"TONING" is a misconception in weight loss and fitness. A ra

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  • Jeff92se
    Jeff92se Posts: 3,369 Member
    You can't compare two different people. Way too many other varibles going on.
    The comparison was to show that muscle doesn't always equate to strength. If we could do it with twins that would be cool. The Cansecos don't count.

    Right but with the numerous OTHER varibles that would attribute to those differences, muscle mass vs strength is probably low on this list of contributors. Mid pack at best. How do you know these two were actively training toward the same goal? You can't,.
  • lockef
    lockef Posts: 466
    If we could do it with twins that would be cool. The Cansecos don't count.

    I vote for Mary Kate and Ashley.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,030 Member

    Right but with the numerous OTHER varibles that would attribute to those differences, muscle mass vs strength is probably low on this list of contributors. Mid pack at best. How do you know these two were actively training toward the same goal? You can't,.
    I won't argue with that.
  • elizabethblake
    elizabethblake Posts: 384 Member
    That would be so awesome!!!

    Ooops, meant to reply to "I vote for Mary Kate and Ashley" and forgot to quote.
  • ArroganceInStep
    ArroganceInStep Posts: 6,239 Member
    Train while eating at a deficit

    That's what I do now. I'll have to see where it takes me. I'm about 1/2 way though this journey

    I added a bit more to my comment because I realized it might have come off as rude. Everybody's going to have different results, the nice thing is that your body is a work in progress. Try something out and if it doesn't work for you after you've given it an honest shot adjust and reassess. Good luck man, 1/2 way through is a heck of a lot better than where most folks are at =).
  • Jeff92se
    Jeff92se Posts: 3,369 Member
    Even if we assume no one reaches the level where they "need" to grow, how do you train to gain strength and prevent additional growth/mass? I've seen strong skinny guys and weak big guys. But that's more a function of their genetics than what they are doing in their lifting routines.

    Train while eating at a deficit

    Edit to add more: I personally believe diet and workout routine play more of a role in those 'strong skinny' and 'weak big' folks than you give credit.

    No problem. I'll agree. I never took your posts as rude. I haven't taken any replies to me here as rude. I have fairly thick skin (but unfortunately a slightly thick tummy also)
  • Avalonis
    Avalonis Posts: 1,540 Member
    Soooo.... now that you two wasted 3/4s of your day arguing this pointless thread.... how do you feel?
  • Jeff92se
    Jeff92se Posts: 3,369 Member
    Soooo.... now that you two wasted 3/4s of your day arguing this pointless thread.... how do you feel?


    Great? I took the debate to it's logical ends and I feel more educated for it.

    I didn't know you were that concerned about all of us to ask about our feelings. Feelings.......nothing more than feelings...........
  • ArroganceInStep
    ArroganceInStep Posts: 6,239 Member
    Soooo.... now that you two wasted 3/4s of your day arguing this pointless thread.... how do you feel?

    Almost done with work, I'm feeling pretty good =)
  • MikeSEA
    MikeSEA Posts: 1,074 Member
    I dislike it when people use the word "decimate" to mean something more severe than "to reduce by 10%." We all have our irritations. Evidently common dictionary definitions disagree with me, but I'm still right, darn it.
  • gazz777
    gazz777 Posts: 722
    Maybe some of us mean skin tone, fat tone, but I hear what you saying about muscle 'tone'.

    I tell my kids to tone it down when they getting a bit excited in a negative way.

    Now, let's turn to the word definition in the dictionary :glasses:
  • kennethmgreen
    kennethmgreen Posts: 1,759 Member
    My muscles are tone deaf. Can I still make them bigger? Korn rules.
  • spottedlee
    spottedlee Posts: 372
    From Webster's dictionary;

    Tone:
    a : the state of a living body or of any of its organs or parts in which the functions are healthy and performed with due vigor
    b : normal tension or responsiveness to stimuli; specifically : muscular tonus

    Sounds like people can tone their muscles to me!
    I agree with you,, it's a common term where I live.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,030 Member
    Soooo.... now that you two wasted 3/4s of your day arguing this pointless thread.... how do you feel?
    I feel great. I conditioned my fingers.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,030 Member
    My muscles are tone deaf. Can I still make them bigger? Korn rules.
    Pump up the volume, pump up the volume, pump up the volume..........................
  • newvictoria
    newvictoria Posts: 44
    That's cool!

    I would always rather be "ripped" or "defined" than "toned" any ole day!

    Great post!!!
  • asyouseefit
    asyouseefit Posts: 1,265 Member
    I dislike it when people use the word "decimate" to mean something more severe than "to reduce by 10%." We all have our irritations. Evidently common dictionary definitions disagree with me, but I'm still right, darn it.

    Dad, is that you? (I swear my father talks about the decimate thing at least once a week, lol)
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    That's cool!

    I would always rather be "ripped" or "defined" than "toned" any ole day!

    Great post!!!

    "ripped" That is something that I don't like. Not on men or women. I prefer people who are toned, and yes I do mean muscles and body fat. It just looks more natural.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,030 Member
    "ripped" That is something that I don't like. Not on men or women. I prefer people who are toned, and yes I do mean muscles and body fat. It just looks more natural.
    There are many people who don't like the "ripped" or "shredded" look. Many like the "fit" and "conditioned" look.:wink:
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