"All About That Bass" Rant
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They didn't ask me to be a poster child for STDs for nuffin.
You're such a little pitbull - I'm rather enjoying this.0 -
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She didn't use the term. I did. For the record, she's done work on behalf of Planned Parenthood. Yes, her videos are educational tools.
Then you're part of the problem. No amount of glossing over the facts and over-simplification is going to make it okay. You've been provided with resources to educate yourself further. At this point, it's up to you to decide you care and check those links out or you don't care and remain ignorant.
It's an enthusiastic "yes" to sexual contact. There has to be absolutely no doubt that you wish to engage. It doesn't mean that your partner has to ask permission and receive expressed consent every time they want to kiss, touch, etc. you, but that consent must be implied by you. Not just willingness, enthusiastic agreement.
Your husband saying it to you in the context of understood consent is VERY different from a random guy uttering it to a woman that he doesn't know at the club. No, the statement alone does not make a man a rapist. Yes, it is problematic, especially in the context of the song. Go back and read the link that I provided.yes, and the context (other than the song) was a guy said he said he said it to a girl in a club... no different to my husband saying it to me...
its the answer and what goes on after that thats the issue, not a man saying 'you know you want it'... that statement doesnt make him a rapist.
i'm not trying to be argumentative but what is 'understood consent?'
Here's an awesome, on-point video by Laci Green on the topic of consent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD2EooMhqRI
i'm at work so i cant watch your awesome video, but i really dont get why someone cant say 'you know you want it' without consent....
Vlogs from biased people that use terms like "mansplain" aren't really educational tools.
I've done work for major oil companies, that doesn't mean if I made a video online explaining something that has nothing to do with it that it would be an educational tool. SO no, hers aren't. They're opinionated.
And I know she didn't, but her mentality seems to be the same as yours, so the shoe fits. Social justice warriors will find a reason to be upset with everything.0 -
A blog that pits women against men? Your opinions became less relevent with that posting. So I probably won't reply again. Have a good one.0 -
99% of SJW posts = "Hey, when you do x and/or y, people are harmed. Here's some evidence to support that. Can you please stop doing that?"
She didn't use the term. I did. For the record, she's done work on behalf of Planned Parenthood. Yes, her videos are educational tools.
Then you're part of the problem. No amount of glossing over the facts and over-simplification is going to make it okay. You've been provided with resources to educate yourself further. At this point, it's up to you to decide you care and check those links out or you don't care and remain ignorant.
It's an enthusiastic "yes" to sexual contact. There has to be absolutely no doubt that you wish to engage. It doesn't mean that your partner has to ask permission and receive expressed consent every time they want to kiss, touch, etc. you, but that consent must be implied by you. Not just willingness, enthusiastic agreement.
Your husband saying it to you in the context of understood consent is VERY different from a random guy uttering it to a woman that he doesn't know at the club. No, the statement alone does not make a man a rapist. Yes, it is problematic, especially in the context of the song. Go back and read the link that I provided.yes, and the context (other than the song) was a guy said he said he said it to a girl in a club... no different to my husband saying it to me...
its the answer and what goes on after that thats the issue, not a man saying 'you know you want it'... that statement doesnt make him a rapist.
i'm not trying to be argumentative but what is 'understood consent?'
Here's an awesome, on-point video by Laci Green on the topic of consent:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD2EooMhqRI
i'm at work so i cant watch your awesome video, but i really dont get why someone cant say 'you know you want it' without consent....
Vlogs from biased people that use terms like "mansplain" aren't really educational tools.
I've done work for major oil companies, that doesn't mean if I made a video online explaining something that has nothing to do with it that it would be an educational tool. SO no, hers aren't. They're opinionated.
And I know she didn't, but her mentality seems to be the same as yours, so the shoe fits. Social justice warriors will find a reason to be upset with everything.
99% of butthurt responses from insufferable turd faucets that use terms like "Social Justice Warrior" = I AM UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN WE ARE NOT ABOUT ME. I WANT TO DO/SAY THAT AWFUL/GROSS/PROBLEMATIC THING, SO I'M GOING TO. ONLY MY HAPPINESS MATTERS.
Laci Green has been recognized as a peer sex educator by colleges and universities across the US. Yes, her videos on sex are educational tools, whether you consider her to be opinionated or not.0 -
Dude, you've been aggressively irrelevant since you jumped into the thread. But please don't punish me by not making more poorly reasoned statements.
A blog that pits women against men? Your opinions became less relevent with that posting. So I probably won't reply again. Have a good one.0 -
99% of SJW posts = "Hey, when you do x and/or y, people are harmed. Here's some evidence to support that. Can you please stop doing that?"
She didn't use the term. I did. For the record, she's done work on behalf of Planned Parenthood. Yes, her videos are educational tools.
Then you're part of the problem. No amount of glossing over the facts and over-simplification is going to make it okay. You've been provided with resources to educate yourself further. At this point, it's up to you to decide you care and check those links out or you don't care and remain ignorant.
It's an enthusiastic "yes" to sexual contact. There has to be absolutely no doubt that you wish to engage. It doesn't mean that your partner has to ask permission and receive expressed consent every time they want to kiss, touch, etc. you, but that consent must be implied by you. Not just willingness, enthusiastic agreement.
Your husband saying it to you in the context of understood consent is VERY different from a random guy uttering it to a woman that he doesn't know at the club. No, the statement alone does not make a man a rapist. Yes, it is problematic, especially in the context of the song. Go back and read the link that I provided.yes, and the context (other than the song) was a guy said he said he said it to a girl in a club... no different to my husband saying it to me...
its the answer and what goes on after that thats the issue, not a man saying 'you know you want it'... that statement doesnt make him a rapist.
i'm not trying to be argumentative but what is 'understood consent?'
Here's an awesome, on-point video by Laci Green on the topic of consent:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD2EooMhqRI
i'm at work so i cant watch your awesome video, but i really dont get why someone cant say 'you know you want it' without consent....
Vlogs from biased people that use terms like "mansplain" aren't really educational tools.
I've done work for major oil companies, that doesn't mean if I made a video online explaining something that has nothing to do with it that it would be an educational tool. SO no, hers aren't. They're opinionated.
And I know she didn't, but her mentality seems to be the same as yours, so the shoe fits. Social justice warriors will find a reason to be upset with everything.
99% of butthurt responses from insufferable turd faucets that use terms like "Social Justice Warrior" = I AM UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN WE ARE NOT ABOUT ME. I WANT TO DO/SAY THAT AWFUL/GROSS/PROBLEMATIC THING, SO I'M GOING TO. ONLY MY HAPPINESS MATTERS.
Laci Green has been recognized as a peer sex educator by colleges and universities across the US. Yes, her videos on sex are educational tools, whether you consider her to be opinionated or not.
lol is all I can say.0 -
Dude, you've been aggressively irrelevant since you jumped into the thread. But please don't punish me by not making more poorly reasoned statements.
A blog that pits women against men? Your opinions became less relevent with that posting. So I probably won't reply again. Have a good one.
Aggressive? Yup, you're definitely one of "those" girls. I've been pretty polite, so I'll say again, good day.0 -
i just have blurred lines stuck in my head now...0
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i just have blurred lines stuck in my head now...
Me too. Want to aggressively rub against each other in a club?0 -
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i just have blurred lines stuck in my head now...
Me too. Want to aggressively rub against each other in a club?
i know you want it...0 -
i just have blurred lines stuck in my head now...
Me too. Want to aggressively rub against each other in a club?
i know you want it...0 -
My biggest problem with that song is the fact that "hug me" doesn't rhyme with anything I would do to him. Rug him? Thug him? Be all brave and slug him?0
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My biggest problem with that song is the fact that "hug me" doesn't rhyme with anything I would do to him. Rug him? Thug him? Be all brave and slug him?
Mug him...
be one of those girls who texts all the time, and bug him?????0 -
i just have blurred lines stuck in my head now...
Me too. Want to aggressively rub against each other in a club?
i know you want it...
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Foot people shaming.
(Not poking at you OP. I had never heard of the song before this thread, and reading the lyrics, I can see a couple of spots that could be insulting. At least in my area, the skinny b phrase is usually a compliment, both in giving and receiving. I have no idea what the singer's intent was. I didn't really see anything else offensive-she didn't call anyone a silicone barbie, and I think the argument could be made that our perceptions of what women really look like is warped by sometimes ridiculous photoshop and the like. Sometimes photoshopped women do look like Barbie dolls but look nothing like that usually. So she could be saying, "Yep, I'm a real human, I don't have photoshop, I have imperfections, as do all people." I can see it from your point of view too.)0 -
That chick has some hairy armpits.0
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My biggest problem with that song is the fact that "hug me" doesn't rhyme with anything I would do to him. Rug him? Thug him? Be all brave and slug him?
As a guy, a little rub and tug doesn't sound so bad.0 -
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Maybe get a little kinky and plug him?0 -
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Maybe get a little kinky and plug him?
I do not consent!0 -
Yeah it's pretty clear, I ain't no size twenty-two
But I can shake it, shake it like I'm supposed to do
'Cause I got that thigh gap that all the boys chase
All the right angles in all the right places
I see the big girls chugging their soda pop
We know that **** so wrong
Come on now, make it stop
If you got no cellulite, come show it off
'Cause that type of body's perfect from the bottom to the top
Yeah, my momma she told me you better watch your size
boys like their hands to touch when they hold you at night
You know those big meaty badonka-donks just don’t belong
So, if that's what's you're into
Then go ahead and move along
I'm bringing skinny back
Go ahead and tell them chubby *****es Hey! (No, I'm just playing)
I know you think you're scrawny,
But I'm here to tell you that,
Thin girls are perfect from the bottom to the top
Are you offended at the above message? Uh, you should be! If these lyrics were the ones played on the radio, can you imagine the veritable ****storm the artist and radio stations playing it would be in for?? Furious calls would be rolling in for miles around, and the guilty artist would probably be shunned and blacklisted for like, ever.
WHY then, I ask you is it not only ok, but LAUDED for an artist to say the exact opposite? It’s ok to broadcast that curvy girls are prettier and more “chased” by boys, but absolutely verboten to say that skinny girls are more desirable? Lolwut?
I’ll give you the answer: it’s not ok. Ever. It is one thing to support girls of all sizes and celebrate out differences, but that is not what Meaghan Trainor is really saying. She’s pretty much saying that thin girls are not as attractive to men as thick girls. (See the original lyrics here: http://www.metrolyrics.com/all-about-that-bass-lyrics-meghan-trainor.html)
Hey, Meaghan? Listen up, dollface: It is not and never will be socially acceptable to uplift and empower one body type by dragging another type through the mud. It is petty and hateful, and smacks of sour grapes. Now, whether that is truly the case or not remains to be seen. I will give her the benefit of the doubt and assume that she just does a p*ss-poor job of remaining unbiased and fair.
Don’t think her original lyrics are offensive? Show me ONE hypothetical situation in which calling a girl a “stick-figure silicone Barbie-doll” would not be inappropriate, impolite, or a just plain awful thing to say, and I will donate $200 cash to the charity of your choice. "Oh, but she was just kidding!" :noway: Really? Ok. Why don't I go around publicly insulting people, and tacking on "I'm just playin'!" at the end, and see how well that plays out for me.
What about those girls who are naturally very thin? Do you think they like to hear that girls who are naturally bigger are automatically sexier than they are? What sort of message are you sending to them? Saying your size doesn't dictate your self-worth goes both ways. And last time I checked, men love ALL types of bodies. To claim that males only prefer one type is ignorant at best, exclusive and hurtful at worst. I know that there is tremendous pressure perpetuated by the media to be thin and have their idea of a “perfect body”, but the right way to fight it is NOT by flipping 180° and bashing the body types that appear in magazines.
<---This is me. I worked HARD to get to this level of leanness, but before anyone jumps on me saying “it’s easy for you to say! You’re already thin!” I’ll let you in on a little secret: I do not look like this 365 days a year. In fact, there was only about a 7 day period where I looked anything like this, and it took MONTHS of boring dieting and hours and hours of miserable cardio to get to it. These pictures were taken by a talented photographer in a professional studio with flattering light. I was tanned up all to heck and smeared in glycerin to emphasize muscle striations. The same goes for every model on the cover of Cosmo and People magazine. Don’t be jealous of them, it’s not real. This is not me on a normal day, and I worked harder than anyone I personally know to get there. So for someone to refer to me as a “skinny b*tch”, however indirectly, well, I just dare you to say that to my face, because I’ll rip your head off. You have no comprehension what I went through to achieve this. Step off.
So the girls who work very, VERY hard to maintain a healthy weight, or lost a lot of weight and feel great about their accomplishments? …Way to throw cold water in their faces, by telling them that what they worked is worth balls, because they were already perfect!
You do not have to be a size two. There is no standard for beauty!! You do not have to be thin, or have a thigh gap, or a perfectly flat stomach to be attractive. All women have worth. But I was raised to believe that there is ALWAYS room for improvement. You should never hate your body, no matter its shape or size. But neither should you should be complacent or lazy. My dad taught me that goals to work toward are what keeps you happy and well-rounded. There is a fine line between loving your body and what it can do for you, and not caring to improve yourself.
{Disclaimers: I do not believe one word of the above parody lyrics. I wrote them to illustrate the cattiness and outright ridiculousness of lording one body type over another. Some lines are admittedly slightly exaggerated. Please don’t misunderstand this post to mean I am saying thin girls are “better than” thick girls or anything of that nature. I am simply pointing out the hypocrisy and double standard in the lyrics of Meaghan Trainor’s original lyrics}
Thoughts? Does anyone share my feelings toward this song? I think that Meaghan’s heart was most likely in the right place when writing this song, but her delivery absolutely sucked, big time.
YEAH ITS PRETTY CLEAR I AIN'T NO SIZE 2 ... not 220 -
Can I picture you running away with your pants around your ankles?:laugh:
Maybe get a little kinky and plug him?
I do not consent!0 -
What bothers me the most about the song, even before the name calling, is that what matters is whether a man finds your shape arousing, not whether you're happy, or healthy, or strong. Until I actually heard the song, it was another bubblegum pop tune. But I can't unhear the "skinny *****es" part, nor unsee the video where the only person with visible jiggly bits is a large man. So, he's okay? But the size 6-8 women are the "big" girls? Hmm.0
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What it comes down to for me is that it's a song that doesn't change my daily life at all, so I just don't listen to it.0
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i have a question though... is mansplaining anything like manscaping?0
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Wow loads of replies already on this thread haha!
There's obviously a couple of flaws with the song:
* The whole deeming good enough for men by "having enough booty" for them
* The body shaming of the slimmer build etcetc
But what you've got to take into consideration is minority here. I'm only 22 years old, but all my life I've been told via all kinds of media that the skinnier frame is the sexiest, the prettiest, the one that attracts people to you. So for me personally, it's nice to see some loving for bigger frames. I'm sick of hearing that fat people are unhealthy and unattractive.
To contradict a point of mine, why SHOULDN'T a larger woman be deemed attractive by males? What is so wrong about that?
All types of women have a right to be as sexual as they like and be attractive to anyone - and that includes larger women. It's not promoting obesity because if you want to play that card then singing about slim girls promotes eating disorders like bulimia and anorexia.
And I'm going to honest here, I'm really annoyed that slim people are crying over a couple of songs that promote the fuller figure considering they've had generations/decades of support.
I agree the term "skinny b*****s" is very inappropriate and undo's years of feminist work. But to continue to move forward in feminism, why can't we show support for all frames?0 -
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Wow loads of replies already on this thread haha!
There's obviously a couple of flaws with the song:
* The whole deeming good enough for men by "having enough booty" for them
* The body shaming of the slimmer build etcetc
But what you've got to take into consideration is minority here. I'm only 22 years old, but all my life I've been told via all kinds of media that the skinnier frame is the sexiest, the prettiest, the one that attracts people to you. So for me personally, it's nice to see some loving for bigger frames. I'm sick of hearing that fat people are unhealthy and unattractive.
To contradict a point of mine, why SHOULDN'T a larger woman be deemed attractive by males? What is so wrong about that?
All types of women have a right to be as sexual as they like and be attractive to anyone - and that includes larger women. It's not promoting obesity because if you want to play that card then singing about slim girls promotes eating disorders like bulimia and anorexia.
And I'm going to honest here, I'm really annoyed that slim people are crying over a couple of songs that promote the fuller figure considering they've had generations/decades of support.
I agree the term "skinny b*****s" is very inappropriate and undo's years of feminist work. But to continue to move forward in feminism, why can't we show support for all frames?
the theory is that it would not be appropriate for slender girls to sing about being skinny and to refer to other ladies as "fat bi#$es"
or for slender women to make songs about big ghetto booties....
Somehow it is ok for larger people to celebrate being larger and to insult smaller people but not ok for smaller people to be insulting to bigger people
ALL ABOUT THAT BASS and ANACONDA
are sucky songs promoting poor health and lifestyles and should not be taken seriously
I mean I totally agree it's inappropriate it really is. I don't agree with any kind of shaming at all. But what I struggle to understand is that fat people have been shamed for years, absolute years. So they fight back with 2 songs and all hell breaks loose.
Yeah certain sizes are really unhealthy, but someone who is a little chubby can still be quite a healthy human. But they're screamed at that they're fat and unattractive and not allowed to be sexual in any way via all kinds of media. It's that that I really don't agree with. I think it's really unfair that skinnier people get glorified and because the limelight gets shown on a different frame just a tiny bit all of the sudden its "promoting unhealthy lifestyle". No it's not, it's showing that we're all human and we come in different shapes and sizes and we should learn to love and accept that. We all can't be teeny tiny frames with ripped abs, and even then what's deeming that as healthy exactly? Your appearance isn't what defines you as healthy, its how your insides function.
But just to highlight, I do totally agree that the shaming of skinnier figures is completely wrong. No shaming should occur. At all.
Also, I heard on the radio this morning that there's been a rise in eating disorders over the last three years. Primarily linked to this whole thinsporation thing. There's such a strive to be skinny that there needs to be media out there to say it's okay to be a healthy normal size or larger.0
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