Saturated Fats are GOOD for you
End6ame
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I, personally, have never bought into the low-fat craze because it just didn’t make sense to me. I always knew that fats were good for you I just never went out of my way to research it. Come to find out, the so called “facts” that support the claim that saturated fats are bad for you and are the cause of high cholesterol and heart disease is simply a hypothesis and much of the so called research and evidence has been funded by the vegetable oil and processing companies with the specific intent of supporting these claims. I was going to write my own article on this topic, but discovered that someone had already done it, and it is quite good, so why reinvent the wheel.
http://www.coconutoil.com/truth_saturated_fats.htm
http://www.coconutoil.com/truth_saturated_fats.htm
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grg ,thanks for this informatioin. Im just now breaking out of a plateu, and lots had to do with my thinking in regards to fats and proteins. Carbs were killing me, and I didnt know.........Thanks, Lloyd0
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My husband and I have been researching this topic over the past several months. It's hard to filter through everything you find, but we're starting to lean towards your way of thinking, too. Most of time, the best way to get to the truth of a "study" is just to follow the money.0
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Run, Duck, Cover You are a brave man, posting this kind of nonsense.
Drip, drip, drip with sarcasm. 0 -
Oh wait someone hand me the popcorn,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, this is goning to get good,,,,,, bump just to watch the train wreck that is coming.0
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YAY, another advocate!!! I am not in this fight alone..........
Here is one of my old posts from last year:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/100410-saturated-fats-not-the-enemy?hl=fats+is+not+the+enemy&page=1#posts-13866530 -
Oh wait someone hand me the popcorn,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, this is goning to get good,,,,,, bump just to watch the train wreck that is coming.
Just make sure it is not Monsanto GMO popcorn. :laugh: :laugh:0 -
Its funny you bring up this subject. As a person who is studying nutrition we have had many debates about fats. What it all boils down to is moderation. Anything is bad in excessive amounts. Fats obtained a bad reputation in the late 80s and early 90s but they are vital to our survival. Just like anything else, if you have them in your diet, it is ok just don't go overboard and gain yourself any health complications.0
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This should prove to be quite an interesting thread.0
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If the research is funded as you claim, why would the companies that make saturated fat stay quiet. BTW rather than just researching for articles, have you tried to understand the processes involved in the same?? 'WHY' is always more important.0
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Oh wait someone hand me the popcorn,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, this is goning to get good,,,,,, bump just to watch the train wreck that is coming.
I enjoy chumming the waters and waiting for sharks. :-)0 -
If the research is funded as you claim, why would the companies that make saturated fat stay quiet. BTW rather than just researching for articles, have you tried to understand the processes involved in the same?? 'WHY' is always more important.
No one MAKES saturated fat; it is naturally occurring in plans and animals.... ehem... and humans.0 -
I guess you haven't heard about a process called 'HYDROGENATION'If the research is funded as you claim, why would the companies that make saturated fat stay quiet. BTW rather than just researching for articles, have you tried to understand the processes involved in the same?? 'WHY' is always more important.
No one MAKES saturated fat; it is naturally occurring in plans and animals.0 -
If the research is funded as you claim, why would the companies that make saturated fat stay quiet. BTW rather than just researching for articles, have you tried to understand the processes involved in the same?? 'WHY' is always more important.
Your talking about trans fats that are shot up with Hydrogen and become hydrogenated fats..........Those are man made and bad for you...........0 -
I guess you haven't heard about a process called 'HYDROGENATION'If the research is funded as you claim, why would the companies that make saturated fat stay quiet. BTW rather than just researching for articles, have you tried to understand the processes involved in the same?? 'WHY' is always more important.
No one MAKES saturated fat; it is naturally occurring in plans and animals.
That would be trans fat which is a man made fat.0 -
I guess you haven't heard about a process called 'HYDROGENATION'If the research is funded as you claim, why would the companies that make saturated fat stay quiet. BTW rather than just researching for articles, have you tried to understand the processes involved in the same?? 'WHY' is always more important.
No one MAKES saturated fat; it is naturally occurring in plans and animals.
That would be trans fat which is an unsaturated man made fat.
Little knowledge is a dangerous thing. HYDROGENATION is the process of adding hydrogen to convert the double carbon bonds[Unsaturated fatty acids] into single bonds[saturated]. The cis and trans refers to the spatial orientation of double carbon bond and that is a result of partial hydrogenation.0 -
I guess you haven't heard about a process called 'HYDROGENATION'If the research is funded as you claim, why would the companies that make saturated fat stay quiet. BTW rather than just researching for articles, have you tried to understand the processes involved in the same?? 'WHY' is always more important.
No one MAKES saturated fat; it is naturally occurring in plans and animals.
That would be trans fat which is an unsaturated man made fat.
Little knowledge is a dangerous thing. HYDROGENATION is the process of adding hydrogen to convert the double carbon bonds[Unsaturated fatty acids] into single bonds[saturated]. The cis and trans refers to the spatial orientation of double carbon bond and that is a result of partial hydrogenation.
Yes, I realized I miss-spoke. Trans fats are unsaturated to start with then become partially or completely saturated. That doesn’t differ from my point however. While all trans fats are saturated fats not all saturated fats are trans fats, and there for cannot be classified the same as being bad for you.0 -
This is an interesting topic. I tend to agree more with the original poster by the way.
On a related but side note...it's so difficult for the average person to get accurate information nowadays. SO much of what we are given as gospel truth, is little more than propaganda based on American drug/food companies that have a very large lobbying hand in our business. For example I have a friend diagnosed with, I believe...stage IV colon cancer, which has spread throughout his body. He is being treated with chemotherapy of course...however, a couple months prior to his beginning treatment, he began eating a much more traditional diet, and taking daily supplements of chagga tea, and home ground CANADIAN apricot pits. Yes, he's eating those CYANIDE (thanks for the spelling lesson!) filled apricot pits...that are ILLEGAL in the US (all US apricots are genetically altered).
Now, here's the interesting part. When he went in for his final check before beginning chemo...his level of cancer had been reduced substantially. His doctor is astounded, and attributing it to various vitamins (I don't recall the specifics) and to the sionide, both contained in the apricot pits and tea...which can't be absorbed by the human body, but FIGHTS the cancer. He had mentioned others he contacted (where he learned of these supplements), on a similar diet...who had been diagnosed as terminal (6mos or less to live)...some, as many as 15 years ago. All healthy, happy...and cancer free. Additionally...he's GAINING weight...while in chemotherapy. It still makes him sick, but he IS healthy and THRIVING, rather than wasting away and dying.
Interesting, isn't it?
~Edit - Edited for spelling!~0 -
"While all trans fats are saturated fats not all saturated fats are trans fats, and there for cannot be classified the same as being bad for you."
Buddy trans fats are 'UNsaturated', the ones we talk about anyways.
I don't want to be confrontational. But any 'Solid' fat like butter or cheese or ghee and certain oils, involve hydrogenation, so your earlier claim that saturated fats occur only naturally is not true. And all major food chains like MacD, KFC, Popeye etc thrive on saturated fats. While it is easy for a layman to get confused, i can assure you if you take some time to understand the physiology and biochemistry behind it, it will be much clearer. In simple terms, Unsaturated fats are unstable because of the double bond. So they are metabolized easily. Saturated fats are stable and are stored and when that occurs in blood vessels, it causes atherosclerosis and hence Heart disease, predisposition to strokes etc etc. I can go on and on but whats inportant is not to believe what you read blindly. You have quoted that article. I can quote 1000s of others which are contrary to that claim. But at the end of the day, you have to make the decision and an informed one.0 -
This is an interesting topic. I tend to agree more with the original poster by the way.
On a related but side note...it's so difficult for the average person to get accurate information nowadays. SO much of what we are given as gospel truth, is little more than propaganda based on American drug/food companies that have a very large lobbying hand in our business. For example I have a friend diagnosed with, I believe...stage IV colon cancer, which has spread throughout his body. He is being treated with chemotherapy of course...however, a couple months prior to his beginning treatment, he began eating a much more traditional diet, and taking daily supplements of chagga tea, and home ground CANADIAN apricot pits. Yes, he's eating those sionide filled apricot pits...that are ILLEGAL in the US (all US apricots are genetically altered).
Now, here's the interesting part. When he went in for his final check before beginning chemo...his level of cancer had been reduced substantially. His doctor is astounded, and attributing it to various vitamins (I don't recall the specifics) and to the sionide, both contained in the apricot pits and tea...which can't be absorbed by the human body, but FIGHTS the cancer. He had mentioned others he contacted (where he learned of these supplements), on a similar diet...who had been diagnosed as terminal (6mos or less to live)...some, as many as 15 years ago. All healthy, happy...and cancer free. Additionally...he's GAINING weight...while in chemotherapy. It still makes him sick, but he IS healthy and THRIVING, rather than wasting away and dying.
Interesting, isn't it?
Yes, food in its many forms is often very healing..........someone told me the other day they would rather have faith in our medical community than to think that foods were able to heal the body.
Given half a chance with the proper nutrition the body will heal itself.
One of my aunts friends was told she would be dead within a few months, she refused chemo and went on an all natural plan very similar to Paleo and is very healthy and cancer free today............She changed doctors after that too. He still didn't believe her. He accused her of going over seas for treatment.0 -
"Now, here's the interesting part. When he went in for his final check before beginning chemo...his level of cancer had been reduced substantially. "
Tumors are known to shrink by themselves. Tumors have a high turn over rate i.e. rate of multiplication of cells, so they require a lot of nutrition and as they grow outwards, nutritional supply towards the centretends to get cut off or is limited which makes the tumor slough off. It is a well documented phenomenon esp in Gastro Intestinal tumors.0 -
A study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition in January 13, 2010, reported:
“A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studiesshowed that there is no significant evidence for concludingthat dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased riskof CHD [coronary heart disease] or CVD [cardiovascular disease]. More data are needed to elucidate whether CVDrisks are likely to be influenced by the specific nutrientsused to replace saturated fat.”
I don't think there's a simple answer pointing to ONE solitary item in worldwide dietary consumption that absolutely causes atherosclerosis.
When we examine the other components of a diet, how much role do they play? The typical advice in America has been avoid saturated fat - it's bad! But we've kept relatively mum until recent years on the deleterious effects of starches and processed carbohydrates in our diet. I also wonder how skewed the studies of a "high fat" diet have been. What exactly IS a high fat diet? I will venture a guess many "high fat" diets that have been studied in America were diets high in processed carbohydrate, vegetable oil, and trans fats. In essence, we've studied junk food diets. Very different from the higher fat diets of our French counterparts...whom, by the way, have a much lower incidence of CHD in their society. And a higher rate of smoking. French paradox, anyone?
I await the day when a study is published of a more traditional high fat diet (by traditional, I mean relating to hunter-gatherer socieities which thrived highly on animal fat and vegetable matter). I will lay money down it produces the same result as above - there is no direct correlation or inconclusive correlation between saturated fat intake and the risk of CHD.
But until then, I guess we can all fight in the sandbox here and have at it.0 -
This is an interesting topic. I tend to agree more with the original poster by the way.
On a related but side note...it's so difficult for the average person to get accurate information nowadays. SO much of what we are given as gospel truth, is little more than propaganda based on American drug/food companies that have a very large lobbying hand in our business. For example I have a friend diagnosed with, I believe...stage IV colon cancer, which has spread throughout his body. He is being treated with chemotherapy of course...however, a couple months prior to his beginning treatment, he began eating a much more traditional diet, and taking daily supplements of chagga tea, and home ground CANADIAN apricot pits. Yes, he's eating those sionide filled apricot pits...that are ILLEGAL in the US (all US apricots are genetically altered).
Now, here's the interesting part. When he went in for his final check before beginning chemo...his level of cancer had been reduced substantially. His doctor is astounded, and attributing it to various vitamins (I don't recall the specifics) and to the sionide, both contained in the apricot pits and tea...which can't be absorbed by the human body, but FIGHTS the cancer. He had mentioned others he contacted (where he learned of these supplements), on a similar diet...who had been diagnosed as terminal (6mos or less to live)...some, as many as 15 years ago. All healthy, happy...and cancer free. Additionally...he's GAINING weight...while in chemotherapy. It still makes him sick, but he IS healthy and THRIVING, rather than wasting away and dying.
Interesting, isn't it?
Yes, let's all add CYANIDE to our diets.
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"French paradox, anyone? "
French have different genes than Americans. Thats not a paradox. If a study is done about CHD incidence on French in France and French in America, then you can say that. I don't know about the French but a study was done on Japanese in Japan and Japanese in America and the latter clearly had an increased risk of CHD compared to the former.0 -
"French paradox, anyone? "
French have different genes than Americans. Thats not a paradox. If a study is done about CHD incidence on French in France and French in America, then you can say that. I don't know about the French but a study was done on Japanese in Japan and Japanese in America and the latter clearly had an increased risk of CHD compared to the former.
My point being that you can't point to a single nutrient and name it the culprit of all evils across the world.0 -
"there is no direct correlation or inconclusive correlation between saturated fat intake and the risk of CHD. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturated_fat#Cardiovascular_disease
Out of the 12 studies mentioned, 10 clearly point to a direct evidence of an increased risk of CHD with an increased intake of saturated fat.0 -
Yes, let's all add CYANIDE to our diets.
:noway: :huh:
I think there's a little more to it than that...and you took my statement in its simplest form. I never recommended eating pure CYANIDE...I recommended eating Canadian apricot pits. From my understanding, the CYANIDE is contained in the form of a vitamin that your body can't break down into its component parts. Thus, the CYANIDE can't harm you...but does have a direct impact on the cancer cells. Ask his doctor, I'm just repeating what was told to me by the most honorable, honest, and trustworthy friend I've ever had in my life...the guy that's living through this. He's eaten enough apricot pits in the last six months (and yes, they are genetically unaltered Canadian apricots KNOWN to contain CYANIDE) to kill a herd of elephants, if it was in a form able to harm him.
By the way, thanks for reminding me of the proper spelling lol...rather embarrassing to have spelled it wrong in the first place be honest =D.
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"there is no direct correlation or inconclusive correlation between saturated fat intake and the risk of CHD. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturated_fat#Cardiovascular_disease
Out of the 12 studies mentioned, 10 clearly point to a direct evidence of an increased risk of CHD with an increased intake of saturated fat.
They don't point to an absolute independent relationship.
Sorry, try again.0 -
You mean getting subjects to eat saturated fat and wait till they die of Heart Attack??
P.S. - Not trying to win an argument here. There is enough evidence to prove that substituting Saturated Fats with MUFA and PUFA significantly reduces the risk of CHD and Stroke and that is good enough for me to make that change.0 -
Not one clinical trial has demonstrated a direct link between the reduction of saturated fat and the reduction of heart disease.
Going back to my point, it's not one single culprit to blame.
And here are two fun long-term studies to check out:
Swedish 12 year study : http://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/6/10/2626/pdf
Framingham Heart Study: http://www.framinghamheartstudy.org/index.html0 -
You mean getting subjects to eat saturated fat and wait till they die of Heart Attack??
P.S. - Not trying to win an argument here. There is enough evidence to prove that substituting Saturated Fats with MUFA and PUFA significantly reduces the risk of CHD and Stroke and that is good enough for me to make that change.
Well I figure by eating my horrible diet that contains some saturated fats from coconut oil, beef tallow, and butter, I'll immediately drop over dead at age 60 and save my children the expense of dragging my sick, feeble self to a nursing home.
If my ancestors and dear Julia Child were able to live to ripe old ages and maintain healthy weights eating the above, well then, maybe I'll beat my expectations!0
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