Paleo/Primal way of eating = finally the truth revealed?

jurgitafit

Hi all!

I've been reading the articles, books and research data about nutrition for as long as I can remember, and although I've been always pretty healthy, I could hardly keep doing one selected diet for too long. It just never made sense to do that for a lifetime, because I needed more evidence-- not only the statistics, but the results on my body and mind, the reasons why I am either starving or cannot stop eating. I wanted to feel at peace with the way of eating and know it is surely a good way to do it AND there is no need to count each calorie forever.

Throwing all the magazine articles away (since most of them are paid and biased; food and diet industry is HUGE!!!) and reading like there was no tomorrow, I finally found the way that my body was meant to be fed, and it was the primal way of eating. It took a few tries before I got onto the path, and I am still working on getting better, but my body is thankful already. :flowerforyou: There is a big reason for feeling this good-- the insulin levels are not going up and down like crazy because of the high intake of simple carbs and sugars! I feel everybody should finally hear about the way our body should be taken care of.

Before you guys get bored reading this, I want to ask if any of you have tried this lifestyle and how you feel about it.

To those who are new, here is a good start:
http://www.primalbody-primalmind.com/top10-nutritional-mistakes.html
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-book/success-stories

Thank you for reading and if this message will help at least one person to live better, my mission is successful!
May your day shine bright! :happy:

kdiamond

I follow Paleo MOSTLY (I have some dairy) but I'm not trying to lose any weight, just improve my fitness and overall well being. I LOVE eating this way, I feel so much better and have reduced a few % body fat. It is very easy!!

lexicalabrese

I agree that a more natural way of eating is definitely better for you, but I have to say that I could barely read the article from the first link. It was SO preachy and self righteous, I'm tempted to shun the primal diet just because of the tone of that article lol.

Good for you, though, that you have found something you love and that works for you!!! That is what we are all striving for, and it's always nice to hear that it's not completely unattainable

jurgitafit

I agree that a more natural way of eating is definitely better for you, but I have to say that I could barely read the article from the first link. It was SO preachy and self righteous, I'm tempted to shun the primal diet just because of the tone of that article lol.

I can see you feeling this way. I would have felt exactly the same if I read this article a few years back, because I had different beliefs (such as, whole wheat bread instead of white, etc. (which was wrong-- it does exactly the same to our body!). But now after I have done so much research, I see this article from a new perspective. I think that lady (an author) is really upset (mad?) at the government and media for spreading all the wrong info, and she is right... we are simply being manipulated...

synchrohobbit

This works in a very similar way to any diet that restricts the types of food you can intake, and regiments your eating habits. Of course it is going to be healthy to cut our refined sugars, factory meats, and fatty dairy. However, it is a little disconcerting for people to carry on about how this is the best diet since homo sapiens' physiology evolved with this. Somehow it is completely lost on people that the explosion of agriculture resulted in not only increased lifespans but also a surplus of energy that could be used for increased brain function. Clearly loads of refined sugar is not going to infinitely correlate with thinking power, there is definitely a balance.

amycal

A friend of mine tried to follow the Paleo Diet after her husband's trainer recommended the book. She said she lost 3 pounds in a few days but gained it right back after quitting. She said it is really hard to stick to.

I have the Eat Clean Diet Recharged and have read lots of the Oxygen stuff and they do say physique is 80% nutrition - however the "eat clean" diet allows a lot more foods than Paleo and the author and models in the magazines look pretty darn good! For now I am trying to follow that and another book I have as guidelines and am working on cleaning up my diet.

My mom sees a local functional medicine doctor who promotes a gluten-free, dairy-free anti-inflammatory diet. She has had a lot of success when she follows his recommendations, not so much in weight control, but in pain control from arthritis. This local doc recommends "Ultra Metabolism" by Dr. Mark Hyman.

I personally think Eat Clean and Ultra Metabolism are easier to do so I am using them now as my guides but I might try Primal/Paleo if I don't get the results I want. I haven't yet tried giving up dairy or gluten so I will probably try that before going Paleo. Another book that is similar is the Schwarzbein Principle. I think she allows whole grains too but she promotes a "whole" food diet too.

Mindful_Trent

I don't think there is a single "truth" to how people should eat. The human body is amazingly complex and adaptable, so unless you're a high performance athlete, there is a wide range of macros that work for most people (the split between fat/carbs/protein). Regardless of the specifics, if someone tries to eat a fairly well balanced diet with 15-30% protein (some people go a little higher), 20-30% fat and 45-60% carbs (some people go a little lower), and try to get most of those calories from foods that are in or very close to their original forms (minimize the processed foods you eat), then they can be healthy.

I don't buy into any of these restrictive food plans because while I may agree with elements in each of them, I find the combination of restrictions unnecessary and overly-extreme. For example, I agree with the Paleo ideas that eating fat (even animal fat) is not bad for you, getting enough protein, eating foods in unprocessed form and that we should avoid processed sugars but I don't agree with the idea that you should have to cut out all starches and legumes. Perhaps some people's bodies are "picky" or have food allergies and need something a little different (ex - very few/no grains, no gluten, no dairy, etc.) but most people don't need to do anything extreme to be healthy and feel good.

Mande_G

I don't think there is a single "truth" to how people should eat. The human body is amazingly complex and adaptable, so unless you're a high performance athlete, there is a wide range of macros that work for most people (the split between fat/carbs/protein). Regardless of the specifics, if someone tries to eat a fairly well balanced diet with 15-30% protein (some people go a little higher), 20-30% fat and 45-60% carbs (some people go a little lower), and try to get most of those calories from foods that are in or very close to their original forms (minimize the processed foods you eat), then they can be healthy.

I don't buy into any of these restrictive food plans because while I may agree with elements in each of them, I find the combination of restrictions unnecessary and overly-extreme. For example, I agree with the Paleo ideas that eating fat (even animal fat) is not bad for you, getting enough protein, eating foods in unprocessed form and that we should avoid processed sugars but I don't agree with the idea that you should have to cut out all starches and legumes. Perhaps some people's bodies are "picky" or have food allergies and need something a little different (ex - very few/no grains, no gluten, no dairy, etc.) but most people don't need to do anything extreme to be healthy and feel good.

This^.

LuckyLeprechaun

Hear hear, accountant boi. RIGHT ON

FitJoani

It is the way our bodies are meant to eat...I just read what it REALLY is from your link and I must say I already do it. Its how I was raised basically. It isnt that MUCH different(more meat as we are carnivores) from a mediterranian diet....I cant call it a diet really its just a way of living in essence

caprica

I have read a couple of paleo books and they read like the author finds out they are gluten intolerant and then trying to preach to the rest of the world that they should give up starchy foods.

I want to believe this stuff but the books are so preachy they turn me off.

jurgitafit

I don't buy into any of these restrictive food plans because while I may agree with elements in each of them, I find the combination of restrictions unnecessary and overly-extreme. For example, I agree with the Paleo ideas that eating fat (even animal fat) is not bad for you, getting enough protein, eating foods in unprocessed form and that we should avoid processed sugars but I don't agree with the idea that you should have to cut out all starches and legumes. Perhaps some people's bodies are "picky" or have food allergies and need something a little different (ex - very few/no grains, no gluten, no dairy, etc.) but most people don't need to do anything extreme to be healthy and feel good.

Nice response, and I agree with most of what you have to say. I do think that each of us is unique and we must listen to our own bodies versus following any single diet to a letter. However, I would say that the food allergies/intolerances nowadays are more common than you'd think. Not too many people can eat any foods/combinations and feel great, so of course, the cleaner our diets are, the better. Feeling great (I mean truly great... light, energized without using any stimulants, such as caffeine or simple sugars, and having a perfect health) should be a normal state of a human being. I personally have tested many things and following 90% Paleo definitely makes a world of difference.

jurgitafit

Thanks to all of you guys for sharing your opinions! I love hearing them!

amysj303

I want to try this but the links you posted don't have much info on what kinds of foods to eat and what to avoid (besides packaged foods) does anyone here want to share meal ideas? There was some recipes for dinner that looked yummy, but I am looking for breakfast and lunch ideas? Any suggestions?

caprica

I want to try this but the links you posted don't have much info on what kinds of foods to eat and what to avoid (besides packaged foods) does anyone here want to share meal ideas? There was some recipes for dinner that looked yummy, but I am looking for breakfast and lunch ideas? Any suggestions?

Depends on which book you read as to how permissive the diet is. Paleo is basically a clean eating form of Atkins at its heart.

Eat lots of fresh veges, lean meat, fish, fresh fruit and nuts. Eat organic if you can afford it. Grass fed meats are also probably better for you as they are leaner.

Avoid starchy/sugary "white food", such as bread, pasta, grains, sugar, rice, potatoes, flour, etc.

Cut back or eliminating dairy (a dash of milk in your coffee is fine - a grande latte is asking for trouble).

Cut back or eliminate legumes, or at least avoid soy products.

Try to keep your carbs under 100g or 150g a day. (cavemen ate about 80g of carbs a day)

Lift heavy things, go for long walks (2+ hours a week) and sprint occasionally. Play with your kids lots.

Do that 80% of the time and you will be fine. One, two or three meals a week outside the paleo box are ok. But as cookie monster says "white food is a sometimes food".

For a typical paleo breakfast, most people have something based on eggs, perhaps some fruit. I ate a left over steak this morning and some watermelon.

For lunch eat a massive salad and a serve of meat or fish.

For snacks munch on nuts and berries. Fruit is great. Beef jerky is an acquired taste.

For supplements, take a multi, vitamin D, fish oil and acidopholis. Perhaps have a protein shake if you want,

If you are confused where to start, read the primal blueprint by mark sissal. His approach is the most flexible. The other paleo books are a bit more hard core, but have much to offer.

ladyhawk00

I don't think there is a single "truth" to how people should eat. The human body is amazingly complex and adaptable, so unless you're a high performance athlete, there is a wide range of macros that work for most people (the split between fat/carbs/protein). Regardless of the specifics, if someone tries to eat a fairly well balanced diet with 15-30% protein (some people go a little higher), 20-30% fat and 45-60% carbs (some people go a little lower), and try to get most of those calories from foods that are in or very close to their original forms (minimize the processed foods you eat), then they can be healthy.

I don't buy into any of these restrictive food plans because while I may agree with elements in each of them, I find the combination of restrictions unnecessary and overly-extreme. For example, I agree with the Paleo ideas that eating fat (even animal fat) is not bad for you, getting enough protein, eating foods in unprocessed form and that we should avoid processed sugars but I don't agree with the idea that you should have to cut out all starches and legumes. Perhaps some people's bodies are "picky" or have food allergies and need something a little different (ex - very few/no grains, no gluten, no dairy, etc.) but most people don't need to do anything extreme to be healthy and feel good.

Ditto...down to the last word.

kimwig

I don't think there is a single "truth" to how people should eat. The human body is amazingly complex and adaptable, so unless you're a high performance athlete, there is a wide range of macros that work for most people (the split between fat/carbs/protein). Regardless of the specifics, if someone tries to eat a fairly well balanced diet with 15-30% protein (some people go a little higher), 20-30% fat and 45-60% carbs (some people go a little lower), and try to get most of those calories from foods that are in or very close to their original forms (minimize the processed foods you eat), then they can be healthy.

I don't buy into any of these restrictive food plans because while I may agree with elements in each of them, I find the combination of restrictions unnecessary and overly-extreme. For example, I agree with the Paleo ideas that eating fat (even animal fat) is not bad for you, getting enough protein, eating foods in unprocessed form and that we should avoid processed sugars but I don't agree with the idea that you should have to cut out all starches and legumes. Perhaps some people's bodies are "picky" or have food allergies and need something a little different (ex - very few/no grains, no gluten, no dairy, etc.) but most people don't need to do anything extreme to be healthy and feel good.

Ditto...down to the last word.

Agree, we are complex, and it is important just to find what works for you (and avoinding the gimmicks etc).

My only "problem" with what they call the Primal Diet (and I am only going on a limited knowledge here so this is only my humble opinion) is that our genes have changed in a number of ways since the "Primal times" to deal with the variety of circumstances mankind has had to encounter, so we are not really the "same" as then (there is much research on genetic mutations that have allowed populations to deal with differing food types).

Also in "primal times" humans would have eaten "all the animal" (skin excluded), and I do not see these diets (again caveat of I have not read widely on this) encouraging the eating liver, kidney, brains, stomach (even stomach contents) of animals etc etc etc, which have a range of nutrients.

I think that such distant ancestors would have eaten a wide variety of animals (from rats, mice, birds, insects, grubs, reptiles, large and small herbivores... in fact almost anything with a face they could catch as food was scarce) - modern humans do not. Our meat diet comes from a limited stock of genetically non-diverse stock.

Now this is just my opinion and thoughts (and I have a small bias being a vegan - not for moral reasons just for health reasons, based on the China Study discussing the extensive research and impact of excessive consumption of animal protein on cancer).

wilted6orchid

such as, whole wheat bread instead of white, etc. (which was wrong-- it does exactly the same to our body!).

I am most curious about this. I have never heard this and wonder what you mean. I buy grain and mill it myself. It retains all the original fiber, and nutritious oils which would normally be stripped. Is there something else?

amysj303

I have looked into it more and I don't think it is really that hard-basically no sugar, no flour/grains But seems mixed on yogurt-Kefir ok? and alcohol-just wine? Also, some sites have bacon, others say lean meats.
Anyone following this diet? I like Kefir, I don't mind eggs, I just wondered if you stick to the lean meats-no bacon, and no yogurt or alcohol.

iplayoutside19

I don't think there is a single "truth" to how people should eat. The human body is amazingly complex and adaptable, so unless you're a high performance athlete, there is a wide range of macros that work for most people (the split between fat/carbs/protein). Regardless of the specifics, if someone tries to eat a fairly well balanced diet with 15-30% protein (some people go a little higher), 20-30% fat and 45-60% carbs (some people go a little lower), and try to get most of those calories from foods that are in or very close to their original forms (minimize the processed foods you eat), then they can be healthy.

I don't buy into any of these restrictive food plans because while I may agree with elements in each of them, I find the combination of restrictions unnecessary and overly-extreme. For example, I agree with the Paleo ideas that eating fat (even animal fat) is not bad for you, getting enough protein, eating foods in unprocessed form and that we should avoid processed sugars but I don't agree with the idea that you should have to cut out all starches and legumes. Perhaps some people's bodies are "picky" or have food allergies and need something a little different (ex - very few/no grains, no gluten, no dairy, etc.) but most people don't need to do anything extreme to be healthy and feel good.

Again, I agree with this^

While I beleive there are some things we shouldn't forget about how humans survived back in time. Don't beleive for a minute things were better back in the day.

Realize we are at a point in human history, at least in developed countries, that we have made life so easy for oursleves we have to invent ways to make it harder just so we don't get soft. Which the US population as a whole is failing.

iplayoutside19

such as, whole wheat bread instead of white, etc. (which was wrong-- it does exactly the same to our body!).

I am most curious about this. I have never heard this and wonder what you mean. I buy grain and mill it myself. It retains all the original fiber, and nutritious oils which would normally be stripped. Is there something else?

The body still treats it the same nutritionally. It's a carb, it will be burned quickly. Just not as fast as white bread, not as fast as processed wheat, but it will still be burned first, fast, and little siety.

kimwig

such as, whole wheat bread instead of white, etc. (which was wrong-- it does exactly the same to our body!).

I am most curious about this. I have never heard this and wonder what you mean. I buy grain and mill it myself. It retains all the original fiber, and nutritious oils which would normally be stripped. Is there something else?

The body still treats it the same nutritionally. It's a carb, it will be burned quickly. Just not as fast as white bread, not as fast as processed wheat, but it will still be burned first, fast, and little siety.

I have not seen research that says the stomach juices differentiate with what it gets, insulin levels and other biochemical mechanisms determine what it will do.

Food in the dtomach gets mushed up and broken down, nutrient (be that amino acids from protein, complex sugars, simple sugars, fats) get absorbed at various points in the gut. The body will burn what it needs. If it has more protein than it needs it will take that convert it to glucose to use it or to fat for storage if it does not have carbs. The body is very good at doing what it needs. It needs glucose to function and will get it from various sources

caprica

I have looked into it more and I don't think it is really that hard-basically no sugar, no flour/grains But seems mixed on yogurt-Kefir ok? and alcohol-just wine? Also, some sites have bacon, others say lean meats.
Anyone following this diet? I like Kefir, I don't mind eggs, I just wondered if you stick to the lean meats-no bacon, and no yogurt or alcohol.

Depends on how hard core you are. Basically you eat whatever a hunter and gatherer would eat 80% of the time. 20% of the time you can eat other things (unless you are hard core). So bacon, dairy, alcohol, kefir, etc is a sometimes food.

If you are not into the Paleo hoopla, the key factoid is cavemen ate around 80g of carbs a day. I find if you eat good quality healthy food most of the time, keep your carbs around 100g - 150g a day and stay under your calorie target, the weight will slide off anyway.

amysj303

thanks!

freerange

If your avatar is you,,,,,,, I'm in

starlitesue

I've thought about the Paleo/Primal diet myself actually. I rarely eat carbs as it is.

However, has anyone addressed the fact that the animals we eat today are very different from the animals cavemen would have eaten? I haven't done a lot of research on this, so pardon any inaccuracies. But in general cavemen would have eaten wild game, while we eat cows and chickens that get very little exercise, and are bred to be as large as possible and pumped full of antibiotics to avoid disease. Is eating animals like that really what our bodies have evolved to eat (as the paleo diet claims)? I would love to hear if anyone has done any research on that.

pyro13g

Paleo fits best for me. I always ate similar to Paleo. When my Dr, said get off the wheat and grains he also handed me an article on Paleo. That's when I tightened things up.

PALEO (http://www.thepaleodiet.com/) DOES NOT ELIMINATE ANY FOODS. Your are allowed cheat foods, free meals, booze etc. You can be as strict or lenient as you want. The more processed, refined, starchy, carbs you let back in, the greater the risk of binging. That's it and it makes grocery shopping simple. Your basically shopping the perimeter and only visit the interior isles for frozen fair and non food items.

If you are dealing with Syndrome X issues or want to avoid as many as possible then you should grab a book on Paleo(or similar), read the summaries of all the research, and actually go out and read the research that is sited.

There is very strong evidence that this abundant load of processed and refined carbs is killing us. And, it's not coming from people writing books on Paleo.

My blood work was phenomenal when tested before I started a popular workout programs nutrition plan. Tested after their 3 month program my blood work was rubbish. Triglycerides off the charts, yadda, yadda. Back to Paleo, and nice blood work results again.

maeflower1234

Haha, freerange...I was thinking the same thing about her avatar!!

pyro13g

such as, whole wheat bread instead of white, etc. (which was wrong-- it does exactly the same to our body!).

I am most curious about this. I have never heard this and wonder what you mean. I buy grain and mill it myself. It retains all the original fiber, and nutritious oils which would normally be stripped. Is there something else?

The body still treats it the same nutritionally. It's a carb, it will be burned quickly. Just not as fast as white bread, not as fast as processed wheat, but it will still be burned first, fast, and little siety.

That is so untrue it's not even funny. Glycemic Load definitely determines what the body does with that carb. A high glycemic load will result in it being stored as FAT!

pyro13g

I've thought about the Paleo/Primal diet myself actually. I rarely eat carbs as it is.

However, has anyone addressed the fact that the animals we eat today are very different from the animals cavemen would have eaten? I haven't done a lot of research on this, so pardon any inaccuracies. But in general cavemen would have eaten wild game, while we eat cows and chickens that get very little exercise, and are bred to be as large as possible and pumped full of antibiotics to avoid disease. Is eating animals like that really what our bodies have evolved to eat (as the paleo diet claims)? I would love to hear if anyone has done any research on that.

In Paleo you want to find sources of free range grass fed meat and poultry that would have similar fat stores to wild game. These sources of meat are often a sticking point due to price but it is getting much better. If you go to the websites for the Beef, pork, etc.. industries you can get info on the leanest cuts of meat which are very reasonable. Make sure you know the facts on the permission of drugs used in game for human consumption. What you hear, isn't all true. What the law says, is.

Fish, seafood, of course you want wild caught as much as possible.

JohnnyNull

It's very, very silly. As is every other Final Truth Revealed.