"Paleo diet" - 70% fat???
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From the studying I have done, low fat can be useful in limited circumstances and high fat can be useful in limited circumstances. What works for most people is a balanced diet of fat, carbs, and protein (and maybe a little alcohol). Mostly vegetables, some fruit, some fungus, some meat if you like, and some treats.
From a personal standpoint, a balanced approach works for me and is a lifestyle I can stick with for the rest of my life. I've lost 32 pounds in 90 days following this approach.
What's a good balance (for carbs/protein/fat) ? I found that I've been following 45% carbs, 20% protein, 35% fat. But I might want to shake things up a bit.
You will probably have to experiment as there are many options, but if you want to build muscle you will probably want to up your protein a bit. You might want to start at 40:40:20 or 40:30:30 and make changes from there. Hopefully you can find something that both your body and mind likes.
I find that my personal taste preference for food ends up being too low on fat so I supplement with avocado, nuts, and cheese.0 -
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the fat comes from healthy, natural sources (animal, avocado, coconut, etc). Low carb/high fat works just as well as Low fat/high carb.
I'm a Primal Blueprinter/paleo gal. Feel free to ask questions
Thank you!! What nutrition percentages do you use for yourself? Do you have to actually cut out any food group (or severely limit) it?
Yes I do Atkins (ooooo, my kidneys will esplode!) and my percentages are 70% fat; 20% protein and 5% carbohydrates. I do not cut out any food groups except junk...I do not eat any processed (think comes from a box or bag) or can't be found naturally in nature. I do not eat any sucrose or foods that mimic sucrose in nature. I do not eat any grains that are processed to death. I eat flax almost every day. I have found lovely substitutes for breads and pastas that satisfy me. I was borderline diabetic, hypertensive and had borderline high cholesterol. Last time I had lab work all my numbers were in the optimal ranges. I am convinced that this is the healthiest way to eat. I am no longer starving or fighting cravings. I eat to hunger and I am able to pass by the dessert table without a cold sweat. I do not feel deprived or unhealthy.0 -
I have edited/removed some posts from this discussion due to negativity or insulting language. Please remember to keep the discussion on topic and respectful. You can disagree with the message or opinion - you CANNOT attack, insult or discuss the person.
Thank you! We are having a great discussion going, and I really appreciate the edits you did. :flowerforyou:0 -
the fat comes from healthy, natural sources (animal, avocado, coconut, etc). Low carb/high fat works just as well as Low fat/high carb.
I'm a Primal Blueprinter/paleo gal. Feel free to ask questions
Thank you!! What nutrition percentages do you use for yourself? Do you have to actually cut out any food group (or severely limit) it?
Yes I do Atkins (ooooo, my kidneys will esplode!) and my percentages are 70% fat; 20% protein and 5% carbohydrates. I do not cut out any food groups except junk...I do not eat any processed (think comes from a box or bag) or can't be found naturally in nature. I do not eat any sucrose or foods that mimic sucrose in nature. I do not eat any grains that are processed to death. I eat flax almost every day. I have found lovely substitutes for breads and pastas that satisfy me. I was borderline diabetic, hypertensive and had borderline high cholesterol. Last time I had lab work all my numbers were in the optimal ranges. I am convinced that this is the healthiest way to eat. I am no longer starving or fighting cravings. I eat to hunger and I am able to pass by the dessert table without a cold sweat. I do not feel deprived or unhealthy.
Do you eat things like cheese? That's not found in nature, but is it really "processed" ? What about yogurt? I eat flax everyday, but it's in my oatmeal, which would be a no-go according to Paleo. What bread substitutes have you found?? I NEED to know! I've switched to carrot pasta a while ago, but can't seem to find a substitute for bread/oatmeal. Thank you! 0 -
...........I have found lovely substitutes for breads and pastas that satisfy me. .................
I'd love to hear about your lovely substitutes! I'm not planning to drop bread or pasta in a hurry, but would like to have some alternatives.0 -
the fat comes from healthy, natural sources (animal, avocado, coconut, etc). Low carb/high fat works just as well as Low fat/high carb.
I'm a Primal Blueprinter/paleo gal. Feel free to ask questions
Thank you!! What nutrition percentages do you use for yourself? Do you have to actually cut out any food group (or severely limit) it?
Yes I do Atkins (ooooo, my kidneys will esplode!) and my percentages are 70% fat; 20% protein and 5% carbohydrates. I do not cut out any food groups except junk...I do not eat any processed (think comes from a box or bag) or can't be found naturally in nature. I do not eat any sucrose or foods that mimic sucrose in nature. I do not eat any grains that are processed to death. I eat flax almost every day. I have found lovely substitutes for breads and pastas that satisfy me. I was borderline diabetic, hypertensive and had borderline high cholesterol. Last time I had lab work all my numbers were in the optimal ranges. I am convinced that this is the healthiest way to eat. I am no longer starving or fighting cravings. I eat to hunger and I am able to pass by the dessert table without a cold sweat. I do not feel deprived or unhealthy.
Do you eat things like cheese? That's not found in nature, but is it really "processed" ? What about yogurt? I eat flax everyday, but it's in my oatmeal, which would be a no-go according to Paleo. What bread substitutes have you found?? I NEED to know! I've switched to carrot pasta a while ago, but can't seem to find a substitute for bread/oatmeal. Thank you!
Oopsie Rolls! (I cant stop talking about them....and stop eating them). You can find the recipe if you google0 -
Yeah, I'm a low protein diet really sounds like a terrible diet. I'm not even sure how you would accomplish that. If you eat fats to make up the deficit you would most likely eat protein with it. I guess you could just eat whale blubber. Higher carbs are you are sure to contract diabetes.
I don't see anything wrong with a higher fat consumption to a point. Anything higher than 50% doesn't make sense.
I keep my fat intake higher (between the 65-70%) because I like to practice Intermittent Fasting. The extra fat allows me to have NO hunger during my fasting periods and it is actually helping me lose fat a lot faster.
The pounds are going down slowly, but my body is changing. My husband has told me 3 times with in the last couple of weeks that he can specifically feel my butt shrinking when he is cuddling with me. He also says that he can see me shrinking all over too and he is usually the last to notice. LOL
I can tell just by the way my clothes are fitting. This is the first time in years that I have really gotten serious about my health again and something clicked with me about 4 months ago and this feels natural to eat this way.
Sometimes my numbers fluctuate because I give my body what it needs and what it asks for. I will be eating cucumber and tomato with some red onion chopped up in it with balsamic vinegar. This will make my carbs go a bit higher, but I am craving the cucumber and tomato so I will feed my body these foods.
My protein and fat today are coming from a pork butt roast that I had cooked in the crock pot yesterday with cumin, garlic, onion, cayenne pepper and about a teaspoon of sea salt.
I eat no more processed foods. I had greek yogurt that I ended up feeding to my dogs. I keep cheese for my husband, he likes the Atkins lifestyle and is in Phase 3 so he eats potatos and bread sometimes...........However, it is home baked bread.
I bought some from Trader Joe's and it went to waste because I didn't like it and neither did my husband.0 -
Yes I do Atkins (ooooo, my kidneys will esplode!) and my percentages are 70% fat; 20% protein and 5% carbohydrates. I do not cut out any food groups except junk...I do not eat any processed (think comes from a box or bag) or can't be found naturally in nature. I do not eat any sucrose or foods that mimic sucrose in nature. I do not eat any grains that are processed to death. I eat flax almost every day. I have found lovely substitutes for breads and pastas that satisfy me. I was borderline diabetic, hypertensive and had borderline high cholesterol. Last time I had lab work all my numbers were in the optimal ranges. I am convinced that this is the healthiest way to eat. I am no longer starving or fighting cravings. I eat to hunger and I am able to pass by the dessert table without a cold sweat. I do not feel deprived or unhealthy.the fat comes from healthy, natural sources (animal, avocado, coconut, etc). Low carb/high fat works just as well as Low fat/high carb.
I'm a Primal Blueprinter/paleo gal. Feel free to ask questions
Thank you!! What nutrition percentages do you use for yourself? Do you have to actually cut out any food group (or severely limit) it?
Do you eat things like cheese? That's not found in nature, but is it really "processed" ? What about yogurt? I eat flax everyday, but it's in my oatmeal, which would be a no-go according to Paleo. What bread substitutes have you found?? I NEED to know! I've switched to carrot pasta a while ago, but can't seem to find a substitute for bread/oatmeal. Thank you!
You are right. I do eat cheese. I try to eat really aged cheeses or really fresh cheeses! I lived for five years in a country where the people group (Kazakhs) were nomads who ate mostly fermented milk products, meats and animal fats. I learned to love eating good quality cheeses and yogurts. Yummmmm. Other then the dairy which I have not found to stall my weight loss I am a clean eater. I have found many ways to use cheese and eggs to make bread substitutes. My favorite recipe right now is "Deep Dish Quiche Pizza". It tastes like a pan pizza! Yummmmo. I also have made the Oopsie rolls. I substitute french cut green beans for pasta most times but have used spagetti squash, zucchini ribbons and other veggies to get the sauces I love in to my body! (which is the only reason I need a pasta substitute.)0 -
1g Protein/lb Body weight
50-70g fat
fill calorie gap with carbs.
can't go wrong.0 -
Yes I do Atkins (ooooo, my kidneys will esplode!) and my percentages are 70% fat; 20% protein and 5% carbohydrates. I do not cut out any food groups except junk...I do not eat any processed (think comes from a box or bag) or can't be found naturally in nature. I do not eat any sucrose or foods that mimic sucrose in nature. I do not eat any grains that are processed to death. I eat flax almost every day. I have found lovely substitutes for breads and pastas that satisfy me. I was borderline diabetic, hypertensive and had borderline high cholesterol. Last time I had lab work all my numbers were in the optimal ranges. I am convinced that this is the healthiest way to eat. I am no longer starving or fighting cravings. I eat to hunger and I am able to pass by the dessert table without a cold sweat. I do not feel deprived or unhealthy.the fat comes from healthy, natural sources (animal, avocado, coconut, etc). Low carb/high fat works just as well as Low fat/high carb.
I'm a Primal Blueprinter/paleo gal. Feel free to ask questions
Thank you!! What nutrition percentages do you use for yourself? Do you have to actually cut out any food group (or severely limit) it?
Do you eat things like cheese? That's not found in nature, but is it really "processed" ? What about yogurt? I eat flax everyday, but it's in my oatmeal, which would be a no-go according to Paleo. What bread substitutes have you found?? I NEED to know! I've switched to carrot pasta a while ago, but can't seem to find a substitute for bread/oatmeal. Thank you!
You are right. I do eat cheese. I try to eat really aged cheeses or really fresh cheeses! I lived for five years in a country where the people group (Kazakhs) were nomads who ate mostly fermented milk products, meats and animal fats. I learned to love eating good quality cheeses and yogurts. Yummmmm. Other then the dairy which I have not found to stall my weight loss I am a clean eater. I have found many ways to use cheese and eggs to make bread substitutes. My favorite recipe right now is "Deep Dish Quiche Pizza". It tastes like a pan pizza! Yummmmo. I also have made the Oopsie rolls. I substitute french cut green beans for pasta most times but have used spagetti squash, zucchini ribbons and other veggies to get the sauces I love in to my body! (which is the only reason I need a pasta substitute.)
Once I get my weight down to the point I want it to be at, I am going to add back in some RAW Dairy that I was eating before. Dairy that has not been pasteurized or homogenized. Straight from the farm.
Raw Cheddar cheese or raw butter made from raw milk is awesome!!!0 -
Paleo isn't about 70% fat - it's about consuming what our ancestors did - meat, veggies, fruits and nuts.
I firmly believe this is how we should be eating and it took me years to realize that this should be common sense but we're all sort of brainwashed to believe we should be stuffing our faces with processed whole grains and avoiding things like saturated fats. Our ancestors evolved eating this way before farming came around and they did just fine - it's just a shame it took me years to finally accept it. When I did, I lost significant weight, my energy increased, my skin cleared up, and even my cholesterol levels dropped. All this while eating much more food than I normally would have, a huge chunk of that food being fat. By fat, I don't mean refined fats either. I'm talking, pure unadulterated, unprocessed fat found naturally in foods like eggs and meat.
There's quite a bit more research supporting this method of eating than we're led to believe. Here are some sources:
Marks Daily Apple - Definitive Guides to things like Grains, Dairy, etc.
There is no connection between fat and heart disease
Kitavan Diet - A society that doesn't eat grains, dairy, refined fat or refined sugar. This culture as virtually no instances of heart disease or stroke despite one of the stapes being coconut - which consists dominantly of saturated fat.
**Crud Muffins - how do I post links here? (or can I?) the usual BB coding isn't working. Do I need to use html?0 -
Paleo isn't about 70% fat - it's about consuming what our ancestors did - meat, veggies, fruits and nuts.
I firmly believe this is how we should be eating and it took me years to realize that this should be common sense but we're all sort of brainwashed to believe we should be stuffing our faces with processed whole grains and avoiding things like saturated fats. Our ancestors evolved eating this way before farming came around and they did just fine - it's just a shame it took me years to finally accept it. When I did, I lost significant weight, my energy increased, my skin cleared up, and even my cholesterol levels dropped. All this while eating much more food than I normally would have, a huge chunk of that food being fat. By fat, I don't mean refined fats either. I'm talking, pure unadulterated, unprocessed fat found naturally in foods like eggs and meat.
There's quite a bit more research supporting this method of eating than we're led to believe. Here are some sources:
Marks Daily Apple - Definitive Guides to things like Grains, Dairy, etc.
There is no connection between fat and heart disease
Kitavan Diet - A society that doesn't eat grains, dairy, refined fat or refined sugar. This culture as virtually no instances of heart disease or stroke despite one of the stapes being coconut - which consists dominantly of saturated fat.
**Crud Muffins - how do I post links here? (or can I?) the usual BB coding isn't working. Do I need to use html?
I had said that several times...............
65-70% fat intake works for ME and the individual person that I am. Some people do even higher and some do less.
Yes, just post the html code.0 -
Paleo isn't about 70% fat - it's about consuming what our ancestors did - meat, veggies, fruits and nuts.
I firmly believe this is how we should be eating and it took me years to realize that this should be common sense but we're all sort of brainwashed to believe we should be stuffing our faces with processed whole grains and avoiding things like saturated fats. Our ancestors evolved eating this way before farming came around and they did just fine - it's just a shame it took me years to finally accept it. When I did, I lost significant weight, my energy increased, my skin cleared up, and even my cholesterol levels dropped. All this while eating much more food than I normally would have, a huge chunk of that food being fat. By fat, I don't mean refined fats either. I'm talking, pure unadulterated, unprocessed fat found naturally in foods like eggs and meat.
There's quite a bit more research supporting this method of eating than we're led to believe. Here are some sources:
Marks Daily Apple - Definitive Guides to things like Grains, Dairy, etc.
There is no connection between fat and heart disease
Kitavan Diet - A society that doesn't eat grains, dairy, refined fat or refined sugar. This culture as virtually no instances of heart disease or stroke despite one of the stapes being coconut - which consists dominantly of saturated fat.
**Crud Muffins - how do I post links here? (or can I?) the usual BB coding isn't working. Do I need to use html?
I had said that several times...............
65-70% fat intake works for ME and the individual person that I am. Some people do even higher and some do less.
Yes, just post the html code.
Exactly. I don't go to 70%. That's YOUR individual choice. Somehow your 70% got interpreted into "everyone needs to eat 70% fat." I keep my ratio lower than that but we're still eating similar.
Some people just don't "do" carbs well. I'm one of them. This has worked very well for me.0 -
Paleo isn't about 70% fat - it's about consuming what our ancestors did - meat, veggies, fruits and nuts.
I firmly believe this is how we should be eating and it took me years to realize that this should be common sense but we're all sort of brainwashed to believe we should be stuffing our faces with processed whole grains and avoiding things like saturated fats. Our ancestors evolved eating this way before farming came around and they did just fine - it's just a shame it took me years to finally accept it. When I did, I lost significant weight, my energy increased, my skin cleared up, and even my cholesterol levels dropped. All this while eating much more food than I normally would have, a huge chunk of that food being fat. By fat, I don't mean refined fats either. I'm talking, pure unadulterated, unprocessed fat found naturally in foods like eggs and meat.
There's quite a bit more research supporting this method of eating than we're led to believe. Here are some sources:
Marks Daily Apple - Definitive Guides to things like Grains, Dairy, etc.
There is no connection between fat and heart disease
Kitavan Diet - A society that doesn't eat grains, dairy, refined fat or refined sugar. This culture as virtually no instances of heart disease or stroke despite one of the stapes being coconut - which consists dominantly of saturated fat.
**Crud Muffins - how do I post links here? (or can I?) the usual BB coding isn't working. Do I need to use html?
I had said that several times...............
65-70% fat intake works for ME and the individual person that I am. Some people do even higher and some do less.
Yes, just post the html code.
Exactly. I don't go to 70%. That's YOUR individual choice. Somehow your 70% got interpreted into "everyone needs to eat 70% fat." I keep my ratio lower than that but we're still eating similar.
Some people just don't "do" carbs well. I'm one of them. This has worked very well for me.
Exactly. I believe the higher fat is working for me right now because I am still sorting through some hormonal issues, which we know that fat loss and weight loss has more to do with hormonal imbalances than with caloric intake.
I know for a fact that as my body's imbalances line out and everything becomes more normal again my fat intake will decrease and my protein and carb intake will increase a bit to balance everything out.........
I don't "do" carbs very well either.0 -
Well I apologize that I don't have time to go through 8 pages of lengthy posts to make sure I'm not repeating myself even the slightest bit. If i am, then people can just ignore it
And speaking of interpreting things wrong, my first comment simply implied that a paleo diet is not about monitoring how much percentage of fat you're eating - whether it be 70% of 30%.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/search-results/?cx=004987908667488763946:kd-fp2c7jek&cof=FORID:11&ie=UTF-8&q=definitive+guides&sa.x=63&sa.y=9&sa=Search#919
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22116724/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition/
http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=12909
-neither HTML or BB coding seemed to yield proper links, so if anyone cares, they can copy and paste the readings!0 -
Well I apologize that I don't have time to go through 8 pages of lengthy posts to make sure I'm not repeating myself even the slightest bit. If i am, then people can just ignore it
And speaking of interpreting things wrong, my first comment simply implied that a paleo diet is not about monitoring how much percentage of fat you're eating - whether it be 70% of 30%.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/search-results/?cx=004987908667488763946:kd-fp2c7jek&cof=FORID:11&ie=UTF-8&q=definitive+guides&sa.x=63&sa.y=9&sa=Search#919
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22116724/ns/health-diet_and_nutrition/
http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=12909
-neither HTML or BB coding seemed to yield proper links, so if anyone cares, they can copy and paste the readings!
If you were referring to my post, my apologies because you were interpreting it wrong. I was agreeing with you.0 -
Paleo isn't about 70% fat - it's about consuming what our ancestors did - meat, veggies, fruits and nuts.
I firmly believe this is how we should be eating and it took me years to realize that this should be common sense but we're all sort of brainwashed to believe we should be stuffing our faces with processed whole grains and avoiding things like saturated fats. Our ancestors evolved eating this way before farming came around and they did just fine - it's just a shame it took me years to finally accept it. When I did, I lost significant weight, my energy increased, my skin cleared up, and even my cholesterol levels dropped. All this while eating much more food than I normally would have, a huge chunk of that food being fat. By fat, I don't mean refined fats either. I'm talking, pure unadulterated, unprocessed fat found naturally in foods like eggs and meat.
There's quite a bit more research supporting this method of eating than we're led to believe. Here are some sources:
Marks Daily Apple - Definitive Guides to things like Grains, Dairy, etc.
There is no connection between fat and heart disease
Kitavan Diet - A society that doesn't eat grains, dairy, refined fat or refined sugar. This culture as virtually no instances of heart disease or stroke despite one of the stapes being coconut - which consists dominantly of saturated fat.
**Crud Muffins - how do I post links here? (or can I?) the usual BB coding isn't working. Do I need to use html?
I had said that several times...............
65-70% fat intake works for ME and the individual person that I am. Some people do even higher and some do less.
Yes, just post the html code.
Exactly. I don't go to 70%. That's YOUR individual choice. Somehow your 70% got interpreted into "everyone needs to eat 70% fat." I keep my ratio lower than that but we're still eating similar.
Some people just don't "do" carbs well. I'm one of them. This has worked very well for me.
And see, the doctors told me that I need to limit my carb intake. That I was borderline diabetic and by 20 I would be a diabetic. I haven't changed a thing and I am not diabetic. I didn't roll over and accept it. I didn't let it get to the point where it did effect my life. I did my preventive maintainance and came out fine. My blood sugar levels are well under control.
The "American" Diet and exercise have not failed me. I doubt it ever will. There is nothing out there that proves it's bad.0 -
Paleo isn't about 70% fat - it's about consuming what our ancestors did - meat, veggies, fruits and nuts.
I firmly believe this is how we should be eating and it took me years to realize that this should be common sense but we're all sort of brainwashed to believe we should be stuffing our faces with processed whole grains and avoiding things like saturated fats. Our ancestors evolved eating this way before farming came around and they did just fine - it's just a shame it took me years to finally accept it. When I did, I lost significant weight, my energy increased, my skin cleared up, and even my cholesterol levels dropped. All this while eating much more food than I normally would have, a huge chunk of that food being fat. By fat, I don't mean refined fats either. I'm talking, pure unadulterated, unprocessed fat found naturally in foods like eggs and meat.
There's quite a bit more research supporting this method of eating than we're led to believe. Here are some sources:
Marks Daily Apple - Definitive Guides to things like Grains, Dairy, etc.
There is no connection between fat and heart disease
Kitavan Diet - A society that doesn't eat grains, dairy, refined fat or refined sugar. This culture as virtually no instances of heart disease or stroke despite one of the stapes being coconut - which consists dominantly of saturated fat.
**Crud Muffins - how do I post links here? (or can I?) the usual BB coding isn't working. Do I need to use html?
I had said that several times...............
65-70% fat intake works for ME and the individual person that I am. Some people do even higher and some do less.
Yes, just post the html code.
Exactly. I don't go to 70%. That's YOUR individual choice. Somehow your 70% got interpreted into "everyone needs to eat 70% fat." I keep my ratio lower than that but we're still eating similar.
Some people just don't "do" carbs well. I'm one of them. This has worked very well for me.
And see, the doctors told me that I need to limit my carb intake. That I was borderline diabetic and by 20 I would be a diabetic. I haven't changed a thing and I am not diabetic. I didn't roll over and accept it. I didn't let it get to the point where it did effect my life. I didn't my preventive maintainance and came out fine. My blood sugar levels are well under control.
The "American" Diet and exercise have not failed me. I doubt it ever will. There is nothing out there that proves it's bad.
There might be a typo there, you didn’t or you did your preventive maintenance?
And so we are clear, please explain “American” diet, the one where “there is nothing out there that proves it’s bad”?0 -
Children are getting Type II diabetes.0
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I don't understand the need for people to bash what everyone else does as far as 'dieting' goes to reach their goals. Everyone does what works for them so why not JUST accept that?
And yea. I eat Paleo.0 -
Now what I say about the "American" diet is the low fat diet.0
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I don't understand the need for people to bash what everyone else does as far as 'dieting' goes to reach their goals. Everyone does what works for them so why not JUST accept that?
And yea. I eat Paleo.
Well said.
Not everyone processes carbs well and many have a very bad reaction to gluten. But since we're "told" you need to eat 40/40/20 we are supposed to follow like blind sheep, correct? I don't think so. I'm going to trust the opinions/advice of Taubes/Sisson/Wolf over Oprah Winfrey every day of the week.0 -
I don't understand the need for people to bash what everyone else does as far as 'dieting' goes to reach their goals. Everyone does what works for them so why not JUST accept that?
And yea. I eat Paleo.
Well said.
Not everyone processes carbs well and many have a very bad reaction to gluten. But since we're "told" you need to eat 40/40/20 we are supposed to follow like blind sheep, correct? I don't think so. I'm going to trust the opinions/advice of Taubes/Sisson/Wolf over Oprah Winfrey every day of the week.
Oprah Winfrey didn't not make the food pyramid. Sorry.0 -
I don't understand the need for people to bash what everyone else does as far as 'dieting' goes to reach their goals. Everyone does what works for them so why not JUST accept that?
And yea. I eat Paleo.
Well said.
Not everyone processes carbs well and many have a very bad reaction to gluten. But since we're "told" you need to eat 40/40/20 we are supposed to follow like blind sheep, correct? I don't think so. I'm going to trust the opinions/advice of Taubes/Sisson/Wolf over Oprah Winfrey every day of the week.
Personally, I'll stick with peer reviewed science based medicine over all the above. I would gnaw off my arm before listening to Oprah who gives a platform to every homeopathic anti-vax quack diet nutter in the U.S.0 -
I don't understand the need for people to bash what everyone else does as far as 'dieting' goes to reach their goals. Everyone does what works for them so why not JUST accept that?
And yea. I eat Paleo.
Well said.
Not everyone processes carbs well and many have a very bad reaction to gluten. But since we're "told" you need to eat 40/40/20 we are supposed to follow like blind sheep, correct? I don't think so. I'm going to trust the opinions/advice of Taubes/Sisson/Wolf over Oprah Winfrey every day of the week.
Oprah Winfrey didn't not make the food pyramid. Sorry.
Great! Glad that food pyramid works for YOU. It DOESN'T work for everyone which was the point of my post.0 -
I agree with a lot of this post.The question is "Is Atkins/Paleo a healthy way to lose weight?" According to most doctors and the CDC and other government agencies it isn't really all that good for you. Now I know that those doctors are on the government pay roll and they only want to see Americans get fatter so the pay checks from the grain lobbyists keep rolling in, but they also advocate a way to lose weight that works. I clearly don't understand why they would do this when they want us all to get fatter, but there it is. Eat clean, healthy foods, in moderation. Don't cut anything out completely so you get full nutrition, and add exercise to your daily life.
This method has worked for hundreds of thousands of people too. They've lost just as much weight and been just as successful as those on the Atkins/Paleo diet and they gain it all back when they stop eating that way too. The difference is that there is no reason they have to stop. No doctor is going to tell someone they aren't getting enough twinkies in their diet, or that all those fresh veggies, and health carbs, has caused their kidney's to stop functioning properly. And nobody's going to say man that exercise you've been doing has really raised your cholesterol and you need to stop right now.
The bottom line is that there are many many ways to lose weight. Some are healthier than others, some are dangerous, and some are flat out stupid. I don't think Paleo is the most unhealthy, or the stupidest, or even really all that dangerous, but it's also not the best. It does give people a jump so they can lose weight and improve their health, so IMO it's really not that horrible. It's just not that great either.
This is an interesting thread. I have enjoyed the debates about "real doctors" and appendices. Despite the hot debate, I feel compelled to join the fray with a few points of my own:
1. As a "real doctor", I feel compelled to assure the community that I have no interest in people getting fatter. As an ER specialist, I see way too many people dying from complications of obesity, the condition makes caring for patients much harder, and in fact I have taken a special interest in it going away
2. The medical community is slowly realizing that low carb/sugarless diets are best for diabetes. I rarely recommend an Atkins-Paleo type diet to anyone, but it is an excellent lifestyle change for a diabetic.
http://www.atkins.com/science/sciencearticleslibrary/Category2/Diabetes.aspx
3. I think there are lots of good ways to be healthy and lose weight. Most of them include eating a balanced diet with plenty of protein, fruits, and vegetables. Many grain-based foods are processed and in avoiding them you can avoid a lot of processed food. You can also avoid them by only eating whole grains such as oats and brown rice.
4. There is a rising concern with gluten intolerance and its link to autoimmune disease and cancer. I myself have experienced great health benefits with eliminating it from my diet, and think there are a lot of undiagnosed gluten intolerant people out there that benefit from Paleo in this way. http://denver.yourhub.com/Littleton/Stories/Archive/Health-Fitness/Diet/Story~390017.aspx
5. We are recogonizing more and more that sugar consumption, especially the processed kind, is much worse for us than fat ever was. The insulin response and effect on the body can be profound. I honestly think at the end of the daqy with depends on your individual genetic makeup and hormonal responses http://www.rheumatic.org/sugar.htm http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20047137
6. A lot of people also have dairy intolerance due to difficulties digesting lactose and/or casein, and will find a lot less bloating and easier weight loss without it.
7. The human body is resilient. It will learn to adapt and thrive on any sort of energy input. They key is to find the best sources for YOUR body. I have found my body functions best with plenty of veggies and protein, low dairy, and a moderate amount of gluten-free carbs. My husband does best on plenty of fruits and carbs and a moderate amount of protein. I don't lecture him on eating my way (well, except for encouraging more veggies)....
In short, I don't know what the argument is over. Everyone's body is different, and science has failed to provide definitive proof we all need to eat the same. So congratulations to those who have found a lifestyle that works for them, and good luck to those still searching.
thank you!!!! hit the nail on the head!!0 -
I have recently discovered the Paleo etc. diet and found it was what I had been doing but that it had a name! I had given up gluten and dairy and had huge health benefits from it. I was still eating other grains but notice they do not agree with me. By eliminating all grains along with the gluten and dairy, I feel great, eat tons of greens, lean protein, some nuts and seeds and fruit once a day. Steadily loosing. Have requested the books from the library but for now existing on blogs and Facebook groups. www.marksdailyapple.com is a good one.
I notice on MFP that my fat and protein goes over their recommended but my calories stay under.0 -
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Let me go stuff myself with "whole grains" because they're good for you according to the USDA.. Yea, and then deal with the bloating, gas and constipation. Been there. Done that. Most likely, never again.0
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