Catpee, the magical new diet
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Umm when did the government start lying to me about my diet? Now I'm totally confused?
Ok, my opinion.
Our government is the ones lying to us. It is just some of us are open minded enough to know this already.0 -
Complete tosh....I lost weight by eating more... because i dieted by eating less for 7 years my basal temperature had plumeted to 34.5*C. I ate 1200 cals of paleo fodder. No dairy. No grains. No beans. Exersiced moderately biking. Etc etc etc ..blah blah blah. Guess what I cycled across europe for 8 weeks and in 3000 miles lost nada.
Now I eat about 2500 cals. A 1000 a day more and continue to lose weight with more carbs (150g) andd more fat. . Which according to the original posted nonsense means I should be putting on 2lb a week. Calories out vary with body temperature! By dieting I was running my body at about 25% fewer calories than now..hey guess what I can now eat more at 37*C.0 -
Complete tosh....I lost weight by eating more... because i dieted by eating less for 7 years my basal temperature had plumeted to 34.5*C. I ate 1200 cals of paleo fodder. No dairy. No grains. No beans. Exersiced moderately biking. Etc etc etc ..blah blah blah. Guess what I cycled across europe for 8 weeks and in 3000 miles lost nada.
Now I eat about 2500 cals. A 1000 a day more and continue to lose weight with more carbs (150g) andd more fat. . Which according to the original posted nonsense means I should be putting on 2lb a week. Calories out vary with body temperature! By dieting I was running my body at about 25% fewer calories than now..hey guess what I can now eat more at 37*C.
Wat?
You're saying your maintenance is 1500 cals...that in a 300 cal deficit you lost "nada", but a 1000 cal surplus and you're losing?0 -
Complete tosh....I lost weight by eating more... because i dieted by eating less for 7 years my basal temperature had plumeted to 34.5*C. I ate 1200 cals of paleo fodder. No dairy. No grains. No beans. Exersiced moderately biking. Etc etc etc ..blah blah blah. Guess what I cycled across europe for 8 weeks and in 3000 miles lost nada.
Now I eat about 2500 cals. A 1000 a day more and continue to lose weight with more carbs (150g) andd more fat. . Which according to the original posted nonsense means I should be putting on 2lb a week. Calories out vary with body temperature! By dieting I was running my body at about 25% fewer calories than now..hey guess what I can now eat more at 37*C.
If you were losing weight, you were burning more calories than you consumed. Period. HOW you did it is up to you, and if what you did worked for you, then great. But at the very base level, you burned more calories than you consumed, therefore, you lost weight. My guess is you were doing more exercise than you realized (or are telling us), thus burning more calories than you were previously but still less than what you were eating, even if you did end up eating more.0 -
Yes, that is complete tosh, but it's hard to tell from the formatting that you mean that as the title of your post.Complete tosh....I lost weight by eating more... because i dieted by eating less for 7 years my basal temperature had plumeted to 34.5*C. I ate 1200 cals of paleo fodder. No dairy. No grains. No beans. Exersiced moderately biking. Etc etc etc ..blah blah blah. Guess what I cycled across europe for 8 weeks and in 3000 miles lost nada.
Now I eat about 2500 cals. A 1000 a day more and continue to lose weight with more carbs (150g) andd more fat. . Which according to the original posted nonsense means I should be putting on 2lb a week. Calories out vary with body temperature! By dieting I was running my body at about 25% fewer calories than now..hey guess what I can now eat more at 37*C.
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How do you know paleo, atkins etc aren't healthy, and that "eat in moderation" is?
Meh. I say: folks should find the healthy approach that works the best for them. And having read Atkins, and Paleo books. They are healthy. (I only know of HCG what I've read here).
You do what works for you. Others should do the same. And if eating proteins, fats, and vegetables works for folks and because it can be perfectly healthy (and healthier than the SAD if done right), why do we care?0 -
dawnslaughter wrote: »hooray this is what i have been saying for year, we didnt get fat because of out genetics, we didnt get fat because we had kids, we got fat because we ate to much end of story!!!!
all these faddy diets work, but only for the short term then you pile on the weight again.
counting calories works i am proof, i still have a long journey to travel but this is the only way to do it
Counting calories has the same re-gain stats as any other diet.0 -
First, zombie thread.
Second, I'm bummed that this isn't some diet based on New Zealand savignon blanc:
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lemurcat12 wrote: »First, zombie thread.
Second, I'm bummed that this isn't some diet based on New Zealand savignon blanc:
frigging zombie threads!!
How did Orione2 even find this thread to dredge it up???
ps: Lovely looking wine!0 -
Complete tosh....I lost weight by eating more... because i dieted by eating less for 7 years my basal temperature had plumeted to 34.5*C. I ate 1200 cals of paleo fodder. No dairy. No grains. No beans. Exersiced moderately biking. Etc etc etc ..blah blah blah. Guess what I cycled across europe for 8 weeks and in 3000 miles lost nada.
Now I eat about 2500 cals. A 1000 a day more and continue to lose weight with more carbs (150g) andd more fat. . Which according to the original posted nonsense means I should be putting on 2lb a week. Calories out vary with body temperature! By dieting I was running my body at about 25% fewer calories than now..hey guess what I can now eat more at 37*C.Complete tosh....I lost weight by eating more... because i dieted by eating less for 7 years my basal temperature had plumeted to 34.5*C. I ate 1200 cals of paleo fodder. No dairy. No grains. No beans. Exersiced moderately biking. Etc etc etc ..blah blah blah. Guess what I cycled across europe for 8 weeks and in 3000 miles lost nada.
Now I eat about 2500 cals. A 1000 a day more and continue to lose weight with more carbs (150g) andd more fat. . Which according to the original posted nonsense means I should be putting on 2lb a week. Calories out vary with body temperature! By dieting I was running my body at about 25% fewer calories than now..hey guess what I can now eat more at 37*C.
Wat?
You're saying your maintenance is 1500 cals...that in a 300 cal deficit you lost "nada", but a 1000 cal surplus and you're losing?
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Yes I'm losing weight because my body temperature has increased on more cabs. Thats a 2*C+ temperature rise. Im lead to believe its upto 17.5% increase in metabolic rate for each degree. Its worked for me anyway0
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Complete tosh....I lost weight by eating more... because i dieted by eating less for 7 years my basal temperature had plumeted to 34.5*C. I ate 1200 cals of paleo fodder. No dairy. No grains. No beans. Exersiced moderately biking. Etc etc etc ..blah blah blah. Guess what I cycled across europe for 8 weeks and in 3000 miles lost nada.
Now I eat about 2500 cals. A 1000 a day more and continue to lose weight with more carbs (150g) andd more fat. . Which according to the original posted nonsense means I should be putting on 2lb a week. Calories out vary with body temperature! By dieting I was running my body at about 25% fewer calories than now..hey guess what I can now eat more at 37*C.Complete tosh....I lost weight by eating more... because i dieted by eating less for 7 years my basal temperature had plumeted to 34.5*C. I ate 1200 cals of paleo fodder. No dairy. No grains. No beans. Exersiced moderately biking. Etc etc etc ..blah blah blah. Guess what I cycled across europe for 8 weeks and in 3000 miles lost nada.
Now I eat about 2500 cals. A 1000 a day more and continue to lose weight with more carbs (150g) andd more fat. . Which according to the original posted nonsense means I should be putting on 2lb a week. Calories out vary with body temperature! By dieting I was running my body at about 25% fewer calories than now..hey guess what I can now eat more at 37*C.
Wat?
You're saying your maintenance is 1500 cals...that in a 300 cal deficit you lost "nada", but a 1000 cal surplus and you're losing?
YES!
LOL, ok. That defies a pretty basic law.
You should totally market this.0 -
Do you have any links to anything scientific that supports the idea that eating more carbs can raise your temperature two degrees on an ongoing basis and that this is causing you to lose more weight than eating less?Yes I'm losing weight because my body temperature has increased on more cabs. Thats a 2*C+ temperature rise. Im lead to believe its upto 17.5% increase in metabolic rate for each degree. Its worked for me anyway
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Yes I'm losing weight because my body temperature has increased on more cabs. Thats a 2*C+ temperature rise. Im lead to believe its upto 17.5% increase in metabolic rate for each degree. Its worked for me anyway
I have been increasing my cabs lately too... Cabernet Franc, Cabernet Sauvignon.... strangely my body temp hasn't gone up and I haven't miraculously lost weight and defied the laws of thermodynamics. I guess I better drink more.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »First, zombie thread.
Second, I'm bummed that this isn't some diet based on New Zealand savignon blanc:
New Zealand Sauvignon Blancs happen to be my favorite wines.0 -
n=1 . Obviously your body temperature is normal it can get hotter. YoureDeguelloTex wrote: »
Do you have any links to anything scientific that supports the idea that eating more carbs can raise your temperature two degrees on an ongoing basis and that this is causing you to lose more weight than eating less?Yes I'm losing weight because my body temperature has increased on more cabs. Thats a 2*C+ temperature rise. Im lead to believe its upto 17.5% increase in metabolic rate for each degree. Its worked for me anyway
Its out there if you look. That by eating less you can mimic hypothyroid ie low body temp. By getting more carbs you start making more hormone again. Obviously you can only get a "normal" body temperature if youve had a low one. I measure mine every day. It was down to 34.5c in the mornings. I tried hot baths, Cold therapy,contrast showers, coconut oil. All these things would only raise my temperature temporarily. I was scared of carbs and becuse people think that if youre fat you're a slob i punished my self by eating less and less still working out. At 1200 cals a day this is unsustainable. My body responded to this treatment by hangning on to fat. Your body is not my body. Do not tell me this is not true. This is how it is for lots of postmenopausal women with people telling them they are slovenly couch potatoes who deserve to die of diebetes because they are fat and dont work out hard enough long enough or eat too much. Its just not true. I know.
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WinoGelato wrote: »Yes I'm losing weight because my body temperature has increased on more cabs. Thats a 2*C+ temperature rise. Im lead to believe its upto 17.5% increase in metabolic rate for each degree. Its worked for me anyway
I have been increasing my cabs lately too... Cabernet Franc, Cabernet Sauvignon.... strangely my body temp hasn't gone up and I haven't miraculously lost weight and defied the laws of thermodynamics. I guess I better drink more.
Sounds like youve had enough already0 -
Man, yes, Cat pee is an amazing diet. Every time I walk in my house, that's all I can smell and I lose my appetite.
Seriously, anyone want a 17 year old cat that pees on carpets? She's all yours. I am at my wit's end with it.
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It isnt as simple as carbs in minus carbs out equals weight loss. Carbs arnt even a unit of mass, they are a unit of energy (potential energy). The body is rate limited through all its processes in converting food to fat. Im sure eating 4000 cals throughout the day will cause more weight gain than putting 4000 cals down in a short time. More cals would be absorbed if consumed over a longer period of time than if eaten all at once. If consumed in a short period of time, more of it would be excreted before being able to be absorbed.0
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A friend of mine had a cat doing that. The cat was very sick. Has yours been to the vet?MommyL2015 wrote: »Man, yes, Cat pee is an amazing diet. Every time I walk in my house, that's all I can smell and I lose my appetite.
Seriously, anyone want a 17 year old cat that pees on carpets? She's all yours. I am at my wit's end with it.
My cat and I are about the same age, but she ages faster than I do and I don't look forward to her old age. I hope your kitty gets better.
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It isnt as simple as carbs in minus carbs out equals weight loss. Carbs arnt even a unit of mass, they are a unit of energy (potential energy). The body is rate limited through all its processes in converting food to fat. Im sure eating 4000 cals throughout the day will cause more weight gain than putting 4000 cals down in a short time. More cals would be absorbed if consumed over a longer period of time than if eaten all at once. If consumed in a short period of time, more of it would be excreted before being able to be absorbed.
Why are you sure? What is your evidence for such a statement?0 -
Yeah, I've taken her to 2 vets, had full blood workups and xrays and they can't find anything wrong with her, other than some mild arthritis in her hips. Tried changing her litter, litter box, food but nothing has worked. For whatever reason, even though she does still use her litter box, once or twice a day she goes on the carpet. She's in really good shape for her age. A little overweight but otherwise healthy.0
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tincanonastring wrote: »It isnt as simple as carbs in minus carbs out equals weight loss. Carbs arnt even a unit of mass, they are a unit of energy (potential energy). The body is rate limited through all its processes in converting food to fat. Im sure eating 4000 cals throughout the day will cause more weight gain than putting 4000 cals down in a short time. More cals would be absorbed if consumed over a longer period of time than if eaten all at once. If consumed in a short period of time, more of it would be excreted before being able to be absorbed.
Why are you sure? What is your evidence for such a statement?
Every physical process is rate limited. I should state I believe this would happen. The only way it wouldn't would be is if the body stored food ate all at once longer so it could absorb the cals or if eating all at once made the rate of conversion higher. That's just math.0 -
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Ok, my opinion.
The only thing that matters for weight loss is CALORIES EATEN and CALORIES LOST. If you want to lose weight eat less and/or exercise more. The only reason that any of these diets work, is because they restrict how much you eat.
Most studies that I have seen show that if you have certain genetic makeup, being overweight strongly increases your risk for Diabetes type 2 and a number of other metabolic problems. Losing weight is the main factor that you can control that will lower your risk. 1/3 of all people are overweight, or obese in the US, and this is a major health problem.
Next, most of these diets like, Paleo, HCG, Atkins, are not healthy. None of them have any evidence that supports them. Again, they only work, because they restrict your calorie intake. Secondly, all of them are promoted by companies/individuals who are making money of you, by trying to convince you that they have the answer that solves your weight. If they help you lose weight, use them, BUT you do not need them. Using a website like this and figure out how many calories that you eat and how many that you lose, is all you need and can save you a lot of money and less health risk by following these diets.
Reading through some post and websites, it seems to me that these diets start with a tiny fact, and then they build this pyramid on that. Facts, like paleo people eat only meat, babies only drink milk, pregnant woman have hormones, are used and distorted. Like this: babies drink milk with lots of cholesterol and saturated fat, thus this is good and essential for babies, thus eating lots of saturated fat and cholesterol is good for all of us, etc. Let me make two up: some people drawn in water, hence too much water kills, hence any water will kill you, thus do not drink any water. Most cats are not overweight, hence drinking cat pee will make you lose weight and gain a normal weight.
Note that they all argue they have it figured out and try to convince you that they have the only key fact that’s important. However, the bottom line is test it, and none of them have ever been tested. Again, they restrict eating, and if this restricts calorie intake you will lose weight, nothing magical about it. And they are promoted, because people/companies make money of you by doing this.
My opinion, eat in moderation, control your weight and ignore all this blabber. There are some things that we do have good evidence for. Trans fat are bad, avoid them. Fiber is good, hence any way you get more fiber, like whole foods, fruits and vegetables is good for you. Too much saturated fat is not healthy, also for people with a normal weight. Eat saturated fat them in moderation, or avoid them. Fish oil is good for your health, eat more fish. But research these facts yourself from reputable sources, not websites or posts her by people/companies that are making money of you. Go to the USDA, Cancer society, Diebetis society, Mayo clinic, etc. And I am impressed with Wikipedia, almost all their information is a good summary of each topic.
Some people who follow these diets seem like reborn religious converts to me. It does not matter what you say their mind is made up, and they are fervent in trying to convert you to their faith/diet. Often they claim that there is a government/industry/Monsanto conspiracy out there that has brainwashed all of us, and that they have found a leader/diet that has lead them out of this wilderness. Well if it helps them lose weight, good for them, but remember you do not need this. CALORIES IN versus CALORIES OUT, eat less or exercise more that’s the only thing that matters for weight loss.
Ok, obivously you have not researched Atkins, Paleo, HCG or any of the plans that you mentioned. If you had, you would not have written anything that you wrote above.......
There are plenty of PROVEN scientific facts that support these plans. I am getting ready to shower, but I will be more than happy to share with them with you and everyone else when I return from the market and the spa.
Just because the plan is NOT for U, don't judge others that are using these plans that take them from A to B (with B being maintenance).
As far as the USDA, ADA, AHA, AMA, FDA and any other organization. Yes, they are all in bed with big pharmaceuticals and Monsanto and the like.
Monsanto is going to kill off the world with their GMO's. If you are not bothered that they are injecting roundup into the seeds and modifying the genetics of it so that it won't die off and you don't mind ingesting poisons that are making our bodies toxic, then you be my guest. Me and my family will have NO parts of it.
Now days it is VERY, VERY crucial to know where your food is coming from. If you shop at the main stream grocery stores, then you are eating factory farmed meats that are shot with hormones and antibiotics so they grow in a fraction of the time that they are meant to grow in.
Ever buy vegetables or fruit that barely have a taste to them or don't taste good at all????? Genetically modified and then picked before they ripened to be shipped on average 1500 miles.
Watch Food Inc, Food Matters, The Future of Food, King Corn, Big River and there are others..............these people are not lying to you. Companies like Monsanto are cruel and evil. If you only knew what they are doing to farmers and their families. Ruining them and they are ruining our environment and the food supply is already ruined unless you buy Local, farm raised, sustainable foods.
Our government is the ones lying to us. It is just some of us are open minded enough to know this already.
See, I was hoping to make a funny joke about people are free to come change my cat's litter boxes and take what they want back with them.
Now I actually have to have a discussion about how Monsanto with revenues of less than $20 Billion can buy off government about GMOs, while Exxon and the other big Petro corps with $100 billion revenues can't stop climate change research.
You want to know who's cruel and evil? Greenpeace. They go around burning down Golden Rice test crop fields. They sue researchers over wording of consent forms for tests done to show the efficiency of Golden Rice. These actions mean they can have the 8 million or so children who have died from vitamin A deficiency in the last decade or so on their heads.0 -
A friend of mine had a cat doing that. The cat was very sick. Has yours been to the vet?MommyL2015 wrote: »Man, yes, Cat pee is an amazing diet. Every time I walk in my house, that's all I can smell and I lose my appetite.
Seriously, anyone want a 17 year old cat that pees on carpets? She's all yours. I am at my wit's end with it.
My cat and I are about the same age, but she ages faster than I do and I don't look forward to her old age. I hope your kitty gets better.
Mine started doing that at 17 years old as well. She was going through kidney failure.
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tincanonastring wrote: »It isnt as simple as carbs in minus carbs out equals weight loss. Carbs arnt even a unit of mass, they are a unit of energy (potential energy). The body is rate limited through all its processes in converting food to fat. Im sure eating 4000 cals throughout the day will cause more weight gain than putting 4000 cals down in a short time. More cals would be absorbed if consumed over a longer period of time than if eaten all at once. If consumed in a short period of time, more of it would be excreted before being able to be absorbed.
Why are you sure? What is your evidence for such a statement?
Every physical process is rate limited. I should state I believe this would happen. The only way it wouldn't would be is if the body stored food ate all at once longer so it could absorb the cals or if eating all at once made the rate of conversion higher. That's just math.
Sorry, I should have been more clear with my question. What is the rate limit of the digestion process as it relates to energy and nutrient absorption?0 -
Poor kitty cat. And poor you.MommyL2015 wrote: »Yeah, I've taken her to 2 vets, had full blood workups and xrays and they can't find anything wrong with her, other than some mild arthritis in her hips. Tried changing her litter, litter box, food but nothing has worked. For whatever reason, even though she does still use her litter box, once or twice a day she goes on the carpet. She's in really good shape for her age. A little overweight but otherwise healthy.
It's so sad.
I hope it gets better. That cannot be fun.0 -
So you're saying the only way this would work is if the body works the way it does? The body does, in fact, buffer and create chyme when it has more food than it can work with at one time. Is buffering and holding a perfectly energy free action? Well no, everything has some cost, but the body has evolved under evolutionary pressure to make this a rather efficient process to the point that it won't allow you to "cheat" the system and get extra calories. Try as you might, you'll maybe buy yourself an extra stick of sugar free gum.tincanonastring wrote: »It isnt as simple as carbs in minus carbs out equals weight loss. Carbs arnt even a unit of mass, they are a unit of energy (potential energy). The body is rate limited through all its processes in converting food to fat. Im sure eating 4000 cals throughout the day will cause more weight gain than putting 4000 cals down in a short time. More cals would be absorbed if consumed over a longer period of time than if eaten all at once. If consumed in a short period of time, more of it would be excreted before being able to be absorbed.
Why are you sure? What is your evidence for such a statement?
Every physical process is rate limited. I should state I believe this would happen. The only way it wouldn't would be is if the body stored food ate all at once longer so it could absorb the cals or if eating all at once made the rate of conversion higher. That's just math.
People will do this in intermitten fasting, but it is purely about appetite control, it doesn't cause magic.
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