Paleo Diet

Azuleelan

so enjoyed this thread! I think living like a caveman is silly, didn't they live til they were like 30? i found both points very interesting and very informative, but to say that eating meat is better than eating grain, well i'm sure there is a few vegans that can argue that too! Eventually they find something wrong with everything, don't do this it will give you that etc. so i say have a little bit of everything in moderation! WTH its all gunna end up bad for you anyway! love the passion on this site!

You mean sunken-eyed, gas-expelling, green-looking vegans? lol! Sorry, couldn't hold it

Chuckw40

so enjoyed this thread! I think living like a caveman is silly, didn't they live til they were like 30? i found both points very interesting and very informative, but to say that eating meat is better than eating grain, well i'm sure there is a few vegans that can argue that too! Eventually they find something wrong with everything, don't do this it will give you that etc. so i say have a little bit of everything in moderation! WTH its all gunna end up bad for you anyway! love the passion on this site!

Cavemen died for a number of reasons that we survive easily, not the least of which was the lack of antibiotics. We are fortunate to live in a world where a broken leg is usually not a death sentence.

That being said, I don't think it's about living like a caveman but more about evolution. The Human species evolved for millions of years to eat meat,fruit,veggies,berries, and nuts. We have only been consuming grains for about 15,000 years and that is not long enough for us to evolve to the point where we should be basing our diet on them.

Chuckw40

Smart man.

for a quick, well not real quick, but if you have a couple hours to kill you should watch, in this order, supersize me, and Fat Head, you can find them for free on HULU

Have seen them. Since I've gone and hijacked this thread, was there anything specific about them you wanted me to see?

If you watched Fathead you would have heard all about the Lipid Hypothesis as he talks about it at length. maybe you could watch that part again.

freerange

Smart man.

for a quick, well not real quick, but if you have a couple hours to kill you should watch, in this order, supersize me, and Fat Head, you can find them for free on HULU

Have seen them. Since I've gone and hijacked this thread, was there anything specific about them you wanted me to see?

In fathead he talks about the lipid Hypothesis , and although he doesn’t advocate Paloe/Primal eating, he backs up a lot of his claims with research, and a lot of his claims back up Paleo. He talks in length about the high carb low fat diet and why it’s (in his words) Bologna.

bcattoes

What I said earlier holds true though, I don't usually pick on vegetarians/vegans. I probably still won't.

Smart man.

for a quick, well not real quick, but if you have a couple hours to kill you should watch, in this order, supersize me, and Fat Head, you can find them for free on HULU

And Food Inc.

Chuckw40

Smart man.

for a quick, well not real quick, but if you have a couple hours to kill you should watch, in this order, supersize me, and Fat Head, you can find them for free on HULU

Have seen them. Since I've gone and hijacked this thread, was there anything specific about them you wanted me to see?

In fathead he talks about the lipid Hypothesis , and although he doesn’t advocate Paloe/Primal eating, he backs up a lot of his claims with research, and a lot of his claims back up Paleo. He talks in length about the high carb low fat diet and why it’s (in his words) Bologna.

Ditto

bcattoes

Smart man.

for a quick, well not real quick, but if you have a couple hours to kill you should watch, in this order, supersize me, and Fat Head, you can find them for free on HULU

Have seen them. Since I've gone and hijacked this thread, was there anything specific about them you wanted me to see?

In fathead he talks about the lipid Hypothesis , and although he doesn’t advocate Paloe/Primal eating, he backs up a lot of his claims with research, and a lot of his claims back up Paleo. He talks in length about the high carb low fat diet and why it’s (in his words) Bologna.

What reputable health organization promotes high carb low fat diets? Most promote eating unsaturated fats and healthy carbs (i.e. high fiber carbs), while limiting saturated fats and simple carbs.

freerange

Smart man.

for a quick, well not real quick, but if you have a couple hours to kill you should watch, in this order, supersize me, and Fat Head, you can find them for free on HULU

Have seen them. Since I've gone and hijacked this thread, was there anything specific about them you wanted me to see?

In fathead he talks about the lipid Hypothesis , and although he doesn’t advocate Paloe/Primal eating, he backs up a lot of his claims with research, and a lot of his claims back up Paleo. He talks in length about the high carb low fat diet and why it’s (in his words) Bologna.

What reputable health organization promotes high carb low fat diets? Most promote eating unsaturated fats and healthy carbs (i.e. high fiber carbs), while limiting saturated fats and simple carbs.

The FDA, oh wait you said reputable, my bad.

Teemo

If you watched Fathead you would have heard all about the Lipid Hypothesis as he talks about it at length. maybe you could watch that part again.

...what.

In fathead he talks about the lipid Hypothesis , and although he doesn’t advocate Paloe/Primal eating, he backs up a lot of his claims with research, and a lot of his claims back up Paleo. He talks in length about the high carb low fat diet and why it’s (in his words) Bologna.

...what. I'll look into Fat Head, maybe I'm thinking of something else. If you want to make things simpler for me, tell me what research he claims supports paleo/primal eating?

freerange

The healthiest type of diet plan is a balanced diet which includes foods from all food groups in the Food Pyramid. According to the food pyramid, all fats and oils should be eaten sparingly. This means your diet should be low in fat, especially saturated fat. As a rough guide, no more than about 30 percent of your calories should be eaten in the form of fat.

Chuckw40

If you watched Fathead you would have heard all about the Lipid Hypothesis as he talks about it at length. maybe you could watch that part again.

...what.

In fathead he talks about the lipid Hypothesis , and although he doesn’t advocate Paloe/Primal eating, he backs up a lot of his claims with research, and a lot of his claims back up Paleo. He talks in length about the high carb low fat diet and why it’s (in his words) Bologna.

...what. I'll look into Fat Head, maybe I'm thinking of something else. If you want to make things simpler for me, tell me what research he claims supports paleo/primal eating?

Here ya go, take a gander at this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8WA5wcaHp4

Teemo

Here ya go, take a gander at this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8WA5wcaHp4

Thanks. I will. I'd also like to make sure we distinguish between (1) the paleo diet, (2) a low carb diet, (3) a no carb diet, and (4) a diet avoiding processed foods.

They are not synonymous.

hpsnickers1

I decided to try Primal - just to try it out and see what it did for me. It is along the same lines but not as strict.

I've cut out anything that will cause my blood glucose levels to rise and my body to start pumping out too much insulin which promotes fat storage and causes health issues. I keep my protein moderate and strength train. This has forced my body to switch back over to fat - burning. Cutting out grains, legumes and sugars have helped my Fibromyalgia pain (sugar mainly) and my IBS and PMS issues go away for good. And you can see in my signature what it is doing for my weight. My body is the happiest it has ever been and that goes all the way back to early childhood. I have stopped losing hair like I was going bald. My skin feels amazing.

I believe that the biggest issue of consuming grains is that they are lacking in a lot on nutrients and they are replacing more nutritious foods like fruits and veggies. I don't think they should be our biggest source of food. This is just my opinion.

I don't know what it will do for you - try it for a while and see.

bcattoes

Smart man.

for a quick, well not real quick, but if you have a couple hours to kill you should watch, in this order, supersize me, and Fat Head, you can find them for free on HULU

Have seen them. Since I've gone and hijacked this thread, was there anything specific about them you wanted me to see?

In fathead he talks about the lipid Hypothesis , and although he doesn’t advocate Paloe/Primal eating, he backs up a lot of his claims with research, and a lot of his claims back up Paleo. He talks in length about the high carb low fat diet and why it’s (in his words) Bologna.

What reputable health organization promotes high carb low fat diets? Most promote eating unsaturated fats and healthy carbs (i.e. high fiber carbs), while limiting saturated fats and simple carbs.

The FDA, oh wait you said reputable, my bad.

I'm no fan of the FDA, and I wasn't even aware they had diet recommentdaions. The USDA on the other hand recommends eating unstaurated fats:

http://www.mypyramid.gov/pyramid/oils_why.html "Most of the fats you eat should be polyunsaturated (PUFA) or monounsaturated (MUFA) fats. Oils are the major source of MUFAs and PUFAs in the diet. PUFAs contain some fatty acids that are necessary for health—called “essential fatty acids.”

As do the most other health organizations and nutritionists.

Chuckw40

Here ya go, take a gander at this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8WA5wcaHp4

Thanks. I will. I'd also like to make sure we distinguish between (1) the paleo diet, (2) a low carb diet, (3) a no carb diet, and (4) a diet avoiding processed foods.

They are not synonymous.

That is fair enough. Part of the issue here is that "caveman,paleo,primal" get thrown around too much. I think most of us that are "paleo" subscribe to low carb on the basis that you get all your carbs from fruits and veggies. I also believe that most people know that processed foods are probably not the best thing for our bodies and should be avoided.

Chuckw40

Smart man.

for a quick, well not real quick, but if you have a couple hours to kill you should watch, in this order, supersize me, and Fat Head, you can find them for free on HULU

Have seen them. Since I've gone and hijacked this thread, was there anything specific about them you wanted me to see?

In fathead he talks about the lipid Hypothesis , and although he doesn’t advocate Paloe/Primal eating, he backs up a lot of his claims with research, and a lot of his claims back up Paleo. He talks in length about the high carb low fat diet and why it’s (in his words) Bologna.

What reputable health organization promotes high carb low fat diets? Most promote eating unsaturated fats and healthy carbs (i.e. high fiber carbs), while limiting saturated fats and simple carbs.

The FDA, oh wait you said reputable, my bad.

I'm no fan of the FDA, and I wasn't even aware they had diet recommentdaions. The USDA on the other hand recommends eating unstaurated fats:

http://www.mypyramid.gov/pyramid/oils_why.html "Most of the fats you eat should be polyunsaturated (PUFA) or monounsaturated (MUFA) fats. Oils are the major source of MUFAs and PUFAs in the diet. PUFAs contain some fatty acids that are necessary for health—called “essential fatty acids.”

As do the most other health organizations and nutritionists.

Taken from the FDA website

A Lesson in Body Chemistry

"Many consumers are already aware that it's a good idea to limit saturated fat and cholesterol in their diet...but trans fat is a less familiar term. When it comes to trans fat and your body, here's how it works:

* Like saturated fat and cholesterol, trans fat raises low-density lipoprotein (LDL, or "bad") cholesterol in the blood, which increases the risk of developing coronary heart disease.
* Trans fat also lowers high-density lipoprotein (HDL, or "good") cholesterol in the blood.
* To reduce the risk of developing coronary heart disease, the goal is to decrease your overall level of LDL cholesterol. Reducing the amount of saturated fat, trans fat, and cholesterol in your diet may help decrease your LDL cholesterol level."

bcattoes

Smart man.

for a quick, well not real quick, but if you have a couple hours to kill you should watch, in this order, supersize me, and Fat Head, you can find them for free on HULU

Have seen them. Since I've gone and hijacked this thread, was there anything specific about them you wanted me to see?

In fathead he talks about the lipid Hypothesis , and although he doesn’t advocate Paloe/Primal eating, he backs up a lot of his claims with research, and a lot of his claims back up Paleo. He talks in length about the high carb low fat diet and why it’s (in his words) Bologna.

What reputable health organization promotes high carb low fat diets? Most promote eating unsaturated fats and healthy carbs (i.e. high fiber carbs), while limiting saturated fats and simple carbs.

The FDA, oh wait you said reputable, my bad.

I'm no fan of the FDA, and I wasn't even aware they had diet recommentdaions. The USDA on the other hand recommends eating unstaurated fats:

http://www.mypyramid.gov/pyramid/oils_why.html "Most of the fats you eat should be polyunsaturated (PUFA) or monounsaturated (MUFA) fats. Oils are the major source of MUFAs and PUFAs in the diet. PUFAs contain some fatty acids that are necessary for health—called “essential fatty acids.”

As do the most other health organizations and nutritionists.

Taken from the FDA website

A Lesson in Body Chemistry

"Many consumers are already aware that it's a good idea to limit saturated fat and cholesterol in their diet...but trans fat is a less familiar term. When it comes to trans fat and your body, here's how it works:

* Like saturated fat and cholesterol, trans fat raises low-density lipoprotein (LDL, or "bad") cholesterol in the blood, which increases the risk of developing coronary heart disease.
* Trans fat also lowers high-density lipoprotein (HDL, or "good") cholesterol in the blood.
* To reduce the risk of developing coronary heart disease, the goal is to decrease your overall level of LDL cholesterol. Reducing the amount of saturated fat, trans fat, and cholesterol in your diet may help decrease your LDL cholesterol level."

Good advice (even if it is from the organization that for years ignored the poisons in plastic bottles). That is not recommending a low fat diet, it's recommending a low saturated and trans fat diet. Big difference.

Chuckw40

Good advice (even if it is from the organization that for years ignored the poisons in plastic bottles). That is not recommending a low fat diet, it's recommending a low saturated and trans fat diet. Big difference.

What you are missing is that many people are challenging this way of thinking and believe that saturated fat is not bad for you at all. Trans fats were pushed on us by these same people claiming that they were so much more healthy than the natural alternative, saturated fat. Now they are banning the stuff left and right. All this is based on the faulty premise of the Lypid Hypothesis.

hpsnickers1

What do people know about the Paleo diet? Is it a fad? Is it healthly to do? I have about 50 pounds I want to lose but need a serious kick-start!

Bet you weren't expecting what you got, were you?

Teemo

What you are missing is that many people are challenging this way of thinking and believe that saturated fat is not bad for you at all. Trans fats were pushed on us by these same people claiming that they were so much more healthy than the natural alternative, saturated fat. Now they are banning the stuff left and right. All this is based on the faulty premise of the Lypid Hypothesis.

I think most of us agree that the food pyramid is dumb. But the carbophobia that is rampant right now is... it's a little out of control. Most carb-controlled diets are simply calorie restriction diets.

That is probably fine for just losing weight (fat/muscle) but carbs are not the enemy. In fact, for athletes and people looking to get into shape, carbs are invaluable.

The paleo diet isn't a carbophobic diet but it's a... something-grain-phobic diet which isn't very much better, in my opinion. If it is working for you, then by all means, stick with it... but there's very little proof by way of causation that any improvements in your health are due to the elimination of grains from your diet. Unless you have gluten allergies, any results you get on the paleo diet can be replicated easily without the wholesale omission of an entire food group.

Which was my original point.

Teemo

Really an all-salmon diet would probably result in improvements across the board for health markers as well, especially compared to how most people eat. I may start that one. The Grizzly Diet?

Chuckw40

What you are missing is that many people are challenging this way of thinking and believe that saturated fat is not bad for you at all. Trans fats were pushed on us by these same people claiming that they were so much more healthy than the natural alternative, saturated fat. Now they are banning the stuff left and right. All this is based on the faulty premise of the Lypid Hypothesis.

I think most of us agree that the food pyramid is dumb. But the carbophobia that is rampant right now is... it's a little out of control. Most carb-controlled diets are simply calorie restriction diets.

That is probably fine for just losing weight (fat/muscle) but carbs are not the enemy. In fact, for athletes and people looking to get into shape, carbs are invaluable.

The paleo diet isn't a carbophobic diet but it's a... something-grain-phobic diet which isn't very much better, in my opinion. If it is working for you, then by all means, stick with it... but there's very little proof by way of causation that any improvements in your health are due to the elimination of grains from your diet. Unless you have gluten allergies, any results you get on the paleo diet can be replicated easily without the wholesale omission of an entire food group.

Which was my original point.

Carbs are not the enemy, an abundance of them is. Most of us are not elite athletes and therefore can't use all the carbs we are ingesting. This leads to us getting fat.

Teemo

Carbs are not the enemy, an abundance of them is. Most of us are not elite athletes and therefore can't use all the carbs we are ingesting. This leads to us getting fat.

I don't even agree with that premise. An abundance of calories will make you fat and cause you to gain weight. Nutritional values aside, 2,000 calories of carbs vs. 2,000 calories of fat vs. 2,000 calories of protein should not have any difference in your bodyweight.

Body composition may be a different issue, but that's more due to the lack of protein in the other two diets.

'course, I would never suggest that and I think a 35/35/30 or a 40/40/20 diet is fine.

Chuckw40

Carbs are not the enemy, an abundance of them is. Most of us are not elite athletes and therefore can't use all the carbs we are ingesting. This leads to us getting fat.

I don't even agree with that premise. An abundance of calories will make you fat and cause you to gain weight. Nutritional values aside, 2,000 calories of carbs vs. 2,000 calories of fat vs. 2,000 calories of protein should not have any difference in your bodyweight.

Body composition may be a different issue, but that's more due to the lack of protein in the other two diets.

'course, I would never suggest that and I think a 35/35/30 or a 40/40/20 diet is fine.

Changing my reply because to be honest, i am no scientist so i can't be sure of any of this. i can just tell you what I believe and that is that getting a large portion of your calories from carbs is a bad thing.

Teemo

I would disagree entirely. In your scenario the person eating the high carbs would definately gain more weight.

Oh, you edited your post. I was going to post a scathing reply! And I still disagree.

Chuckw40

I would disagree entirely. In your scenario the person eating the high carbs would definately gain more weight.

Oh, you edited your post. I was going to post a scathing reply! And I still disagree.

Changed it again on you

Delaina1

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Teemo

Changing my reply because to be honest, i am no scientist so i can't be sure of any of this. i can just tell you what I believe and that is that getting a large portion of your calories from carbs is a bad thing.

Nutritionally you are absolutely correct... but you would be just as correct to say that getting a significant portion of your calories from any of the other macronutrient groups is ALSO bad or AS bad.

One of the problems would be the absence of proteins, which your body does need. And healthy fats, which your body also needs. The effect on WEIGHT however, should be negligible if not identical. Excess carbs do not get transformed to fat... though there are other mechanisms in play and the presence of the carbs may blunt fat oxidation. By the same token, the dreaded "insulin spike" will almost never be an issue when it comes to weight gain.

Truth be told, it's not a fully fleshed out subject. But most of these things aren't... I can only say the current scare over carbs isn't really supported scientifically. As a practical matter for us dieters, cutting out or reducing carbs is a pretty easy thing to keep in mind... especially because you're far more likely to come across a deceptively BAD (nutritionally) carb source than you are a bad protein or fat source.

Is that a whole grain bagel? Is that an enriched flour bagel? Is that a sourdough bagel? Is that bagel made with butter and oil? And so on...

Chuckw40

Changing my reply because to be honest, i am no scientist so i can't be sure of any of this. i can just tell you what I believe and that is that getting a large portion of your calories from carbs is a bad thing.

Nutritionally you are absolutely correct... but you would be just as correct to say that getting a significant portion of your calories from any of the other macronutrient groups is ALSO bad or AS bad.

One of the problems would be the absence of proteins, which your body does need. And healthy fats, which your body also needs. The effect on WEIGHT however, should be negligible if not identical. Excess carbs do not get transformed to fat... though there are other mechanisms in play and the presence of the carbs may blunt fat oxidation. By the same token, the dreaded "insulin spike" will almost never be an issue when it comes to weight gain.

Truth be told, it's not a fully fleshed out subject. But most of these things aren't... I can only say the current scare over carbs isn't really supported scientifically. As a practical matter for us dieters, cutting out or reducing carbs is a pretty easy thing to keep in mind... especially because you're far more likely to come across a deceptively BAD (nutritionally) carb source than you are a bad protein or fat source.

Is that a whole grain bagel? Is that an enriched flour bagel? Is that a sourdough bagel? Is that bagel made with butter and oil? And so on...

See what you are saying about carbs not getting transformed to fat goes against all the research I have been doing.

Teemo

See what you are saying about carbs not getting transformed to fat goes against all the research I have been doing.

Point me in the direction you've been looking! I may be wrong.