HCG Diet
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Please read this topic:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/338789-looking-for-peeps-who-did-hcg-diet-with-bad-results
Also please take the time to read the following Blog.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/MrsCon40/view/hcg-a-handy-reply-to-the-multitude-of-quick-fix-seekers-148860
Below is the text of the blog
(Thank you MrsCon40 for this blog)So, here’s the bottom line on this “hCG Diet“.
Human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) is a hormone approved by the FDA for use in pre-pubertal boys to help aid normal sexual development, and in women to treat fertility problems. hCG is produced by the placenta and is also found in pregnant women’s urine. It is not approved for weight loss and has never been proven by credible peer reviewed science to cause weight loss. So how did hCG surface as a weight loss solution?
Back in the 1930’s, a physician named A.T.W. Simeons was using hCG for the standard reproductive medical conditions for which it was approved. He observed that some of his patients dropped weight while on the hCG injections. Thinking that perhaps the hCG was the cause, he administered the injections along with a dietary plan to overweight patients and noted weight loss. Please note that subsequent researchers repeated his clinical study and were never able to replicate any association between hCG and weight loss.
Since then, most independent, peer-reviewed studies have shown no difference in weight loss between subjects on a low-calorie diet who received hCG injections and subjects who received a placebo. In 1975, the FDA noted that hCG is not a weight loss drug. In 1995, the British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology published a summary of research showing no hCG related weight loss association. The American Society of Bariatric Physicians does not recommend hCG for weight loss as noted in a December 2009 position paper.
Flash forward to 2007 when Kevin Trudeau published his book “The Weight Loss Cure ‘They’ Don’t Want You to Know About“, in which he concocted a weight loss plan which included hCG injections. Trudeau has no professional training in medicine, health or science. He is widely known as a controversial businessman who has tangled with the law regarding false health claims related to his books and products. You’d think that common sense would dictate running the other way when this guy hawks anything. But, people are desperate and when they are promised rapid weight loss and an end to their misery, they’ll often line up to sign up.
What is involved with the hCG “diet”:
1) Daily injections of hCG, with online prices ranging from $30 to more than $600 for a month’s supply. One side effect is pregnancy, as hCG increases fertility among women.
2) 500 calories per day of highly restrictive food intake, including coconut oil. One tablespoon of coconut oil contains 13.6 g total fats, 11.8 g of which are artery clogging saturated fats, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture National Nutrient Database for Standard Reference.
3) A range of body “flush and detox” regimens. Here’s my quote from a prior WebMD interview about this regimen. “All the flushes and cleanses are pure nonsense, unnecessary, and there is no scientific basis for these recommendations,” says nutrition and metabolism expert Pamela Peeke, MD, chief medical correspondent for Discovery Health channel. “Your body is well equipped with organs, such as the liver and kidneys, and the immune system, to rid itself of potential toxins and do an excellent job of cleansing itself without needing flushes or cleanses.“
Here are other concerns related to this “diet”:
1) You’re starving yourself. Your brain alone requires 600 calories per day to function optimally. By consuming only 500 calories per day, of course you’ll drop weight. But at what price? You’re cannibalizing your muscle mass, reducing your metabolism and consequently the effectiveness of your calorie burning. If I had you consume only 500 calories per day and then injected you with water, should I now call this the amazing water cure for weight loss? hCG has nothing to do with your weight loss. Starvation does.
2) It’s impossible to do. So you blame yourself (and not the author) when you cannot complete his plan. This is a core element of the scam. People who are overweight already feel guilty and are often filled with shame. After having laid down a lot of cash and not being able to successfully comply for a month or more, they figure “Oh well, just another diet I’ve failed at”.
3) It is unsustainable. This regimen is almost impossible to adhere to for more than a very short period of time. There are no healthy eating or physical activity behaviors to learn. Eventually you would have to enter the real world. And then, what do you do?
4) It’s unsafe. You cannot meet your baseline survival nutritional requirements on a starvation plan. You can seriously alter your healthy intestinal bacterial flora with repeated “cleanses and detox” regimens. This can lead to altered bowel function and inability to appropriately absorb food nutrients, which can then impair immune function.
Further, many of you have a lot of weight to remove. You may also have associated medical problems, including high blood pressure, elevated cholesterol and high blood sugar levels. You could also be on medications to treat these as well as mental conditions like depression and anxiety. When people buy into a diet scam like hCG, they usually don’t tell their medical team. Rapid weight loss, radically altered food consumption, cleanses and detox regimens can seriously affect your underlying mental and physical conditions and alter the clearance and blood level of medications you’re taking.
Don’t turn yourself into a science fair project. Beware of these radical scam approaches as they can deleteriously affect your health and wellbeing. In the best of all worlds, you’re working with credible health professionals to remove your excess weight.
5) You’re not breaking food addictions. The promise is that you’ll no longer be addicted to food and any abnormal eating behaviors. Credible research has clearly shown that starvation and useless injections are not the solution to food addictions. Behavioral modification, healthy eating practices and regular physical activity have clearly been shown to control food addictions.
6) You’re broke. Take a moment and add up the total costs of the books and products required. That’s why I’ve renamed this “diet” the High Cost Game scam.
Finally, there will always be an endless supply of frauds and scams created to prey on your desires to drop weight. To help guide you, here are the Food and Nutrition Science Alliances’ “Ten Red Flags of Junk Science“:
* Recommendations that promise a quick fix.
* Dire warnings of danger from a single product or regimen.
* Claims that sound too good to be true.
* Simplistic conclusions drawn from a complex scientific study.
* Recommendations based on a single study.
* Dramatic statements that are refuted by reputable scientific organizations.
* Lists of “good” and “bad” foods.
* Recommendations made to help sell a product.
* Recommendations based on studies published without peer review.
* Recommendations from studies that ignore difficulties among individuals or groups.
Always remember that if it sounds too good to be true, it is. Anything worth doing in your life requires time and effort to achieve and succeed. Run from false promises like the hCG scam. Stick with life-giving whole foods and physical activity. Now, that’s better living through your own chemistry.
http://blogs.webmd.com/pamela-peeke-md/2010/12/diet-scam-101-the-hcg-con.html0 -
HcG success story.
PM me if you want my personal opinion.
It works.
I am more healthy (and slim) at 42 than I have ever been.0 -
HcG success story.
PM me if you want my personal opinion.
It works.
I am more healthy (and slim) at 42 than I have ever been.
If I'm reading your stats right, you gained some weight between round 1 and 2, that doesn't tell you something? )-:
You are a "success story" b/c you lost weight while taking this "medication", the true test is to keep it off after you trash your metabolism and stop taking the HCG.0 -
HcG success story.
PM me if you want my personal opinion.
It works.
I am more healthy (and slim) at 42 than I have ever been.
If I'm reading your stats right, you gained some weight between round 1 and 2, that doesn't tell you something? )-:
You are a "success story" b/c you lost weight while taking this "medication", the true test is to keep it off after you trash your metabolism and stop taking the HCG.
My metabolism was not and is not trashed. I put on a little weight in between and since - I am currently at a very comfortable weight and very happy with my results and the method I chose to achieve them.0 -
bad news. google it or use the search button here. its a pretty hot topic
oh gosh...what she said! use the search function and you'll find a gazillion threads on this...mostly negative. And my opinion is it's unhealthy. If you want to loose weight and keep it off there's no shortcut. Healthy lifestyle, that's the ticket!0 -
What if it really doesn't have to be hard?
Just because 'everyone' says it has to be hard?0 -
BTW - lizziebeth - you look GREAT for 52 . . heck you look GREAT for any age!
whatever you're doing is working !0 -
BTW - lizziebeth - you look GREAT for 52 . . heck you look GREAT for any age!
whatever you're doing is working !
Omg thank you! you made my day:))))))0 -
My experience:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/338789-looking-for-peeps-who-did-hcg-diet-with-bad-results
I post again on page two about some other things I had forgotten when originally posting.0 -
What if it really doesn't have to be hard?
Just because 'everyone' says it has to be hard?
I am glad you didn't have any problems and succeeded with HCG, but how can you say 500 calories a day is good for a body.
Also, I am curious, how you know your metabolism didn't take a crap? Are you eating normal again or still on HCG? Did you happen to take a body compositon reading before (before and after body fat)? Sorry, I haven't had time to read your story which I will try later. I am trying to figure out how you tested your variables. Or was weight the only improvement?
What I am getting to though, just because you lose weight, doesnt' mean you haven't had adverse affects. it doesn't mean it's good for your body. People easily confuse weight loss with healthy. They can be completely different. There is a reason why you can be skinny fat. It's also the reason why my friend who is 20 weeks pregnant still hasn't gained much weight. She is a recoverying/still is aneorexic.
Mostly what I am saying, there are much safer ways of losing weight.0 -
Actually I did take body comp tests before and after.
March 2010 - weight 182, lean weight 131.4 - fat weight 50.6, body fat 27.8 %
Sept 2010 - weight 167, lean weight 124 - fat weight 43, body fat 25.5
Oct 2010 . . . . .weight 154 . lean weight 116 , fat weight 38 . body fat 24.6.
I am due to have another one since its been a year now.
You can see that all the numbers went down, but my lean to fat ratio increased with each new measurement.
Also - I eat perfectly 'normally' now. By that I mean on an average day I eat 1600-1800 calories a day. My goal is 120g carbs, 120grams protein and 70g fats. I have not eliminated refined carbs from my diet but eat them in much smaller quantities than I did. I still have a double cheeseburger from McD on occasion . . I just toss 1/2 the bun. I love bread and butter, but unless I am having only a bite or two, I try to eat that Ezekiel sprouted grain bread or low carb tortillas etc. I eat spaghetti with the family but go easy on the pasta. I LOVE coffee - but use sugar free creamer instead of fat free creamer. So I eat like a moderate low carb-er.
I also run 2-3 days a week and my goal is to lift weights twice a week but I have been really lacking on that one - but its on the agenda anyway. My family/life/work schedule is hectic - I get 5 hours of sleep a night on average, see a counselor a couple times of year to help me refocus, go to church regularly and read my bible every day. I'm not particularly cranky, have plenty of energy, take no medications (just calcium and omega 3 fish oil when I remember) and have no health issues.
So, yeah, I'm confident I have not had any adverse effects.0 -
Just one more thought - I now love to run. Last year I participated in 7 running events (a triathlon, some 5k and 10ks and one half marathon)
This year I wanted to do 10 events. I did two 10k races, several 5k races, The Tough Mudder, The Dirty Girl, and The Warrior Dash (all muddy obstacle course races) and have my eleventh event, a 10k, in a few weeks.
And I don't hate it . . .at all. I just have fun participating and feel great that I am now taking care of my body and it allows me to participate in these events.
FYI -
http://toughmudder.com/
http://www.godirtygirl.com/
http://warriordash.com/0 -
HcG success story.
PM me if you want my personal opinion.
It works.
I am more healthy (and slim) at 42 than I have ever been.
If I'm reading your stats right, you gained some weight between round 1 and 2, that doesn't tell you something? )-:
You are a "success story" b/c you lost weight while taking this "medication", the true test is to keep it off after you trash your metabolism and stop taking the HCG.
My metabolism was not and is not trashed. I put on a little weight in between and since - I am currently at a very comfortable weight and very happy with my results and the method I chose to achieve them.
No one said it didn't work, what we said is it is not healthy, and it isn't, no matter how much or fast you lost weight.0 -
You will get lots of opinions. I tried it through a doctor's office doing injections and I can tell you I was NOT hungry past the initial 2 days it takes to get used to it. My problem with it was that I got really tired of eating the same handful of choices over and over and over again. At the end of 1 month, I had not lost a significant amount of weight (10 lbs?) and decided I could probably lose that much eating healthy and exercising. Some people claim to have great success with it though.0
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Actually I did take body comp tests before and after.
March 2010 - weight 182, lean weight 131.4 - fat weight 50.6, body fat 27.8 %
Sept 2010 - weight 167, lean weight 124 - fat weight 43, body fat 25.5
Oct 2010 . . . . .weight 154 . lean weight 116 , fat weight 38 . body fat 24.6.
I am due to have another one since its been a year now.
You can see that all the numbers went down, but my lean to fat ratio increased with each new measurement.
Also - I eat perfectly 'normally' now. By that I mean on an average day I eat 1600-1800 calories a day. My goal is 120g carbs, 120grams protein and 70g fats. I have not eliminated refined carbs from my diet but eat them in much smaller quantities than I did. I still have a double cheeseburger from McD on occasion . . I just toss 1/2 the bun. I love bread and butter, but unless I am having only a bite or two, I try to eat that Ezekiel sprouted grain bread or low carb tortillas etc. I eat spaghetti with the family but go easy on the pasta. I LOVE coffee - but use sugar free creamer instead of fat free creamer. So I eat like a moderate low carb-er.
I also run 2-3 days a week and my goal is to lift weights twice a week but I have been really lacking on that one - but its on the agenda anyway. My family/life/work schedule is hectic - I get 5 hours of sleep a night on average, see a counselor a couple times of year to help me refocus, go to church regularly and read my bible every day. I'm not particularly cranky, have plenty of energy, take no medications (just calcium and omega 3 fish oil when I remember) and have no health issues.
So, yeah, I'm confident I have not had any adverse effects.
Those results are horrible, out of a total 28 lbs lost you lost 15.4 lbs of lean body weight, that is a lot, and the less lean muscle you have the slower your metabolism, so you did slow your metabolism down with HCG. You actually lost more muscle than fat, why would anyone do a diet where you lose more muscle than fat.0 -
Just one more thought - I now love to run. Last year I participated in 7 running events (a triathlon, some 5k and 10ks and one half marathon)
This year I wanted to do 10 events. I did two 10k races, several 5k races, The Tough Mudder, The Dirty Girl, and The Warrior Dash (all muddy obstacle course races) and have my eleventh event, a 10k, in a few weeks.
And I don't hate it . . .at all. I just have fun participating and feel great that I am now taking care of my body and it allows me to participate in these events.
FYI -
http://toughmudder.com/
http://www.godirtygirl.com/
http://warriordash.com/
You are not supposed to workout while on HCG, too few calories, it is actually suggested that you don't.0 -
Actually I did take body comp tests before and after.
March 2010 - weight 182, lean weight 131.4 - fat weight 50.6, body fat 27.8 %
Sept 2010 - weight 167, lean weight 124 - fat weight 43, body fat 25.5
Oct 2010 . . . . .weight 154 . lean weight 116 , fat weight 38 . body fat 24.6.
I am due to have another one since its been a year now.
You can see that all the numbers went down, but my lean to fat ratio increased with each new measurement.
Also - I eat perfectly 'normally' now. By that I mean on an average day I eat 1600-1800 calories a day. My goal is 120g carbs, 120grams protein and 70g fats. I have not eliminated refined carbs from my diet but eat them in much smaller quantities than I did. I still have a double cheeseburger from McD on occasion . . I just toss 1/2 the bun. I love bread and butter, but unless I am having only a bite or two, I try to eat that Ezekiel sprouted grain bread or low carb tortillas etc. I eat spaghetti with the family but go easy on the pasta. I LOVE coffee - but use sugar free creamer instead of fat free creamer. So I eat like a moderate low carb-er.
I also run 2-3 days a week and my goal is to lift weights twice a week but I have been really lacking on that one - but its on the agenda anyway. My family/life/work schedule is hectic - I get 5 hours of sleep a night on average, see a counselor a couple times of year to help me refocus, go to church regularly and read my bible every day. I'm not particularly cranky, have plenty of energy, take no medications (just calcium and omega 3 fish oil when I remember) and have no health issues.
So, yeah, I'm confident I have not had any adverse effects.
Those results are horrible, out of a total 28 lbs lost you lost 15.4 lbs of lean body weight, that is a lot, and the less lean muscle you have the slower your metabolism, so you did slow your metabolism down with HCG. You actually lost more muscle than fat, why would anyone do a diet where you lose more muscle than fat.
Couldnt agree with you more. I like my muscle and want to keep as much as possible! Anything that would cause a 15lb muscle loss is a no go here0 -
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The results are NOT horrible.
If you lose weight, you WILL lose lean weight also.
If “Sue” weighs 200 lbs and is 30% body fat, she is 140lbs lean and 60lbs fat.
If she drops to 150 without losing any lean she now weighs 140 lean and 10 fat – that’s only 7% body fat – NOT POSSIBLE.
At 150, if she was 25% body fat, she would be 112.5 lbs lean and 37.5lbs fat, meaning she lost 27.5lbs lean weight and 22.5lbs fat weight.
These are GREAT statistics.
IT IS THE RATIO OF FAT TO LEAN OR THE BODY FAT PERCENTAGE THAT YOU SHOULD BE PAYING ATTENTION TO.
If you think you can lose a significant amount of weight without losing any lean weight, you’re kidding yourself.
@ erickirb – that is my routine now . . during the 3-4 week low cal phase I run once weekly.0 -
Those results are horrible, out of a total 28 lbs lost you lost 15.4 lbs of lean body weight, that is a lot, and the less lean muscle you have the slower your metabolism, so you did slow your metabolism down with HCG. You actually lost more muscle than fat, why would anyone do a diet where you lose more muscle than fat.
So what would be good numbers, then?0 -
Too rigid for me. I would not be able to hold out for the long haul.0
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Those results are horrible, out of a total 28 lbs lost you lost 15.4 lbs of lean body weight, that is a lot, and the less lean muscle you have the slower your metabolism, so you did slow your metabolism down with HCG. You actually lost more muscle than fat, why would anyone do a diet where you lose more muscle than fat.
So what would be good numbers, then?
with a 28lb weight loss you would not want to lose more than 1-5 lbs of muscle (<20% of your loss) if you don't have a lot to lose, if you had a lot to lose you would only want to lose 0-5% so out of 28 lbs that would be 0-1.5 loss of muscle.
The slower you lose weight the less muscle you will lose, as your deficit is better for your body given the amount of fat you have. On top of that if you strength train and eat a good amount of protein you can limit the amount of muscle you will lose.0 -
The results are NOT horrible.
If you lose weight, you WILL lose lean weight also.
If “Sue” weighs 200 lbs and is 30% body fat, she is 140lbs lean and 60lbs fat.
If she drops to 150 without losing any lean she now weighs 140 lean and 10 fat – that’s only 7% body fat – NOT POSSIBLE.
At 150, if she was 25% body fat, she would be 112.5 lbs lean and 37.5lbs fat, meaning she lost 27.5lbs lean weight and 22.5lbs fat weight.
These are GREAT statistics.
IT IS THE RATIO OF FAT TO LEAN OR THE BODY FAT PERCENTAGE THAT YOU SHOULD BE PAYING ATTENTION TO.
If you think you can lose a significant amount of weight without losing any lean weight, you’re kidding yourself.
@ erickirb – that is my routine now . . during the 3-4 week low cal phase I run once weekly.
If you DIET CORRECTLY, you will lose very very very minimal muscle mass. That's why you're supposed to do it slowly while lifting weights to maintain muscle mass. Stupid diets like HCG don't take that into account because it's all about scale weight and starving yourself. If that's the case, just don't drink water for a couple days and then weigh yourself. You can lose a solid 10 pounds that way. Who cares if it's not healthy!0 -
The results are NOT horrible.
If you lose weight, you WILL lose lean weight also.
If “Sue” weighs 200 lbs and is 30% body fat, she is 140lbs lean and 60lbs fat.
If she drops to 150 without losing any lean she now weighs 140 lean and 10 fat – that’s only 7% body fat – NOT POSSIBLE.
At 150, if she was 25% body fat, she would be 112.5 lbs lean and 37.5lbs fat, meaning she lost 27.5lbs lean weight and 22.5lbs fat weight.
These are GREAT statistics.
IT IS THE RATIO OF FAT TO LEAN OR THE BODY FAT PERCENTAGE THAT YOU SHOULD BE PAYING ATTENTION TO.
If you think you can lose a significant amount of weight without losing any lean weight, you’re kidding yourself.
@ erickirb – that is my routine now . . during the 3-4 week low cal phase I run once weekly.
I am aware you will lose muscle but it would be much better if this 200 lb person with 140 lbs lean lost 50 lbs, slowly to where they only lose 10 lbs lean mass (20% of total loss), which would be them at 150 with 130 lbs lean mass, and 20 lbs of fat with a BF% of 13.3%, not that is really low, but 30% BF is not that high to begin with, so most likely this 200 lb person should only be aiming for a 30 lb loss to 170 and of the 30,6 lb loss would be lean, so now lean mass 134 total weight 170, 36lbs of fat or now 21.1% BF% at 170, vs your number of 150 25%.0 -
I can tell you from first hand experience you dont always lose muscle while losing weight. I started my journey at 18% body fat at 210 lbs and now i am 195 a 11% body fat. If you train right and eat well the weight comes off without affecting lean muscle mass.0
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That data is a great argument. You make a valid and respectable point.
From that perspective, I would agree that my numbers are not as stellar as I have argued them to be.
My goal then, should be and is to dedicate more time to resistance/weight training (which I have been meaning to do anyway) to adjust my body composition/ body fat percentage without any change in weight.
I still feel that the Hcg diet was effective and not detrimental to my health. At the very least, it helped me break though a plateau to reach new numbers.
Not everyone is successful "dieting correctly". But generally I feel" diet failure" is most often a result of one's ability (or lack thereof) to stick to a program, regardless of what program it is.0 -
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That data is a great argument. You make a valid and respectable point.
From that perspective, I would agree that my numbers are not as stellar as I have argued them to be.
My goal then, should be and is to dedicate more time to resistance/weight training (which I have been meaning to do anyway) to adjust my body composition/ body fat percentage without any change in weight.
I still feel that the Hcg diet was effective and not detrimental to my health. At the very least, it helped me break though a plateau to reach new numbers.
Not everyone is successful "dieting correctly". But generally I feel" diet failure" is most often a result of one's ability (or lack thereof) to stick to a program, regardless of what program it is.
I would like to say, you are probably the only one I have encountered so far that has been able to take constructive criticism on this board regarding HCG and I would like to say thank you. Unfortunately, even when you show people the math, they don't want to hear it becauase they believe the number on the scale outweighs the health benefits. Too many people associate light weight with good health. Hell, I have seen matharon runners diet of heart attacks from eating like crap (but they were skinny).
And keep in mind, we never said the diet didn't work, many of us just argue it isn't good for your system and goes against every reputable health organizations recommendations due to the low caloric intake. There are cheaper and healthier routes than HCG but they require work. I have seen the same weight lose results with these programs but it does require you to workout 6 days a week. The programs I speak of are stuff like p90x, insanity, turbo fire, etc... My friend went from 280 to 235 in 90 days of p90x eating 1800 calories a day with a splurge day on saturday.
Also, it's great that HCG didn't screw you up, unfortunately, there are a lot of people out there that the results are a lot different and severely mess their system up.
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Starving yourself/malnurishing your body will never work for long term results. Its taken me over a year and a half to lose 133 lbs- but I am doing it without harming my body. I haven't lost muscle- I'm turning into an athlete, doing things that I never imagined I could do (run a 10K, workout hard and with purpose, shopping in non-plus size stores, ect), and have a lot of energy. Literally, I can't imagine living on 500 cals a day- not worth it to me. Not worth doing a fad diet, just to go back to the way you were before and gain it all back. Slowly make the changes, and get on a path to a healthier life. I've come to figure out that losing weight is more mental than physical. If you don't do any of the mental changes and work- you will be back at square one.
^ this well said.0
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