How successful is a no-bread diet?
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I asked my Dr. about what changes should i work on for my health in 2013 year. He said don't eat bread, rice, pasta, potatoes. I am going to eliminate them from my diet.
Can't wait to see how much better i'll feel.
I cut out grain before I cut out sugar and I found that when I cut out sugar, I had to put a bit of grain back in to meet my minimum of carbs. There are good substances in some grain (like beta glucans in oatmeal) that are difficult to get from other sources (only other source that I know of is mushrooms and I don't like them). I have modified my diet to eating some 100% organic rye bread (one piece or two on my heavy workout days) and I eat absolutely no sugar (it was making me sick and sluggish). I am even on a two-week fast from fructose in order to "reset" my levels of fructokinase (those levels go wonky when you eat too much fructose in the form of sucrose (sucrose or table sugar is 50% fructose). When the two weeks are up, I will add a piece or two of fruit per day back into my diet but I will never exceed 25 grams of fructose per day again. Just for reference, a can of soda pop has about twelve times the amount of fructose as an orange and the soda is totally empty calories--which I cannot afford if I am going to stay healthy while reducing body fat.0 -
I am doing the 17 day diet. It teaches you how to re introduce foods. There are 3 phases then the 4th phase is for life. We have started a group if you want to check it out
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/groups/home/10461-17-day-diet-to-start-off-2013-healthy0 -
bumping this to read later.
I could never cut out bread completely myself because i know eventually i would go back on it and it just wouldn't be worth it for me in the long run however i know everyone is different and this may be possible for some people i you feel it would really benefit you and you could do without it, Nevertheless its not worth it if you're only punishing yourself, restricting yourself...like many have said i think keeping it to one meal is a good idea and also whole grain is the way to go, i've started this in the last few months and its benefitted me greatly, it's the little steps but most importantly don't beat yourself up over it if you eat a slice of white bread or potato, moderation and acceptance is key.
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Pointing out that a can of pop, say coke doesn't have 12 times the fructose of an average orange, it has twice as much, and if you compare 8 oz of coke with 8 oz of freshly squeezed orange juice there about equal. Misinformation doesn't help anyone.I asked my Dr. about what changes should i work on for my health in 2013 year. He said don't eat bread, rice, pasta, potatoes. I am going to eliminate them from my diet.
Can't wait to see how much better i'll feel.
I cut out grain before I cut out sugar and I found that when I cut out sugar, I had to put a bit of grain back in to meet my minimum of carbs. There are good substances in some grain (like beta glucans in oatmeal) that are difficult to get from other sources (only other source that I know of is mushrooms and I don't like them). I have modified my diet to eating some 100% organic rye bread (one piece or two on my heavy workout days) and I eat absolutely no sugar (it was making me sick and sluggish). I am even on a two-week fast from fructose in order to "reset" my levels of fructokinase (those levels go wonky when you eat too much fructose in the form of sucrose (sucrose or table sugar is 50% fructose). When the two weeks are up, I will add a piece or two of fruit per day back into my diet but I will never exceed 25 grams of fructose per day again. Just for reference, a can of soda pop has about twelve times the amount of fructose as an orange and the soda is totally empty calories--which I cannot afford if I am going to stay healthy while reducing body fat.0 -
Pointing out that a can of pop, say coke doesn't have 12 times the fructose of an average orange, it has twice as much, and if you compare 8 oz of coke with 8 oz of freshly squeezed orange juice there about equal. Misinformation doesn't help anyone.I asked my Dr. about what changes should i work on for my health in 2013 year. He said don't eat bread, rice, pasta, potatoes. I am going to eliminate them from my diet.
Can't wait to see how much better i'll feel.
I cut out grain before I cut out sugar and I found that when I cut out sugar, I had to put a bit of grain back in to meet my minimum of carbs. There are good substances in some grain (like beta glucans in oatmeal) that are difficult to get from other sources (only other source that I know of is mushrooms and I don't like them). I have modified my diet to eating some 100% organic rye bread (one piece or two on my heavy workout days) and I eat absolutely no sugar (it was making me sick and sluggish). I am even on a two-week fast from fructose in order to "reset" my levels of fructokinase (those levels go wonky when you eat too much fructose in the form of sucrose (sucrose or table sugar is 50% fructose). When the two weeks are up, I will add a piece or two of fruit per day back into my diet but I will never exceed 25 grams of fructose per day again. Just for reference, a can of soda pop has about twelve times the amount of fructose as an orange and the soda is totally empty calories--which I cannot afford if I am going to stay healthy while reducing body fat.
I was talking about a 12-oz. serving of soda pop (typical serving---some people drink a lot more in a sitting) which has about 44 grams of sugar--more than half of which would be fructose because of the high fructose corn syrup that is used as a sweetener. A medium California Valencia orange has a little over 2 grams of fructose (and has a lot of fiber to slow down the transmission of the fructose to the liver). You are right, my original number was off a little. But it wasn't off as much as your number is. And I WASN'T talking about orange juice or any other fruit juice. Much better to eat the fruit and drink water if one is thirsty. But even fruit juice is better for you than soda pop.0 -
An average orange has 5 to 6g's of fructose, not 2, and an apple has a lot more. The amount of comparable liquid in a 12 oz bottle of anything and the liquid from 1 orange really isn't a fair comparison. The problem with comparing is there's no context and dosage applied. If we do apply dosage on an oz for oz basis, there's pretty much no difference between pop and juice. I agree pop is not a good choice, and a fresh orange is better, juice, not so much. But if we put context in the equation, then whether someone has a pop or an equal amount of fruit juice in what would be considered a decent overall diet, it doesn't matter much. Again applying context and dosage we could say that if someone is not over consuming sugar then there's no reason to leave fruit or pop out of the diet.
Pointing out that a can of pop, say coke doesn't have 12 times the fructose of an average orange, it has twice as much, and if you compare 8 oz of coke with 8 oz of freshly squeezed orange juice there about equal. Misinformation doesn't help anyone.I asked my Dr. about what changes should i work on for my health in 2013 year. He said don't eat bread, rice, pasta, potatoes. I am going to eliminate them from my diet.
Can't wait to see how much better i'll feel.
I cut out grain before I cut out sugar and I found that when I cut out sugar, I had to put a bit of grain back in to meet my minimum of carbs. There are good substances in some grain (like beta glucans in oatmeal) that are difficult to get from other sources (only other source that I know of is mushrooms and I don't like them). I have modified my diet to eating some 100% organic rye bread (one piece or two on my heavy workout days) and I eat absolutely no sugar (it was making me sick and sluggish). I am even on a two-week fast from fructose in order to "reset" my levels of fructokinase (those levels go wonky when you eat too much fructose in the form of sucrose (sucrose or table sugar is 50% fructose). When the two weeks are up, I will add a piece or two of fruit per day back into my diet but I will never exceed 25 grams of fructose per day again. Just for reference, a can of soda pop has about twelve times the amount of fructose as an orange and the soda is totally empty calories--which I cannot afford if I am going to stay healthy while reducing body fat.
I was talking about a 12-oz. serving of soda pop (typical serving---some people drink a lot more in a sitting) which has about 44 grams of sugar--more than half of which would be fructose because of the high fructose corn syrup that is used as a sweetener. A medium California Valencia orange has a little over 2 grams of fructose (and has a lot of fiber to slow down the transmission of the fructose to the liver). You are right, my original number was off a little. But it wasn't off as much as your number is. And I WASN'T talking about orange juice or any other fruit juice. Much better to eat the fruit and drink water if one is thirsty. But even fruit juice is better for you than soda pop.0 -
An average orange has 5 to 6g's of fructose, not 2, and an apple has a lot more. The amount of comparable liquid in a 12 oz bottle of anything and the liquid from 1 orange really isn't a fair comparison. The problem with comparing is there's no context and dosage applied. If we do apply dosage on an oz for oz basis, there's pretty much no difference between pop and juice. I agree pop is not a good choice, and a fresh orange is better, juice, not so much. But if we put context in the equation, then whether someone has a pop or an equal amount of fruit juice in what would be considered a decent overall diet, it doesn't matter much. Again applying context and dosage we could say that if someone is not over consuming sugar then there's no reason to leave fruit or pop out of the diet.
Pointing out that a can of pop, say coke doesn't have 12 times the fructose of an average orange, it has twice as much, and if you compare 8 oz of coke with 8 oz of freshly squeezed orange juice there about equal. Misinformation doesn't help anyone.I asked my Dr. about what changes should i work on for my health in 2013 year. He said don't eat bread, rice, pasta, potatoes. I am going to eliminate them from my diet.
Can't wait to see how much better i'll feel.
I cut out grain before I cut out sugar and I found that when I cut out sugar, I had to put a bit of grain back in to meet my minimum of carbs. There are good substances in some grain (like beta glucans in oatmeal) that are difficult to get from other sources (only other source that I know of is mushrooms and I don't like them). I have modified my diet to eating some 100% organic rye bread (one piece or two on my heavy workout days) and I eat absolutely no sugar (it was making me sick and sluggish). I am even on a two-week fast from fructose in order to "reset" my levels of fructokinase (those levels go wonky when you eat too much fructose in the form of sucrose (sucrose or table sugar is 50% fructose). When the two weeks are up, I will add a piece or two of fruit per day back into my diet but I will never exceed 25 grams of fructose per day again. Just for reference, a can of soda pop has about twelve times the amount of fructose as an orange and the soda is totally empty calories--which I cannot afford if I am going to stay healthy while reducing body fat.
I was talking about a 12-oz. serving of soda pop (typical serving---some people drink a lot more in a sitting) which has about 44 grams of sugar--more than half of which would be fructose because of the high fructose corn syrup that is used as a sweetener. A medium California Valencia orange has a little over 2 grams of fructose (and has a lot of fiber to slow down the transmission of the fructose to the liver). You are right, my original number was off a little. But it wasn't off as much as your number is. And I WASN'T talking about orange juice or any other fruit juice. Much better to eat the fruit and drink water if one is thirsty. But even fruit juice is better for you than soda pop.
I agree that fruit is part of a healthy diet---but there is no place for soda pop in a HEALTHY fat-loss diet. If you are over 6 feet tall and have a lot of muscle, you can probably get away with the occasional soda pop. But most of us simply can't afford the empty calories. I don't know where you got your 5-6 grams of fructose for an orange---that would be a pretty large orange.0 -
Most charts are similar, but here's one. http://nograiner.com/ingredients/fructose-content-common-fruits-chart
An average orange has 5 to 6g's of fructose, not 2, and an apple has a lot more. The amount of comparable liquid in a 12 oz bottle of anything and the liquid from 1 orange really isn't a fair comparison. The problem with comparing is there's no context and dosage applied. If we do apply dosage on an oz for oz basis, there's pretty much no difference between pop and juice. I agree pop is not a good choice, and a fresh orange is better, juice, not so much. But if we put context in the equation, then whether someone has a pop or an equal amount of fruit juice in what would be considered a decent overall diet, it doesn't matter much. Again applying context and dosage we could say that if someone is not over consuming sugar then there's no reason to leave fruit or pop out of the diet.
Pointing out that a can of pop, say coke doesn't have 12 times the fructose of an average orange, it has twice as much, and if you compare 8 oz of coke with 8 oz of freshly squeezed orange juice there about equal. Misinformation doesn't help anyone.I asked my Dr. about what changes should i work on for my health in 2013 year. He said don't eat bread, rice, pasta, potatoes. I am going to eliminate them from my diet.
Can't wait to see how much better i'll feel.
I cut out grain before I cut out sugar and I found that when I cut out sugar, I had to put a bit of grain back in to meet my minimum of carbs. There are good substances in some grain (like beta glucans in oatmeal) that are difficult to get from other sources (only other source that I know of is mushrooms and I don't like them). I have modified my diet to eating some 100% organic rye bread (one piece or two on my heavy workout days) and I eat absolutely no sugar (it was making me sick and sluggish). I am even on a two-week fast from fructose in order to "reset" my levels of fructokinase (those levels go wonky when you eat too much fructose in the form of sucrose (sucrose or table sugar is 50% fructose). When the two weeks are up, I will add a piece or two of fruit per day back into my diet but I will never exceed 25 grams of fructose per day again. Just for reference, a can of soda pop has about twelve times the amount of fructose as an orange and the soda is totally empty calories--which I cannot afford if I am going to stay healthy while reducing body fat.
I was talking about a 12-oz. serving of soda pop (typical serving---some people drink a lot more in a sitting) which has about 44 grams of sugar--more than half of which would be fructose because of the high fructose corn syrup that is used as a sweetener. A medium California Valencia orange has a little over 2 grams of fructose (and has a lot of fiber to slow down the transmission of the fructose to the liver). You are right, my original number was off a little. But it wasn't off as much as your number is. And I WASN'T talking about orange juice or any other fruit juice. Much better to eat the fruit and drink water if one is thirsty. But even fruit juice is better for you than soda pop.
I agree that fruit is part of a healthy diet---but there is no place for soda pop in a HEALTHY fat-loss diet. If you are over 6 feet tall and have a lot of muscle, you can probably get away with the occasional soda pop. But most of us simply can't afford the empty calories. I don't know where you got your 5-6 grams of fructose for an orange---that would be a pretty large orange.
I totally agree, pop is crap and shouldn't really be considered in the diet, but that's just my opinion. But I also think fruit juice is something to be avoided as well, again just my opinion, and the GI thing is really not a good meter whether something is better than something else to consume. GL is what matters, and if someone is downing a pop or juice, that load is equal, where the GI can be effected by other foods consumed, but the load never goes away.0 -
pretty successful for me.....i eat a higher protein lower carb diet, and keep my calories at about 1500 depending on my exercise intensity and have seriously reduced my cravings and am successfully losing weight. I do eat one piece of whole grain breat a day, but other than that I my carbs come from vegies and lower carb fruits. I find it easier (and this is just my experience and what works for me) not to eat "bready" and sweet things -- if I eat one I crave more. But I don't think it is all in my head. There is a very interesting scientific literature on sugar addiction (and white flour stuff is metabolized into sugar like carb chains very quickly in the body). I think for some people and I am one of them my cravings are partly genetic and physiological (similar to alcohol). But that is a different subject.0
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Most charts are similar, but here's one. http://nograiner.com/ingredients/fructose-content-common-fruits-chart
An average orange has 5 to 6g's of fructose, not 2, and an apple has a lot more. The amount of comparable liquid in a 12 oz bottle of anything and the liquid from 1 orange really isn't a fair comparison. The problem with comparing is there's no context and dosage applied. If we do apply dosage on an oz for oz basis, there's pretty much no difference between pop and juice. I agree pop is not a good choice, and a fresh orange is better, juice, not so much. But if we put context in the equation, then whether someone has a pop or an equal amount of fruit juice in what would be considered a decent overall diet, it doesn't matter much. Again applying context and dosage we could say that if someone is not over consuming sugar then there's no reason to leave fruit or pop out of the diet.
Pointing out that a can of pop, say coke doesn't have 12 times the fructose of an average orange, it has twice as much, and if you compare 8 oz of coke with 8 oz of freshly squeezed orange juice there about equal. Misinformation doesn't help anyone.I asked my Dr. about what changes should i work on for my health in 2013 year. He said don't eat bread, rice, pasta, potatoes. I am going to eliminate them from my diet.
Can't wait to see how much better i'll feel.
I cut out grain before I cut out sugar and I found that when I cut out sugar, I had to put a bit of grain back in to meet my minimum of carbs. There are good substances in some grain (like beta glucans in oatmeal) that are difficult to get from other sources (only other source that I know of is mushrooms and I don't like them). I have modified my diet to eating some 100% organic rye bread (one piece or two on my heavy workout days) and I eat absolutely no sugar (it was making me sick and sluggish). I am even on a two-week fast from fructose in order to "reset" my levels of fructokinase (those levels go wonky when you eat too much fructose in the form of sucrose (sucrose or table sugar is 50% fructose). When the two weeks are up, I will add a piece or two of fruit per day back into my diet but I will never exceed 25 grams of fructose per day again. Just for reference, a can of soda pop has about twelve times the amount of fructose as an orange and the soda is totally empty calories--which I cannot afford if I am going to stay healthy while reducing body fat.
I was talking about a 12-oz. serving of soda pop (typical serving---some people drink a lot more in a sitting) which has about 44 grams of sugar--more than half of which would be fructose because of the high fructose corn syrup that is used as a sweetener. A medium California Valencia orange has a little over 2 grams of fructose (and has a lot of fiber to slow down the transmission of the fructose to the liver). You are right, my original number was off a little. But it wasn't off as much as your number is. And I WASN'T talking about orange juice or any other fruit juice. Much better to eat the fruit and drink water if one is thirsty. But even fruit juice is better for you than soda pop.
I agree that fruit is part of a healthy diet---but there is no place for soda pop in a HEALTHY fat-loss diet. If you are over 6 feet tall and have a lot of muscle, you can probably get away with the occasional soda pop. But most of us simply can't afford the empty calories. I don't know where you got your 5-6 grams of fructose for an orange---that would be a pretty large orange.
I totally agree, pop is crap and shouldn't really be considered in the diet, but that's just my opinion. But I also think fruit juice is something to be avoided as well, again just my opinion, and the GI thing is really not a good meter whether something is better than something else to consume. GL is what matters, and if someone is downing a pop or juice, that load is equal, where the GI can be effected by other foods consumed, but the load never goes away.
I don't drink fruit juice, nor do I recommend fruit juice for anyone else who has a weight problem---but it still has more nourishment than soda pop. I agree that both have a very high glycemic load.0 -
pretty successful for me.....i eat a higher protein lower carb diet, and keep my calories at about 1500 depending on my exercise intensity and have seriously reduced my cravings and am successfully losing weight. I do eat one piece of whole grain breat a day, but other than that I my carbs come from vegies and lower carb fruits. I find it easier (and this is just my experience and what works for me) not to eat "bready" and sweet things -- if I eat one I crave more. But I don't think it is all in my head. There is a very interesting scientific literature on sugar addiction (and white flour stuff is metabolized into sugar like carb chains very quickly in the body). I think for some people and I am one of them my cravings are partly genetic and physiological (similar to alcohol). But that is a different subject.
I agree totally with you. :flowerforyou:0 -
I cut out bread, wheat, and fried food and ate strictly gluten free products and lost 50 lbs in 5 months0
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Rice is unfortunately a scam and not nutritional. breads shouldn't be a staple in your diet. fruit and veg all the way! Check out Dr. Joel Fuhrmans studies.0
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I cut out bread, wheat, and fried food and ate strictly gluten free products and lost 50 lbs in 5 months
Yep. The gliadin component of gluten appears to be the most problematic. I still eat a bit of 100% whole rye bread. It still has gluten but less of it than does wheat. Also, unlike wheat, it has a complete amino acid profile and it does not raise blood sugar precipitously, as most wheat bread does (even whole wheat). I saw an experiment conducted with Type II diabetics where important markers improved significantly on rye bread rather than wheat bread. Rye bread also has a unique type of fiber that keeps you full for a LONG time. It is a body builder's friend in that other experiments have shown that it helps to build muscle faster when it is substituted for wheat bread in their diets. The traditional way that 100% rye bread is raised is with a sourdough culture--also beneficial for the gut.0 -
Rice is unfortunately a scam and not nutritional. breads shouldn't be a staple in your diet. fruit and veg all the way! Check out Dr. Joel Fuhrmans studies.
Yes--there is also the arsenic problem with rice.0 -
I think it's not sustainable. I did the 17 day diet last year, lost 7 pounds in a few days but then not much after. I felt sick and dizzy all the time. I find, if I stick to approximately 3-4 carbs a day and exercise a bit, I lose 2-3 lbs a week.0
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I've been successful going lower carb. I stay below 50g (gross) carbs per day five days of the week. I don't eat bread anymore, but I have pasta once a week and Asian (rice) once a week so those two days are higher (though still under 100g for the day, under 75g if I can; I plan around it).0
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I cut out all grains a year ago. My carbs now come from vegetables, nuts and a bit of fruit (mostly berries, with an occasional apple) I'm diabetic, so grains are not my friend and I plan on eating this way for the rest of my life to keep blood glucose under control.0
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I don't eat bread unless I'm outside the house and have it with dinner. The only benefit I see to cutting bread out is it lowers my carbs for the day. I've gotten used to naked veggie burgers and naked veggie hot dogs, so I don't bother buying the stuff/eating it at home.
Honestly, if you can fit it in your macros, go ahead and eat it. But if you feel you're eating too much, then scale it back, or just eat it when you go out/don't keep it in the house.0 -
I cut out bread, rice, pasta, for a month. I stuck with organic fruits, veggies, and quality meat. It was a very good decision because my symptoms of IBS went away. Now the only time i eat bread is when I have pizza for a cheat day. It wreaks havoc on my system. It may be a gluten allergy. Within 30 minutes my stomach starts gurgling and bloating.
I would like to try quinoa. Hopefully that won't make my stomach upset.0 -
I have cut out all forms of high starchy items which includes high fructose corn syrup, sugar, ketchup, bread, pasta, corn, corn meal, grains, potatoes, etc. I get all my carbs from dairy and lots of low starchy vegetables. I have reactive hypo and have to maintain a 1.5:1 or 1:1 ratio of carbs to protein with every meal per doc. This is a healthy lifestyle choice, so it wasn't hard for me to do.0
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Im 6'1 18 years old & I started this diet when I weighed 221, I now weigh 194. I train 6 days a week and try to do hiit cardio for 30-60mins. I've been doing this no bread/rice:starch/flour (low carb) diet for 60 days. I gave seen great success in my body and everyone is shocked. I am now going to eat my carbs/bread 1-2 times a week. This diet has workout amazing for me I lost over 20 pounds!0
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I am thinking of trying not to eat any bread, white rice or pasta for a month. Has anyone tried this tactic before? How successful were you?
I haven't had any wheat products for about a year. I do eat one piece of 100% sourdough rye bread most days but I wouldn't have to. I eat rice or rice pasta sometimes when I go out---but months go by when I don't eat any. I quit eating sugar about three years ago and I had a lot of health benefits from that but I noticed the best drop in weight since I quit the wheat---close to 25 pounds.0 -
I never eat bread unless I'm at a restaurant that serves it or something like that. There is almost no nutritional value in it. Try Ezekiel 4:9 Wraps - They are super nutritional and a great alternative to bread!0
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i just try not to eat any processed grains. So i stick to Ezekiel and brown rice and Im doing well.0
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A no bread diet is a great diet. I had given up bread in August and can tell you I have probably had real bread twice since then in seven months. Nowadays I get the gluten free kind. Serves the purpose. When I was eating bread, I would get whole wheat. Gluten free is not that far of a stretch from it.0
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I'm gluten free, so this is my life! Sometimes I eat rice, but I try to keep all grains to a minimum. Well, except quinoa. I love quinoa.
Being gluten free hasn't made me lose any more weight, honestly, but I do feel so much better. Even friends who don't have celiac's have tried going gf, and they've had more energy, less digestive issues, and less problems with allergies.0 -
as successful as you want it to be. I absolutely don't miss it at all. 0
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The problem with any breads, be it: white, wheat, rice, pasta, and more.. is that it's all bad for you since it's made HORRIBLY wrong. There's a lot of arsenic sneaking into those foods and the levels that, while regulated, are still not great for us.. so, yeah, I imagine you'd get quite a lot out of not eating those.
Though I did cut them out, for a long time (about 4 months), I didn't notice a difference. It was also a struggle to find things to accompany certain meals (peanut butter and jelly just didn't go well by themselves..) It's a token food. It's carbs (energy) and filling (swells and has fiber.)
Try it. If you don't see any results, then go back to eating it. I stopped drinking sodas and never saw any difference. It all just depends on your body and metabolism.0 -
Its one thing to cut back but its another to totally cut out certain foods.
Remember, you'll have to be able to stick with it. Can you live the rest of your life without bread and everything else?
I simply cut back on certain foods and eat them in moderation. I haven't completely cut out those foods. Instead of having spaghetti a few times a week we now only have it once or twice a month. I've done the same with rice, potatoes and pizza. I still eat all of the things I love but not as much and not nearly as often as I used to.
It would be different if you were say diabetic and couldn't have certain foods or if you had some other illness that would require you to cut out certain foods or else risk getting extremely ill.
Remember that you have to be able to do it forever in order to keep the weight off. Can you honestly completely cut out those foods forever?0
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