PETA suing Sea World
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The sad thing is PETA *could* be a great organization, doing great things for animals. But, instead they always take things to the extreme, thus losing ALL their credibility. PETA is its own worst enemy. They actually hurt the very cause they're trying to promote.0
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im not really a PETA fan but ive always felt so bad for killer whales, dolphins etc... they are these giant majestic animals that are confined to a small tank to perform for our amusement. doesnt seem right.
They are -not-. that's just the performance tank. They rotate the animals out daily from their actual enclosure.
im sure whatever their actual enclosure is its way smaller than the ocean right? you really think a killer whale or an animal as intelligent as a dolphin is happy in any enclosure? or what about gorillas you see at the zoo? its sad to look into their eyes.
You're anthropomorphizing. Do you have any kind of animal behavior background?0 -
Seems to me it's become a business rather than some org that protects animals.0
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Might go out for sushi at lunch. Save the Egg Flower Soup for tomorrow.0
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im not really a PETA fan but ive always felt so bad for killer whales, dolphins etc... they are these giant majestic animals that are confined to a small tank to perform for our amusement. doesnt seem right.
They are -not-. that's just the performance tank. They rotate the animals out daily from their actual enclosure.
im sure whatever their actual enclosure is its way smaller than the ocean right? you really think a killer whale or an animal as intelligent as a dolphin is happy in any enclosure? or what about gorillas you see at the zoo? its sad to look into their eyes.
You're anthropomorphizing. Do you have any kind of animal behavior background?
lets take an extreme example. do you think the elephants that are chained up at Barnum and Bailey and forced to perform enjoy their life as much as elephants in the wild?0 -
The tanks still arent big enough! I think Sea world does help sick & injuried animals, but i think the animals that are rehabed should be let go & not made to entertain people.im not really a PETA fan but ive always felt so bad for killer whales, dolphins etc... they are these giant majestic animals that are confined to a small tank to perform for our amusement. doesnt seem right.
They are -not-. that's just the performance tank. They rotate the animals out daily from their actual enclosure.0 -
I'm a Member of PETA ... People Eating Tasty Animals
Not a PETA Fan, or an HSUS Fan. Both organizations do more harm than good. Leave our Agricultural & Animal Industries alone.
^^^^^^^^^:drinker: :laugh:
I am a member of the same PETA People Eating Tasty Animals!!! Thats what My husband says. PETA people are stupid and need to get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PETA aside, this is something that will never happen. Granting constitutional rights to animals would be a very slippery slope that would create a lot of other long-term issues. What about farmers raising cattle, either for milk or meat? Chickens? The argument could then be made that ANY animal in a captive setting should be granted constitutional rights.
That said, I wanted to work at Sea World when I was younger as one of the orca trainers. I ADORE orcas, dolphins, whales, etc. Personally I'm a bit torn on the whales being confined in such a small space (and yes, compared to them otherwise swimming in the OCEAN, the tank is small). But then again, they do so much for conservation and informing the public about the environment, it gives the public a chance to get up close and personal with animals and brings awareness to environmental issues, etc.
The other problem is that the whales currently in captivity have little chance of survival in the wild. They attempted that with Keiko, and he continuously returned to have interactions with humans, and never integrated with a wild pod. Eventually he died from pneumonia, which is a concern due to captive animals being reintroduced to the ocean which is full of foreign bacteria etc that their bodies have not been in contact with for a number of years. That and to fully REHAB an animal for return to the wild, reteach it how to swim, catch its own food, etc is a HUGE (read EXPENSIVE) undertaking that can take years, with unknown end results.0 -
If you agree animals should be let out of the small confined areas then you need to let your dog out of the house- its confined for an animal that could have the land to run free on.0
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The tanks still arent big enough! I think Sea world does help sick & injuried animals, but i think the animals that are rehabed should be let go & not made to entertain people.im not really a PETA fan but ive always felt so bad for killer whales, dolphins etc... they are these giant majestic animals that are confined to a small tank to perform for our amusement. doesnt seem right.
They are -not-. that's just the performance tank. They rotate the animals out daily from their actual enclosure.
Problem is most animals will not survive once released into the wild.
I'm not saying Sea World and places like it are perfect but for the most part they're doing the best they can for the animals.
People need to be more worried about the joe schmo idiot who has a tiger in a dog kennel in his back yard or the people who buy wild animals off the black market to raise or breed for money, those are the kinds of things that worry me, not animals that are being cared for by professionals.0 -
im not really a PETA fan but ive always felt so bad for killer whales, dolphins etc... they are these giant majestic animals that are confined to a small tank to perform for our amusement. doesnt seem right.
They are -not-. that's just the performance tank. They rotate the animals out daily from their actual enclosure.
http://tinypic.com/r/5xnyvd/5
I don't care what anyone says. A majestic animal such as the orca should NOT be enclosed in a swimming pool, or be used for anyone's entertainment.0 -
im not really a PETA fan but ive always felt so bad for killer whales, dolphins etc... they are these giant majestic animals that are confined to a small tank to perform for our amusement. doesnt seem right.
They are -not-. that's just the performance tank. They rotate the animals out daily from their actual enclosure.
http://tinypic.com/r/5xnyvd/5
I don't care what anyone says. A majestic animal such as the orca should NOT be enclosed in a swimming pool, or be used for anyone's entertainment.
While i'm not completely disagreeing with you, what is the alternative?
What else should they do with these animals that they take and rehab because they would otherwise die if left in the wild? Shall we leave them in the wild and say not our problem? Just let nature take care of it?0 -
Does any one here who keeps saying wild animals should be released after rehab like to go to the zoo? God I hope not that would make you hypocrites, most animals that are put through a rehab by a reputable facility are also tested after to find the possibility of returning to the wild. These test at least for land animals include things like hunting skills, how they react towards humans, do they have the fight left in them to survive...and so on. When an animal loses its ability to live in the wild due to human interaction, it is better off living in captivity where it will survive.0
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If you agree animals should be let out of the small confined areas then you need to let your dog out of the house- its confined for an animal that could have the land to run free on.
there is no difference in wild animals and domesticated animals?
and for the animals already in captivity i agree that for the most part they shouldnt be released because that would be more cruel.0 -
That's PETA's stand on it. They'd rather euthanize animals than rehabilitate them. Better for them to be dead than living, don't ya know?im not really a PETA fan but ive always felt so bad for killer whales, dolphins etc... they are these giant majestic animals that are confined to a small tank to perform for our amusement. doesnt seem right.
They are -not-. that's just the performance tank. They rotate the animals out daily from their actual enclosure.
http://tinypic.com/r/5xnyvd/5
I don't care what anyone says. A majestic animal such as the orca should NOT be enclosed in a swimming pool, or be used for anyone's entertainment.
While i'm not completely disagreeing with you, what is the alternative?
What else should they do with these animals that they take and rehab because they would otherwise die if left in the wild? Shall we leave them in the wild and say not our problem? Just let nature take care of it?0 -
The sad thing is PETA *could* be a great organization, doing great things for animals. But, instead they always take things to the extreme, thus losing ALL their credibility. PETA is its own worst enemy. They actually hurt the very cause they're trying to promote.
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PETA is a monstrous organization and I despise being affiliated with them when people find out that I'm an animal lover. Seaworld is a fantastic organization that treats their animals splendidly and has done a LOT in the way of conservation - from raising money, protecting habitats and successful breeding programs for endangered animals and even showing that animal training can be done in a positive, healthy way without forcing dominance/punishment styles of training. PETA takes the focus away from REAL animal rights groups that are actually making progress and actually do -far- more harm than good.
^^^ This!:drinker:
ditto. Peta is the group that doesn't believe in having pets. They'd rather I release my pugs into the wild and let nature take its course, which I can promise you, would end in the death of my pugs in less than 24 hours. They're not wild animals and not capable of survival without kibble and a soft pillow to lie on.
I did a behind the scenes tour at SeaWorld last year and they treat their animals very well. They have a large team of people deciding how much activities might stress an animal and some animals are kept in the back and not allowed public access at all. Trainers aren't allowed to become too friendly with the manatees because they have to be released back into the wild and it's not healthy for them to be too trusting of humans (they don't want them going near the boats). Yeah, they make a large amount of money off of the animals, but if you start with seaworld then zoos, aquariums, and anyone else with domesticated animals is at risk of being sued.0 -
My rife in my ticker is for shooting yummy 4 legged animals, and dangerous 2 legged ones.0
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This is why I hate them too. Too extreme for my tastes.The sad thing is PETA *could* be a great organization, doing great things for animals. But, instead they always take things to the extreme, thus losing ALL their credibility. PETA is its own worst enemy. They actually hurt the very cause they're trying to promote.
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When did my dog get constitutional rights against slavery? huh? wha?0
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im not really a PETA fan but ive always felt so bad for killer whales, dolphins etc... they are these giant majestic animals that are confined to a small tank to perform for our amusement. doesnt seem right.
They are -not-. that's just the performance tank. They rotate the animals out daily from their actual enclosure.
im sure whatever their actual enclosure is its way smaller than the ocean right? you really think a killer whale or an animal as intelligent as a dolphin is happy in any enclosure? or what about gorillas you see at the zoo? its sad to look into their eyes.
You can't say that they AREN'T happy, either. They get food every day, get water every day, don't have to worry about predators, even provided toys, get vet care, and if they have to get put down, then it's typical not done in as savage a manner as would happen in the wild.
Social animals tend to be kept socially, and vice versa.
Every animal I've seen seems to be content as long as their basic needs are met. They usually aren't sitting there with "sad" eyes.
I think too many people project their human emotions onto animals. Animals just don't think like us, or behave like us.0 -
im not really a PETA fan but ive always felt so bad for killer whales, dolphins etc... they are these giant majestic animals that are confined to a small tank to perform for our amusement. doesnt seem right.
They are -not-. that's just the performance tank. They rotate the animals out daily from their actual enclosure.
im sure whatever their actual enclosure is its way smaller than the ocean right? you really think a killer whale or an animal as intelligent as a dolphin is happy in any enclosure? or what about gorillas you see at the zoo? its sad to look into their eyes.
They do a lot to make sure the dolphins are intellectually challenged. On my tour they were playing all kinds of games with them and it was pretty awesome. You could also tell that the dolphins had clear preferences for *their* trainers over the others. Zoos I can't speak to-- but Seaworld is staffed with trained professionals who genuinely care about the well-being of the animals.0 -
im not really a PETA fan but ive always felt so bad for killer whales, dolphins etc... they are these giant majestic animals that are confined to a small tank to perform for our amusement. doesnt seem right.
They are -not-. that's just the performance tank. They rotate the animals out daily from their actual enclosure.
http://tinypic.com/r/5xnyvd/5
I don't care what anyone says. A majestic animal such as the orca should NOT be enclosed in a swimming pool, or be used for anyone's entertainment.
While i'm not completely disagreeing with you, what is the alternative?
What else should they do with these animals that they take and rehab because they would otherwise die if left in the wild? Shall we leave them in the wild and say not our problem? Just let nature take care of it?
These animals should not even be caught to begin with. Why take them out of their natural habitat and force them to perform and make money off of them? It's not fair. In the wild orcas are meant to swim miles, and in captivity, they get depressed [hence the flipped over fins] and they just swim in circles in a swimming pool the size of a backyard. It's pretty sad.0 -
In other words, you'd rather the injured animals just die, rather than be rescued and rehabbed. I've never understood that point of view. I find an injured animal, I think, how can I save that animal? I don't think, gee that animal would probably much rather lay there suffering and die than have me rescue it...0
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an injured animal is food to another animal. circle of life! 0
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im not really a PETA fan but ive always felt so bad for killer whales, dolphins etc... they are these giant majestic animals that are confined to a small tank to perform for our amusement. doesnt seem right.
They are -not-. that's just the performance tank. They rotate the animals out daily from their actual enclosure.
http://tinypic.com/r/5xnyvd/5
I don't care what anyone says. A majestic animal such as the orca should NOT be enclosed in a swimming pool, or be used for anyone's entertainment.
While i'm not completely disagreeing with you, what is the alternative?
What else should they do with these animals that they take and rehab because they would otherwise die if left in the wild? Shall we leave them in the wild and say not our problem? Just let nature take care of it?
These animals should not even be caught to begin with. Why take them out of their natural habitat and force them to perform and make money off of them? It's not fair. In the wild orcas are meant to swim miles, and in captivity, they get depressed [hence the flipped over fins] and they just swim in circles in a swimming pool the size of a backyard. It's pretty sad.
You don't get it. The animals are NOT taken out of the wild to be profited off of, they are taken to be rehabilitated and if it is in their best interest to be released back into the wild then they are. Not all animals that are captured are kept in captivity.
Of course places like sea world and zoos have to make money off the animals unfortunately, they aren't free to keep alive.
Yes you can argue(as a person above stated) that we can just leave them to die as nature intended, but some people don't feel that way and if they're willing to give the animal a chance at life then that's fine by me.0 -
Have a feeling this might get good....
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Another good point. I remember as a kid, we would rescue hurt birds, kittens, etc, and try to help them. They always died, but still we tried to help them.In other words, you'd rather the injured animals just die, rather than be rescued and rehabbed. I've never understood that point of view. I find an injured animal, I think, how can I save that animal? I don't think, gee that animal would probably much rather lay there suffering and die than have me rescue it...0 -
Does anybody have an opinion on the part that would give ANIMALS Constitutional Rights??? That's kind of important.0
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