I need to sleep LESS !

BeautyFromPain

I am sorry I did not word it any better - I do not have a degree in english. Sorry if I accidentally used the wrong word - although I do not see how that means that you people have to be so rude.

To all the people who are being really sweet and giving actual answers - thankyou!
P.S. I am not whining, I am trying to find a solution to this problem!

How is telling you to not be lazy when YOU said I dont get up because im lazy rude?
It seems a pretty reasonable answer to what you yourself said.You do not need a degree in english to know the diffrence between the word lazy and deppression.You seem a wee bit on the sensitive side

And are you unaware of how the words sensitive and depression usually link in?

writtenINthestars

My god...this thread just entered 3rd grade.

OP....you have to just get up. You said the word "lazy"...in that case...say to yourself "do I want to lay in bed and miss out of my life or get up and try to change?!"...and make the choice.

Otherwise, you should really be seeking advice from your doctor vs MFP because if you have past history, no one else is going to be able to give you sound advice except for your doctor.

Good Luck!

FearAnLoathing

I am sorry I did not word it any better - I do not have a degree in english. Sorry if I accidentally used the wrong word - although I do not see how that means that you people have to be so rude.

To all the people who are being really sweet and giving actual answers - thankyou!
P.S. I am not whining, I am trying to find a solution to this problem!

How is telling you to not be lazy when YOU said I dont get up because im lazy rude?
It seems a pretty reasonable answer to what you yourself said.You do not need a degree in english to know the diffrence between the word lazy and deppression.You seem a wee bit on the sensitive side

And are you unaware of how the words sensitive and depression usually link in?

Well god forbid people dont tip toe around you because you have deppression that wasnt even mentioned at first,and try to answer your question going off what you ORGINALLY wrote yourself. I know you seem to think you have been wronged but I just dont see it...sorry

RdySetGO11

Sleep disorders are more common than one might think

ZebraHead

*shrug* My mom said I should have been a doctor. But Alas I am not.

My advice is do not seek professional medical advice on MFP.

Please seek out the appropiate medical advice from medical professionals.

As an aside, I know many folks that have posted here, they are 'good people' and the folks that have come to the defense of the OP are, I am sure 'good people' too. I think fun and games, and defensiveness have twisted this thread. And have made folks a little edgy.

To the OP - :flowerforyou: to everyone else - :smooched:

Sh1tsRainbows

*shrug* My mom said I should have been a doctor. But Alas I am not.

My advice is do not seek professional medical advice on MFP.

Please seek out the appropiate medical advice from medical professionals.

As an aside, I know many folks that have posted here, they are 'good people' and the folks that have come to the defense of the OP are, I am sure 'good people' too. I think fun and games, and defensiveness have twisted this thread. And have made folks a little edgy.

To the OP - :flowerforyou: to everyone else - :smooched:

YES... please seek medical advice from a doctor!!!!!

Dragonwolf

I agree that some of the others were unnecessarily rude, but a lot of them do have a point with setting an alarm and forcing yourself to get out of bed, even if you go to the doctor and find out that you have a sleeping disorder of some sort. Going to bed earlier and forcing yourself to get up will help you establish the routine that will help make it easier to get up in the long run (if for no other reason than out of habit).

Some things you can do:

1. Go to a doctor. Yes, there are sleep specialists dedicated to just your situation, your GP can probably get you a referral. If nothing else, they can rule out the sleep disorders.
2. Go to bed earlier. You know it takes you a while to get to sleep, so plan for it. This might take a while to get down, but it can help in the long run.
3. Set an alarm and make yourself get up. There are a ton of different kinds of alarm clocks. It might be worth checking them out and seeing what one works best for you. Of the not-so-common ones are ones that make you do math problems (if you have a smartphone, check your app store), ones that use light to wake you, ones that use your circadian rhythm, and ones that start off soft and slowly increase in volume or that don't use the typical alarm sound. You can also set a traditional one (preferably with an alarm that is the most grating and annoying to you, so you're compelled to turn it off ASAP) across the room, or even in another room, so that you're forced to get out of bed. Making yourself get up, even if you don't feel like it, will not only help get you into a routine, but also make sure you're actually tired when you go to bed, making the earlier bed time work better.
4. Get outside and get some sun. Some time in the sun provides you with Vitamin D and will stop your body from making melatonin during the day, helping you to be awake and alert.
5. Turn down the lights at night, and try not to stay on the computer too late. The extra light from our technology will also inhibit the production of melatonin, which at night is a bad thing. Dim the lights, do something quiet and relaxing, starting at least an hour before bedtime.
6. Limit the caffeine and sugar. No caffeine or sugar after about 5pm (or even 3pm), and keep it to a small cup of coffee or a single can of soda before then. Both are, of course, substances that increase your energy levels, which is bad in the afternoon.
7. Get out and do stuff. Physical activity, of course, wears out your body, making you more tired in the evenings. If you can, join a gym or a fitness class of some sort, or just go play soccer or something with some friends.
8. Check your meds. You mentioned you have Depression, and that you recently were taken off your meds. Are you on others? Do you absolutely have to be off your meds? Did the sleep issues start after you went off your meds? These are things you'll need to talk with your doctor about, of course, but is worth looking into.
9. Meditate in the evenings. One thing you can do before going to bed is meditate. Meditation doesn't require light, so you can do it in a dark room. It also trains you to force yourself to quiet your mind and relax your body.
10. Don't lay in bed, tossing and turning. This one is somewhat moot if you do have a sleeping disorder, but if you don't, and your sleep issues are simply from bad habits, then you need to retain yourself. This is basic conditioning from Psych 101, ala Pavlov. If you find yourself unable to fall asleep, leave your bedroom for a while. Do something quiet in another room until you feel sleepy again. Lifehacker.com has more info on this technique here - http://lifehacker.com/5821945/train-yourself-to-fall-asleep-faster (they also have a ton of article on sleeping and sleep "hacks," just Google "lifehacker sleep" and you'll find a number of articles with different things you can try).
11. Learn your circadian rhythm. Disorder or no, fighting your circadian rhythms won't get you very far. Learn what yours are (the sleep specialist should be able to help with that), so that you can time your bedtime and wakeup time such that you'll most likely be able to fall asleep and get up more easily.
12. Give any new technique at least a week. Unfortunately, it takes a while for you body to "get it", so don't give up after the first night of trying something new. Stick with it for at least a week to see any results.

No single item is a magic bullet, but each of the above should help you get better sleep, and the more you can do, the better off you'll likely be. Good luck, and here's to a good night's sleep!

BeautyFromPain

Okay I am 19 I know that is no excuse but did not know that it was something you would normally go to the dr about. Sorry, Was just wondering if there was any tips on here that would be useful at all

BeautyFromPain

Also, I wanted some answers soon.

Whereas doctors where I live can be up to a 2 week wait and be very pricey, we do not have the privilege of free doctors in canberra! Well, we have one but has a VERY long waiting list!

Dragonwolf

Also, I wanted some answers soon.

Whereas doctors where I live can be up to a 2 week wait and be very pricey, we do not have the privilege of free doctors in canberra! Well, we have one but has a VERY long waiting list!

For the sake of your health, find a way to scrape up the money to see a specialist (I don't know about where you are, but I know here in the US, most insurance companies will cover or cover more if the specialist is from a referral). You know as well as any of us that not getting good sleep is something that should be taken seriously, just as you take your Depression seriously.

LemonSocks

Also, I wanted some answers soon.

Whereas doctors where I live can be up to a 2 week wait and be very pricey, we do not have the privilege of free doctors in canberra! Well, we have one but has a VERY long waiting list!

Get yourself up at 7 for a couple of days (alarm across the room) and go to bed a bit earlier than normal (which shouldn't be too hard after tiring yourself out on earlier starts). And eat clean (fresh fruit, veggies and meat). But if after two weeks it still hasn't help then the doctor is your only option. No one here can give you any better advice because they aren't certified physicians and/or don't know your medical history so there is nothing else anyone can really advice you.

calliope_music

what about going back on meds? if i am not on anti depressants, i will literally sleep all day. once i was on them for a bit, my sleep cycle became normal again.

Qarol

Some people have thick skin; some people have thin skin; some people are in-between.
What sounds rude to one person may sound perfectly reasonable and logical to another.

BeautyFromPain

Also, I wanted some answers soon.

Whereas doctors where I live can be up to a 2 week wait and be very pricey, we do not have the privilege of free doctors in canberra! Well, we have one but has a VERY long waiting list!

For the sake of your health, find a way to scrape up the money to see a specialist (I don't know about where you are, but I know here in the US, most insurance companies will cover or cover more if the specialist is from a referral). You know as well as any of us that not getting good sleep is something that should be taken seriously, just as you take your Depression seriously.

In Canberra the insurance usualy covers about half the appointment, but what you do is - a) go to the dr and pay b) go to medicare and then get your money back, and when the appt can be anywhere from $65 to $250 (yes one of my appts has cost $250 before) it is hard when you do not know exactly how much you need. Especially when you have a lot of other expenses and not the highest paying job (for the moment). A general check up is $65-$75 but to talk to my GP about my depression, get referrals, meds, etc. was the $250 bill. So to talk about this not so sure how expensive would be but probably a lot.

girlinahat

firstly - why are you not going to bed until midnight? Since it takes about 2/3 hours for you to get to sleep, why not try going to bed a couple of hours earlier?

try exercise in the evening - if you are physically tired this can help

try meditation (this has the added effect of helping with depression), tai chi or qigong.

Try herbal teas or milky drinks before bed.

Try herbal sleep tablet (only if these do not affect any depression meds)

You suggest that you sleep too much, but I think this is because you are not getting enough quality sleep.

Force yourself to get up when your alarm goes off for a week. You may find you are much more tired earlier in the evening. Establish a routine

one other thing that hasn't been mentioned is your bedroom. Separate your living area from your bedroom. Do not read in bed, do not watch tv in bed, do not post on MFP in bed. Make your bedroom area your area for sleeping only. Associate your bed with sleep.

I used to take hours to get to sleep and would happily sleep on. Now I am older I have much more regular sleep patterns.

TDGee

One of the things commonly used to train physicians is the phrase: If you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras. Based on the subjective information provided by the OP in the original post, it seems to me that it was a case of whining. Simple and clear cut. All of the venom that came out after more information was shared, most in the name of "sticking up for someone" Nobody here was victimized, people. Please stop making excuses for things, that's one of the reasons many of us are here. We have excuses for why we got fat or why we can't do anything about our behaviors. Be like you were when you joined this site, take responsibility for yourselves and your actions and stop with the name calling. And please scroll ALL the way to the bottom of the page. Go. Now. Read the disclaimer about medical advice from members.
Get over the righteous indignation. Life is too short and precious for this *kitten*.

leilani♥

I'd guess sleep apnea.

I have sleep apnea. When I wake up @ 645am to get my daughter ready for school I feel like I just closed my eyes 20 minutes ago. I usually fall asleep around 12am-1am so I am running on 5-6 hours of sleep apnea sleep. Basically my body is working over time. It's the super loud snoring and lack of breathing well that makes me feel tired in the morning. I was offered a machine that helps me sleep through the night but I toss and turn so much that the machine will just get in my way LOL. So I've just learned to go day to day feeling tired. Usually, after I exercise I am awake. It's my jolt of coffee

Until you have money to see a specialist here's a few things you could try to do:

get a sleep aid. The "midnight" brand chewables are not super strong to where you feel groggy in the morning.

if you have a gym membership find the earliest group class available. Most gyms start at 5:30 am. Join that class! You may feel like hell when you wake up but will feel like a champ the rest of the day. If not, go for a run/walk super early in the morning 5am 6am at the latest. I know it's hard to wake up but just talk yourself into doing so.

Have a cup of coffee or green tea.

...And train your mind mentally. I know how difficult it is to wake up when the alarm is going off. BELIEVE ME I do! I psych myself the night before about whatever exercise class I'm attending. For example: tomorrow is CYCLE class at 515am. I am thinking about how freaking awesome I am going to feel after that hour is done and MAN... the CALORIES I'm gonna burn omg I can eat a lot tomorrow hahaha

You got this ellie !!

ShrinkingNinja

I am sorry I did not word it any better - I do not have a degree in english. Sorry if I accidentally used the wrong word - although I do not see how that means that you people have to be so rude.

To all the people who are being really sweet and giving actual answers - thankyou!
P.S. I am not whining, I am trying to find a solution to this problem!

How is telling you to not be lazy when YOU said I dont get up because im lazy rude?
It seems a pretty reasonable answer to what you yourself said.You do not need a degree in english to know the diffrence between the word lazy and deppression.You seem a wee bit on the sensitive side

And are you unaware of how the words sensitive and depression usually link in?

Well god forbid people dont tip toe around you because you have deppression that wasnt even mentioned at first,and try to answer your question going off what you ORGINALLY wrote yourself. I know you seem to think you have been wronged but I just dont see it...sorry

So drop it... Why keep beating a dead horse?

arewethereyet

I am locking this thread. There are too many rude remarks to clean up. It is a shame too, because the OP has a serious issue to deal with and could use for some good advise.

Unfortunately, there are only 4 mods.

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