avoiding carbs makes you lose weight
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"Our bodies were not designed to eat carbs and can do very well without them."
That right there made me completely disregard the legitimacy of your guru. I'm sorry, I don't mean to be rude. But there's a reason carbs are the biggest part of the food triangle. Our body needs them.
Your body stores carbs in muscles. Carbs are necessary for your Retinas to work, your central nervous system, your immune system and your muscles, it goes on. You need carbs.
The reason people lose weight by keeping out carbs is that your body will cannibalize your muscle to get the carbs needed for other systems. It cannot make them with other things, unlike proteins. Muscle weighs more then fat, so you'll lose weight, and fast, but when you're done your metabolism will be lower then when you started.
Moderation is the key. Limit your carbs, but don't completely cut them out.
Go and rent the video FATHEAD and then we can talk. The food pyramid reflects the governments need to promote grain consumption to lift the economy. It is politics, pure and simple. It has nothing, what so ever to do with nutrition.0 -
Not specifically related to this topic (because people lost weight with higher carbs too, just at a slower pace), but I thought it was interesting...
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/low-carb-diets-hurt-arteries/story?id=137283820 -
What you eat does not classify you as an herbivore, omnivore, carnivore, etc.. your digestive system and biochemical needs do. Humans do not fit any of them.
The term "real simple" must simply escape you or you're trying to be difficult on purpose. Until they find the proper term for our digestive system I'm going with what fits us the closest and that would be omnivore. Thank you very much.
Really? I've read that the human digestive tract most closely resembles animals that are herbivorous.
No way. It does not resemble a herbivourous g.i. tract at all. It is actually very comparable to a carnivore's system0 -
What you eat does not classify you as an herbivore, omnivore, carnivore, etc.. your digestive system and biochemical needs do. Humans do not fit any of them.
The term "real simple" must simply escape you or you're trying to be difficult on purpose. Until they find the proper term for our digestive system I'm going with what fits us the closest and that would be omnivore. Thank you very much.
Really? I've read that the human digestive tract most closely resembles animals that are herbivorous.
No way. It does not resemble a herbivourous g.i. tract at all. It is actually very comparable to a carnivore's system
No, I know that's not true. Carnivores have a very short digestive tract because they don't have to break down all the fiber in vegetation. My question was about the difference between herbivore and omnivore. Obviously we can and do eat meat so that makes sense. But I'll just Google it.0 -
Thought this a great article that might help with the discussion-
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/magazine/what-if-it-s-all-been-a-big-fat-lie.html0 -
What you eat does not classify you as an herbivore, omnivore, carnivore, etc.. your digestive system and biochemical needs do. Humans do not fit any of them.
The term "real simple" must simply escape you or you're trying to be difficult on purpose. Until they find the proper term for our digestive system I'm going with what fits us the closest and that would be omnivore. Thank you very much.
Really? I've read that the human digestive tract most closely resembles animals that are herbivorous.
No way. It does not resemble a herbivourous g.i. tract at all. It is actually very comparable to a carnivore's system
No, I know that's not true. Carnivores have a very short digestive tract because they don't have to break down all the fiber in vegetation. My question was about the difference between herbivore and omnivore. Obviously we can and do eat meat so that makes sense. But I'll just Google it.
Wow, there is just a whole lot of crap information out there. :huh: But someone on either this thread or another (I can't remember said that the human digestive tract was more like a big garbage disposal. I think that poster was probably correct given the information below. And it makes sense given all the garbage people eat.
http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/dce/ans312/one/gi_classify_trans.htm
"Swine are classified as nonruminant omnivores. Note the relatively small cecum, located post-gastric and post-absorptive. The GI tract of swine, compared to other domestic animals, most closely resembles the human GI tract."0 -
I've been reading all of these posts and I am beginning to cut back on carbs to help shake things up a bit. I was wondering if anyone knows of a website that has a good list of low or no carb foods? I did a google search but it was a little overwhelming. I just had scrambled eggs for breakfast - dairy - is this OK? I think they are low on carbs but what about dairy? What about cottage cheese? I know - I need to read some labels but a list would be so helpful!
Thank you.0 -
A good first step toward reducing your carb intake would be to based your meals on fresh, lean meats and cruciferous vegetables.
Eggs are obviously fine..cottage cheese (unflavored) is fine. Milk is OK too, depending on just how low you want to go with your carb intake.0 -
I've been reading all of these posts and I am beginning to cut back on carbs to help shake things up a bit. I was wondering if anyone knows of a website that has a good list of low or no carb foods? I did a google search but it was a little overwhelming. I just had scrambled eggs for breakfast - dairy - is this OK? I think they are low on carbs but what about dairy? What about cottage cheese? I know - I need to read some labels but a list would be so helpful!
Thank you.
www.diabetes.org Go to the experts. The site is focused on controlling and preventing diabetes so it's all about healthy low carb living. It's a great resource even if you don't have a metabolic disorder.0 -
Really? I've read that the human digestive tract most closely resembles animals that are herbivorous.
No way. It does not resemble a herbivourous g.i. tract at all. It is actually very comparable to a carnivore's system
No, I know that's not true. Carnivores have a very short digestive tract because they don't have to break down all the fiber in vegetation. My question was about the difference between herbivore and omnivore. Obviously we can and do eat meat so that makes sense. But I'll just Google it.
You are misinformed. Herbivores are either fore-gut fermentors, like sheep and cows, and have huge four-compartment stomachs (nothing like humans), or hind-gut fermentors like horses or rabbits, where they have huge colons, where the bulk of the digestion occurs. Human digestive tracts are much more comparable to something like a cat (obligate carnivore) or dogs ( Carnivore / omnivore).0 -
Really? I've read that the human digestive tract most closely resembles animals that are herbivorous.
No way. It does not resemble a herbivourous g.i. tract at all. It is actually very comparable to a carnivore's system
No, I know that's not true. Carnivores have a very short digestive tract because they don't have to break down all the fiber in vegetation. My question was about the difference between herbivore and omnivore. Obviously we can and do eat meat so that makes sense. But I'll just Google it.
You are misinformed. Herbivores are either fore-gut fermentors, like sheep and cows, and have huge four-compartment stomachs (nothing like humans), or hind-gut fermentors like horses or rabbits, where they have huge colons, where the bulk of the digestion occurs. Human digestive tracts are much more comparable to something like a cat (obligate carnivore) or dogs ( Carnivore / omnivore).
Actually based on their guts both cats and dogs are carnivore, which I found a little startling since so many are fed a diet of primary corn. But we don't closely match them. We're pigs. No surprise there.0 -
But wait – what about our eight times body length small intestine? Carnivores’ small intestines are around three times their body length, while herbivores have much longer ones, right?
Actually, when measured from *kitten* to mouth (the real distance that matters), our 8 to 1 ratio lies roughly in the middle of the pack between obligate carnivores like dogs (3.5 to 1) and cats (3 to 1), and herbivores like cows (20 to 1) and horses (12 to 1). How perfect is that? The obligate omnivore is nestled right in between the carnivore and the herbivore.
Besides, intestinal length isn’t even the best way to determine dietary need. An animal’s particular arsenal of digestive organs is. Actual herbivores have special organs designated for breaking down cellulose – multi-compartmental stomachs, for example. We have but one, and it absolutely cannot break down cellulose to any significant degree. If we were herbivores, we might even have rabbit-like cecums, highly developed digestive sacs that do the brunt of the digestive work for hindgut digesters. I almost wish we had that capability, if only for the advantage of cecotropes – fecal pellets high in vitamins, nutrients, and proteins that rabbits expel for later consumption. Delicious.
Our measly little stomachs can’t handle all that fiber. If a person really wanted to be a true herbivore, he or she’d have to chew cud for hours (that’s why cows are known for chewing cud – it’s a way to predigest all that tough stuff), vomit it up after a little digestive work in the stomach, and repeat the process. Thanks, but I’ll just take some steak with my salad.
And, like clockwork, they interrupt with:
Okay, maybe we did eat some meat, but we were scavengers fighting over scraps. Meat wasn’t a big part of our diet!
Not if you believe the fossil evidence that shows hominids actually manipulated bones “on which flesh was abundant… rather than defleshed from field kills.” We weren’t just starving opportunists. We actively hunted animals, large and small, to obtain large amounts of meat and fat. The only way to get your hands on an intact carcass loaded with delicious flesh – as the evidence clearly shows our ancestors did so on a regular basis – is to kill it yourself. Waiting around for the lions to have their share is hyena territory, scavenger stuff. You don’t become the ultimate predator and propagate your species across the entire globe by solely scavenging for bone scraps – although we did plenty of that, too, as fossil records show evidence of bone marrow extraction from two million years ago using complex stone tools.
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/meat-eating-human-evolution/0 -
Really? I've read that the human digestive tract most closely resembles animals that are herbivorous.
No way. It does not resemble a herbivourous g.i. tract at all. It is actually very comparable to a carnivore's system
No, I know that's not true. Carnivores have a very short digestive tract because they don't have to break down all the fiber in vegetation. My question was about the difference between herbivore and omnivore. Obviously we can and do eat meat so that makes sense. But I'll just Google it.
You are misinformed. Herbivores are either fore-gut fermentors, like sheep and cows, and have huge four-compartment stomachs (nothing like humans), or hind-gut fermentors like horses or rabbits, where they have huge colons, where the bulk of the digestion occurs. Human digestive tracts are much more comparable to something like a cat (obligate carnivore) or dogs ( Carnivore / omnivore).
Actually based on their guts both cats and dogs are carnivore, which I found a little startling since so many are fed a diet of primary corn. But we don't closely match them. We're pigs. No surprise there.
Whatever.
Thank you HPSnickers for weighing in. We (humans) are actually in the middle in the spectrum of things. My point was if you look at overall 'design', our g.i. tract is much more carnivore than herbivore in nature.0 -
Two questions, in the context of the OP.
1. In what way does the length and structure of our GI tracts translate to weight loss?
2. More specifically, how does it translate to CHO restriction for weight loss?0 -
i didn't read anyone else's response....but dairy is so uneccisary for our bodies....we don't need it to survive....its just one of those enjoyments we get....we can get vitamin d from the sun and calcium from other sources....but wheat is from the ground and was made for us to eat. Everything is good in moderation, and the body does need carbs to function, it just doesn't need 900 carbs a day. Thats my two cents
ps. there is carbs in vegetables, so if we don't "need" carbs, what in the hell would we eat? meat all day long? no thanks, ill eat my carb filled salad and have enjoyments in life0 -
Two questions, in the context of the OP.
1. In what way does the length and structure of our GI tracts translate to weight loss?
2. More specifically, how does it translate to CHO restriction for weight loss?
It doesn't. I just couldn't resist pointing out the error in argument, even though it didn't have any bearing on the actual discussion, and now it has taken on a whole life of its own. I am done with the digression.0 -
"Our bodies were not designed to eat carbs and can do very well without them."
That right there made me completely disregard the legitimacy of your guru. I'm sorry, I don't mean to be rude. But there's a reason carbs are the biggest part of the food triangle. Our body needs them.
Your body stores carbs in muscles. Carbs are necessary for your Retinas to work, your central nervous system, your immune system and your muscles, it goes on. You need carbs.
The reason people lose weight by keeping out carbs is that your body will cannibalize your muscle to get the carbs needed for other systems. It cannot make them with other things, unlike proteins. Muscle weighs more then fat, so you'll lose weight, and fast, but when you're done your metabolism will be lower then when you started.
Moderation is the key. Limit your carbs, but don't completely cut them out.
Go and rent the video FATHEAD and then we can talk. The food pyramid reflects the governments need to promote grain consumption to lift the economy. It is politics, pure and simple. It has nothing, what so ever to do with nutrition.
Yes, by all means don't listen to the government. They are all about money!! ...unlike the move industry. :laugh:0 -
Two questions, in the context of the OP.
1. In what way does the length and structure of our GI tracts translate to weight loss?
2. More specifically, how does it translate to CHO restriction for weight loss?
It doesn't. I just couldn't resist pointing out the error in argument, even though it didn't have any bearing on the actual discussion, and now it has taken on a whole life of its own. I am done with the digression.
No problem:-) I just didn't feel like reading the entire posts and wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything in the context of the OP.
Thanks!0 -
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Your body doesn't "need" carbs, it all comes down to preference. I personally find that I function better while ingesting carbs, BUT, if you choose to limit your carbohydrates, your body will adapt just fine.0 -
Yes, by all means don't listen to the government. They are all about money!! ...unlike the move industry. :laugh:
Ok this made me laugh....even though i like my documentaries....0
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