Not trying to start a argument but...... somethings really b
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1) the first language of the poster may or may not be English,
2) there ARE different spellings (and even some grammar and syntax rules) that vary from one English-speaking country to another
3) there might be people on here who struggled when learning these rules (some of them may even have a diagnosed learning disability)
4) when people are flustered and looking for help they might not be thinking about their spelling, grammar, or syntax
5) this is a forum and not formal writing therefore the rules of grammar are not a priority.
1) I've moderated on various forums where English isn't their first language. Broken grammar isn't a bugbear for me. Hell, they're better at English than I would be in their language! It's the shortcuts that bug me.
2) Again, not the issue.
3) This is true. But, for the vast majority, it isn't the reason. Some people are overweight from medical conditions, but the vast majority aren't. Therefore it's natural to assume it isn't a learning problem.
4) Again, there is some truth in this, and if were for example IRC, typing in real time, then yes, perfectly understandable. But this is a forum. You have no time limit to make your post. Hell, it's even got the spellchecker built in. Take your time. The clearer your post, the greater the chance of getting more input and better help.
5) You're still conversing with people. Isn't it worth taking a few extra minutes to make a decent post?0 -
Here are my thoughts...
1) Sometimes, people go through life using the wrong kind of "you're/your" or "their/there/they're." Correcting a person on a grammar or spelling error can help them in the future.
2) Also, it is easier for people to understand proper posts!0 -
Geesh. . . I understand trying to be honest with the OP, but seriously ease off. . if you can't be nice. . just keep it to yourself.0
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Thanks so much for the many supportive posts it’s nice to know not everyone on here is like the very few i have encountered I’m quite a shy timid person i guess and being "picked on" can make me feel anxious about posting but as long as there’s nice helpful people i guess I’ll just try and ignore the more arrogant ones thanks again
I don't think it's "arrogant" to ask you to write in a manner that is more easily understood. I'm not even complaining about spelling or anything. It's just
you have written a big block of text it's not very understandable and it isn't easy to understand even...one thing...you are saying and this makes trying...to participate in any sort of conversation with you incredibly difficult and also it can give others a headache i think the point of communicating on a forum is at least to attempt to try to communicate in a manner that ...others can understand or else nobody can figure it out and about the spelling i cannot even tell what you are saying except you have "picked on" in quotes which makes it stand out and in a previous post you capitalized the word Australia but i am here to tell you it is just incredibly difficult to get to know you without any sort of... break or paragraph breaks or anything of that manner and how do i know we cold't be really good friends i mean maybe i want to get to know you but this is preventing me from doing so...0 -
I correct spelling on here. Usually with the intent to help. If I see someone constantly type "loose" instead of "lose", I correct them so they know for future reference.0
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I don't think anyone in this thread isn't being nice. I think that people have different opinions.
OP, I too, struggle to read your posts. You don't have to change the way you type, but you have to understand that if your posts consist of one large block of text with no sentence structure, fewer people will bother to respond to you - not because they are unkind, but because they find it a bit frustrating to try to work out what you are saying.
You will find lots of support here and, as evidenced by the responses in this thread, many people who will take the time to read what you are saying. Best of luck.0 -
Thanks so much for the many supportive posts it’s nice to know not everyone on here is like the very few i have encountered I’m quite a shy timid person i guess and being "picked on" can make me feel anxious about posting but as long as there’s nice helpful people i guess I’ll just try and ignore the more arrogant ones thanks again
No one is "picking on you." Try using punctuation and then perhaps you will not feel that way.0 -
So, How is your weight loss coming along? Are you able to stay within your calories? What do you do for your diet and exercise programs?
Yes, most people on this site have poor spelling an grammar. Yes it can be difficult to read or a bit frustrating for some. NO! It has nothing to do with weight loss.
Sorry, just trying to get it back to the point of this site... WEIGHT CONTROL PEOPLE!!!!0 -
I saw this posted the other day on a different website and it is somewhat relevant to the situation here: "If you can't win an argument, correct their grammar instead."
Other than making me chuckle, what I take from this is that people feeling the need to nitpick at little grammatical mistakes are making themselves feel high and mighty and more intelligent than you. Unless a post is clearly unreadable I find it absolutely unacceptable to be a jerk about a grammar or spelling mistake here and there. If the person cannot understand what you're posting maybe they should just move on or ask a question to clarify. Ignore the bullies, there are people on here that generally care about their weight loss goals and not picking on people to make themselves feel better.0 -
If you really want to be heard and understood, make an effort to write something that is easy to read and understand. Spelling and punctuation do count in the real world. If you want to be understood verbally, you speak clearly and in a tone that is understandable to the listener. It's even more important to do it in written form as the reader cannot read your body language.
There is never a reason to be cruel, but apologizing and enabling the behaviors does nothing to solve the issue. I realize that there are many people from places where English is not their first language, and that English, with all of its' nuances can be very difficult to master. In my view, it's not those people who are having as many problems as those who do not make the effort to be legible.
I don't worry too much about these things usually, but I grow weary of the labeling and general rock throwing at people who do point out these things. Too much of that around here as it is.0 -
Nice to be reminded to be here to support one another.0
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You think correcting grammar or spelling is "bullying"?
Wow...
This is the internet. Thick skin often required.0 -
Is it possible that others are having difficult understanding your posts, and do not intend to be rude? I haven't followed your other posts, so can't know for certain, but perhaps they are meant to be suggestions rather than criticism. I know it was a tad difficult to make out your exact concepts when reading this because there's no grammar or capitalization. While it can seem silly to bother for an informal conversation, it can also make it much easier to understand for readers. So maybe they would like to answer your question, but can't make out what it is, so instead give you suggestions to improve in that area.
Just a thought, make of it what you will!!
^this!
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I really can not believe some people, I mean really we are not in school! We are here to support and help one another in our fitness and weight loss journeys. IF someone does not like the way you or I for that matter post then by all means they DO NOT read it . Some people have nothing better to do and I really think some people can not feel any better about themselves unless they are bringing someone else down!
This site is for support and encouragement to meet your goals not to give me a English grammar lesson!!0 -
And we're back to arguing versus hating. No one is hating on the OP. Her posts are hard to read. This does mean that my life is terrible, it doesn't mean I feel superior, it doesn't mean I think that the OP is a horrible person. It means her posts, in my opinion, are hard to read. That's it.0
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Was this intentional? :blushing:
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I wouldn't call someone out on it, but when I see a block of writing all together like that, my poor, bad eyes just can't read it. So I click the back button and go on to another post. The OP just loses out on possible good stories or advice or support by not making things somewhat readable for the rest of the community. So it's fine to keep on doing it that way; it doesn't really harm anyone else but the person posting in that manner.0
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I've never said anything to anyone about their spelling/grammer, however, I have decided not to continue reading posts before due to my inability to follow the post. I don't insult anyone about it, but I also sometimes hit the back button instead of responding.0
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To everyone else who is so caught up about people using grammar
Do you think that people who have limited English shouldn’t post, how about people who didn’t get the education they deserved what about people with learning disorders should they be banned or what about people who just simply didn’t do so well at school
I mean come on there are people here who come from so many different backgrounds and I believe they should be supported equally but hey if bullying people makes you feel big and tough then that’s your damage not mine0 -
To everyone else who is so caught up about people using grammar
Do you think that people who have limited English shouldn’t post, how about people who didn’t get the education they deserved what about people with learning disorders should they be banned or what about people who just simply didn’t do so well at school
I mean come on there are people here who come from so many different backgrounds and I believe they should be supported equally but hey if bullying people makes you feel big and tough then that’s your damage not mine
No one is talking about that. We are talking specifically about your writing style, and no one is bullying you. You brought up the topic and people responded in an honest and gentle way.
I think that the gist of most of the responses is either "keep writing the way you do because it doesn't bother us" or "I find your posts difficult to read". Please calm down.0 -
If you really want to be heard and understood, make an effort to write something that is easy to read and understand. Spelling and punctuation do count in the real world. If you want to be understood verbally, you speak clearly and in a tone that is understandable to the listener. It's even more important to do it in written form as the reader cannot read your body language.
There is never a reason to be cruel, but apologizing and enabling the behaviors does nothing to solve the issue. I realize that there are many people from places where English is not their first language, and that English, with all of its' nuances can be very difficult to master. In my view, it's not those people who are having as many problems as those who do not make the effort to be legible.
I don't worry too much about these things usually, but I grow weary of the labeling and general rock throwing at people who do point out these things. Too much of that around here as it is.
So well put, my friend...0 -
What she said.Is it possible that others are having difficult understanding your posts, and do not intend to be rude? I haven't followed your other posts, so can't know for certain, but perhaps they are meant to be suggestions rather than criticism. I know it was a tad difficult to make out your exact concepts when reading this because there's no grammar or capitalization. While it can seem silly to bother for an informal conversation, it can also make it much easier to understand for readers. So maybe they would like to answer your question, but can't make out what it is, so instead give you suggestions to improve in that area.
Just a thought, make of it what you will!!0 -
...and, what he said!If you really want to be heard and understood, make an effort to write something that is easy to read and understand. Spelling and punctuation do count in the real world. If you want to be understood verbally, you speak clearly and in a tone that is understandable to the listener. It's even more important to do it in written form as the reader cannot read your body language.
There is never a reason to be cruel, but apologizing and enabling the behaviors does nothing to solve the issue. I realize that there are many people from places where English is not their first language, and that English, with all of its' nuances can be very difficult to master. In my view, it's not those people who are having as many problems as those who do not make the effort to be legible.
I don't worry too much about these things usually, but I grow weary of the labeling and general rock throwing at people who do point out these things. Too much of that around here as it is.0 -
I agree with you.... In my job and with school I have to check and double check to make sure my grammar, spelling, and punctuation are perfect.... so in a forum or something less formal, I don't double check what I write. If I see that I spelled something wrong, I sometimes go back and correct it, but not always. Oh, and for the record... I totally comprehended your first post
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To everyone else who is so caught up about people using grammar
Do you think that people who have limited English shouldn’t post, how about people who didn’t get the education they deserved what about people with learning disorders should they be banned or what about people who just simply didn’t do so well at school
I mean come on there are people here who come from so many different backgrounds and I believe they should be supported equally but hey if bullying people makes you feel big and tough then that’s your damage not mine
I was only saying I found it difficult to read your posts. I didn't find it difficult to read this post (quoted above) because of the paragraph break. It would be even easier if you added sentence breaks, because I am finding it difficult to figure out where one sentence ends and another begins. That is all I have been saying.0 -
I am educated i understand full stops, spelling and general grammar
So, according to what you originally posted, you don't fall into the categories you listed in your last post.
So...this being the case...why do you post so badly? If you understand full stops, you must therefore understand their importance, yet still you choose not to use them?0 -
I personally see a big difference between someone who chooses not to use punctuation or capitalization to prove a point and someone who is unaware of proper usage. You can definitely tell the difference when reading. If i see someone trying hard to communicate, even if they're unable to do it exquisitely well, I'll take the time and try to parse through it. However, when you say, "I know how to make my posts readable, but I am choosing not to do it," you get what you ask for. You brought it up and you got the opinions you asked for. I don't see anyone bullying other than to say, "We would really love to hear you out, to know about you and your weight loss journey, but you're making it very difficult for us to do so."
And to let you know, I was unable to read any of your other posts, I just figured out what was going on from reading the other replies. But this time, I actually was able to read what you wrote, consider it and respond to you. I see it more of how much consideration you are deciding to show to people that you writing to and wanting to respond to you. It's obvious that you posted this just to vent about an injustice you feel being done to you and are not open at all to hearing and considering other viewpoints, even when people are trying to say they'd like to be supportive of you if they could read what you're saying. Really, being as close-minded as you're being about the whole discussion and branding everyone who has the audacity to disagree with you as a bully actually makes you the bully.0 -
Although I would never correct someone regarding his or her grammar or spelling, I often have difficulty deciphering what the writer intended to say. Therefore, at times, I simply refrain from responding to his or her post. Truthfully, it usually takes more keystrokes to spell a word incorrectly than it does to spell it correctly. I would suggest that if it annoys you this much, try scanning over your post before you hit submit. Just a suggestion; I don't care either way. 0
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I really can not believe some people, I mean really we are not in school! We are here to support and help one another in our fitness and weight loss journeys. IF someone does not like the way you or I for that matter post then by all means they DO NOT read it . Some people have nothing better to do and I really think some people can not feel any better about themselves unless they are bringing someone else down!
This site is for support and encouragement to meet your goals not to give me a English grammar lesson!!
So...proper grammar is only important in school... Huh. And here I thought education had a purpose for the real world. I guess communication is not all that important after all.0 -
Love your profile photo! Unfortunately, my pet peeve is people who don't at least TRY to spell and punctuate. It is SO difficult for me to understand a post enough to help when it is written like the post you just entered. I do NOT want to be rude, at all. I feel like a person should care enough about the reader to make it as clear as possible and as easy to understand as possible if you want someone to take the time to try to help you.
If it's something small or an obvious typo, etc., that is understandable. However, a run on paragraph with NO punctuation and poor spelling is really annoying to me. I am NOT trying to argue, just explain how I feel.
Now, I may WANT to type a rude reply to someone, but I don't usually do so. If someone ticks me off, though, I may get a little catty (ok, a LOT catty) and say something. LOL.
I saw your other post and that there were some snipes at you, but, honestly, it WAS hard to read, as is this one.
Good luck on your journey!0
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