Why cut out dairy?

ajbeans

I'm cutting it out again because it's not good for me. It gives me stomach and allergy issues which are subtle enough to ignore most of the time, but I've grown tired of ignoring them and I'd rather be healthy.

Milk is made for baby cows, not people. We don't drink breastmilk beyond early childhood, because breastmilk is made for baby people, right? So I guess I don't see why people think it's "necessary" or even healthy for us to drink a substance which is made to suit the nutritional needs of baby cows. I mean, I like dairy just as much as the next person, but it's because it tastes good, not because I think it's necessary for good nutrition. There are plenty of other, better sources for the nutrients in dairy. But cheese is sooooooo tasty.

janegeno

There are some studies that show a correlation between the protein casein and cancer.

Karg wantz see studie, Karg no can find hooman study on dis, Karg love cassein

Haha yes! I'm pretty sure I'll get cancer from Splenda before I get cancer from cassein

Naw, you'll get cancer from Nutrasweet (aspartame). Splenda is sucralose which means you just get diarrhea.

Me, I love my dairy. Full fat, please. This morning I ate a half cup of ricotta for breakfast and I was so satisfied I nearly forgot to eat something for lunch. (I made it myself. Yes, I am bragging.)

KavemanKarg

Me, I love my dairy. Full fat, please. This morning I ate a half cup of ricotta for breakfast and I was so satisfied I nearly forgot to eat something for lunch. (I made it myself. Yes, I am bragging.)

mmmm Karg want invite fer break da fast.

Karg make own yogurt in Cuba one timez from real raw milk, so gud...

vegangirl88

Mainly (for weight loss reasons) because it is purely designed to turn a baby cow into a great big heifer...

Also (ethically) because of the reasons stated here: http://www.vegansociety.com/resources/animals/dairy-production.aspx

And it's the oldest argument against dairy because it's true. We are the only animals that drink other animals' milk, and the only ones who drink milk after infancy. Even adult cows don't drink cow's milk!! Would you drink another woman's breast milk for its nutrients? After all, it is chock full of them!! Perhaps if it was made into a cheese? Probably not, hey? But drinking cows' breast milk is promoted by the dairy industry so we are led to believe we need it. We really don't. I promise.

KavemanKarg

Mainly (for weight loss reasons) because it is purely designed to turn a baby cow into a great big heifer...

Also (ethically) because of the reasons stated here: http://www.vegansociety.com/resources/animals/dairy-production.aspx

And it's the oldest argument against dairy because it's true. We are the only animals that drink other animals' milk, and the only ones who drink milk after infancy. Even adult cows don't drink cow's milk!! Would you drink another woman's breast milk for its nutrients? After all, it is chock full of them!! Perhaps if it was made into a cheese? Probably not, hey? But drinking cows' breast milk is promoted by the dairy industry so we are led to believe we need it. We really don't. I promise.

Karg agree. Dairy no be needed. But dis do not make dairy bad fer da body. 1 is not argument fer de other. Man do not need carrot, but carrot still be good fer us.

Jus like someone else being allergic to dairy or gettin' zits don't make it bad fer Karg, but only for dem.

An, since Karg main point keepz getting overlooked. Peeplez are not drinking real milk. Dey are drinking factory made stuffz. Karg has had real milk. Real milk taste nuthin like dis stuffz and Karg will be it far better for a man to drink den dat factory stuff.

Karg not seen one opinion based on actual real fresh non-factory non-messed-with milk from healthy animals.

Karg wonderz if anyone actually doubts that fresh milk from a truly healthy goat or cow is bad for da body? Outside da political agendas anywayz

servilia

Mainly (for weight loss reasons) because it is purely designed to turn a baby cow into a great big heifer...

Also (ethically) because of the reasons stated here: http://www.vegansociety.com/resources/animals/dairy-production.aspx

And it's the oldest argument against dairy because it's true. We are the only animals that drink other animals' milk, and the only ones who drink milk after infancy. Even adult cows don't drink cow's milk!! Would you drink another woman's breast milk for its nutrients? After all, it is chock full of them!! Perhaps if it was made into a cheese? Probably not, hey? But drinking cows' breast milk is promoted by the dairy industry so we are led to believe we need it. We really don't. I promise.

Nobody said we NEED it. That doesn't mean we shouldn't consume it. I don't NEED a peach. But I like it and there ya go. Gonna go have some peach now. With some yogurt.

ritajean3

This entire post just screams osteoporosis. If you don't drink dairy you need to find a calcium source else where. Although calcium isn't the only factor in healthy bones it does have it's part

I personally have no issue with milk in the past if the mother died they would feed the baby from a goat. I'm not allergic to
It although we did thinky children were. And I am no longer intolerant to it so there is no real reason why I can't enjoy it.

Wynterbourne

I love cheese. I would never be able to go without cheese. I have found that I am eating a lot *less* dairy since starting the diet. The only reason I am eating less is that many times I'd rather use the calories some where else since even lower-fat cheeses are still pretty calorie dense. I love my non-fat Greek yogurt and non-fat sour cream. I would go nuts without dairy. Simple as that for me.

freckledfrog

This entire post just screams osteoporosis. If you don't drink dairy you need to find a calcium source else where. Although calcium isn't the only factor in healthy bones it does have it's part

There is plenty of calcium is plenty of other sources. Actually almond milk has more calcium than cows milk.

I don't drink cows milk for my own personal issues. First of all I have a problem with the hormones and antibiotics that they give the cows. Also, they are milked about 300 days a year. Most of the time the cows are pregnant which means more hormones in the milk. Milk from a pregnant cow has 33 times as much estrogen than a cow that is not pregnant. Increased estrogen has been linked to breast cancer as well as prostate cancer.

Alot of milk is also genetically modified unless it is labeled No RbGH. RbGh is genetically engineered bovine growth hormone which is injected into the cows to produce more milk which can also lead to an increase risk of cancer.

As I stated before cows are milked around 300 days a year which means their udders are irritated and infected. It kind of grosses me out to think that about drinking the pus and blood of a cow.

So those are just my own personal issues with cows milk and dairy in general.

UpEarly

And it's the oldest argument against dairy because it's true. We are the only animals that drink other animals' milk, and the only ones who drink milk after infancy. Even adult cows don't drink cow's milk!!

I know we don't NEED milk, but are you sure we're the only animals that don't drink other animals milk? And if animals aren't drinking other animals milk, do you know the reason why?

I am a nature photographer, and I spend a lot of time observing animals in the field. [sorry... this next part is graphic] Earlier this spring, I watched a coyote take down a whitetail deer that was within hours of giving birth. The coyote ate the deer, and the first part he consumed was the milk bag, which had already formed in anticipation of the fawn's birth. Years ago, I had a bear hang with all my camping food pulled out of a tree by a black bear. He ate everything in my bag (except for a pack of gum), including a large ziploc bag of powdered milk I used in my oatmeal for extra protein.

Looking at domestic animals... my dogs will happily drink milk, cats drink milk, pigs will eat most *anything* - heck... even my horse LOVED vanilla ice cream. It's not in their normal diet. It might not be the best thing for them. But they would eagerly consume it and enjoy it. I would argue that many omnivorous animals would not refuse milk if offered.

Maybe wild animals don't drink milk primarily out of lack of consistent access. In nature, animals lactate for just a short period of time. Lactating requires excess energy which requires more time to be spent eating and foraging for food, so it probably decreases their chances of survival. It makes sense in nature for animals to limit their nursing time to as short a period as possible.

I just think the 'we're the only animal that drink milk' argument is full of flaws. It's a personal decision.

Gigi_licious

This thread is really making me want a big glass of 2% milk. *logs off and goes to fridge*

whatwentwrong

i'm thinking just because of the calorie count? one slice of cheese is about 100 calories and a glass of milk is 100-150 calories, so it can add up quickly. i only had milk if i was dipping cookies with it, or with hot chocolate, so it was an easy thing for me to cut out as it wasn't worth the calories for me. cheese, however, is never leaving my diet :P

servilia

This entire post just screams osteoporosis. If you don't drink dairy you need to find a calcium source else where. Although calcium isn't the only factor in healthy bones it does have it's part

There is plenty of calcium is plenty of other sources. Actually almond milk has more calcium than cows milk.

ONLY when the calcium is ADDED. Normal unsupplemented almond milk has less than 5% of your daily calcium requirements. Might as well pop a pill. I hate seeing this thrown around.

Darkness2120

No reason to unless you're lactose intolerant. Me, milk is my primary source of calcium and I LOVE cheese. As for calorie content; I fit it in with my daily intake. The argument that adult humans are never meant to consume milk, I'm not gonna waste my time with that one.

_Doreen_

Diary is not necessary in the diet. Calcium is. Most of the non caucasian population has a difficult time digesting dairy.

Joo mean modern bastardized, err pastuerized dairy? Karg wonder truth if real milk?

Karg perty shure dat mongol brothers drink fresh yak milk, and dat Chinese brothers and India brothers drink fresh goats milk, for ages and ages and still does, an do guud on dat milk.

Da color of da skin do not make milk bad, da factoryz make da milk bad. mmm fresh real milk guud, make Karg da strong!

Too Funny! but I agree with Karg! :laugh:

DeathToFatness

There are some studies that show a correlation between the protein casein and cancer.

Karg wantz see studie, Karg no can find hooman study on dis, Karg love cassein

Check out a book called "The China Study". If you don't want to read the book, watch the movie "Forks Over Knives."

Dragongrl

There are some studies that show a correlation between the protein casein and cancer.

Karg wantz see studie, Karg no can find hooman study on dis, Karg love cassein

Haha yes! I'm pretty sure I'll get cancer from Splenda before I get cancer from cassein

I think I'll get skin cancer from the sun or lung cancer from smoklng before I get it from good ol' milk. Doesn't everything cause cancer these days? Hell, there is cancer causing agents in your tap water. Let's just give up living shall we?

cramernh

For me, it was affecting my skin BADLY... pores big enough to play 'connect the dots', acne so bad I needed strong antibiotics, and it was making feel sick...

I cut back 90% on anything dairy - I do allow myself some part-skim mozzarella but thats one serving only....

My skin has cleared up to the point of never needing medications anymore, I FEEL better... and definitely can feel a difference in health if I have something that has dairy in it...

DizzieLittleLifter

Diary is not necessary in the diet. Calcium is. Most of the non caucasian population has a difficult time digesting dairy.

Joo mean modern bastardized, err pastuerized dairy? Karg wonder truth if real milk?

Karg perty shure dat mongol brothers drink fresh yak milk, and dat Chinese brothers and India brothers drink fresh goats milk, for ages and ages and still does, an do guud on dat milk.

Da color of da skin do not make milk bad, da factoryz make da milk bad. mmm fresh real milk guud, make Karg da strong!

Lactose is made up of two monosaccharide molecules, the bond that binds them together is NOT digestible by the majority of human enzymes. Infants are born with lactase but once the child is weaned from breastmilk the body losses the ability to produce lactase. The ethnicities that do have the lactase enzyme tend to be from herding and farming decent. The ancestors had an abundant supply of dairy. Genetics decided that lactase neither hindered or improved life so it stuck around and passed down to those lucky few of us.

% of Lactose intolerance wordlwide:

80-100% of Asians
80-100% Native Americans
70-95% Black Africans
60-80% African Americans
20-30% northern Indians
60-60% Southern Indians
60-80% Ashkenazi Jews
50-80% Hispanics
6-22% US Caucasian
2-7% Northern Europeans

recesq

Mainly its the lactose-a sugar. Sugars, in ALL forms, raise your insulin level. Insulin in the bloodstream prevents you from burning fat or as much fat as you normally would, and tells your body to store the nutrients in your bloodstream as fat. Cut it out of your diet for 2 weeks and see what happens.

HMonsterX

The argument about milk is only for baby cows and was never intended for humans is always an argument I take with a major grain of salt. How does anyone really know what humans are naturally 'intended' to eat? Why is eating a chicken egg any less bizarre than drinking a cup of cow's milk? An egg is the discarded, inert reproductive vehicle for poultry. Why is pulling vegetables out of the ground or fruit off a tree any more intuitive than putting an arrow into the side of a deer and eating its meat. The foods humans choose to consume are dictated by personal preference, cultural norms and personal biochemistry (allergies, intolerances, what have you).

Best post I've read in a long time!

But drinking cows' breast milk is promoted by the dairy industry so we are led to believe we need it.

And you giving us a link to "research", from the vegansociety website is any different? Of COURSE that site will say that! Why doesn't it say anything about the benefits of drinking cow's milk?

Quit trying to be "cute". It just makes you look stupid. I can see by your ticker that you've lost a lot of weight. Why not share your acquired wisdom in a way that will inform, rather than annoy?

How about informs and entertains? I love Karg's posts! Reminds me of ALAMO! Karg!

kyle4jem

Mainly its the lactose-a sugar. Sugars, in ALL forms, raise your insulin level. Insulin in the bloodstream prevents you from burning fat or as much fat as you normally would, and tells your body to store the nutrients in your bloodstream as fat. Cut it out of your diet for 2 weeks and see what happens.

There have actually been studies that show that calcium from reduced-fat dairy is the best for your bones/teeth and much better and more easily absorbed than calcium supplements.

Also the fat from reduced fat dairy also helps mobilise other fats before they become absorbed by the body.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/humanbody/truthaboutfood/slim/calcium.shtml
http://www.nature.com/oby/journal/v12/n4/full/oby200467a.html

But it's a personal thing... I come from a dairy culture and have always enjoyed dairy products. It works for me :happy:

bjs06

I think it's a total preference thing, either that or a desperation to try anything that will help you lose weight. I do think that if you are eating lots of dairy you should be careful and chose the healthy dairy choices but its whatever works best for you and your body. Milk makes me feel a little queasy so I don't drink it and a few years ago I was tested and had high cholesterol and it was suggested to me to lower my dairy intake. I have cheese every once in a while because I LOVE cheese and I definitely cheat with sweets that have milk and I use butter every once in a while too but I don't eat tons of dairy because thats what works for me. I also don't eat a lot of grains (and no white bread or potatos or anything like that) but thats me.. my body and everyone elses bodies are totally different. Its all up to you as far as im concerned.

Elizabeth_C34

I usually do no more than 1 serving of dairy per day. I get really crampy otherwise.

lisasays

Read the China Study. Areas of the world where milk is either not eaten at all or rarely, people dont get osteoporosis and have far less heart disease. The China Study is one of the biggest nutritional studies ever done and is back by many world renowned physicians.

The Physicians Commitee for Responsible Medicine promote a vegan diet:
http://www.pcrm.org/

lisasays

and...if your library has it, the documentary Forks Over Knives is eye-opening to say the least!

lisasays

Look here for more specific reasons on why to avoid dairy:
http://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/vegdiets/health-concerns-about-dairy-products

HMonsterX

So you're a vegan, and you are anti-milk. Shocking.

That website promotes veganism. And is anti-milk. Shocking.


Why does this remind me of religion?

TamaraRR

hormones are fed to cows, we drink cows milk. Its one of the big things people have against it.

servilia

hormones are fed to cows, we drink cows milk. Its one of the big things people have against it.

Then people in the US (where the most crap is given to cows out of most developed countries) should be more politically active to stop it. Or drink organic.