Limiting potatoes in school lunches
bcattoes
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I read a post about this a while back but that post did not mention that the USDA's proposal was not only to limit potatoes but included a requirement of what could be served in it's place as this article suggests. This sounds like a good idea to me.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu//nutritionsource/nutrition-news/potato-and-school-lunch/index.html
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu//nutritionsource/nutrition-news/potato-and-school-lunch/index.html
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Rediculious, but not surprised. Now starchy vegetables are evil lol.0
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I think that they need to start on broader topics. Like REMOVING the freaking pop machines from the schools and removing more of the crap food that they sell at the lunch time concession stands.
ALSO. Nutrition needs to start at home. anybody younger than 30. think back to highschool... grade school.... how many kids ate the greasy pizza and threw away the vegetable. we need to teach and encourage our children from home to eat healthier so they do it when out and about. don't put all the blame on others such as the school....0 -
LOL I just watched the episode of Glee last night where Sue Sylvester bans tater tots.0
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I think that they need to start on broader topics. Like REMOVING the freaking pop machines from the schools and removing more of the crap food that they sell at the lunch time concession stands.
Hmm, none of the schools in my area allow pop or snack machines. I guess that must be a state or county rule here.0 -
Potatoes are a good source of vitamins and minerals, and while I do think it is a good idea to limit the fried potato, I think maybe the focus should be more on changing the preperation of it.0
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Rediculious, but not surprised. Now starchy vegetables are evil lol.
??? The article did not say starchy vegetables were evil.0 -
Hmm, none of the schools in my area allow pop or snack machines. I guess that must be a state or county rule here.
It must be. I grew up in California, where we DID have them ( 11 years ago.....) I do not know how things are there now. But here in Rural Minnesota, I see the pop machines when we go to public events at the middle and highschool. so they are still here.0 -
Potatoes are a good source of vitamins and minerals, and while I do think it is a good idea to limit the fried potato, I think maybe the focus should be more on changing the preperation of it.
Gosh, I didn't realize so many people wouldn't read the article.
Excerpt:
Potatoes do contain important nutrients—vitamin C, potassium, and vitamin B6, to name a few. But the potato is not the only source of these nutrients, nor is it the best: Cup for cup, for example, broccoli has nearly nine times as much vitamin C as a potato, and white beans have about double the potassium. Yet a cup of potatoes has a similar effect on blood sugar as a can of Coca Cola or a handful of jelly beans. (10) That’s a high metabolic price to pay for nutrients that children can easily get from other sources.0 -
Potatos are nutritional ......don't understand why they would stop serving them. I agree with limiting the chips and fried ones, but let's find something more important to worry about in schools.0
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Instead of demonizing potatoes, why don't they encourage more physical activity in schools? It seems to me that it would be a more cost-effective way to curb obesity in children as well as help establish exercise habits.0
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Interesting article on potatoes.0
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Instead of demonizing potatoes, why don't they encourage more physical activity in schools? It seems to me that it would be a more cost-effective way to curb obesity in children as well as help establish exercise habits.
Limiting is not demonizing, but I agree with your thought, only I would suggest "in addition to limiting potatoes, why don't they ..."0 -
Potatoes are a good source of vitamins and minerals, and while I do think it is a good idea to limit the fried potato, I think maybe the focus should be more on changing the preperation of it.
Gosh, I didn't realize so many people wouldn't read the article.
Excerpt:
Potatoes do contain important nutrients—vitamin C, potassium, and vitamin B6, to name a few. But the potato is not the only source of these nutrients, nor is it the best: Cup for cup, for example, broccoli has nearly nine times as much vitamin C as a potato, and white beans have about double the potassium. Yet a cup of potatoes has a similar effect on blood sugar as a can of Coca Cola or a handful of jelly beans. (10) That’s a high metabolic price to pay for nutrients that children can easily get from other sources.
This article is idiotic
First they demonize potatoes based on GI, which is completely useless unless you're a sedentary diabletic consuming a high-carb hypercaloric diet.
But this was my favorite:
"A similar long-term study found that high potato and French fry intakes were linked to a greater risk of diabetes in women, and that replacing potatoes with whole grains could lower diabetes risk. "
LULZ, as if there were no other ways of preparing potatoes other than frying them.0 -
Potatoes are a good source of vitamins and minerals, and while I do think it is a good idea to limit the fried potato, I think maybe the focus should be more on changing the preperation of it.
Gosh, I didn't realize so many people wouldn't read the article.
Excerpt:
Potatoes do contain important nutrients—vitamin C, potassium, and vitamin B6, to name a few. But the potato is not the only source of these nutrients, nor is it the best: Cup for cup, for example, broccoli has nearly nine times as much vitamin C as a potato, and white beans have about double the potassium. Yet a cup of potatoes has a similar effect on blood sugar as a can of Coca Cola or a handful of jelly beans. (10) That’s a high metabolic price to pay for nutrients that children can easily get from other sources.
Gosh, actually, I did read the article. I also live in an area where the economy is dependent on the potato crop. I am just trying to say everything in moderation! That is all. Fried=bad, baked=good... You can get lots of vitamins and minerals from grazing on your lawn too, but it does not meen that is the answer to the obesity problem. Just sayin...0 -
Instead of demonizing potatoes, why don't they encourage more physical activity in schools? It seems to me that it would be a more cost-effective way to curb obesity in children as well as help establish exercise habits.
Excellent point.
Just goes to show the bureaucratic idiocy that is far too common. "Hey guiz, french fries can make you fatz, so let's demonize potatoes while simultaneously slashing PE programs" Derp.0 -
Gosh, I didn't realize so many people wouldn't read the article.
Excerpt:
Potatoes do contain important nutrients—vitamin C, potassium, and vitamin B6, to name a few. But the potato is not the only source of these nutrients, nor is it the best: Cup for cup, for example, broccoli has nearly nine times as much vitamin C as a potato, and white beans have about double the potassium. Yet a cup of potatoes has a similar effect on blood sugar as a can of Coca Cola or a handful of jelly beans. (10) That’s a high metabolic price to pay for nutrients that children can easily get from other sources.
Exactly
Fantastic article! 0 -
Potatoes are a good source of vitamins and minerals, and while I do think it is a good idea to limit the fried potato, I think maybe the focus should be more on changing the preperation of it.
Gosh, I didn't realize so many people wouldn't read the article.
Excerpt:
Potatoes do contain important nutrients—vitamin C, potassium, and vitamin B6, to name a few. But the potato is not the only source of these nutrients, nor is it the best: Cup for cup, for example, broccoli has nearly nine times as much vitamin C as a potato, and white beans have about double the potassium. Yet a cup of potatoes has a similar effect on blood sugar as a can of Coca Cola or a handful of jelly beans. (10) That’s a high metabolic price to pay for nutrients that children can easily get from other sources.
Gosh, actually, I did read the article. I also live in an area where the economy is dependent on the potato crop. I am just trying to say everything in moderation! That is all. Fried=bad, baked=good... You can get lots of vitamins and minerals from grazing on your lawn too, but it does not meen that is the answer to the obesity problem. Just sayin...
I don't understand your posts if you read the article, which is about "limiting" potatoes, not "eliminating" them. That is is what moderation means.0 -
Rediculious, but not surprised. Now starchy vegetables are evil lol.
??? The article did not say starchy vegetables were evil.By limiting starchy vegetables at lunch, and setting new requirements for dark green and orange vegetables, the IOM was trying to steer children’s diets in a healthier direction: “The committee anticipates that…with repeated exposures and high-quality food preparation, students will learn to value the vegetable items offered.” (2, p. 170) In other words, over time, kids will get used to eating broccoli, carrots, and other colorful vegetables—and may even start to like them.
Basically their saying they're calorie dense and implying weight gain and poor health and should be replaced. Much like 30 years ago, when fat was evil and needed to be replaced. For any of this article to make any sense health wise, there would need to be a complete absence of all refined starch to begin with in order to start picking on natural ingredients like root vegetables that have a plethera of healthy micronutirents in them..........get what I mean now.0 -
Potatoes are a good source of vitamins and minerals, and while I do think it is a good idea to limit the fried potato, I think maybe the focus should be more on changing the preperation of it.
Gosh, I didn't realize so many people wouldn't read the article.
Excerpt:
Potatoes do contain important nutrients—vitamin C, potassium, and vitamin B6, to name a few. But the potato is not the only source of these nutrients, nor is it the best: Cup for cup, for example, broccoli has nearly nine times as much vitamin C as a potato, and white beans have about double the potassium. Yet a cup of potatoes has a similar effect on blood sugar as a can of Coca Cola or a handful of jelly beans. (10) That’s a high metabolic price to pay for nutrients that children can easily get from other sources.
Gosh, actually, I did read the article. I also live in an area where the economy is dependent on the potato crop. I am just trying to say everything in moderation! That is all. Fried=bad, baked=good... You can get lots of vitamins and minerals from grazing on your lawn too, but it does not meen that is the answer to the obesity problem. Just sayin...
I don't understand your posts if you read the article, which is about "limiting" potatoes, not "eliminating" them. That is is what moderation means.
LOL, my point exactly...0 -
Instead of demonizing potatoes, why don't they encourage more physical activity in schools? It seems to me that it would be a more cost-effective way to curb obesity in children as well as help establish exercise habits.
Excellent point.
Just goes to show the bureaucratic idiocy that is far too common. "Hey guiz, french fries can make you fatz, so let's demonize potatoes while simultaneously slashing PE programs" Derp.
These 2 words are not synonyms
de·mon·ize /ˈdiməˌnaɪz/ Show Spelled[dee-muh-nahyz] Show IPAverb (used with object), -ized, -iz·ing.
1.to turn into a demonor make demonlike.
2.to subject to the influence of demons.
lim·it /ˈlɪmɪt/ Show Spelled[lim-it] Show IPAnoun
1.thefinal,utmost,orfurthestboundaryorpointastoextent,amount,continuance,procedure,etc.:thelimitofhisexperience;thelimitofvision.
2.aboundaryorbound,asofacountry,area,ordistrict.
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Potatoes are a good source of vitamins and minerals, and while I do think it is a good idea to limit the fried potato, I think maybe the focus should be more on changing the preperation of it.
Gosh, I didn't realize so many people wouldn't read the article.
Excerpt:
Potatoes do contain important nutrients—vitamin C, potassium, and vitamin B6, to name a few. But the potato is not the only source of these nutrients, nor is it the best: Cup for cup, for example, broccoli has nearly nine times as much vitamin C as a potato, and white beans have about double the potassium. Yet a cup of potatoes has a similar effect on blood sugar as a can of Coca Cola or a handful of jelly beans. (10) That’s a high metabolic price to pay for nutrients that children can easily get from other sources.
Gosh, actually, I did read the article. I also live in an area where the economy is dependent on the potato crop. I am just trying to say everything in moderation! That is all. Fried=bad, baked=good... You can get lots of vitamins and minerals from grazing on your lawn too, but it does not meen that is the answer to the obesity problem. Just sayin...
I don't understand your posts if you read the article, which is about "limiting" potatoes, not "eliminating" them. That is is what moderation means.
LOL, my point exactly...
Oh sorry. I thought you disagreed with the article. I must have misunderstood.0 -
Instead of demonizing potatoes, why don't they encourage more physical activity in schools? It seems to me that it would be a more cost-effective way to curb obesity in children as well as help establish exercise habits.
Excellent point.
Just goes to show the bureaucratic idiocy that is far too common. "Hey guiz, french fries can make you fatz, so let's demonize potatoes while simultaneously slashing PE programs" Derp.
These 2 words are not synonyms
de·mon·ize /ˈdiməˌnaɪz/ Show Spelled[dee-muh-nahyz] Show IPAverb (used with object), -ized, -iz·ing.
1.to turn into a demonor make demonlike.
2.to subject to the influence of demons.
lim·it /ˈlɪmɪt/ Show Spelled[lim-it] Show IPAnoun
1.thefinal,utmost,orfurthestboundaryorpointastoextent,amount,continuance,procedure,etc.:thelimitofhisexperience;thelimitofvision.
2.aboundaryorbound,asofacountry,area,ordistrict.
Source: dictionary.com
Good Lord, pedantic much?
1. ostentatious in one's learning.
2. overly concerned with minute details or formalisms, especially in teaching.
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Perhaps we should teach children about calories, exercise and weight management instead of trying to ban all foods that could possibly cause a problem when consumed in excess? (Soylent Green anyone?)
How about we fix our adult obesity problem first. Children are excellent followers of example.0 -
I remember eating french fries every day at school...ha ha. Of course, that was back when I could eat whatever I wanted and not gain a pound. Those days are long gone.
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Instead of demonizing potatoes, why don't they encourage more physical activity in schools? It seems to me that it would be a more cost-effective way to curb obesity in children as well as help establish exercise habits.
Excellent point.
Just goes to show the bureaucratic idiocy that is far too common. "Hey guiz, french fries can make you fatz, so let's demonize potatoes while simultaneously slashing PE programs" Derp.
These 2 words are not synonyms
de·mon·ize /ˈdiməˌnaɪz/ Show Spelled[dee-muh-nahyz] Show IPAverb (used with object), -ized, -iz·ing.
1.to turn into a demonor make demonlike.
2.to subject to the influence of demons.
Funny, you purposely omitted:
3. to mark out or describe as evil or culpable
While you're looking up terms, you may want to start with this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking_(fallacy)0 -
Rediculious, but not surprised. Now starchy vegetables are evil lol.
??? The article did not say starchy vegetables were evil.By limiting starchy vegetables at lunch, and setting new requirements for dark green and orange vegetables, the IOM was trying to steer children’s diets in a healthier direction: “The committee anticipates that…with repeated exposures and high-quality food preparation, students will learn to value the vegetable items offered.” (2, p. 170) In other words, over time, kids will get used to eating broccoli, carrots, and other colorful vegetables—and may even start to like them.
Basically their saying they're calorie dense and implying weight gain and poor health and should be replaced. Much like 30 years ago, when fat was evil and needed to be replaced. For any of this article to make any sense health wise, there would need to be a complete absence of all refined starch to begin with in order to start picking on natural ingredients like root vegetables that have a plethera of healthy micronutirents in them..........get what I mean now.
I get where you are going I think, but I don't understand the "if we aren't going to fix everything, let's not make any improvements" attitude.
I agree that cutting gym class is bad. I agree that soda machines in schoool are bad. But none of that changes the fact that replacing potatoes, something served daily in many schools, with lower GI/GL veggies can be a healthy improvement.0 -
These 2 words are not synonyms
de·mon·ize /ˈdiməˌnaɪz/ Show Spelled[dee-muh-nahyz] Show IPAverb (used with object), -ized, -iz·ing.
1.to turn into a demonor make demonlike.
2.to subject to the influence of demons.
lim·it /ˈlɪmɪt/ Show Spelled[lim-it] Show IPAnoun
1.thefinal,utmost,orfurthestboundaryorpointastoextent,amount,continuance,procedure,etc.:thelimitofhisexperience;thelimitofvision.
2.aboundaryorbound,asofacountry,area,ordistrict.
Source: dictionary.com
LOL...
I think potatoes are fine, as long as you don't fry them. Heck my fiances grandparents ate them everyday at dinner, and his grandfather just celebrated his 93rd birthday. This guy still lives on his own with his 85 year old wife, with no caregiver.0 -
LOL............can't see the forest.Instead of demonizing potatoes, why don't they encourage more physical activity in schools? It seems to me that it would be a more cost-effective way to curb obesity in children as well as help establish exercise habits.
Excellent point.
Just goes to show the bureaucratic idiocy that is far too common. "Hey guiz, french fries can make you fatz, so let's demonize potatoes while simultaneously slashing PE programs" Derp.
These 2 words are not synonyms
de·mon·ize /ˈdiməˌnaɪz/ Show Spelled[dee-muh-nahyz] Show IPAverb (used with object), -ized, -iz·ing.
1.to turn into a demonor make demonlike.
2.to subject to the influence of demons.
Funny, you purposely omitted:
3. to mark out or describe as evil or culpable
While you're looking up terms, you may want to start with this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking_(fallacy)0 -
Funny, you purposely omitted:
3. to mark out or describe as evil or culpable
??? I only omitted the part referring specifically to mathematics as it didn't seem to apply. I still don't see anything about evil. Are you seriously arguing that "limit" and "demonize" mean the same thing? Or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?
lim·it /ˈlɪmɪt/ Show Spelled[lim-it] Show IPAnoun
1.thefinal,utmost,orfurthestboundaryorpointastoextent,amount,continuance,procedure,etc.:thelimitofhisexperience;thelimitofvision.
2.aboundaryorbound,asofacountry,area,ordistrict.
3.Mathematics.
a.anumbersuchthatthevalueofagivenfunctionremainsarbitrarilyclosetothisnumberwhentheindependent variableissufficientlyclosetoaspecifiedpointorissufficientlylarge.Thelimitof1/xiszeroasxapproachesinfinity;thelimitof(x−1)2iszeroasxapproaches1.
b.anumbersuchthattheabsolute valueofthedifferencebetweentermsofagivensequenceandthenumberapproacheszeroastheindexofthetermsincreasestoinfinity.
c.oneoftwonumbersaffixedtotheintegrationsymbolforadefiniteintegral,indicatingtheintervalorregionoverwhichtheintegrationistakingplaceandsubstitutedinaprimitive,ifoneexists,toevaluatetheintegral.
4.limits,thepremisesorregionenclosedwithinboundaries:Wefoundthemonschoollimitsafterhours.5.Games.themaximumsumbywhichabetmayberaisedatanyonetime.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/limit0 -
This is hilarious.
All I remember about the potatoes in my high school is that you could stick a fork in the mashed potatoes and lift the entire serving.0
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