is necessary.
Your diet should look like this carb-wise:
Most carbs: veggies
Some carbs: fruits
Sparingly: grains and starches
In your opinion.0 -
Is there a way to differentiate between good and bad carbs in the food diary?
I am trying this "low carb" thing on my doctors advice....and I like it so far...but I sometimes go over on carbs when eating low carb approved foods, so I am assuming they are good carbs....right?
Depends on what it is ... if it's all fruit and veggies I wouldn't sweat it... I go over my carbs on the daily but they all come from fruit and veggies and nothing else.
This precisely. Not other discussion, bro-science or otherwise, is necessary.
Your diet should look like this carb-wise:
Most carbs: veggies
Some carbs: fruits
Sparingly: grains and starches
In your opinion.
Pretty sure that 99% of every reply on this entire forum is someone or other's opinion. Or contains a link to someone's opinion. Just like it appears that your comment is suggesting that it is your opinion that my opinion isn't valid. Unless you are an expert of some kind...:huh:
And we all know what they say about opinions...
That aside, I think that if we are considering the OP's question which was about lowering carbohydrate intake, we don't need to go off on a discussion of every aspect under the sun of low-carbing, insulin resistance, or the good-carb/bad-carb argument. Some things, though good information, are irrelevant to the posed question.
But obviously that is just an opinion.
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Is there a way to differentiate between good and bad carbs in the food diary?
I am trying this "low carb" thing on my doctors advice....and I like it so far...but I sometimes go over on carbs when eating low carb approved foods, so I am assuming they are good carbs....right?
Depends on what it is ... if it's all fruit and veggies I wouldn't sweat it... I go over my carbs on the daily but they all come from fruit and veggies and nothing else.
This precisely. Not other discussion, bro-science or otherwise, is necessary.
Your diet should look like this carb-wise:
Most carbs: veggies
Some carbs: fruits
Sparingly: grains and starches
In your opinion.
Pretty sure that 99% of every reply on this entire forum is someone or other's opinion. Or contains a link to someone's opinion. Just like it appears that your comment is suggesting that it is your opinion that my opinion isn't valid. Unless you are an expert of some kind...:huh:
And we all know what they say about opinions...
That aside, I think that if we are considering the OP's question which was about lowering carbohydrate intake, we don't need to go off on a discussion of every aspect under the sun of low-carbing, insulin resistance, or the good-carb/bad-carb argument. Some things, though good information, are irrelevant to the posed question.
But obviously that is just an opinion.
Actually, the OP was interested in differentiating between good carbs and bad carbs so I'm not sure why there wouldn't be a good carb/bad carb discussion.0 -
Is there a way to differentiate between good and bad carbs in the food diary?
I am trying this "low carb" thing on my doctors advice....and I like it so far...but I sometimes go over on carbs when eating low carb approved foods, so I am assuming they are good carbs....right?
Depends on what it is ... if it's all fruit and veggies I wouldn't sweat it... I go over my carbs on the daily but they all come from fruit and veggies and nothing else.
This precisely. Not other discussion, bro-science or otherwise, is necessary.
Your diet should look like this carb-wise:
Most carbs: veggies
Some carbs: fruits
Sparingly: grains and starches
In your opinion.
Pretty sure that 99% of every reply on this entire forum is someone or other's opinion. Or contains a link to someone's opinion. Just like it appears that your comment is suggesting that it is your opinion that my opinion isn't valid. Unless you are an expert of some kind...:huh:
And we all know what they say about opinions...
That aside, I think that if we are considering the OP's question which was about lowering carbohydrate intake, we don't need to go off on a discussion of every aspect under the sun of low-carbing, insulin resistance, or the good-carb/bad-carb argument. Some things, though good information, are irrelevant to the posed question.
But obviously that is just an opinion.
Actually, the OP was interested in differentiating between good carbs and bad carbs so I'm not sure why there wouldn't be a good carb/bad carb discussion.
My opinion, as you correctly identified it, was based upon the post I quoted, indicating that veggies and fruit are what OP should be concerned with. I was just saying that it isn't necessary to get mired in the discussion. The quick and dirty is that what are considered "good carbs" are primarily: veggies and fruits. And a little grains. I was opting for the quick answer to what OP wanted to know. I apologize if I was not clear.
Edit: Also, you forgot to add the rest of the post of mine that you quoted, which is this:Some low-carb, but not "low-low-carb" do the net carbs thing. It motivates you to choose higher fiber options. Which indirectly often helps your calorie count and helps you choose the more nutrient dense foods. Win/win.
I wouldn't worry about all the Glycemic Index arguments unless you either have blood sugar probs or need inspiration for additions to your "good carb" list.0 -
Is there a way to differentiate between good and bad carbs in the food diary?
I am trying this "low carb" thing on my doctors advice....and I like it so far...but I sometimes go over on carbs when eating low carb approved foods, so I am assuming they are good carbs....right?
Depends on what it is ... if it's all fruit and veggies I wouldn't sweat it... I go over my carbs on the daily but they all come from fruit and veggies and nothing else.
This precisely. Not other discussion, bro-science or otherwise, is necessary.
Your diet should look like this carb-wise:
Most carbs: veggies
Some carbs: fruits
Sparingly: grains and starches
In your opinion.
Pretty sure that 99% of every reply on this entire forum is someone or other's opinion. Or contains a link to someone's opinion. Just like it appears that your comment is suggesting that it is your opinion that my opinion isn't valid. Unless you are an expert of some kind...:huh:
And we all know what they say about opinions...
That aside, I think that if we are considering the OP's question which was about lowering carbohydrate intake, we don't need to go off on a discussion of every aspect under the sun of low-carbing, insulin resistance, or the good-carb/bad-carb argument. Some things, though good information, are irrelevant to the posed question.
But obviously that is just an opinion.
Actually, the OP was interested in differentiating between good carbs and bad carbs so I'm not sure why there wouldn't be a good carb/bad carb discussion.
My opinion, as you correctly identified it, was based upon the post I quoted, indicating that veggies and fruit are what OP should be concerned with. I was just saying that it isn't necessary to get mired in the discussion. The quick and dirty is that what are considered "good carbs" are primarily: veggies and fruits. And a little grains. I was opting for the quick answer to what OP wanted to know. I apologize if I was not clear.
Who doesn't consider whole grains are good carbs? I'm talking medical or nutrition experts here, not just random personal opinions.0 -
The Blue Zone populations eat a lot of starches and grains. They live longer and healthier than any other populations in the world.Is there a way to differentiate between good and bad carbs in the food diary?
I am trying this "low carb" thing on my doctors advice....and I like it so far...but I sometimes go over on carbs when eating low carb approved foods, so I am assuming they are good carbs....right?
Depends on what it is ... if it's all fruit and veggies I wouldn't sweat it... I go over my carbs on the daily but they all come from fruit and veggies and nothing else.
This precisely. Not other discussion, bro-science or otherwise, is necessary.
Your diet should look like this carb-wise:
Most carbs: veggies
Some carbs: fruits
Sparingly: grains and starches
Some low-carb, but not "low-low-carb" do the net carbs thing. It motivates you to choose higher fiber options. Which indirectly often helps your calorie count and helps you choose the more nutrient dense foods. Win/win.
I wouldn't worry about all the Glycemic Index arguments unless you either have blood sugar probs or need inspiration for additions to your "good carb" list.
Yes. And? Why is that the case? I'm not saying that it isn't the case. There are obviously other factors going on other than glycemic content of the diet.0 -
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Is there a way to differentiate between good and bad carbs in the food diary?
I am trying this "low carb" thing on my doctors advice....and I like it so far...but I sometimes go over on carbs when eating low carb approved foods, so I am assuming they are good carbs....right?
Depends on what it is ... if it's all fruit and veggies I wouldn't sweat it... I go over my carbs on the daily but they all come from fruit and veggies and nothing else.
This precisely. Not other discussion, bro-science or otherwise, is necessary.
Your diet should look like this carb-wise:
Most carbs: veggies
Some carbs: fruits
Sparingly: grains and starches
In your opinion.
Pretty sure that 99% of every reply on this entire forum is someone or other's opinion. Or contains a link to someone's opinion. Just like it appears that your comment is suggesting that it is your opinion that my opinion isn't valid. Unless you are an expert of some kind...:huh:
And we all know what they say about opinions...
That aside, I think that if we are considering the OP's question which was about lowering carbohydrate intake, we don't need to go off on a discussion of every aspect under the sun of low-carbing, insulin resistance, or the good-carb/bad-carb argument. Some things, though good information, are irrelevant to the posed question.
But obviously that is just an opinion.
Actually, the OP was interested in differentiating between good carbs and bad carbs so I'm not sure why there wouldn't be a good carb/bad carb discussion.
My opinion, as you correctly identified it, was based upon the post I quoted, indicating that veggies and fruit are what OP should be concerned with. I was just saying that it isn't necessary to get mired in the discussion. The quick and dirty is that what are considered "good carbs" are primarily: veggies and fruits. And a little grains. I was opting for the quick answer to what OP wanted to know. I apologize if I was not clear.
I understand your opinion. I just don't agree with it. My first reply to you was to make sure the OP didn't take it as a fact since it was presented as such by saying no further discussion is needed insinuating that everyone believes what you stated.0 -
Good carb , bad carb, you know I've had my share......0
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Is there a way to differentiate between good and bad carbs in the food diary?
I am trying this "low carb" thing on my doctors advice....and I like it so far...but I sometimes go over on carbs when eating low carb approved foods, so I am assuming they are good carbs....right?
Depends on what it is ... if it's all fruit and veggies I wouldn't sweat it... I go over my carbs on the daily but they all come from fruit and veggies and nothing else.
This precisely. Not other discussion, bro-science or otherwise, is necessary.
Your diet should look like this carb-wise:
Most carbs: veggies
Some carbs: fruits
Sparingly: grains and starches
In your opinion.
Pretty sure that 99% of every reply on this entire forum is someone or other's opinion. Or contains a link to someone's opinion. Just like it appears that your comment is suggesting that it is your opinion that my opinion isn't valid. Unless you are an expert of some kind...:huh:
And we all know what they say about opinions...
That aside, I think that if we are considering the OP's question which was about lowering carbohydrate intake, we don't need to go off on a discussion of every aspect under the sun of low-carbing, insulin resistance, or the good-carb/bad-carb argument. Some things, though good information, are irrelevant to the posed question.
But obviously that is just an opinion.
Actually, the OP was interested in differentiating between good carbs and bad carbs so I'm not sure why there wouldn't be a good carb/bad carb discussion.
My opinion, as you correctly identified it, was based upon the post I quoted, indicating that veggies and fruit are what OP should be concerned with. I was just saying that it isn't necessary to get mired in the discussion. The quick and dirty is that what are considered "good carbs" are primarily: veggies and fruits. And a little grains. I was opting for the quick answer to what OP wanted to know. I apologize if I was not clear.
I understand your opinion. I just don't agree with it. My first reply to you was to make sure the OP didn't take it as a fact since it was presented as such by saying no further discussion is needed insinuating that everyone believes what you stated.
Yes, but you forgot this part of the post you quoted:Some low-carb, but not "low-low-carb" do the net carbs thing. It motivates you to choose higher fiber options. Which indirectly often helps your calorie count and helps you choose the more nutrient dense foods. Win/win.
I wouldn't worry about all the Glycemic Index arguments unless you either have blood sugar probs or need inspiration for additions to your "good carb" list.0 -
Carbs are carbs. They are not bad or good.
The body processes all carbs the same way.
Not true.
The glycemic index measures how fast this digestion process occurs.
Fast carbs have a higher glycemic index which lead to an faster elevation of your blood sugar.
Slow carbs have a low glycemic index.
Fast carbs: Foods with a high glycemic index include processed carbohydrates such as breads, cereals, sugars, fruits and some starchy vegetables
If eaten regularly, fast carbs can keep your blood sugar elevated, causing weight gain and a higher risk of type 2 diabetes, obesity, metabolic syndrome and cardiovascular disease
Fast carbs are extremely beneficial when eaten before exercising.
Therefore when bulking most people tend to eat more of these carbs just before working out.
The fast rise in blood sugar is critical for restoring glycogen in the muscles and liver when eaten withing 2 hours of exercice.
Slow carbs:Foods with a low glycemic index are considered slow carbs, which include most vegetables, whole grains, seeds, nuts, beans, peas and legumes. Slow carbs also tend to be higher in fiber
Slow carbs can provide your body with energy over an extended period of time without a rapid elevation in blood sugar. A low glycemic index diet can aid in weight loss when combined with regular exercising.
And then there is the part of Insulin that has to be taken into consideration
Insulin
Insulin is a hormone that controls how cells in your body absorb nutrients from the blood
Your body maintains a small supply of the sugar glucose in the blood tomake your heart pumpin and your brain functioning at all times
When nutrients in the blood rise, your pancreas produces the hormone insulin, which signals to cells that it is needed to absorb nutrients
If blood sugar is chronically elevated, the cells in the pancreas that produce insulin fatigue and eventually die, resulting in type 2 diabetes where cells throughout your body are unable to supply themselves with nutrients as needed.
All of which is irrelevant if you are eating at a defecit. :devil:0 -
I won't argue CICO, but I will say this stuff is knowledge that can aid one in CREATING and MAINTAINING a desired deficit.Carbs are carbs. They are not bad or good.
The body processes all carbs the same way.
Not true.
The glycemic index measures how fast this digestion process occurs.
Fast carbs have a higher glycemic index which lead to an faster elevation of your blood sugar.
Slow carbs have a low glycemic index.
Fast carbs: Foods with a high glycemic index include processed carbohydrates such as breads, cereals, sugars, fruits and some starchy vegetables
If eaten regularly, fast carbs can keep your blood sugar elevated, causing weight gain and a higher risk of type 2 diabetes, obesity, metabolic syndrome and cardiovascular disease
Fast carbs are extremely beneficial when eaten before exercising.
Therefore when bulking most people tend to eat more of these carbs just before working out.
The fast rise in blood sugar is critical for restoring glycogen in the muscles and liver when eaten withing 2 hours of exercice.
Slow carbs:Foods with a low glycemic index are considered slow carbs, which include most vegetables, whole grains, seeds, nuts, beans, peas and legumes. Slow carbs also tend to be higher in fiber
Slow carbs can provide your body with energy over an extended period of time without a rapid elevation in blood sugar. A low glycemic index diet can aid in weight loss when combined with regular exercising.
And then there is the part of Insulin that has to be taken into consideration
Insulin
Insulin is a hormone that controls how cells in your body absorb nutrients from the blood
Your body maintains a small supply of the sugar glucose in the blood tomake your heart pumpin and your brain functioning at all times
When nutrients in the blood rise, your pancreas produces the hormone insulin, which signals to cells that it is needed to absorb nutrients
If blood sugar is chronically elevated, the cells in the pancreas that produce insulin fatigue and eventually die, resulting in type 2 diabetes where cells throughout your body are unable to supply themselves with nutrients as needed.
All of which is irrelevant if you are eating at a defecit. :devil:0 -
Is there a way to differentiate between good and bad carbs in the food diary?
I am trying this "low carb" thing on my doctors advice....and I like it so far...but I sometimes go over on carbs when eating low carb approved foods, so I am assuming they are good carbs....right?
Depends on what it is ... if it's all fruit and veggies I wouldn't sweat it... I go over my carbs on the daily but they all come from fruit and veggies and nothing else.
This precisely. Not other discussion, bro-science or otherwise, is necessary.
Your diet should look like this carb-wise:
Most carbs: veggies
Some carbs: fruits
Sparingly: grains and starches
In your opinion.
Pretty sure that 99% of every reply on this entire forum is someone or other's opinion. Or contains a link to someone's opinion. Just like it appears that your comment is suggesting that it is your opinion that my opinion isn't valid. Unless you are an expert of some kind...:huh:
And we all know what they say about opinions...
That aside, I think that if we are considering the OP's question which was about lowering carbohydrate intake, we don't need to go off on a discussion of every aspect under the sun of low-carbing, insulin resistance, or the good-carb/bad-carb argument. Some things, though good information, are irrelevant to the posed question.
But obviously that is just an opinion.
Actually, the OP was interested in differentiating between good carbs and bad carbs so I'm not sure why there wouldn't be a good carb/bad carb discussion.
My opinion, as you correctly identified it, was based upon the post I quoted, indicating that veggies and fruit are what OP should be concerned with. I was just saying that it isn't necessary to get mired in the discussion. The quick and dirty is that what are considered "good carbs" are primarily: veggies and fruits. And a little grains. I was opting for the quick answer to what OP wanted to know. I apologize if I was not clear.
I understand your opinion. I just don't agree with it. My first reply to you was to make sure the OP didn't take it as a fact since it was presented as such by saying no further discussion is needed insinuating that everyone believes what you stated.
Yes, but you forgot this part of the post you quoted:Some low-carb, but not "low-low-carb" do the net carbs thing. It motivates you to choose higher fiber options. Which indirectly often helps your calorie count and helps you choose the more nutrient dense foods. Win/win.
I wouldn't worry about all the Glycemic Index arguments unless you either have blood sugar probs or need inspiration for additions to your "good carb" list.
Yes, cause it has nothing to do with the disagreement.0 -
Ooooo, I love this game! I wanna play bad Carb.
Heh. :smokin:0 -
Is there a way to differentiate between good and bad carbs in the food diary?
I am trying this "low carb" thing on my doctors advice....and I like it so far...but I sometimes go over on carbs when eating low carb approved foods, so I am assuming they are good carbs....right?
Depends on what it is ... if it's all fruit and veggies I wouldn't sweat it... I go over my carbs on the daily but they all come from fruit and veggies and nothing else.
This precisely. Not other discussion, bro-science or otherwise, is necessary.
Your diet should look like this carb-wise:
Most carbs: veggies
Some carbs: fruits
Sparingly: grains and starches
In your opinion.
Pretty sure that 99% of every reply on this entire forum is someone or other's opinion. Or contains a link to someone's opinion. Just like it appears that your comment is suggesting that it is your opinion that my opinion isn't valid. Unless you are an expert of some kind...:huh:
And we all know what they say about opinions...
That aside, I think that if we are considering the OP's question which was about lowering carbohydrate intake, we don't need to go off on a discussion of every aspect under the sun of low-carbing, insulin resistance, or the good-carb/bad-carb argument. Some things, though good information, are irrelevant to the posed question.
But obviously that is just an opinion.
Actually, the OP was interested in differentiating between good carbs and bad carbs so I'm not sure why there wouldn't be a good carb/bad carb discussion.
My opinion, as you correctly identified it, was based upon the post I quoted, indicating that veggies and fruit are what OP should be concerned with. I was just saying that it isn't necessary to get mired in the discussion. The quick and dirty is that what are considered "good carbs" are primarily: veggies and fruits. And a little grains. I was opting for the quick answer to what OP wanted to know. I apologize if I was not clear.
Who doesn't consider whole grains are good carbs? I'm talking medical or nutrition experts here, not just random personal opinions.
Beats me. I didn't say it.
Dr. William David and Dr. David Perlmutter think grain is bad. And it certainly is to those with gluten sensitivity and Celiac. I never said grains weren't considered good carbs.0 -
Carbs are carbs. They are not bad or good.
The body processes all carbs the same way.
Not true at all. Sugar and simple carbs (bad carbs) vs complex carbs (good carbs). I avoid all carbs, unless they are from veggies.0 -
Is there a way to differentiate between good and bad carbs in the food diary?
I am trying this "low carb" thing on my doctors advice....and I like it so far...but I sometimes go over on carbs when eating low carb approved foods, so I am assuming they are good carbs....right?
Depends on what it is ... if it's all fruit and veggies I wouldn't sweat it... I go over my carbs on the daily but they all come from fruit and veggies and nothing else.
This precisely. Not other discussion, bro-science or otherwise, is necessary.
Your diet should look like this carb-wise:
Most carbs: veggies
Some carbs: fruits
Sparingly: grains and starches
In your opinion.
Pretty sure that 99% of every reply on this entire forum is someone or other's opinion. Or contains a link to someone's opinion. Just like it appears that your comment is suggesting that it is your opinion that my opinion isn't valid. Unless you are an expert of some kind...:huh:
And we all know what they say about opinions...
That aside, I think that if we are considering the OP's question which was about lowering carbohydrate intake, we don't need to go off on a discussion of every aspect under the sun of low-carbing, insulin resistance, or the good-carb/bad-carb argument. Some things, though good information, are irrelevant to the posed question.
But obviously that is just an opinion.
Actually, the OP was interested in differentiating between good carbs and bad carbs so I'm not sure why there wouldn't be a good carb/bad carb discussion.
My opinion, as you correctly identified it, was based upon the post I quoted, indicating that veggies and fruit are what OP should be concerned with. I was just saying that it isn't necessary to get mired in the discussion. The quick and dirty is that what are considered "good carbs" are primarily: veggies and fruits. And a little grains. I was opting for the quick answer to what OP wanted to know. I apologize if I was not clear.
Who doesn't consider whole grains are good carbs? I'm talking medical or nutrition experts here, not just random personal opinions.
Beats me. I didn't say it.
Dr. William David and Dr. David Perlmutter think grain is bad. And it certainly is to those with gluten sensitivity and Celiac. I never said grains weren't considered good carbs.
No, but saying that they should be eaten "sparingly" insinuates that they are bad. Same with fruit being number 2.0 -
Who doesn't consider whole grains are good carbs? I'm talking medical or nutrition experts here, not just random personal opinions.
William Davis, MD (author, "Wheat Belly"); David Perlmutter, MD (author: "Grain Brain"); Gary Taubes ("Good Calories, Bad Calories" and "Why We Get Fat, and What to Do About It")
^^^ all excellent reads.0 -
Is there a way to differentiate between good and bad carbs in the food diary?
I am trying this "low carb" thing on my doctors advice....and I like it so far...but I sometimes go over on carbs when eating low carb approved foods, so I am assuming they are good carbs....right?
Depends on what it is ... if it's all fruit and veggies I wouldn't sweat it... I go over my carbs on the daily but they all come from fruit and veggies and nothing else.
This precisely. Not other discussion, bro-science or otherwise, is necessary.
Your diet should look like this carb-wise:
Most carbs: veggies
Some carbs: fruits
Sparingly: grains and starches
In your opinion.
Pretty sure that 99% of every reply on this entire forum is someone or other's opinion. Or contains a link to someone's opinion. Just like it appears that your comment is suggesting that it is your opinion that my opinion isn't valid. Unless you are an expert of some kind...:huh:
And we all know what they say about opinions...
That aside, I think that if we are considering the OP's question which was about lowering carbohydrate intake, we don't need to go off on a discussion of every aspect under the sun of low-carbing, insulin resistance, or the good-carb/bad-carb argument. Some things, though good information, are irrelevant to the posed question.
But obviously that is just an opinion.
Actually, the OP was interested in differentiating between good carbs and bad carbs so I'm not sure why there wouldn't be a good carb/bad carb discussion.
My opinion, as you correctly identified it, was based upon the post I quoted, indicating that veggies and fruit are what OP should be concerned with. I was just saying that it isn't necessary to get mired in the discussion. The quick and dirty is that what are considered "good carbs" are primarily: veggies and fruits. And a little grains. I was opting for the quick answer to what OP wanted to know. I apologize if I was not clear.
I understand your opinion. I just don't agree with it. My first reply to you was to make sure the OP didn't take it as a fact since it was presented as such by saying no further discussion is needed insinuating that everyone believes what you stated.
Yes, but you forgot this part of the post you quoted:Some low-carb, but not "low-low-carb" do the net carbs thing. It motivates you to choose higher fiber options. Which indirectly often helps your calorie count and helps you choose the more nutrient dense foods. Win/win.
I wouldn't worry about all the Glycemic Index arguments unless you either have blood sugar probs or need inspiration for additions to your "good carb" list.
Yes, cause it has nothing to do with the disagreement.
But it has everything to do with your Strawman argument... Leaving out that last part sets my post in a different light. It's obviously easy to knock the first part down without it's conclusion. If I meant them to exist separately, I might well have posted them separately. I obviously did not mean that. I maintain that the OP doesn't need to get mired down with other people arguing about good-carb/bad-carb or arguing whether or not a carb is just a carb. I meant to encapsule the information in a quick, uncomplicted form in its entirety , not carved up.
My opinion is fine, when taken as a whole, as it was authored, and you are entitled to disagree with whichever part. But I would prefer to not be misrepresented.
And I don't expect anyone to take my experiences and opinions as gospel, even though I think what I have to say is important and contributes to the community or the understanding of the OP. Otherwise I wouldn't bother posting at all.0 -
Is there a way to differentiate between good and bad carbs in the food diary?
I am trying this "low carb" thing on my doctors advice....and I like it so far...but I sometimes go over on carbs when eating low carb approved foods, so I am assuming they are good carbs....right?
Depends on what it is ... if it's all fruit and veggies I wouldn't sweat it... I go over my carbs on the daily but they all come from fruit and veggies and nothing else.
This precisely. Not other discussion, bro-science or otherwise, is necessary.
Your diet should look like this carb-wise:
Most carbs: veggies
Some carbs: fruits
Sparingly: grains and starches
In your opinion.
Pretty sure that 99% of every reply on this entire forum is someone or other's opinion. Or contains a link to someone's opinion. Just like it appears that your comment is suggesting that it is your opinion that my opinion isn't valid. Unless you are an expert of some kind...:huh:
And we all know what they say about opinions...
That aside, I think that if we are considering the OP's question which was about lowering carbohydrate intake, we don't need to go off on a discussion of every aspect under the sun of low-carbing, insulin resistance, or the good-carb/bad-carb argument. Some things, though good information, are irrelevant to the posed question.
But obviously that is just an opinion.
Actually, the OP was interested in differentiating between good carbs and bad carbs so I'm not sure why there wouldn't be a good carb/bad carb discussion.
My opinion, as you correctly identified it, was based upon the post I quoted, indicating that veggies and fruit are what OP should be concerned with. I was just saying that it isn't necessary to get mired in the discussion. The quick and dirty is that what are considered "good carbs" are primarily: veggies and fruits. And a little grains. I was opting for the quick answer to what OP wanted to know. I apologize if I was not clear.
Who doesn't consider whole grains are good carbs? I'm talking medical or nutrition experts here, not just random personal opinions.
Beats me. I didn't say it.
Dr. William David and Dr. David Perlmutter think grain is bad. And it certainly is to those with gluten sensitivity and Celiac. I never said grains weren't considered good carbs.
No, but saying that they should be eaten "sparingly" insinuates that they are bad. Same with fruit being number 2.
My argument would then be, why not prioritize veggies ahead of grains, given that veggies tend, IMO, more vitamin/mineral dense? Try to get those veggies in, because they are important, and then fill the rest with grains? Is there anything wrong with that reasoning, if, as the OP is, trying to keep the carbs down?0 -
Thanks a lot. Now that song is in my head.Good carb , bad carb, you know I've had my share......0 -
A thorough destruction( over 100 references) of Wheat Belly claims
Who doesn't consider whole grains are good carbs? I'm talking medical or nutrition experts here, not just random personal opinions.
William Davis, MD (author, "Wheat Belly"); David Perlmutter, MD (author: "Grain Brain"); Gary Taubes ("Good Calories, Bad Calories" and "Why We Get Fat, and What to Do About It")
^^^ all excellent reads.
http://www.aaccnet.org/publications/plexus/cfw/pastissues/2012/OpenDocuments/CFW-57-4-0177.pdf
And a counter to Taubes by an actual obesity researcher
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.ca/2011/08/carbohydrate-hypothesis-of-obesity.html0 -
Is there a way to differentiate between good and bad carbs in the food diary?
I am trying this "low carb" thing on my doctors advice....and I like it so far...but I sometimes go over on carbs when eating low carb approved foods, so I am assuming they are good carbs....right?
Depends on what it is ... if it's all fruit and veggies I wouldn't sweat it... I go over my carbs on the daily but they all come from fruit and veggies and nothing else.
This precisely. Not other discussion, bro-science or otherwise, is necessary.
Your diet should look like this carb-wise:
Most carbs: veggies
Some carbs: fruits
Sparingly: grains and starches
In your opinion.
Pretty sure that 99% of every reply on this entire forum is someone or other's opinion. Or contains a link to someone's opinion. Just like it appears that your comment is suggesting that it is your opinion that my opinion isn't valid. Unless you are an expert of some kind...:huh:
And we all know what they say about opinions...
That aside, I think that if we are considering the OP's question which was about lowering carbohydrate intake, we don't need to go off on a discussion of every aspect under the sun of low-carbing, insulin resistance, or the good-carb/bad-carb argument. Some things, though good information, are irrelevant to the posed question.
But obviously that is just an opinion.
Actually, the OP was interested in differentiating between good carbs and bad carbs so I'm not sure why there wouldn't be a good carb/bad carb discussion.
My opinion, as you correctly identified it, was based upon the post I quoted, indicating that veggies and fruit are what OP should be concerned with. I was just saying that it isn't necessary to get mired in the discussion. The quick and dirty is that what are considered "good carbs" are primarily: veggies and fruits. And a little grains. I was opting for the quick answer to what OP wanted to know. I apologize if I was not clear.
Who doesn't consider whole grains are good carbs? I'm talking medical or nutrition experts here, not just random personal opinions.
Beats me. I didn't say it.
Dr. William David and Dr. David Perlmutter think grain is bad. And it certainly is to those with gluten sensitivity and Celiac. I never said grains weren't considered good carbs.
No, but saying that they should be eaten "sparingly" insinuates that they are bad. Same with fruit being number 2.
My argument would then be, why not prioritize veggies ahead of grains, given that veggies tend, IMO, more vitamin/mineral dense? Try to get those veggies in, because they are important, and then fill the rest with grains? Is there anything wrong with that reasoning, if, as the OP is, trying to keep the carbs down?
Whole grains have lots of nutrients. More than some vegetables, depending on which grain and which vegetable. And you only need so much of each nutrient, and too much of some can be harmful. That's what a balanced diet is about.0 -
Is there a way to differentiate between good and bad carbs in the food diary?
I am trying this "low carb" thing on my doctors advice....and I like it so far...but I sometimes go over on carbs when eating low carb approved foods, so I am assuming they are good carbs....right?
Depends on what it is ... if it's all fruit and veggies I wouldn't sweat it... I go over my carbs on the daily but they all come from fruit and veggies and nothing else.
This precisely. Not other discussion, bro-science or otherwise, is necessary.
Your diet should look like this carb-wise:
Most carbs: veggies
Some carbs: fruits
Sparingly: grains and starches
In your opinion.
Pretty sure that 99% of every reply on this entire forum is someone or other's opinion. Or contains a link to someone's opinion. Just like it appears that your comment is suggesting that it is your opinion that my opinion isn't valid. Unless you are an expert of some kind...:huh:
And we all know what they say about opinions...
That aside, I think that if we are considering the OP's question which was about lowering carbohydrate intake, we don't need to go off on a discussion of every aspect under the sun of low-carbing, insulin resistance, or the good-carb/bad-carb argument. Some things, though good information, are irrelevant to the posed question.
But obviously that is just an opinion.
Actually, the OP was interested in differentiating between good carbs and bad carbs so I'm not sure why there wouldn't be a good carb/bad carb discussion.
My opinion, as you correctly identified it, was based upon the post I quoted, indicating that veggies and fruit are what OP should be concerned with. I was just saying that it isn't necessary to get mired in the discussion. The quick and dirty is that what are considered "good carbs" are primarily: veggies and fruits. And a little grains. I was opting for the quick answer to what OP wanted to know. I apologize if I was not clear.
I understand your opinion. I just don't agree with it. My first reply to you was to make sure the OP didn't take it as a fact since it was presented as such by saying no further discussion is needed insinuating that everyone believes what you stated.
Yes, but you forgot this part of the post you quoted:Some low-carb, but not "low-low-carb" do the net carbs thing. It motivates you to choose higher fiber options. Which indirectly often helps your calorie count and helps you choose the more nutrient dense foods. Win/win.
I wouldn't worry about all the Glycemic Index arguments unless you either have blood sugar probs or need inspiration for additions to your "good carb" list.
Yes, cause it has nothing to do with the disagreement.
But it has everything to do with your Strawman argument... Leaving out that last part sets my post in a different light. It's obviously easy to knock the first part down without it's conclusion. If I meant them to exist separately, I might well have posted them separately. I obviously did not mean that. I maintain that the OP doesn't need to get mired down with other people arguing about good-carb/bad-carb or arguing whether or not a carb is just a carb. I meant to encapsule the information in a quick, uncomplicted form in its entirety , not carved up.
My opinion is fine, when taken as a whole, as it was authored, and you are entitled to disagree with whichever part. But I would prefer to not be misrepresented.
And I don't expect anyone to take my experiences and opinions as gospel, even though I think what I have to say is important and contributes to the community or the understanding of the OP. Otherwise I wouldn't bother posting at all.
I don't understand how the part I left off has anything to do with that fact that I think the below opinion is wrong. Either way this is getting redundant.Your diet should look like this carb-wise:
Most carbs: veggies
Some carbs: fruits
Sparingly: grains and starches
I eat 200-300 grams of carbs per day so only taking 50% (which is less than most as you stated) of that.... Are you really saying I should get 100-150 of those from broccoli (pick a vegetable)? So I should be having 10-15 servings of vegetables per day so that most of my carbs can come from veggies?0 -
I'm going to sit over here
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on a make believe couch and wait for the no carb no longer diabetic in 3 months guy to show up to the party. Who wants to join me? :laugh:0
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