"Paleo diet" - 70% fat???

Dutchausican

Well said...

mrphil86

So you're telling me when my body runs out of carbs it uses.... fat to power my workouts???

Bingo. Fat is the body's third choice for fuel. Naturally carbs are first choice, followed by protein, then fat. I went from huffing & puffing & dying at 4 mph on the treadmill to hammering out sprints on 8 like it was no big deal within 2 weeks of going Paleo/Primal. That same week I went from grunting and straining to do a 30 lb pec fly to 50 lbs effortlessly.
The body is capable of amazing feats depending on the fuel you give it.

Why don't you stop doubting and say "Aw, what the heck" and give it a try? Do it whole-heartedly for one month. See how you feel. If there's no change, you've done nothing worse than eat incredibly clean (living off of meat, fruits, and veggies).

Ok yes, but you just said it goes to protein after carbs. Therefor it's pulling protein from your muscles. So I'm still not understanding why it does not effect muscle mass.

I refuse to try something when the cold hard facts say that the paleo diet is bad for you.

EDIT: I do remember one point in my life where I was taking in more proteins and low carbs. This was not a diet just my situation in the military made me do it. I had to eat RAW meat like frogs and crap. Trust me, it did not work out. I felt like garbage after.

BryanAir

The appendix still has a function. Unfortunately I don't have an answer about why it malfunctions and needs removing.

It is speculated it might have a function but never proven. It fills with waste and rots and that's why it needs to be removed.

More widely accepted it that it used to contain enzymes that broke down the high fiber diets our ancestors ate.

I was taught that the appendix has become useless and atrophied over time because it's function was to aid in the digestion of raw meat. Since humans started cooking their food the body has evolved over time. It sometimes gets inflammed and needs to be removed because of the reason above. It fills with fecal matter and because it does not have the same peristalsis function as the rest of the colon it can not move the fecal matter the way the rest of the colon.

That's the first time I've heard that one. Can you provide a source?

EDIT: Nevermind, found one. But just like the fiber digestion, nobody can prove it.

If you don't want to do it, that's fine. But is it really necessary to attack those who choose the lifestyle for themselves and are having success with it?

I haven't been in this conversation, but if someone is promoting a quack fad diet with no scientific backing and pretending that it is scientific then they should be called out where they are promoting it. The debate isn't to convince the people who believe the quacks, as they are usually too far gone down the anti-scientific path. The debate is to convince the people who might listen to the unsafe information given, such as a diet consisting of 70% fat.

mrphil86

The appendix still has a function. Unfortunately I don't have an answer about why it malfunctions and needs removing.

It is speculated it might have a function but never proven. It fills with waste and rots and that's why it needs to be removed.

More widely accepted it that it used to contain enzymes that broke down the high fiber diets our ancestors ate.

I was taught that the appendix has become useless and atrophied over time because it's function was to aid in the digestion of raw meat. Since humans started cooking their food the body has evolved over time. It sometimes gets inflammed and needs to be removed because of the reason above. It fills with fecal matter and because it does not have the same peristalsis function as the rest of the colon it can not move the fecal matter the way the rest of the colon.

That's the first time I've heard that one. Can you provide a source?

EDIT: Nevermind, found one. But just like the fiber digestion, nobody can prove it.

If you don't want to do it, that's fine. But is it really necessary to attack those who choose the lifestyle for themselves and are having success with it?

I haven't been in this conversation, but if someone is promoting a quack fad diet with no scientific backing and pretending that it is scientific then they should be called out where they are promoting it. The debate isn't to convince the people who believe the quacks, as they are usually too far gone down the anti-scientific path. The debate is to convince the people who might listen to the unsafe information given, such as a diet consisting of 70% fat.

Thank you.

Grokette

Eskimos eat about 80% FAT daily and they are some of the healthiest people on this earth. They don't have the heart disease, Diabetes or other ailments that burden us Americans...............

They also have the largest brains.

I guess by saying "eskimo" what you really mean is Inuit. (You should know that "eskimo" is a rude term, by the way). From the link posted by a member:

Inuit Greenlanders ....... have the worst longevity statistics in North America. Research from the past and present shows that they die on the average about 10 years younger and have a higher rate of cancer than the overall Canadian population.

Source:
1. Iburg KM, Bronnum-Hansen H, Bjerregaard P. Health expectancy in Greenland. Scand J Public Health 2001;29(1):5-12. Choinere R. Mortality among the Baffin Inuit in the mid-80s. Arctive Med Res 1992;51 (2):87-93.

I am talking about the Eskimos that live in Southwest Alaska. They eat 80% whale and seal blubber.

Ok, where do you get this from? Reference please. An do you have any health statistics for the same people? Or are you just making this up?

You best believe that anything I type and put out here has been thoroughly read and researched by me and others. I get a lot of information from my doctors. One being a Naturopathic Dr and the other one a Metabolic Endocrinologist who focuses on Natural treatments. They know where my passions lies and give me plenty to read and research.

For your reading pleasure:

Seriously, everyone needs a fat brain. In a world where "skinny" is good, if you want a healthy happy brain, you need a fat brain. Get this:

Did you know that 60% of your brain is made of fat?

No kidding. It's a scientific fact. Look it up if you don't believe me. Most of those fats are polyunsaturated fat, so, sorry, but eating Twinkies isn't going to help your brain.

Instead these fats are omega-3 fatty acids, and form the cell membranes that cover neurons and other cell organs. These fats are also the main ingredient in your synapses and dendrites, which are the connections between your neurons. In short, these fats form the parts of your brain that allow you to think. Huh, imagine that!

So What Kind of Fat Does Your Brain Need?

Omega-3 fatty acids are what your brain needs to function. Specifically, the brain needs two kinds of omega-3 fatty acids: EPA and DHA. There's been a lot of news lately about DHA, and that is because studies show that a low intake of DHA fats can lead to depression and other brain impairments, while increasing intake of DHA relieves these problems.

Why Are Omega-3 Fatty Acids Hard to Get?

Unfortunately, because of food processing methods and industrial methods of raising livestock, most of the omega-3 fatty acids have been removed from the foods we eat. I'm not just referring to Twinkies here, but basically any packaged food and meats that are not organic.

So unless you are eating food out of your own garden and raising your own livestock, you may need to supplement your body's natural supply of omega-3 fatty acids... that is, if you want to have a fat brain. In fact, your brain needs to be really fat to function well.

Here's another interesting fat fact: fat makes up 25% of a healthy brain's total brain. That's pretty fat!

Healthy Sources of Omega-3 Fatty Acids

If you want to supplement your body's omega-3 fatty acids, look to the ocean and think Eskimos. As a population Eskimos have been shown to have some of the highest levels of omega-3 fatty acids. Why? Because they eat a lot of coldwater fish like cod, mackerel and salmon. These cold-water fish are high in omega-3 fatty acids because they, in turn, eat a lot of blue-green algae.

So to increase your levels of omega-3 fatty acids, you can eat fish, take fish oil supplements, or go straight to the source and eat blue-green algae. In fact, going to the source may be best because many fish suffer from environmental contamination, and many fish oil supplements degrade by the time they reach your local health food store's shelves. The University of California at Berkeley Wellness Letter strongly recommends eating AFA blue-green algae as an alternative to fish oil supplements.

Personally, although I quite like to cook and eat fish, especially salmon, I find that taking blue-green algae capsules to be a convenient daily supplement to ensure that my brain's getting enough fat.

I've never wanted to be fat in my life, but these days, I'm thinking being fat in certain parts of my body is a good thing.

I'm going for a fat brain... what about you?

++++++++++++++++

Alan Joel is a Doctor of Chinese Medicine and nutritional counselor. He is also an independent distributor of Simplexity Health, producer of all-natural AFA blue-green algae products for people, pets, and plants.

Grokette

The appendix still has a function. Unfortunately I don't have an answer about why it malfunctions and needs removing.

It is speculated it might have a function but never proven. It fills with waste and rots and that's why it needs to be removed.

More widely accepted it that it used to contain enzymes that broke down the high fiber diets our ancestors ate.

I was taught that the appendix has become useless and atrophied over time because it's function was to aid in the digestion of raw meat. Since humans started cooking their food the body has evolved over time. It sometimes gets inflammed and needs to be removed because of the reason above. It fills with fecal matter and because it does not have the same peristalsis function as the rest of the colon it can not move the fecal matter the way the rest of the colon.

That's the first time I've heard that one. Can you provide a source?

EDIT: Nevermind, found one. But just like the fiber digestion, nobody can prove it.

If you don't want to do it, that's fine. But is it really necessary to attack those who choose the lifestyle for themselves and are having success with it?

I haven't been in this conversation, but if someone is promoting a quack fad diet with no scientific backing and pretending that it is scientific then they should be called out where they are promoting it. The debate isn't to convince the people who believe the quacks, as they are usually too far gone down the anti-scientific path. The debate is to convince the people who might listen to the unsafe information given, such as a diet consisting of 70% fat.

High fat, moderate protein, and low carb is in no form, shape or fashion a fad. It is a true lifestyle change.

I believe even if having some excess weight still on me that my blood work would match up better than most people on this site with little or no weight to lose.

mrphil86

Eskimos eat about 80% FAT daily and they are some of the healthiest people on this earth. They don't have the heart disease, Diabetes or other ailments that burden us Americans...............

They also have the largest brains.

I guess by saying "eskimo" what you really mean is Inuit. (You should know that "eskimo" is a rude term, by the way). From the link posted by a member:

Inuit Greenlanders ....... have the worst longevity statistics in North America. Research from the past and present shows that they die on the average about 10 years younger and have a higher rate of cancer than the overall Canadian population.

Source:
1. Iburg KM, Bronnum-Hansen H, Bjerregaard P. Health expectancy in Greenland. Scand J Public Health 2001;29(1):5-12. Choinere R. Mortality among the Baffin Inuit in the mid-80s. Arctive Med Res 1992;51 (2):87-93.

I am talking about the Eskimos that live in Southwest Alaska. They eat 80% whale and seal blubber.

Ok, where do you get this from? Reference please. An do you have any health statistics for the same people? Or are you just making this up?

You best believe that anything I type and put out here has been thoroughly read and researched by me and others. I get a lot of information from my doctors. One being a Naturopathic Dr and the other one a Metabolic Endocrinologist who focuses on Natural treatments. They know where my passions lies and give me plenty to read and research.

For your reading pleasure:

Seriously, everyone needs a fat brain. In a world where "skinny" is good, if you want a healthy happy brain, you need a fat brain. Get this:

Did you know that 60% of your brain is made of fat?

No kidding. It's a scientific fact. Look it up if you don't believe me. Most of those fats are polyunsaturated fat, so, sorry, but eating Twinkies isn't going to help your brain.

Instead these fats are omega-3 fatty acids, and form the cell membranes that cover neurons and other cell organs. These fats are also the main ingredient in your synapses and dendrites, which are the connections between your neurons. In short, these fats form the parts of your brain that allow you to think. Huh, imagine that!

So What Kind of Fat Does Your Brain Need?

Omega-3 fatty acids are what your brain needs to function. Specifically, the brain needs two kinds of omega-3 fatty acids: EPA and DHA. There's been a lot of news lately about DHA, and that is because studies show that a low intake of DHA fats can lead to depression and other brain impairments, while increasing intake of DHA relieves these problems.

Why Are Omega-3 Fatty Acids Hard to Get?

Unfortunately, because of food processing methods and industrial methods of raising livestock, most of the omega-3 fatty acids have been removed from the foods we eat. I'm not just referring to Twinkies here, but basically any packaged food and meats that are not organic.

So unless you are eating food out of your own garden and raising your own livestock, you may need to supplement your body's natural supply of omega-3 fatty acids... that is, if you want to have a fat brain. In fact, your brain needs to be really fat to function well.

Here's another interesting fat fact: fat makes up 25% of a healthy brain's total brain. That's pretty fat!

Healthy Sources of Omega-3 Fatty Acids

If you want to supplement your body's omega-3 fatty acids, look to the ocean and think Eskimos. As a population Eskimos have been shown to have some of the highest levels of omega-3 fatty acids. Why? Because they eat a lot of coldwater fish like cod, mackerel and salmon. These cold-water fish are high in omega-3 fatty acids because they, in turn, eat a lot of blue-green algae.

So to increase your levels of omega-3 fatty acids, you can eat fish, take fish oil supplements, or go straight to the source and eat blue-green algae. In fact, going to the source may be best because many fish suffer from environmental contamination, and many fish oil supplements degrade by the time they reach your local health food store's shelves. The University of California at Berkeley Wellness Letter strongly recommends eating AFA blue-green algae as an alternative to fish oil supplements.

Personally, although I quite like to cook and eat fish, especially salmon, I find that taking blue-green algae capsules to be a convenient daily supplement to ensure that my brain's getting enough fat.

I've never wanted to be fat in my life, but these days, I'm thinking being fat in certain parts of my body is a good thing.

I'm going for a fat brain... what about you?

++++++++++++++++

Alan Joel is a Doctor of Chinese Medicine and nutritional counselor. He is also an independent distributor of Simplexity Health, producer of all-natural AFA blue-green algae products for people, pets, and plants.

I take fish oil pills all the time.

Where does it say I should eat 70% fat?

mrphil86

High fat, moderate protein, and low carb is in no form, shape or fashion a fad. It is a true lifestyle change.

I believe even if having some excess weight still on me that my blood work would match up better than most people on this site with little or no weight to lose.

I'll take you up on that offer. I'll get some blood work done, scan, and show the blood work results. I'm talking about a full panel blood test.

Grokette

High fat, moderate protein, and low carb is in no form, shape or fashion a fad. It is a true lifestyle change.

I believe even if having some excess weight still on me that my blood work would match up better than most people on this site with little or no weight to lose.

I'll take you up on that offer. I'll get some blood work done, scan, and show the blood work results. I'm talking about a full panel blood test.

Ok, I will do. I will not have active Health insurance until May 1, but I am do for my physical so going to the Doctor as it is scheduled to do on May 9th.

mrphil86

Ok, I will do. I will not have active Health insurance until May 1, but I am do for my physical so going to the Doctor as it is scheduled to do on May 9th.

Well I'll be on vacation then, so when I get back I'll post the results.

Kjarlune

To the OP -
I don't completely adhere to a Paleo diet, but I follow the more relaxed Primal Blueprint version, which allows for an 80/20 split (80% adherence, 20% off-diet stuff such as dairy, processed meats and other modern, low-carb goodies). My ratios are about 10% carbs, 40% protein, and 50% fat (which usually vary by about 5% up or down). At 1600 calories a day, that's around 40g of carbs, but I do increase it proportionally when I've worked out so I can replenish the glycogen in my muscles. I don't have any brain fog problems (I actually can't - I teach and that would be disastrous) nor do I have problems losing muscle mass. I may be overweight, but I actually carry a significant amount of muscle for a female (my body fat % is around 30%, which puts me at about 150 pounds of lean mass on my 5'7" frame). So far I've lost 17 pounds, maintained that through multiple health problems, and have now started to lose fat again.
I've learned through my own research that you can't really trust anyone else's opinions when it comes down to your own health. I sat in the exact same spot as you for at least a year, debating whether I should do this or not.... Eventually I just made the time to read the information and decide for myself. If I had to choose one book that I really think you should start with, it's Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes. It's an easy read, information dense but not incomprehensible. It is heavily referenced and provides a perfect starting point for whatever eating plan you decide to go for, even if it its moderate carbs instead of paleo/primal. I've read a bunch of others, and it's not where I started, but it's what I recommend now.
If you have any more questions, feel free to message me. I don't mind talking it out in a non-judgemental kind of way, but I don't like my lifestyle being attacked by people who don't understand it so I rarely participate in this kind of topic any more other than one post.

BUMP!

We all have to learn to do this our way....The diet weight loss industry does not want us healthy...Healthy and not overweight means no more money...When you want to teach someone so they understand but can't take over keep some information to yourself....sadly. Everything needs to be moderation. I believe the key is learning what we need for what... Carbs for working out? etc etc...We store fat and it makes sense that adding fat to our diets will allow our bodies to release the stored fat. Extreme anything can be unhealthy can't it?

DrBorkBork

Ok yes, but you just said it goes to protein after carbs. Therefor it's pulling protein from your muscles. So I'm still not understanding why it does not effect muscle mass.

I refuse to try something when the cold hard facts say that the paleo diet is bad for you.

EDIT: I do remember one point in my life where I was taking in more proteins and low carbs. This was not a diet just my situation in the military made me do it. I had to eat RAW meat like frogs and crap. Trust me, it did not work out. I felt like garbage after.

So the results I've provided you aren't reliable medical facts, huh? Sad, dude. What about the thousands of others who are getting similar or same results? Doesn't that make up FACT.

If you're getting enough protein, your body will not go after muscle. I just did a week long meat only experiment, and gained muscle.

As for eating raw meat... I'd feel pretty crappy too. Talk to me after you've enjoyed bacon wrapped filet mignon, mmkay?

monkeybelle83

Ok yes, but you just said it goes to protein after carbs. Therefor it's pulling protein from your muscles. So I'm still not understanding why it does not effect muscle mass.

I refuse to try something when the cold hard facts say that the paleo diet is bad for you.

EDIT: I do remember one point in my life where I was taking in more proteins and low carbs. This was not a diet just my situation in the military made me do it. I had to eat RAW meat like frogs and crap. Trust me, it did not work out. I felt like garbage after.

So the results I've provided you aren't reliable medical facts, huh? Sad, dude. What about the thousands of others who are getting similar or same results? Doesn't that make up FACT.

If you're getting enough protein, your body will not go after muscle. I just did a week long meat only experiment, and gained muscle.

As for eating raw meat... I'd feel pretty crappy too. Talk to me after you've enjoyed bacon wrapped filet mignon, mmkay?

*sigh* I miss being able to eat pork. Turkey bacon just isn't the same.

PJilly

High fat, moderate protein, and low carb is in no form, shape or fashion a fad. It is a true lifestyle change.

I believe even if having some excess weight still on me that my blood work would match up better than most people on this site with little or no weight to lose.

I'll take you up on that offer. I'll get some blood work done, scan, and show the blood work results. I'm talking about a full panel blood test.

I think this could be interesting stuff to share, although I don't know that we could draw too many conclusions from such a small sampling. (For example, I don't make much of an attempt to limit my sodium intake, yet my blood pressure is quite low. I don't think we could conclude that my low BP is a direct result of the way I eat.) That said, I've had blood work done fairly recently, and I'd be willing to participate in this info sharing.

Kjarlune

It is so hard because all of you make some compelling remarks. I have been on a cleanse for a week now and am on low carb, higher protein and higher fat. I was without realizing that this is what I have been doing. I have read so many things that it is hard to see which is the right one. Everyone can make their points make sense.


MrPhil: This is an honest question, not sarcasm...How long have you been fit and living the lifestyle that you live? Do you believe your diet or eating lifestyle is something that would work for someone with alot of weight to loose? Did you loose alot of weight?


I am not judging anyone and have come to the belief that this is trial and error...I am merely saying that fit healthy people will know more about being fit and healthy then ones that are not...Tosca Reno for example...Just saying easier to understand her she is healthy....

I for one am looking at doing the p90x eating plan....people reach success and it makes sense.. I also can see how natural fat is good for the body.....

The person who created the Paelo diet??? What kind of shape are they in? Just curious...I feel like I have to be so careful so no one thinks I am jumping... *grin* It is a serious question...

Kjarlune

I looked up the Paleo creator and he is old and extremely fit...that says something...

Grokette

High fat, moderate protein, and low carb is in no form, shape or fashion a fad. It is a true lifestyle change.

I believe even if having some excess weight still on me that my blood work would match up better than most people on this site with little or no weight to lose.

I'll take you up on that offer. I'll get some blood work done, scan, and show the blood work results. I'm talking about a full panel blood test.

I think this could be interesting stuff to share, although I don't know that we could draw too many conclusions from such a small sampling. (For example, I don't make much of an attempt to limit my sodium intake, yet my blood pressure is quite low. I don't think we could conclude that my low BP is a direct result of the way I eat.) That said, I've had blood work done fairly recently, and I'd be willing to participate in this info sharing.

You are correct about being able to draw conclusions from a small sampling..............but it could prove that each one of us is healthy doing what works for each one of us as being bio-individually different.........

I am actually having to try and raise my sodium intake. Some days I don't even get to 800mg of sodium intake and charlie horses and severe legs cramps are telling me that tale...........

My blood pressure is what the medical professionals call perfect........... Usually runs about 117 / 76

cjbnc

I looked up the Paleo creator and he is old and extremely fit...that says something...

On person in my state won the lottery after buying tickets every day for a year. That says something too - and just about as much. :-)

Individual results do not prove a trend. Every diet commercial on TV knows you want to believe otherwise, that's why they all tell you one person lost 75lbs on their program and hide the subtitle declaring "results are not typical".

PJilly

You are correct about being able to draw conclusions from a small sampling..............but it could prove that each one of us is healthy doing what works for each one of us as being bio-individually different.........

I am actually having to try and raise my sodium intake. Some days I don't even get to 800mg of sodium intake and charlie horses and severe legs cramps are telling me that tale...........

My blood pressure is what the medical professionals call perfect........... Usually runs about 117 / 76

I don't track my sodium, but I use salt as liberally as I want, so I'm certain mine's quite a bite higher than 800mg. My BP runs about 85/55.

mrphil86

It is so hard because all of you make some compelling remarks. I have been on a cleanse for a week now and am on low carb, higher protein and higher fat. I was without realizing that this is what I have been doing. I have read so many things that it is hard to see which is the right one. Everyone can make their points make sense.


MrPhil: This is an honest question, not sarcasm...How long have you been fit and living the lifestyle that you live? Do you believe your diet or eating lifestyle is something that would work for someone with alot of weight to loose? Did you loose alot of weight?


I am not judging anyone and have come to the belief that this is trial and error...I am merely saying that fit healthy people will know more about being fit and healthy then ones that are not...Tosca Reno for example...Just saying easier to understand her she is healthy....

I for one am looking at doing the p90x eating plan....people reach success and it makes sense.. I also can see how natural fat is good for the body.....

The person who created the Paelo diet??? What kind of shape are they in? Just curious...I feel like I have to be so careful so no one thinks I am jumping... *grin* It is a serious question...

I believe yes, it works. Time and time again, proper diet and exercise is key. Diet based off the food pyramid have ALWAYS worked.

You said P90X.... Look at Tony Horton. He's about 54 years old and yet he has the body of a fit 20 year old.

His nutrition plan is nothing like the paleo diet.

I have never had anything wrong with me. I'm rarely sick and my family has history of just about everything.

monkeybelle83

You are correct about being able to draw conclusions from a small sampling..............but it could prove that each one of us is healthy doing what works for each one of us as being bio-individually different.........

I am actually having to try and raise my sodium intake. Some days I don't even get to 800mg of sodium intake and charlie horses and severe legs cramps are telling me that tale...........

My blood pressure is what the medical professionals call perfect........... Usually runs about 117 / 76

I don't track my sodium, but I use salt as liberally as I want, so I'm certain mine's quite a bite higher than 800mg. My BP runs about 85/55.

I'm like that also. Even before I started dieting, I had A LOT of sodium and my BP is always in the perfect range, even when it should be high (stress)

Kjarlune

I looked up the Paleo creator and he is old and extremely fit...that says something...

On person in my state won the lottery after buying tickets every day for a year. That says something too - and just about as much. :-)

Individual results do not prove a trend. Every diet commercial on TV knows you want to believe otherwise, that's why they all tell you one person lost 75lbs on their program and hide the subtitle declaring "results are not typical".

Actually it says determination wins...So does belief..Look at the odds he won more than he spent....As far as results not typical true..I do not by any means claim that if they are fit that means they know all. I am saying I would pay closer attention to someone who has managed to maintain a fit lifestyle before someone who has managed a overweight lifestyle...

Kind of like you don't go to a divorced marriage councilor... You don't ask a homeless person how to make money, and you don't follow a diet created by a fat person....lol..Originally fat that I can see... If someone is healthy they have figured out a way that works for them so it might work for someone else..

monkeybelle83

It is so hard because all of you make some compelling remarks. I have been on a cleanse for a week now and am on low carb, higher protein and higher fat. I was without realizing that this is what I have been doing. I have read so many things that it is hard to see which is the right one. Everyone can make their points make sense.


MrPhil: This is an honest question, not sarcasm...How long have you been fit and living the lifestyle that you live? Do you believe your diet or eating lifestyle is something that would work for someone with alot of weight to loose? Did you loose alot of weight?


I am not judging anyone and have come to the belief that this is trial and error...I am merely saying that fit healthy people will know more about being fit and healthy then ones that are not...Tosca Reno for example...Just saying easier to understand her she is healthy....

I for one am looking at doing the p90x eating plan....people reach success and it makes sense.. I also can see how natural fat is good for the body.....

The person who created the Paelo diet??? What kind of shape are they in? Just curious...I feel like I have to be so careful so no one thinks I am jumping... *grin* It is a serious question...

I believe yes, it works. Time and time again, proper diet and exercise is key. Diet based off the food pyramid have ALWAYS worked.

You said P90X.... Look at Tony Horton. He's about 54 years old and yet he has the body of a fit 20 year old.

His nutrition plan is nothing like the paleo diet.

So, does that mean that people who don't eat based off the food pyramid are doomed to fail? What about those of us who are allergic to milk, and/or sensitive to gluten? If it works for some people, then it works for them. Every person is different with different needs. It doesn't have to work for YOU, you're not doing it. If it works for them, FANTASTIC. Celebrate the success they're having instead of acting like the troll that lives under the bridge.

Kjarlune

It is so hard because all of you make some compelling remarks. I have been on a cleanse for a week now and am on low carb, higher protein and higher fat. I was without realizing that this is what I have been doing. I have read so many things that it is hard to see which is the right one. Everyone can make their points make sense.


MrPhil: This is an honest question, not sarcasm...How long have you been fit and living the lifestyle that you live? Do you believe your diet or eating lifestyle is something that would work for someone with alot of weight to loose? Did you loose alot of weight?


I am not judging anyone and have come to the belief that this is trial and error...I am merely saying that fit healthy people will know more about being fit and healthy then ones that are not...Tosca Reno for example...Just saying easier to understand her she is healthy....

I for one am looking at doing the p90x eating plan....people reach success and it makes sense.. I also can see how natural fat is good for the body.....

The person who created the Paelo diet??? What kind of shape are they in? Just curious...I feel like I have to be so careful so no one thinks I am jumping... *grin* It is a serious question...

I believe yes, it works. Time and time again, proper diet and exercise is key. Diet based off the food pyramid have ALWAYS worked.

You said P90X.... Look at Tony Horton. He's about 54 years old and yet he has the body of a fit 20 year old.

His nutrition plan is nothing like the paleo diet.

So, does that mean that people who don't eat based off the food pyramid are doomed to fail? What about those of us who are allergic to milk, and/or sensitive to gluten? If it works for some people, then it works for them. Every person is different with different needs. It doesn't have to work for YOU, you're not doing it. If it works for them, FANTASTIC. Celebrate the success they're having instead of acting like the troll that lives under the bridge.

I don't think that was what was meant at all...I have looked at the p90x menu plan and eating plan and it shows very little dairy as an example...

Thanks for the response about p90x that is a valid point

monkeybelle83

It is so hard because all of you make some compelling remarks. I have been on a cleanse for a week now and am on low carb, higher protein and higher fat. I was without realizing that this is what I have been doing. I have read so many things that it is hard to see which is the right one. Everyone can make their points make sense.


MrPhil: This is an honest question, not sarcasm...How long have you been fit and living the lifestyle that you live? Do you believe your diet or eating lifestyle is something that would work for someone with alot of weight to loose? Did you loose alot of weight?


I am not judging anyone and have come to the belief that this is trial and error...I am merely saying that fit healthy people will know more about being fit and healthy then ones that are not...Tosca Reno for example...Just saying easier to understand her she is healthy....

I for one am looking at doing the p90x eating plan....people reach success and it makes sense.. I also can see how natural fat is good for the body.....

The person who created the Paelo diet??? What kind of shape are they in? Just curious...I feel like I have to be so careful so no one thinks I am jumping... *grin* It is a serious question...

I believe yes, it works. Time and time again, proper diet and exercise is key. Diet based off the food pyramid have ALWAYS worked.

You said P90X.... Look at Tony Horton. He's about 54 years old and yet he has the body of a fit 20 year old.

His nutrition plan is nothing like the paleo diet.

So, does that mean that people who don't eat based off the food pyramid are doomed to fail? What about those of us who are allergic to milk, and/or sensitive to gluten? If it works for some people, then it works for them. Every person is different with different needs. It doesn't have to work for YOU, you're not doing it. If it works for them, FANTASTIC. Celebrate the success they're having instead of acting like the troll that lives under the bridge.

I don't think that was what was meant at all...I have looked at the p90x menu plan and eating plan and it shows very little dairy as an example...

Thanks for the response about p90x that is a valid point

I wasn't talking about the p90x, I was referring to the obsession with the food pyramid, and the rest of his posts throughout the thread. It bothers me to see someone so negative about something he's never experienced. And for the record, I am NOT on the Paleo Diet, or any specific diet.

dls06

Eskimos eat about 80% FAT daily and they are some of the healthiest people on this earth. They don't have the heart disease, Diabetes or other ailments that burden us Americans...............

They also have the largest brains.

I guess by saying "eskimo" what you really mean is Inuit. (You should know that "eskimo" is a rude term, by the way). From the link posted by a member:

Inuit Greenlanders ....... have the worst longevity statistics in North America. Research from the past and present shows that they die on the average about 10 years younger and have a higher rate of cancer than the overall Canadian population.

Source:
1. Iburg KM, Bronnum-Hansen H, Bjerregaard P. Health expectancy in Greenland. Scand J Public Health 2001;29(1):5-12. Choinere R. Mortality among the Baffin Inuit in the mid-80s. Arctive Med Res 1992;51 (2):87-93.

I am talking about the Eskimos that live in Southwest Alaska. They eat 80% whale and seal blubber.

Ok, where do you get this from? Reference please. An do you have any health statistics for the same people? Or are you just making this up?

You best believe that anything I type and put out here has been thoroughly read and researched by me and others. I get a lot of information from my doctors. One being a Naturopathic Dr and the other one a Metabolic Endocrinologist who focuses on Natural treatments. They know where my passions lies and give me plenty to read and research.

For your reading pleasure:

Seriously, everyone needs a fat brain. In a world where "skinny" is good, if you want a healthy happy brain, you need a fat brain. Get this:

Did you know that 60% of your brain is made of fat?

No kidding. It's a scientific fact. Look it up if you don't believe me. Most of those fats are polyunsaturated fat, so, sorry, but eating Twinkies isn't going to help your brain.

Instead these fats are omega-3 fatty acids, and form the cell membranes that cover neurons and other cell organs. These fats are also the main ingredient in your synapses and dendrites, which are the connections between your neurons. In short, these fats form the parts of your brain that allow you to think. Huh, imagine that!

So What Kind of Fat Does Your Brain Need?

Omega-3 fatty acids are what your brain needs to function. Specifically, the brain needs two kinds of omega-3 fatty acids: EPA and DHA. There's been a lot of news lately about DHA, and that is because studies show that a low intake of DHA fats can lead to depression and other brain impairments, while increasing intake of DHA relieves these problems.

Why Are Omega-3 Fatty Acids Hard to Get?

Unfortunately, because of food processing methods and industrial methods of raising livestock, most of the omega-3 fatty acids have been removed from the foods we eat. I'm not just referring to Twinkies here, but basically any packaged food and meats that are not organic.

So unless you are eating food out of your own garden and raising your own livestock, you may need to supplement your body's natural supply of omega-3 fatty acids... that is, if you want to have a fat brain. In fact, your brain needs to be really fat to function well.

Here's another interesting fat fact: fat makes up 25% of a healthy brain's total brain. That's pretty fat!

Healthy Sources of Omega-3 Fatty Acids

If you want to supplement your body's omega-3 fatty acids, look to the ocean and think Eskimos. As a population Eskimos have been shown to have some of the highest levels of omega-3 fatty acids. Why? Because they eat a lot of coldwater fish like cod, mackerel and salmon. These cold-water fish are high in omega-3 fatty acids because they, in turn, eat a lot of blue-green algae.

So to increase your levels of omega-3 fatty acids, you can eat fish, take fish oil supplements, or go straight to the source and eat blue-green algae. In fact, going to the source may be best because many fish suffer from environmental contamination, and many fish oil supplements degrade by the time they reach your local health food store's shelves. The University of California at Berkeley Wellness Letter strongly recommends eating AFA blue-green algae as an alternative to fish oil supplements.

Personally, although I quite like to cook and eat fish, especially salmon, I find that taking blue-green algae capsules to be a convenient daily supplement to ensure that my brain's getting enough fat.

I've never wanted to be fat in my life, but these days, I'm thinking being fat in certain parts of my body is a good thing.

I'm going for a fat brain... what about you?

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Alan Joel is a Doctor of Chinese Medicine and nutritional counselor. He is also an independent distributor of Simplexity Health, producer of all-natural AFA blue-green algae products for people, pets, and plants.

Do you see the guy is trying to sell you something? I think the statement is an online commercial for what he is trying to sell.

mrphil86

I wasn't talking about the p90x, I was referring to the obsession with the food pyramid, and the rest of his posts throughout the thread. It bothers me to see someone so negative about something he's never experienced. And for the record, I am NOT on the Paleo Diet, or any specific diet.

I have seen people on the paleo diet. I always see them dragging around. Sure, they have a burst of energy when they workout but after, I see them just slouching around.

And where do you get off saying I am obsessed with the food pyramid? If someone puts cold hard facts in front of me then I'll believe it. Until then, I still think it's just another unhealthy fad diet. So I should celebrate someone who eats about 300 calories a day as well? Then just shrug my shoulders when that person is trying to tell other people to do that?

Here is my thing, there are a ton of ways to count calories. MFP is not the only thing out there that does this. But if you don't even want to follow the numbers, why bother even being here?

dls06

Another thing I believe is. Because of the genetic changes made to wheat during the industrial revolution and processing of many foods, our body does not know what to do with carbohydrates. According to "the Gluten Connection" Whole grains were genetically changed to make it grow faster in order to feed the world. Even whole wheat available today is not natural, it was altered. Our body does not know what to do with it. The same as it does not know what to do with other processed foods. That is why we have so many digestive disorders.

It doesn't mean we don't need it, it means we screwed that up too!

DrBorkBork

*sigh* I miss being able to eat pork. Turkey bacon just isn't the same.

So eat piggy! Nothing wrong with a couple strips of happy, chemical-free bacon
Everything in moderation, right?

lodro

As far as I can tell, the diet is supposed to mimic what we ate before the agriculture industry.Milk and eggs weren't consumed, neither was grain. I am not sure about the percentages.

They ate TONS of grains. Here just one off the top of my head:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tollund_Man

tollund man is not from the paleolithicum: lived around 400 BCE. He's from the iron age. Neither did he eat "tons" of grains. Barley, yes, but also other seeds and chamomile (!) were found in his stomach. Also, his last meal may not have been representative of general eating patterns, because it may have had a ritualistic purpose. (for instance, no meat was found in his intestines and he had been fasting for 24 hours)