PLEASE educate yourselves!
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So agree with this post. Thank you for posting.0
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I'm not suggesting sugar coating anything, what I am suggesting is taking a broader approach to giving your advice. If your intent is to really help someone who could be making a serious error in judgement, especially in regards to their health, you might be better served by taking the insult out of it.
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I agree with a few of your points....but what a shame you felt you had to insult the MFP audience to get it across...
One of the great facets of MFP and MFP forums, is it gives a voice to those who might not ask questions otherwise. Not everyone is in the medical field, and many may not be accustomed to doing research. I would even venture to say that you will find many who don't have medical coverage or primary doctors or avenues which will allow them to address their potential or ongoing health issues. That being said, branding certain people as "dumb" and insulting them, only takes away another opportunity to take charge of their health, or seek out the answers they need.
I understand where you are coming from, just think you might have been able to reach a lot more people if you would have taken some of the sting out.
Maybe you should read ALL of the posts that I made in this topic... I'm pretty sure it's quite obvious that I don't believe in sugar coating anything... sugar coated advice has NEVER saved a life or made a difference. Truth is hard and matter of fact, and the only way to tell the truth is to tell it like it is. If someone is offended by what I had to say.... then maybe they should talk to my grandmother who once told me "If the truth hurts, change it!"
I'm not suggesting sugar coating anything, what I am suggesting is taking a broader approach to giving your advice. If your intent is to really help someone who could be making a serious error in judgement, especially in regards to their health, you might be better served by taking the insult out of it.
I never said I was giving advice, if someone reads this and it serves as a much needed wake up call then THANK GOODNESS!!!!!!!!
But I very clearly stated I was ranting. Ranting typically includes... you know... ranting. so umm... Have a nice day to you as well!0 -
While I am not a doctor in real life, I often play one in the bedroom, and I support this message.
Seriously, I work at one of the largest DOD Medical facilities in the US, and I hear it over and over again about the virtues of listening to your doctor and seeking expert advice.0 -
While I am not a doctor in real life, I often play one in the bedroom, and I support this message.
Seriously, I work at one of the largest DOD Medical facilities in the US, and I hear it over and over again about the virtues of listening to your doctor and seeking expert advice.
LMAO!!! If I ever run for... well for ANYTHING, wanna be my campaign manager?!0 -
While I am not a doctor in real life, I often play one in the bedroom, and I support this message.
Seriously, I work at one of the largest DOD Medical facilities in the US, and I hear it over and over again about the virtues of listening to your doctor and seeking expert advice.
LMAO!!! If I ever run for... well for ANYTHING, wanna be my campaign manager?!
Absolutely.. we will start with a grass roots campaign then move to a viral media onslaught utilizing memes and mass media outlets like Chive. We will also need to get you a lap giraffe. That will ensure epic win!0 -
While I am not a doctor in real life, I often play one in the bedroom, and I support this message.
Seriously, I work at one of the largest DOD Medical facilities in the US, and I hear it over and over again about the virtues of listening to your doctor and seeking expert advice.
LMAO!!! If I ever run for... well for ANYTHING, wanna be my campaign manager?!
Absolutely.. we will start with a grass roots campaign then move to a viral media onslaught utilizing memes and mass media outlets like Chive. We will also need to get you a lap giraffe. That will ensure epic win!
Holy falling out of my chair laughing, Batman! I have ALWAYS said I NEEEEEEED a lap giraffe! Now I know WHY!
Now I just need to pick a public office to run for. But I have standards... I need to be certain I'm going to be offending people every time I make a public appearance, because if not, what's the point?! Secondly, there has to be good coffee and people with a great sense of humor to fetch it for me (yes, I said fetch!). Finally... I can NOT ever be asked to be at work before 9am.
I see the beginning of something beautiful!0 -
Wow... You have a valid point about people needing to go to the Dr.s If something is wrong with them. In the country I live in that is easy to do as we don't pay for our healthcare. Of course that doesn't mean Dr's or nurses for that matter are always right.
Everyone has a right to an opinion, most people are not stupid. Desperate maybe, frustrated perhaps.0 -
I LOVE your post. One reason I love my kids Pedi is he has told me on several occasions "if you think something is wrong with your child then something is probably wrong". His thinking is I spend more time with my children than he does in a Dr visit so I will be the first to notice a change. He has NEVER made me feel crazy about calling or showing up at the office w/o an appointment!!0
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Wow... You have a valid point about people needing to go to the Dr.s If something is wrong with them. In the country I live in that is easy to do as we don't pay for our healthcare. Of course that doesn't mean Dr's or nurses for that matter are always right.
Everyone has a right to an opinion, most people are not stupid. Desperate maybe, frustrated perhaps.
We pay for our healthcare through our taxes. It isn't "free".0 -
Thanks for that. Very cathartic.0
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Wow... You have a valid point about people needing to go to the Dr.s If something is wrong with them. In the country I live in that is easy to do as we don't pay for our healthcare. Of course that doesn't mean Dr's or nurses for that matter are always right.
Everyone has a right to an opinion, most people are not stupid. Desperate maybe, frustrated perhaps.
We pay for our healthcare through our taxes. It isn't "free".
Americans pay taxes too.....The point.....not everyone can afford health care.0 -
Your body lets you know when something is going on. You just have to listen to it.
Some of us lost the ability to listen to our bodies, if we ever had it - or maybe we never learnt to - or maybe our bodies are just confused. Whatever the reason "listen to your body" doesn't work. That's why I'm recording food intake and energy expenditure - so I can learn what's right for my body and how it tells me so (or possibly so my body gets the hang of what it needs).
I do know I need to stop drinking artificially sweetened drinks - if I'm tricking my body into thinking it's getting more calories than it is, how can I expect it know what's what.?0 -
Great post, but at the same time doctors STILL don't listen to patients and only follow what they have read in a book. After seeing an ENDO and explaining to him that ever since my phyiscian prescribed me Armour after tryiing both Synthyroid and Levo for months, I am finally feeling better than ever before- no mutliple long naps a day, night terrors, anger issues, ect. Finally seeing some results in all my hard work with working out, ect.
What does he do- takes away my Armour and says he is putting me BACK on levosynthyorid because doctors don't like to prescribe it because it is hard to get dosage right! Yes, that is right- after the past 2 months of finally not napping all the time, having the energy and want to spend time with family and friends and getting my life back on track and getting sleep- he is ONLY listening to what is in his stupid books and not listening to ME and how I FEEL. He even had the nerve to tell me that the weight I am finally seeing drop has "nothing to do with all of your working out or diet, it is 100% because of Armour"! I wanted to punch his lights out
That is why people are fed up with doctors! We don't all fall into the model of the examples they come across in their books and in their school internships. Patients need to be treated as individuals and how they are feeling needs to be listened to**warning** This is probably going to offend some people... you've been warned, so do NOT proceed to tell me off, ok?!
I have been reading through random blogs and posts in the forums lately and, as a nurse, I am completely SHOCKED at how (pardon me) dumb people are! I completely understand that not everyone has had any sort of formal medical training, but some of this stuff is common sense people!
You have to take care of YOU! You're doctors and health care professionals are not going to seek you out and beg you to let them do an exam! If you're having a problem, GO TO THE DOCTOR. If you're not getting the answers you're seeking, ask yourself if you're asking the right questions or if you've been totally honest with your provider.
NO ONE IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF YOU FOR YOU!
As doctors and nurses it is not our job to tell you what is wrong with you, it our job to listen to what your saying, and THEN test and work from there to find an answer... if you're not saying anything/the right things/getting checked out at all... how do you expect to get any answers??
The top 3 things I've seen in blogs and posts repeatedly that blow my mind are:
1. TOM is all messed up, cycles are screwy/too short/too long/not happening at all and the women, and the people who respond to them just say things like "oh well, I guess it will work itself out!" REALLY?! When something is going wrong, it's your body's way of telling you it can't fix it on its own. GO TO THE DOCTOR. These could be signs of SERIOUS health problems! THINK PEOPLE!!!
2. "I don't take my blood pressure medicine cuz I don't like the way it makes me feel." REALLY?! Are you gonna like the way you feel when you have a stroke and die?! Seriously people, if the doctor puts you on a med for something, no matter what it is, TAKE THE DAMN MEDICATION. You can NOT just blatantly stop taking a med because you don't feel like taking it! SERIOUSLY! The effects of abruptly stopping a medication can be dangerous! LISTEN TO YOUR DOCTORS PLEASE!
3. "My doctor doesn't know what he's talking about. I'm just gonna do my own thing" (obviously that's more of a paraphrase but you get the idea) Thos eof you who say that will probably be the same person to sue the doctor when you have a stroke/heart attack/go into a diabetic coma/or whatever else because you're always the ones that blame EVERYONE else for your own mistakes! They don't hand out medical degrees at the McDonalds drive through people. You're doctor is an educated person... odds are if he/she is telling you something/prescribing a med or treatment, it's probably in your best interest to follow the doctors orders. If you don't, FINE, but don't ***** about it when you are sicker/worse off in a couple months then you were when you started!!!
and one more thing... all of you diabetics and people with high blood pressure, just because you take your medicine doesn't mean you don't have to change your eating habits and lifestyle! So you took your metformin this morning like you're supposed to... that does not mean it's ok to have a freaking candy bar at lunch!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm sorry, but it's SO frustrating, almost impossible, to be a healthcare worker and NOT scream and yell and throw a fit when you see this stuff!!!!!
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UK health care is free at the point of service - so for people that can't pay taxes it is
Wow... You have a valid point about people needing to go to the Dr.s If something is wrong with them. In the country I live in that is easy to do as we don't pay for our healthcare. Of course that doesn't mean Dr's or nurses for that matter are always right.
Everyone has a right to an opinion, most people are not stupid. Desperate maybe, frustrated perhaps.
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hate it when nurses and doctors are over weight....not a good example!......
u.s doctors are the worse....they like to pump $$ out of sick people doing stupid test that never lead to anything...
especially teaching hospitals, this happen to my mom she had to go to her country el salvador to find out she had kidney problem get cured twice cuz u.s docs are...mmm stupid??....she would have died here.... maybe mcds is handing out degrees! ..and it cost way less than here, along the way my dad lost our house because of medical bills that lead to NOTHING!!!!!!............my rant done!!....0 -
i couldn't agree more with your post. I'm studying pharmacy and it's so frustrating to go into clinicals or the pharmacy and see this same thing come up over and over! Most of the time, when the doctor is "wrong", it's because the patient hasn't given 100% of the information!
I had a patient who neglected to tell his doctor that he was on viagra while he was complaining about high blood pressure. The doctor prescribed meds simply for the high BP - but the drug would have been extremely harmful in combination with the viagra! Thankfully he goes to the same pharmacy for all his meds so I caught this. I can only imagine the lawsuit that would have happened had I not - and it wasn't the doctor's fault!
I mean seriously, tell your doctor everything! And ask them questions! Get second opinions (from other doctors - not from your friends or from the internet or friends on the internet!) Ignorance is NOT bliss.0 -
No offense to the few of you that have had bad experiences with doctors, BUT I must say, from my experience with those types of situations, it usually always boils down to a patient simply not understand why a doc did what he or she did, or the patient simply not saying what needs to be said... no matter how brilliant a doc is, no matter where he or she went to school, they can NOT, I repeat, can NOT read minds. If you don't open your mouth and say the right things, they can't do anything about it.
As far as a med change, there could be 5 million reasons he changed your meds... was your blood work matching up with the way you felt? If not, then the med wasn't working. Was your thyroid flipping out and over dumping TSH and that caused the weight loss/energy boost? If so, the med wasn't working right. there could be 5 million reasons why that med was changed, sometimes the things that we as patients see and hear are not what the doctos is actually saying, but people tend to only see and hear what they want...
before everyone goes off about what terrible doctors they are, they also need to be sure they are being 100% honest with themselves and their doctors!
I'm not saying medical mistakes don't happen, because they do, but as it's been said, doctors ARE human. And I'm sure all of you are just as perfect as you expect them to be... right?!0 -
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because being a doctor or nurse automatically makes them immune to the same things that happen to "regular" people?
Because I'm a nurse I somehow magically should have never gained the weight I did? Really?! Does what your saying even make a damn bit of sense... think about that for a minute. You gained weight for whatever reasons, thats why you're here, right? I'm sure you didn't want to be over weight, I'm sure you never pictured that for your life, but it happened right?
Same here... I'm a nurse, and I am definitely over weight! Know when I gained most of my weight? Nursing school! Know why? Because I sat in a class room with my nose in a book for 8 hours a day. Then I went home and studied for 4 or more hours a night... I graduated at the top of my class, I excelled in school... But I gained ALOT of weight because I was sitting and studying, I ate at my desk, I ate late at night when I was cramming for exams, and I really neglected my body because I was REALLY focused on school... so if you ask me, that makes me a DAMN GOOD NURSE. I LEARNED and kicked my own *kitten* in school to be sure that I KNEW what I was doing before I ever got my hands on a patient!
Not to mention I've had 2 kids, cancer, and (like thousands of other NORMAL people) I eat when I'm stressed... my husband is active duty Army, you think I ever get stressed out and reach for a cookie? You bet your *kitten* I do!
People that live in glass houses probably shouldn't throw stones!0 -
Amen!! You are right on!
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People that live in glass houses probably shouldn't throw stones!
Pot meet Kettle. You have no right to call others dumb especially when you are basing your opinion on their intelligence on a few posts they made. how do you know they didn't pick up the phone and call their doctor right after they posted their question here? Or maybe they've already been to their doctor and haven't been able to get answers to their problems so they figured posting it here would give them alot of different opinions.
I am sure alot of people who have never been overweight might insult someone's intelligence for allowing themselves to get overweight to begin with.
I read you had a busy life, but so did alot of other nurses while going to school and maybe they didn't gain weight so what it boils down to are a bunch of excuses. Allowing yourself to become overweight is probably just as unhealthy as ignoring your doctors orders....does that make you dumb too?
Take your own advice.....People that live in glass houses probably shouldn't throw stones!0 -
hate it when nurses and doctors are over weight....not a good example!......
u.s doctors are the worse....they like to pump $$ out of sick people doing stupid test that never lead to anything...
especially teaching hospitals, this happen to my mom she had to go to her country el salvador to find out she had kidney problem get cured twice cuz u.s docs are...mmm stupid??....she would have died here.... maybe mcds is handing out degrees! ..and it cost way less than here, along the way my dad lost our house because of medical bills that lead to NOTHING!!!!!!............my rant done!!....
I quoted this as an example, though there are similar posts in this thread. Way too many people in the general public like to throw all doctors into one and make crazy assumptions, and this is part of what the OP was complaining about. It's no different than categorizing all teachers, overweight people, or black or Latin Americans as the same. People are NOT the same, and doctors and nurses are people too. Doctors do NOT make money doing tests, especially not in teaching hospitals. We don't make money from prescriptions either. There are all kinds of crazy rumors being spread about doctors that are not true. It's ignorant to go running around repeating something when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
It pisses me off cause I worked hard in medical school, and I work hard long hours trying to keep my patients safe and figure out what's wrong with them. I work at a county hospital where most have no insurance so every test or medication I order is coming out of my taxes, not the patient's pocketbook. I spend my precious time explaining to a patient what's wrong with them and give them a treatment only to be ignored and have them come back sicker because of it. There is also the constant threat of lawsuits unlike in any other country.
And by the way, I see a lot of sick people who didn't have a diagnosis despite going to several doctors but I diagnosed them. Was it because their doctor was a money-grubbing idiot with a degree from mcDs? No! Mistakes happen, but most of the time it is because as the body evolves into the disease state the diagnosis becomes more obvious and the diagnostic tests start to come back positive.
I will never generalize like so many are happy to do, but I will say that the vast majority of doctors and nurses are well-educated and doing what we're doing out of passion and concern for their patients0 -
I've seen a lot of terrible nutritional advice given on here from doctors, honestly. I'll listen to any doctor when it comes to diagnosing issues and prescribing medication, but outside of that I have a tough time taking doctors on face value on something they haven't directly studied in detail.
Fair enough. MDs are not RDs. A doctor can tell you that you need to lose weight, what to eat for diabetes and kidney disease, and diagnose a few nutritional deficiencies, but they are not formally in trained in nutrition. A doctor posting on the Internet should be treated like a regular person with an opinion cause for all you know they're not really a doctor
However, if YOUR doctor tells you to be a specific diet they are likely not talking out of their a**, so you should ask questions and follow the advice or get a second opinion from another DOCTOR. I don't think the OP was ever saying that RNs and MDs on the Internet should be the final word on nutrition 0 -
No offense to the few of you that have had bad experiences with doctors, BUT I must say, from my experience with those types of situations, it usually always boils down to a patient simply not understand why a doc did what he or she did, or the patient simply not saying what needs to be said... no matter how brilliant a doc is, no matter where he or she went to school, they can NOT, I repeat, can NOT read minds. If you don't open your mouth and say the right things, they can't do anything about it.
As far as a med change, there could be 5 million reasons he changed your meds... was your blood work matching up with the way you felt? If not, then the med wasn't working. Was your thyroid flipping out and over dumping TSH and that caused the weight loss/energy boost? If so, the med wasn't working right. there could be 5 million reasons why that med was changed, sometimes the things that we as patients see and hear are not what the doctos is actually saying, but people tend to only see and hear what they want...
before everyone goes off about what terrible doctors they are, they also need to be sure they are being 100% honest with themselves and their doctors!
I'm not saying medical mistakes don't happen, because they do, but as it's been said, doctors ARE human. And I'm sure all of you are just as perfect as you expect them to be... right?!
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Just a reminder folks - let's keep the discussion civil and respectful. Attacking or insulting other users is not allowed on the forums at any time, under any circumstance.
It's absolutely fine to debate a message, but you cannot attack the messenger.0 -
Yay!! I see a lot of this.
I also see people exercising themselves into the ground while eating almost nothing. Then they wonder why they get exhausted, depressed and they ache and hurt and don't feel right.
Your body lets you know when something is going on. You just have to listen to it.
I think you should respond to them. Maybe if they see a nurse giving them advice they will take it.
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While I am not a doctor in real life, I often play one in the bedroom, and I support this message.
Seriously, I work at one of the largest DOD Medical facilities in the US, and I hear it over and over again about the virtues of listening to your doctor and seeking expert advice.
LMAO!!! If I ever run for... well for ANYTHING, wanna be my campaign manager?!
Absolutely.. we will start with a grass roots campaign then move to a viral media onslaught utilizing memes and mass media outlets like Chive. We will also need to get you a lap giraffe. That will ensure epic win!
Holy falling out of my chair laughing, Batman! I have ALWAYS said I NEEEEEEED a lap giraffe! Now I know WHY!
Now I just need to pick a public office to run for. But I have standards... I need to be certain I'm going to be offending people every time I make a public appearance, because if not, what's the point?! Secondly, there has to be good coffee and people with a great sense of humor to fetch it for me (yes, I said fetch!). Finally... I can NOT ever be asked to be at work before 9am.
I see the beginning of something beautiful!
Hmmm.. I took all your demands into consideration and think we have some real viable options for you.
Option 1. I think we should be looking at Mayor of San Francisco. You certainly couldn’t offend anyone there, they all must have a great since of humor living in that city and there are tons of guys would love to play fetch for a strong woman in power. Hell, for that matter, I will fetch your coffee, SF has great coffee.
I have taken the liberty of putting your campaign on the waiting list for a lap giraffe.
http://www.petitelapgiraffe.com/
I think it’s all coming together nicely.
Other options available upon request, but I really think this is our best bet.
Viva la lap Giraffe... our official campain slogan.0 -
People that live in glass houses probably shouldn't throw stones!
Pot meet Kettle. You have no right to call others dumb especially when you are basing your opinion on their intelligence on a few posts they made. how do you know they didn't pick up the phone and call their doctor right after they posted their question here? Or maybe they've already been to their doctor and haven't been able to get answers to their problems so they figured posting it here would give them alot of different opinions.
I am sure alot of people who have never been overweight might insult someone's intelligence for allowing themselves to get overweight to begin with.
I read you had a busy life, but so did alot of other nurses while going to school and maybe they didn't gain weight so what it boils down to are a bunch of excuses. Allowing yourself to become overweight is probably just as unhealthy as ignoring your doctors orders....does that make you dumb too?
Take your own advice.....People that live in glass houses probably shouldn't throw stones!
Did you read my original post... actually READ it? the beauty of the 1st amendment, is that I REALLY can say how I feel and what I think. I even warned you in the beginning that it might be offensive, don't act shocked that it was...
And I'm also going to go out on a limb here and assume you didn't study nursing? or have never talked to someone until you were completely blue in the face just to have them turn around and do the exact opposite of what you just told them? if you did, was it not the most frustrating thing ever? well, in our world (the medical profession) that happens EVERY SINGLE DAY.
You might want to consider wearing some safety gear... I see your glass shattering ALL over the place there, kettle!0 -
No offense to the few of you that have had bad experiences with doctors, BUT I must say, from my experience with those types of situations, it usually always boils down to a patient simply not understand why a doc did what he or she did, or the patient simply not saying what needs to be said... no matter how brilliant a doc is, no matter where he or she went to school, they can NOT, I repeat, can NOT read minds. If you don't open your mouth and say the right things, they can't do anything about it.
As far as a med change, there could be 5 million reasons he changed your meds... was your blood work matching up with the way you felt? If not, then the med wasn't working. Was your thyroid flipping out and over dumping TSH and that caused the weight loss/energy boost? If so, the med wasn't working right. there could be 5 million reasons why that med was changed, sometimes the things that we as patients see and hear are not what the doctos is actually saying, but people tend to only see and hear what they want...
before everyone goes off about what terrible doctors they are, they also need to be sure they are being 100% honest with themselves and their doctors!
I'm not saying medical mistakes don't happen, because they do, but as it's been said, doctors ARE human. And I'm sure all of you are just as perfect as you expect them to be... right?!
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Can I just say... I love you! LOL
I would quote all your replies and cheer you on, but I think just professing my sincere appreciation will suffice for now.0 -
While I am not a doctor in real life, I often play one in the bedroom, and I support this message.
Seriously, I work at one of the largest DOD Medical facilities in the US, and I hear it over and over again about the virtues of listening to your doctor and seeking expert advice.
LMAO!!! If I ever run for... well for ANYTHING, wanna be my campaign manager?!
Absolutely.. we will start with a grass roots campaign then move to a viral media onslaught utilizing memes and mass media outlets like Chive. We will also need to get you a lap giraffe. That will ensure epic win!
Holy falling out of my chair laughing, Batman! I have ALWAYS said I NEEEEEEED a lap giraffe! Now I know WHY!
Now I just need to pick a public office to run for. But I have standards... I need to be certain I'm going to be offending people every time I make a public appearance, because if not, what's the point?! Secondly, there has to be good coffee and people with a great sense of humor to fetch it for me (yes, I said fetch!). Finally... I can NOT ever be asked to be at work before 9am.
I see the beginning of something beautiful!
Hmmm.. I took all your demands into consideration and think we have some real viable options for you.
Option 1. I think we should be looking at Mayor of San Francisco. You certainly couldn’t offend anyone there, they all must have a great since of humor living in that city and there are tons of guys would love to play fetch for a strong woman in power. Hell, for that matter, I will fetch your coffee, SF has great coffee.
I have taken the liberty of putting your campaign on the waiting list for a lap giraffe.
http://www.petitelapgiraffe.com/
I think it’s all coming together nicely.
Other options available upon request, but I really think this is our best bet.
Viva la lap Giraffe... our official campain slogan.
You have just made my list of top 10 favorite people EVER.0
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