Paleo, anyone?
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Please stick to the subject and refrain from personal attacks.
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Stormieweather
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People are denying that paleo is extreme? The main proponents of paleo declare things like dairy, whole grains, and legumes as being a major source, if not THE major source/sole source, of cancer, neurodegenerative diseases, and terrorism.
Are you really going to put up the argument that this kind of thought is NOT extreme?
...really though?
I'm not anti-Paleo but the whole idea that legumes are "poisonous" is so completely ridiculous. I've not read the book but have read several Paleo threads on these boards which have said that. I thought of that last night as I picked legumes from garden, popping several into my mouth before I could make it to the kitchen to cook them up for dinner. They were still warm from the sun and I just couldn't resist.0 -
I've been eating Paleo for two weeks and have already noticed a HUGE difference in my energy level, ability to focus, and just how I generally feel: lighter, happier, healthier. I have told many of my friends that it is not a diet that will work for everyone, but if you are interested, I strongly encourage you to read The Paleo Solution by Robb Wolf (it's an entertaining and informative read) and to research other sources as well. Look into both sides of the argument; it can be a significant lifestyle change and I think anyone considering it should make an informed choice. For me, it has been the best choice I have ever made and I'm never going back! But ultimately, the choice is yours.
(As you can see from the posts above, the Paleo diet can extract heated responses from both sides. Be aware that if you decide to "go Paleo," not everyone will be supportive of your choice. I'm learning to let that be o.k. The Paleo Group on MFP has been an incredible source of support and wisdom for me on my journey, so I encourage you to join us if you decide to try it).
Best of luck to you!
The issue I have with paleo is they (many - but not all) have a tendency to:
A) make claims that aren't founded in research.
judge people who don't eat paleo and pretend their paleo diet is superior.
Don't do those 2 things and we don't have an issue.0 -
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Look. I can't speak for the science, but since starting Paleo I have felt better, gotten leaner, and improved my performance in the gym. That's all the proof I need that thhis works for ME. Do I think people can take it to extremes? Hell yes. Just like everything else out there.I have been reading about Paleo like crazy lately, I have Celiac and thus can't eat most grains, and I'm lactose intolerant and thus can't eat most dairy, I avoid soy and I realized that my body is naturally pointing me in the direction of Paleo, I haven't gone full Paleo yet, but I know that cutting grains literally saved my digestive track because of my celiac.
I haven't heard anything about kidney problems.I'm not anti-Paleo but the whole idea that legumes are "poisonous" is so completely ridiculous. I've not read the book but have read several Paleo threads on these boards which have said that. I thought of that last night as I picked legumes from garden, popping several into my mouth before I could make it to the kitchen to cook them up for dinner. They were still warm from the sun and I just couldn't resist.
"Let's feed a pig 2,000 calories of cereal vs. 2,000 calories of paleo diet - oh my gosh, the paleo pig is healthier!"
Really? Who is surprised by that? And yet the paleo heads hold that up as scientific gospel declaring grains as bad and paleo as the ultimate diet. Really? Has anyone else READ this study? Or did they just take Wolf's word on the results and implications?0 -
Check out paleoplan.com they have great recipes, they also have a membership but you can use the recipes for free. I love them0
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OH MY GOD...That's a really sad story! I'm so sorry to hear that you are going through that. I would never impose what I do on anyone else, I figure everyone is the master of their own body and I truly, truly, believe that different things work for different people - for instance, I tried for years and years to be a vegetarian, and I just kept getting sicker and sicker. I came to the realization that I NEED meat. Really. But thank you for sharing your story and I wish you luck on your own journey!
Like you said, you NEED meat. I'm vegan, have been most my life, and have become violently ill any time I've tried to incorporate non-vegan things into my diet. I truly believe that each path is different, but the paleo path seems a little extreme, like one woman said, her husband took it to the extreme extreme. All diets need a sense of moderation to them to make them an actual lifestyle, and you have to choose the path that's right for you. Good luck with whatever you choose!
LOL ... do you not find it funny that as a Vegan you're calling Paleo extreme?
I'm not picking on your choice of lifestyle at all but I did find this funny. :happy:
No, I do not, and as I have stated in a previous post, I MEANT, that the woman's husband took it to extremes, just like you can do on any diet/lifestyle change. I know extreme vegans, I know extreme Atkin's, I know extreme dieters, period, and no, I don't think that it's funny, because I don't consider myself extreme. Hell, I prepared chicken for my family the other night...I hold no judgements on another person's choice of what to eat, and I would hope that I could be respected in the same way. I only voiced my opinion, which I thought was allowed here, but clearly it's only allowed if you agree or side with one specific viewpoint.0 -
I've been eating Paleo for two weeks and have already noticed a HUGE difference in my energy level, ability to focus, and just how I generally feel: lighter, happier, healthier. I have told many of my friends that it is not a diet that will work for everyone, but if you are interested, I strongly encourage you to read The Paleo Solution by Robb Wolf (it's an entertaining and informative read) and to research other sources as well. Look into both sides of the argument; it can be a significant lifestyle change and I think anyone considering it should make an informed choice. For me, it has been the best choice I have ever made and I'm never going back! But ultimately, the choice is yours.
(As you can see from the posts above, the Paleo diet can extract heated responses from both sides. Be aware that if you decide to "go Paleo," not everyone will be supportive of your choice. I'm learning to let that be o.k. The Paleo Group on MFP has been an incredible source of support and wisdom for me on my journey, so I encourage you to join us if you decide to try it).
Best of luck to you!
The issue I have with paleo is they (many - but not all) have a tendency to:
A) make claims that aren't founded in research.
judge people who don't eat paleo and pretend their paleo diet is superior.
Don't do those 2 things and we don't have an issue.
Thank you for clarifying your position on the Paleo diet - I am glad we can agree that it is a healthy way of eating.
And please don't misunderstand - I wasn't speaking to you personally. I was actually speaking to my OWN experience with certain friends and family acting as if my decision to eat Paleo-style was the end of the world, and only stated that previous posts illustrated the heated and varied responses someone starting out on Paleo can expect to receive.0 -
I've been eating Paleo for two weeks and have already noticed a HUGE difference in my energy level, ability to focus, and just how I generally feel: lighter, happier, healthier. I have told many of my friends that it is not a diet that will work for everyone, but if you are interested, I strongly encourage you to read The Paleo Solution by Robb Wolf (it's an entertaining and informative read) and to research other sources as well. Look into both sides of the argument; it can be a significant lifestyle change and I think anyone considering it should make an informed choice. For me, it has been the best choice I have ever made and I'm never going back! But ultimately, the choice is yours.
(As you can see from the posts above, the Paleo diet can extract heated responses from both sides. Be aware that if you decide to "go Paleo," not everyone will be supportive of your choice. I'm learning to let that be o.k. The Paleo Group on MFP has been an incredible source of support and wisdom for me on my journey, so I encourage you to join us if you decide to try it).
Best of luck to you!
The issue I have with paleo is they (many - but not all) have a tendency to:
A) make claims that aren't founded in research.
judge people who don't eat paleo and pretend their paleo diet is superior.
Don't do those 2 things and we don't have an issue.
I see more judgemental posts towards people eating Paleo than the reverse.0 -
OH MY GOD...That's a really sad story! I'm so sorry to hear that you are going through that. I would never impose what I do on anyone else, I figure everyone is the master of their own body and I truly, truly, believe that different things work for different people - for instance, I tried for years and years to be a vegetarian, and I just kept getting sicker and sicker. I came to the realization that I NEED meat. Really. But thank you for sharing your story and I wish you luck on your own journey!
Like you said, you NEED meat. I'm vegan, have been most my life, and have become violently ill any time I've tried to incorporate non-vegan things into my diet. I truly believe that each path is different, but the paleo path seems a little extreme, like one woman said, her husband took it to the extreme extreme. All diets need a sense of moderation to them to make them an actual lifestyle, and you have to choose the path that's right for you. Good luck with whatever you choose!
LOL ... do you not find it funny that as a Vegan you're calling Paleo extreme?
I'm not picking on your choice of lifestyle at all but I did find this funny. :happy:
No, I do not, and as I have stated in a previous post, I MEANT, that the woman's husband took it to extremes, just like you can do on any diet/lifestyle change. I know extreme vegans, I know extreme Atkin's, I know extreme dieters, period, and no, I don't think that it's funny, because I don't consider myself extreme. Hell, I prepared chicken for my family the other night...I hold no judgements on another person's choice of what to eat, and I would hope that I could be respected in the same way. I only voiced my opinion, which I thought was allowed here, but clearly it's only allowed if you agree or side with one specific viewpoint.
Boy oh boy.
Why did you even show up on this thread?
Did you read what I said? It was meant to be lighthearted and I did say that I wasn't picking on your choice, hence the freakin
smiley face.
Lighten up for God's sake.0 -
Thank you for clarifying your position on the Paleo diet - I am glad we can agree that it is a healthy way of eating.
And please don't misunderstand - I wasn't speaking to you personally. I was actually speaking to my OWN experience with certain friends and family acting as if my decision to eat Paleo-style was the end of the world, and only stated that previous posts illustrated the heated and varied responses someone starting out on Paleo can expect to receive.
I understand you weren't speaking directly at me. No worries! I can promise I would never have an issue with you and your dietary habits because you don't seem to concern yourself with mine.I see more judgemental posts towards people eating Paleo than the reverse.0 -
Boy oh boy.
Why did you even show up on this thread?
Did you read what I said? It was meant to be lighthearted and I did say that I wasn't picking on your choice.
Lighten up for God's sake.
I'm on this thread for the same reason you are. Someone asked for opinions on Paleo and I gave mine. It's a simple reason, really.0 -
I've been eating Paleo for two weeks and have already noticed a HUGE difference in my energy level, ability to focus, and just how I generally feel: lighter, happier, healthier. I have told many of my friends that it is not a diet that will work for everyone, but if you are interested, I strongly encourage you to read The Paleo Solution by Robb Wolf (it's an entertaining and informative read) and to research other sources as well. Look into both sides of the argument; it can be a significant lifestyle change and I think anyone considering it should make an informed choice. For me, it has been the best choice I have ever made and I'm never going back! But ultimately, the choice is yours.
(As you can see from the posts above, the Paleo diet can extract heated responses from both sides. Be aware that if you decide to "go Paleo," not everyone will be supportive of your choice. I'm learning to let that be o.k. The Paleo Group on MFP has been an incredible source of support and wisdom for me on my journey, so I encourage you to join us if you decide to try it).
Best of luck to you!
The issue I have with paleo is they (many - but not all) have a tendency to:
A) make claims that aren't founded in research.
judge people who don't eat paleo and pretend their paleo diet is superior.
Don't do those 2 things and we don't have an issue.
I see more judgemental posts towards people eating Paleo than the reverse.
If you read these boards much it runs both way pretty heavily. The Paleo crowd does tend to get a "I'm better than you" attitude quite often from I've seen. Almost always there are posts saying "they'll never get it" (talking about those that choose a non-Paleo diet). As we poor grain and legume eaters are just oh-so-ignorant.0 -
I've been eating Paleo for two weeks and have already noticed a HUGE difference in my energy level, ability to focus, and just how I generally feel: lighter, happier, healthier. I have told many of my friends that it is not a diet that will work for everyone, but if you are interested, I strongly encourage you to read The Paleo Solution by Robb Wolf (it's an entertaining and informative read) and to research other sources as well. Look into both sides of the argument; it can be a significant lifestyle change and I think anyone considering it should make an informed choice. For me, it has been the best choice I have ever made and I'm never going back! But ultimately, the choice is yours.
(As you can see from the posts above, the Paleo diet can extract heated responses from both sides. Be aware that if you decide to "go Paleo," not everyone will be supportive of your choice. I'm learning to let that be o.k. The Paleo Group on MFP has been an incredible source of support and wisdom for me on my journey, so I encourage you to join us if you decide to try it).
Best of luck to you!
The issue I have with paleo is they (many - but not all) have a tendency to:
A) make claims that aren't founded in research.
judge people who don't eat paleo and pretend their paleo diet is superior.
Don't do those 2 things and we don't have an issue.
So have you ever actually done a Paleo like diet yourself? Just curious...0 -
If you read these boards much it runs both way pretty heavily. The Paleo crowd does tend to get a "I'm better than you" attitude quite often from I've seen. Almost always there are posts saying "they'll never get it" (talking about those that choose a non-Paleo diet). As we poor grain and legume eaters are just oh-so-ignorant.
People who subscribe to paleo, many of them (not all, maybe not most, but most that I personally have encountered) are very holier-than-thou. I'm wrong for eating grains, and I'm worse for believing it's okay. I've been brain washed. I'm not capable of thinking for myself.
Which I find hilarious since I HAVE tracked down the direct sources quoted by Wolf and Cordain, where as many paleo adherents just read the books and assume the presentation of those research studies are 100% accurate. Spoiler alert: they're not.0 -
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Do you guys show up on the HCG threads, too?0 -
If you read these boards much it runs both way pretty heavily. The Paleo crowd does tend to get a "I'm better than you" attitude quite often from I've seen. Almost always there are posts saying "they'll never get it" (talking about those that choose a non-Paleo diet). As we poor grain and legume eaters are just oh-so-ignorant.
People who subscribe to paleo, many of them (not all, maybe not most, but most that I personally have encountered) are very holier-than-thou. I'm wrong for eating grains, and I'm worse for believing it's okay. I've been brain washed. I'm not capable of thinking for myself.
Which I find hilarious since I HAVE tracked down the direct sources quoted by Wolf and Cordain, where as many paleo adherents just read the books and assume the presentation of those research studies are 100% accurate. Spoiler alert: they're not.
Bingo to your bingo :-)0 -
So have you ever actually done a Paleo like diet yourself? Just curious...
How paleo makes individuals feel is not my concern. If someone says they feel better eating paleo, fantastic. More power to them. But don't tell me it's scientifically valid in its claims, and don't tell me it's better than my diet when our macros/micros are probably pretty similar. That's all.0 -
If you read these boards much it runs both way pretty heavily. The Paleo crowd does tend to get a "I'm better than you" attitude quite often from I've seen. Almost always there are posts saying "they'll never get it" (talking about those that choose a non-Paleo diet). As we poor grain and legume eaters are just oh-so-ignorant.
People who subscribe to paleo, many of them (not all, maybe not most, but most that I personally have encountered) are very holier-than-thou. I'm wrong for eating grains, and I'm worse for believing it's okay. I've been brain washed. I'm not capable of thinking for myself.
Which I find hilarious since I HAVE tracked down the direct sources quoted by Wolf and Cordain, where as many paleo adherents just read the books and assume the presentation of those research studies are 100% accurate. Spoiler alert: they're not.
You started off agreeing with me, but then turned it into a "holier than thou" rant, thus making the opposite of my point. Except the first point I made which is that it runs both ways pretty deep. :ohwell:0 -
I've been eating Paleo for two weeks and have already noticed a HUGE difference in my energy level, ability to focus, and just how I generally feel: lighter, happier, healthier. I have told many of my friends that it is not a diet that will work for everyone, but if you are interested, I strongly encourage you to read The Paleo Solution by Robb Wolf (it's an entertaining and informative read) and to research other sources as well. Look into both sides of the argument; it can be a significant lifestyle change and I think anyone considering it should make an informed choice. For me, it has been the best choice I have ever made and I'm never going back! But ultimately, the choice is yours.
(As you can see from the posts above, the Paleo diet can extract heated responses from both sides. Be aware that if you decide to "go Paleo," not everyone will be supportive of your choice. I'm learning to let that be o.k. The Paleo Group on MFP has been an incredible source of support and wisdom for me on my journey, so I encourage you to join us if you decide to try it).
Best of luck to you!
The issue I have with paleo is they (many - but not all) have a tendency to:
A) make claims that aren't founded in research.
judge people who don't eat paleo and pretend their paleo diet is superior.
Don't do those 2 things and we don't have an issue.
I see more judgemental posts towards people eating Paleo than the reverse.
If you read these boards much it runs both way pretty heavily. The Paleo crowd does tend to get a "I'm better than you" attitude quite often from I've seen. Almost always there are posts saying "they'll never get it" (talking about those that choose a non-Paleo diet). As we poor grain and legume eaters are just oh-so-ignorant.
Oh here we go again.
No....people can eat Vegan. Great. People can eat Vegetarian. Great. People can eat "in moderation". Great. People can eat cats, dogs, and unicorns. Great. But around here you mention the word Paleo and all sorts of ideas and assumptions come out of the wood work to the point of being ridiculous.
Frankly, everyone has their opinion....that is FINE. But unless you haven't done Paleo/Primal or whatever lifestyle that is similiar, all you are doing is stouting off the huge amounts of different opinions of other people and other books.
OP-try it and if you like it, than great! Many people don't tolerate grains, dairy and such so it's a great choice. There are people that can take any diet to the extreme...but it really comes down to you.
I'd recommend the book Everyday Paleo...it has a ton of great recipes and ideas, especially if you have kids because no diet should be about eating different from everyone else but Paleo is completely DOABLE for the whole family.
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I've been eating Paleo for two weeks and have already noticed a HUGE difference in my energy level, ability to focus, and just how I generally feel: lighter, happier, healthier. I have told many of my friends that it is not a diet that will work for everyone, but if you are interested, I strongly encourage you to read The Paleo Solution by Robb Wolf (it's an entertaining and informative read) and to research other sources as well. Look into both sides of the argument; it can be a significant lifestyle change and I think anyone considering it should make an informed choice. For me, it has been the best choice I have ever made and I'm never going back! But ultimately, the choice is yours.
(As you can see from the posts above, the Paleo diet can extract heated responses from both sides. Be aware that if you decide to "go Paleo," not everyone will be supportive of your choice. I'm learning to let that be o.k. The Paleo Group on MFP has been an incredible source of support and wisdom for me on my journey, so I encourage you to join us if you decide to try it).
Best of luck to you!
The issue I have with paleo is they (many - but not all) have a tendency to:
A) make claims that aren't founded in research.
judge people who don't eat paleo and pretend their paleo diet is superior.
Don't do those 2 things and we don't have an issue.
I see more judgemental posts towards people eating Paleo than the reverse.
If you read these boards much it runs both way pretty heavily. The Paleo crowd does tend to get a "I'm better than you" attitude quite often from I've seen. Almost always there are posts saying "they'll never get it" (talking about those that choose a non-Paleo diet). As we poor grain and legume eaters are just oh-so-ignorant.
Oh here we go again.
No....people can eat Vegan. Great. People can eat Vegetarian. Great. People can eat "in moderation". Great. People can eat cats, dogs, and unicorns. Great. But around here you mention the word Paleo and all sorts of ideas and assumptions come out of the wood work to the point of being ridiculous.
Frankly, everyone has their opinion....that is FINE. But unless you haven't done Paleo/Primal or whatever lifestyle that is similiar, all you are doing is stouting off the huge amounts of different opinions of other people and other books.
OP-try it and if you like it, than great! Many people don't tolerate grains, dairy and such so it's a great choice. There are people that can take any diet to the extreme...but it really comes down to you.
I'd recommend the book Everyday Paleo...it has a ton of great recipes and ideas, especially if you have kids because no diet should be about eating different from everyone else but Paleo is completely DOABLE for the whole family.
PEACE!
No? No what? My observation was not about anyone on this board or any one person. I was my observation of the posts inspired on Paleo boards. I don't care who eats Paleo, unless it was someone I cared about. Then I'd make an effort to learn more about it. People gotta do what works for them. I have no intention of trying it because I love grains and beans. Those are my diet staples. And it works for me. No tummy troubles, weight and blood work under control. It's all good. FOR ME.0 -
Apparently, the ones who really follow this believe people should only eat 'wild game.' However, I very much doubt they are running after this game and kiling it themselves with handmade stone weapons! Also, why would anyone want to try to replicate the diet from a time period when the average life expectancy was 40 if you were lucky? I wouldn't ever wreak havoc on my kidneys like that diet does...
*****Right on target my friend> >> > > perfect diet to rip up your insides. .. . ****** . .. . years ago I tried atkins and was already sworn off red meat. .. then I took nutrition and found out the real cruxt of the matter, and what it does and doen't supply your body with. .. . My advice. . do some investigation. .. .
First invalid statement is the life expectancy ...they died from accidents, child birthing issues, massive infections... not dietary issues. Many who survived life lived extremely long, healthy lives. (90's)
The kidney fallacy- My sister had a kidney transplant and gained weight from the prednesone and her nephrologist put her on Atkins to lose weight. High fat diets are actually quite healthy for kidney patients and can help reverse their disease. Notice I didn't say high protein... most Primal/Atkins followers eat rather moderate protein to fat to carb ratios.0 -
Ok, and that's great.....no one is telling you to eat Paleo! That's the point! But when someone asks about Paleo and Paleo eaters provide feedback, it gets all mucked up with the people who just don't like what they read and are against Paleo for X reason..but have never actually tried the lifestyle.
I was meaning "no" as in besides the HCG drops or whatever the diet, that no other diet is bashed as much as Paleo (IMO) on the boards.
Personally, I don't need grains and dairy. Do I like them? You bet. But they make me feel like crap and what they have I can get in other foods. That's all. I feel like that message gets lost so often.
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I'm a total fan of Paleo. It just makes sense. I've been a low carber for 25 years, with no adverse health effects. In fact I'm healthier than anyone I know...and I weigh less! Haven't even suffered from a head cold in over 20 years.
The fear mongers out there will try and steer you away, but don't listen. Read the book. It's fascinating. You can, of course, take it to the extreme....someone just posted that you have to hunt wild game with stones...please.
You can have tremendous success with just concentrating on lean meats, chicken and fish, and eating fruits and veggies.
But hunting wild game with stones would get your exercise in. :laugh:0 -
OP ...
Here are two people who eat a Paleo type diet and have blogs that showcase their food.
Both have an extensive recipe section.
Perhaps you can peruse these for ideas for meals and see if this type of eating is for you.
http://nomnompaleo.com/
http://www.theclothesmakethegirl.com
There are of course many others but these two are my favourites.
Also, if you have others in your family that don't wish to follow this eating plan, it can be as simple as cooking up some rice, quinoa or other grains/seeds to add to their meals. It needn't be difficult for the whole family to enjoy healthy food and everyone can satisfy their particular tastes.
I hope you find what works for you!
Enjoy your day. :flowerforyou:0 -
OP ...
Here are two people who eat a Paleo type diet and have blogs that showcase their food.
Both have an extensive recipe section.
Perhaps you can peruse these for ideas for meals and see if this type of eating is for you.
http://nomnompaleo.com/
http://www.theclothesmakethegirl.com
There are of course many others but these two are my favourites.
Thank you for these resources, btw0 -
Also, if you have others in your family that don't wish to follow this eating plan, it can be as simple as cooking up some rice, quinoa or other grains/seeds to add to their meals. It needn't be difficult for the whole family to enjoy healthy food and everyone can satisfy their particular tastes.
Exactly. I choose to eat this way but don't shove it down my family's throat. I do the cooking so the meal will always consist of some type of meat (for myself the rest will be Paleo) and something that my girlfriend and kids want. They like/want potatoes, etc so I'll make them for them.0 -
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