bye bye red meats
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I would recommend getting a couple of good vegetarian cookery books. I could give you a mile long list of recipes, but it would take me an age to write, and the thread will get lost in 6 hours. Cranks bible is brilliant. If you are a good cook, so are the Rachael Demuth books.0
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personally, and no offence but i am not going to sit here and argue/defend my reasoning.
It's my choice that I have chosen and it's what *I* feel is right for me. I was asking for suggestions as far as the new menu goes. Not for debating about my decision.
I just hate to see someone put their health and well being at risk by removing products from the eating plan based on myths and untruths.0 -
For all those who are convinced you need red meat I recommend that you watch Forks over knives. You can get all the nutrition that meat gives you from other foods. You do not need it.
You can not get Vitamin B12 from any other source other than animal products.
I was so deficient in Vitamin B12 when I was vegetarian that I could barely get out of bed. And I am one that does not like to take a lot of supplements, when I can just get what I need from my food.
Marmite is full of B12. It's only strict vegans who don't eat yeast who have any problem with that.
Actually, Marmite only supplies 25% of the daily recommended B12.0 -
As I enter this thread, I do an about face and walk back out for I do not wish to get into an arguement with the anti-animal eaters that are abundant on this site.
There is just a no-win situation with this.
/closes door on way out0 -
Grilled fish is really good. there is always buffalo (bison) venison and red meats are fine if you keep at 6 oz0
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As I enter this thread, I do an about face and walk back out for I do not wish to get into an arguement with the anti-animal eaters that are abundant on this site.
There is just a no-win situation with this.
/closes door on way out
I am right behind you. I just shake my head as I have been there and done that. Never again will I sacrifice my health based on things that are myths and lies being told to people for a greater agenda.0 -
To the OP if you are going to cut out meats eventually, you probably want to start thinking about a good source of protein for your kids and yourself. In the mean time, you can do a lot with fish & chicken without frying it. I grill both of them often no need to get fancy just sprinkle with seasonings or use a store bought marinade. Salmon & Tilapia are both great baked or grilled with simple seasonings (garlic powder, lemon pepper, parsley......)0
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I did this for a year, I cut out all meats and it was hard at first but eventually you get used to it and trust me you will feel great! I love cooking salmon, just use some salt, pepper and lemon juice and bake it in the oven. Also scalops on some whole wheat pasta is always a delicious dinner!
Until you cut out meat altogether you can also try coconut chicken, all you do is dip the chicken breasts in egg whites and then unsweetened coconut. Then you fry it lightly in coconut oil, my brothers nutritionist gave us this recipe and it is one of my favorite meals!
Good Luck!!!0 -
personally, and no offence but i am not going to sit here and argue/defend my reasoning.
It's my choice that I have chosen and it's what *I* feel is right for me. I was asking for suggestions as far as the new menu goes. Not for debating about my decision.
I think people were just curious as to the rationale. I was too.0 -
For all those who are convinced you need red meat I recommend that you watch Forks over knives. You can get all the nutrition that meat gives you from other foods. You do not need it.
Someone might have already said this, so if this has already been said then oops and sorry......but one could counter this and say to watch Fat Head to see the other side of things.0 -
For all those who are convinced you need red meat I recommend that you watch Forks over knives. You can get all the nutrition that meat gives you from other foods. You do not need it.
You can not get Vitamin B12 from any other source other than animal products.
I was so deficient in Vitamin B12 when I was vegetarian that I could barely get out of bed. And I am one that does not like to take a lot of supplements, when I can just get what I need from my food.
Marmite is full of B12. It's only strict vegans who don't eat yeast who have any problem with that.
Marmite only contains B12 because it's fortified with it. Otherwise it's an excellent source of salt and modest amounts of other B vitamins. It's high in glutamic acid (naturally occuring MSG) and is a known exitotoxin. Personally, wouldn't touch the stuff.
To the OP, like all of us here on MFP, you'll make your own decisions, but I must say I am mighty impressed your Grandma is 97 years old and you're thinking red meat might be the cause of the stroke. I don't know ... maybe it's because she's at the extreme of human longevity? My best wishes for her speedy recovery.0 -
For all those who are convinced you need red meat I recommend that you watch Forks over knives. You can get all the nutrition that meat gives you from other foods. You do not need it.
You can not get Vitamin B12 from any other source other than animal products.
I was so deficient in Vitamin B12 when I was vegetarian that I could barely get out of bed. And I am one that does not like to take a lot of supplements, when I can just get what I need from my food.
Marmite is full of B12. It's only strict vegans who don't eat yeast who have any problem with that.
Or you could always take a vitamin supplement.0 -
As I enter this thread, I do an about face and walk back out for I do not wish to get into an arguement with the anti-animal eaters that are abundant on this site.
There is just a no-win situation with this.
/closes door on way out
Hey! You didn't hold it for me! Rude! ;-)0 -
As I enter this thread, I do an about face and walk back out for I do not wish to get into an arguement with the anti-animal eaters that are abundant on this site.
There is just a no-win situation with this.
/closes door on way out
Hey! You didn't hold it for me! Rude! ;-)
Wait for me!0 -
Wal-Mart has groceries? Sorry, a bit off topic, but I've never heard of Wal-Mart having food! *amilivingunderarock?*
Seriously?? Walmart's in Texas are massive and include a fully loaded grocery store, furniture (kitchen tables, living room furniture, etc), outdoor section. You can find almost anything in Walmart!0 -
I use the Jennie-O turkey products in place of red meat. I use them for tacos, spaghetti, even meatloaf.
I love seafood. I eat it a lot. If you're not sure about fish try starting out with tilapia. It's mild and easy to prepare. You can do it in the oven or the grill.
Salmon is delicious but not everyone can handle it's strong flavor. Swordfish is good too but a little higher in mercury so you don't want to eat it often. Fish can range in flavor from mild to strong, and can be light and flaky or meaty. You just have to find what your preference is.
Good luck! And good job taking action.0 -
Walmarts (here at least) are stocked with a nice variety of hummus (I didn't realize until recently there were so many varieties from herb hummus to black olive hummus, etc. All the ones I have had are very good, including the regular/plain one.) I find them by the deli section.
I love fish - all fish. I will wrap it in foil, drizzle with a few drops of olive or canola oil (so it doesn't burn to the foil), sprinkle with seasonings (you can use all sorts of them from lemmon pepper to paprika, etc.). Sometimes I will squeeze a lemon slice or two over them too. Put them on the grill for about 13 minutes and yumm-O!! If you live up north and don't grill much, just toss them in a baking dish (spraying your dish with non stick spray or oil) and season and cook.
I can't speak for replacements for red meat b/c I'm a huge meat and protein eater, but I would imagine if you are trying to omit meats you will need other forms of high protein foods such as eggs, cheeses, and greek yogurt, along with the beans, etc.
Maybe you can get some boca burgers -- they are not bad and make a pretty good 'hamburger.'0 -
personally, and no offence but i am not going to sit here and argue/defend my reasoning.
It's my choice that I have chosen and it's what *I* feel is right for me. I was asking for suggestions as far as the new menu goes. Not for debating about my decision.
I agree! Everyone eats differently and we all need to do what works best for us. I thought some of the posts were pretty harsh and out of line.0 -
I don't eat red meat because it makes me ill. Doctor recommended I cut it out and now I eat chicken seven ways to Sunday.
The two things I have to ensure I get enough of w/o red meat are protein and iron. Chicken and turkey cover the protein, along with other things like almonds, eggs, cheese, etc.
Iron in green veggies like broccoli, and I usually eat a bowl of Raisin Bran at the end of the day to top up my iron if I'm low.
Meal ideas
We use ground chicken or turkey anywhere that you would have used hamburger. Meal loaf, burgers, spaghetti sauce, etc. The taste is milder and a bit sweeter, but we're all used to it now.
There is no substitute for a steak, and boy, do I miss that, but grilled chicken isn't bad. My wife also uses chicken to make tacos, fajitas, casseroles, dumplings, etc. Lots of on-line recipes that use chicken, and all cuts, so if cost is an issue, get some ideas from the 'net.
Once in a while I'll grill a steak or real burgers for my wife and son, and I'll grill chicken along side it. They still enjoy it and it doesn't make them ill.
Good luck with your food choices, and as one who is red-meat free, not by choice, you can do it, and you will adapt!0 -
personally, and no offence but i am not going to sit here and argue/defend my reasoning.
It's my choice that I have chosen and it's what *I* feel is right for me. I was asking for suggestions as far as the new menu goes. Not for debating about my decision.
I agree! Everyone eats differently and we all need to do what works best for us. I thought some of the posts were pretty harsh and out of line.
I'm pretty sure the posts were harsh based on the reasoning behind the claim, not the claim itself. Let's make a quick example of it here:
1) I'm deciding to not eat red meat anymore
^----Ok, good for you.
2) I'm deciding to not eat red meat anymore because it's unhealthy
^----Red flag.
Making false claims is the problem, not the choice of cutting out meat.0 -
oh, man- baked/broiled fish is my favorite. I hate fried fish. Frying it totally obliterates the flavor.
It's super easy to do as well. Depending on the flavor you are looking for rinse your fish, sprinkle it with olive oil, spices (I like throwing some freshly grated Parmesan on there too, and broil on high until the flesh is flaky.
That's why fried fish is my favorite way to eat it.
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personally, and no offence but i am not going to sit here and argue/defend my reasoning.
It's my choice that I have chosen and it's what *I* feel is right for me. I was asking for suggestions as far as the new menu goes. Not for debating about my decision.
I agree! Everyone eats differently and we all need to do what works best for us. I thought some of the posts were pretty harsh and out of line.
I'm pretty sure the posts were harsh based on the reasoning behind the claim, not the claim itself. Let's make a quick example of it here:
1) I'm deciding to not eat red meat anymore
^----Ok, good for you.
2) I'm deciding to not eat red meat anymore because it's unhealthy
^----Red flag.
Making false claims is the problem, not the choice of cutting out meat.
Exactly. :drinker:0 -
Congratulations on your decision, even if I don't agree with your reasoning. I could never cut red meats out of my diet. Life would not be worth living for me without the occasional steak. It's my favorite food and always will be.0
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I have a hard time digesting red meat for whatever reason. I'm not a vegetarian, and never was one for very long. I limit my red meat consumption.
I pan cook my fish with non-stick spray. I marinate it in lime juice and minced garlic first if it's a thick piece of fish. Lime juice "cooks" the fish so you might find your fish has turned white. If the fish is thin I just put Port Royal Fish Fry seasoning on it and throw that into the pan. Have some leafy greens to keep your iron up, hun.0 -
Isn't there a cholesterol issue with red meat? (I have low cholesterol, so I've never paid attention)
I buy a quarter beef every other year or so from a friend who grows them, so no hormones, grass fed not corn fed (makes them fat), barley finished (tastes like beer), and lived their entire lives less than 5 miles from my house.
An alternative strategy may be to have turkey burger instead of hamburger, and sirloin steak (the best one health wise) once in a while as a treat. Venison and elk is really good. Still red though.0 -
We didn't eat read meat for years...until our pediatrician informed me that my two son's were anemic. They have ridges in their toe nails. I had no clue. We still eat ground turkey and chicken, but I have been adding lean red meats back because of that.0
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Yes!!!Wal-Mart has groceries? Sorry, a bit off topic, but I've never heard of Wal-Mart having food! *amilivingunderarock?*
I thought all Walmarts carried foods now. Both of the ones near me are Super Centers with a full grocery store.0 -
I make quiche at least once a week. The eggs provide great protein and you can use sliced potatoes for a base instead of pie crust. For 4 portions, I usually use about 6 eggs, a handful of chopped broccoli, some onion and red peppers, whatever spices I can find that sound good that day, a splash of milk and sprinkle it with about 1/4 cup of shredded cheese. I do sometimes use the pilbury pie crusts which add a ton of calories, but are super easy!
One thing to watch out for if you are cutting back the red meat is the soy meat replacer products. I started using them for a few months 3 or 4 times a week, but then found out that soy can be really bad for women. Too much soy can cause hormone fluctuations. I was already at a higher risk for them and they just made the problem worse. I haven't touched soy in close to a year now and my hormones are back on track.
We still eat red meat once a week or so, but I would love to cut it out. Ground turkey takes the place of it in most things and I have started using pork sausage in our pasta sauce. Lots of luck to you and your family!0 -
Isn't there a cholesterol issue with red meat? (I have low cholesterol, so I've never paid attention)
I buy a quarter beef every other year or so from a friend who grows them, so no hormones, grass fed not corn fed (makes them fat), barley finished (tastes like beer), and lived their entire lives less than 5 miles from my house.
An alternative strategy may be to have turkey burger instead of hamburger, and sirloin steak (the best one health wise) once in a while as a treat. Venison and elk is really good. Still red though.
You're lucky to have a quality beef source. Grass fed beef has an excellent fat profile--omega 3 almost on par with wild caught salmon, and lower fat overall than feedlot/corn fed beef. Like grass fed beef, game animals like deer, elk, moose, etc., also haven't had the antibiotics for growth and disease treatment needed in the crowded conditions of CAFO.0 -
I said ANOTHER stroke. this wasnt her first. and she isnt the only one in the family with a history of them. i never said red meat was the cause of her stroke either...For all those who are convinced you need red meat I recommend that you watch Forks over knives. You can get all the nutrition that meat gives you from other foods. You do not need it.
You can not get Vitamin B12 from any other source other than animal products.
I was so deficient in Vitamin B12 when I was vegetarian that I could barely get out of bed. And I am one that does not like to take a lot of supplements, when I can just get what I need from my food.
Marmite is full of B12. It's only strict vegans who don't eat yeast who have any problem with that.
Marmite only contains B12 because it's fortified with it. Otherwise it's an excellent source of salt and modest amounts of other B vitamins. It's high in glutamic acid (naturally occuring MSG) and is a known exitotoxin. Personally, wouldn't touch the stuff.
To the OP, like all of us here on MFP, you'll make your own decisions, but I must say I am mighty impressed your Grandma is 97 years old and you're thinking red meat might be the cause of the stroke. I don't know ... maybe it's because she's at the extreme of human longevity? My best wishes for her speedy recovery.0
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