The only difference between a "clean" and "dirty" food is...
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You guys are funny.
Once your parents start dying of cancer you'll see "everyone gets cancer" isn't such a lax term. It's worth knowing.
I am not one to get uppity- but perhaps you should watch what you say about peoples parents and getting cancer, seeing as mine did. AND oh wait she ate CLEAN her entire life. So really, what do you have to say about that?? You won't get cancer simply from eating "dirty" processed foods, nor is eating CLEANLY going to guarentee that you won't.
Perhaps you should think before you type, especially when you do not know who has been effected by cancer.
Yes. As a geneticist, don't forget the genes.0 -
You guys are funny. Once your parents start dying of cancer you'll see "everyone gets cancer" isn't such a lax term. It's worth knowing.
I am not one to get uppity- but perhaps you should watch what you say about peoples parents and getting cancer, seeing as mine did. AND oh wait she ate CLEAN her entire life. So really, what do you have to say about that?? You won't get cancer simply from eating "dirty" processed foods, nor is eating CLEANLY going to guarentee that you won't.
Perhaps you should think before you type, especially when you do not know who has been effected by cancer.
My mom died of ovarian cancer September 5th 2011. I take cancer very seriously, which is why, I believe people have the right to know, that not all food is created equal, and if it does increase risk, then that is a choice people can make or not make. I'm sorry to hear about your mom, there is much to learn about cancer, and my mom didn't eat cleanly like yours, she was a picky eater. So my best regards to you.0 -
You guys are funny. Once your parents start dying of cancer you'll see "everyone gets cancer" isn't such a lax term. It's worth knowing.
I am not one to get uppity- but perhaps you should watch what you say about peoples parents and getting cancer, seeing as mine did. AND oh wait she ate CLEAN her entire life. So really, what do you have to say about that?? You won't get cancer simply from eating "dirty" processed foods, nor is eating CLEANLY going to guarentee that you won't.
Perhaps you should think before you type, especially when you do not know who has been effected by cancer.
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Watching a loved one die a bad death is hard enough without having people throwing it in your face as a debating point. I appreciate people educating others on health dangers etc, but when you start saying things that sound like you're talking directly to someone ('when your parents start dying') it's no longer educational, it's emotional and unnecessary. JMO. Carry on.
ETA: Ebby I am sorry for your loss and I appreciate your passion for the topic. But keep in mind that others may feel differently about using those types of 'scenarios' as a debating point. When it starts to sound personal, that's where people may stop listening to what you have to say. Which would be a shame since you have valuable insight.0 -
You guys are funny. Once your parents start dying of cancer you'll see "everyone gets cancer" isn't such a lax term. It's worth knowing.
I am not one to get uppity- but perhaps you should watch what you say about peoples parents and getting cancer, seeing as mine did. AND oh wait she ate CLEAN her entire life. So really, what do you have to say about that?? You won't get cancer simply from eating "dirty" processed foods, nor is eating CLEANLY going to guarantee that you won't.
Perhaps you should think before you type, especially when you do not know who has been effected by cancer.
This.
Ebbykins: Cancer can be caused by many different things including genetics. There are a lot of folks on here, myself included, who have buried people from cancer of all types and forms.0 -
You guys are funny. Once your parents start dying of cancer you'll see "everyone gets cancer" isn't such a lax term. It's worth knowing.
I am not one to get uppity- but perhaps you should watch what you say about peoples parents and getting cancer, seeing as mine did. AND oh wait she ate CLEAN her entire life. So really, what do you have to say about that?? You won't get cancer simply from eating "dirty" processed foods, nor is eating CLEANLY going to guarentee that you won't.
Perhaps you should think before you type, especially when you do not know who has been effected by cancer.
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Watching a loved one die a bad death is hard enough without having people throwing it in your face as a debating point. I appreciate people educating others on health dangers etc, but when you start saying things that sound like you're talking directly to someone ('when your parents start dying') it's no longer educational, it's emotional and unnecessary. JMO. Carry on.
Your right, I was speaking directly from my own personal experience. That's why I made it personal, it's even mentioned on my profile.0 -
Micronutrients?
If your diet is micronutrient deficient, then your "amounts" are out of whack.0 -
Anyways thanks for the discussion everyone, off to finish laundry and do a workout. Namaste!
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You guys are funny. Once your parents start dying of cancer you'll see "everyone gets cancer" isn't such a lax term. It's worth knowing.
I am not one to get uppity- but perhaps you should watch what you say about peoples parents and getting cancer, seeing as mine did. AND oh wait she ate CLEAN her entire life. So really, what do you have to say about that?? You won't get cancer simply from eating "dirty" processed foods, nor is eating CLEANLY going to guarentee that you won't.
Perhaps you should think before you type, especially when you do not know who has been effected by cancer.
+1
Watching a loved one die a bad death is hard enough without having people throwing it in your face as a debating point. I appreciate people educating others on health dangers etc, but when you start saying things that sound like you're talking directly to someone ('when your parents start dying') it's no longer educational, it's emotional and unnecessary. JMO. Carry on.
Your right, I was speaking directly from my own personal experience. That's why I made it personal, it's even mentioned on my profile.
I added something to that post while I think you were responding - just wanted to make sure you didn't miss it b/c of bad timing:
ETA: Ebby I am sorry for your loss and I appreciate your passion for the topic. But keep in mind that others may feel differently about using those types of 'scenarios' as a debating point. When it starts to sound personal, that's where people may stop listening to what you have to say. Which would be a shame since you have valuable insight.0 -
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I don't understand how you can say there is NO difference between them besides portion. So do I need to eat larger portions of Pop Tarts to give me the B vitamins I need? Or smaller portions so that I can eat foods that contain B vitamins?Micronutrients?
If your diet is micronutrient deficient, then your "amounts" are out of whack.
I guess I would ask you to flesh out your original statement.0 -
There is serious trolling going on in this thread....0
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Or epigenetics?You guys are funny. Once your parents start dying of cancer you'll see "everyone gets cancer" isn't such a lax term. It's worth knowing.
I am not one to get uppity- but perhaps you should watch what you say about peoples parents and getting cancer, seeing as mine did. AND oh wait she ate CLEAN her entire life. So really, what do you have to say about that?? You won't get cancer simply from eating "dirty" processed foods, nor is eating CLEANLY going to guarentee that you won't.
Perhaps you should think before you type, especially when you do not know who has been effected by cancer.
Yes. As a geneticist, don't forget the genes.0 -
You guys are funny. Once your parents start dying of cancer you'll see "everyone gets cancer" isn't such a lax term. It's worth knowing.
I am not one to get uppity- but perhaps you should watch what you say about peoples parents and getting cancer, seeing as mine did. AND oh wait she ate CLEAN her entire life. So really, what do you have to say about that?? You won't get cancer simply from eating "dirty" processed foods, nor is eating CLEANLY going to guarentee that you won't.
Perhaps you should think before you type, especially when you do not know who has been effected by cancer.
+1
Watching a loved one die a bad death is hard enough without having people throwing it in your face as a debating point. I appreciate people educating others on health dangers etc, but when you start saying things that sound like you're talking directly to someone ('when your parents start dying') it's no longer educational, it's emotional and unnecessary. JMO. Carry on.
Your right, I was speaking directly from my own personal experience. That's why I made it personal, it's even mentioned on my profile.
I added something to that post while I think you were responding - just wanted to make sure you didn't miss it b/c of bad timing:
ETA: Ebby I am sorry for your loss and I appreciate your passion for the topic. But keep in mind that others may feel differently about using those types of 'scenarios' as a debating point. When it starts to sound personal, that's where people may stop listening to what you have to say. Which would be a shame since you have valuable insight.
I appreciate your opinion, I totally agree that there are different scenarios to consider when cancer is involved, but I believe that when armed with information, people can make baby steps, changes in their lives, nutritionally and many other ways to cut cancer risks, it makes me kind of angry when people start the "everything causes cancer" saying, because there are things we can and should do to prevent it as much as possible, because it is very painful to see someone die in this way and being who I am, in my nature, believe and care about everyone making educated decisions about their health and higher chances of living a long and healthy life.0 -
There is serious trolling going on in this thread....
LOL I'm not trollable, debatable yes, but not trollable, I'm always up for a debate, but I don't get all cranky and worked up about it. I'm just very passionate about people living life to their fullest potential. 0 -
Too each their own... I hardly ever eat them - but if I get a fenway frank @ the ball park - anyone who give's me
the evil eye or starts preaching to me about nutrition is no one I want to associate with.
If someone is eating a dog every single day they have other issues - mostly this type of eater is probably a child or an adult who
was never correctly taught about nutrition and the exception.
Food trends are forever changing... eggs = good... then eggs = bad.... now eggs = good maybe?
Seriously, life used to be much simpler and I prefer it that way.0 -
Yeah. I'm pretty sure that if it is a food civilizations have thrived on for thousands of years (like eggs!), then it will eventually be redeemed.Food trends are forever changing... eggs = good... then eggs = bad.... now eggs = good maybe?0 -
I don't think I could eat dirty and not be hungry as hell. Just sayin'0
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Did you really just post that??? Who eats a hot dog EVERY SINGLE DAY??? Well, I guess if you look at it over the course of relatively short time spans, like 1 day, then I do.... but really?So you don't consider meats with cancer causing nitrates and obscene amounts of sodium dirty? It's within portion control then? Did you know eating deli meats/hot dogs, one serving per day, has shown an increased risk of colon cancer by 21-25 (varying studies)%? http://planetgreen.discovery.com/food-health/a-hot-dog-a-day-increases-your-risk-of-colorectal-cancer-by-21-percent.html
ok... so common sense + portion control.
A lot of peoples kids are picky eaters and many parents still feed their kids these types of food as "real food" on a daily basis, which becomes habit forming for them later on in life. If parents ate "clean" foods with their kids over time, this might not be an issue, but for lots of the population who do not care about what they are consuming... just eat within calorie control for "weight management" which is very sad. If it's too easy to eat, requires little cooking, takes forever to spoil and comes from a package, it probably isn't all that great for you.
so you mean I'm giving my kids cancer?? Wow Mom of the year award over here!!! Damn them hot dogs...grr0 -
I don't think I could eat dirty and not be hungry as hell. Just sayin'
To a person doing low carb, a bowl of oatmeal is "dirty."0 -
I don't think I could eat dirty and not be hungry as hell. Just sayin'
To a person doing low carb, a bowl of oatmeal is "dirty."
I guess I'm not really up on the context of the conversation. I just wanted to point out that I could eat my entire day's calories in a bag of doritos but I'd be hungry as a mofo.0 -
Life causes cancer.So you don't consider meats with cancer causing nitrates and obscene amounts of sodium dirty? It's within portion control then? Did you know eating deli meats/hot dogs, one serving per day, has shown an increased risk of colon cancer by 21-25 (varying studies)%? http://planetgreen.discovery.com/food-health/a-hot-dog-a-day-increases-your-risk-of-colorectal-cancer-by-21-percent.html0 -
Fast food, processed foods are slow killers, as well they up the medical costs from food related diseases etc. I know many parents who give their kids hot dogs at least 4x a week. Sad. All starts at home. Unfortunately, the obesity rate is climbing drastically. Many of today's children won't out live their parents.0
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I'm not sure I agree with that absolutely, but I'll concede the general point you are making.
Did you really just post that??? Who eats a hot dog EVERY SINGLE DAY??? Well, I guess if you look at it over the course of relatively short time spans, like 1 day, then I do.... but really?So you don't consider meats with cancer causing nitrates and obscene amounts of sodium dirty? It's within portion control then? Did you know eating deli meats/hot dogs, one serving per day, has shown an increased risk of colon cancer by 21-25 (varying studies)%? http://planetgreen.discovery.com/food-health/a-hot-dog-a-day-increases-your-risk-of-colorectal-cancer-by-21-percent.html
ok... so common sense + portion control.
A lot of peoples kids are picky eaters and many parents still feed their kids these types of food as "real food" on a daily basis, which becomes habit forming for them later on in life. If parents ate "clean" foods with their kids over time, this might not be an issue, but for lots of the population who do not care about what they are consuming... just eat within calorie control for "weight management" which is very sad. If it's too easy to eat, requires little cooking, takes forever to spoil and comes from a package, it probably isn't all that great for you.
However, those people probably don't much care about the quality of food, never mind their overall health, so they aren't on this site, so the OP's post has little bearing on them.
Furthermore, the whole point to his post was *how much you eat*. It's reasonable to assume that eating highly processed, highly preserved foods every single day over a long period of time is "eating too much", thus making it dirty.
From where I am sitting and reading, there are plenty of those people on this site. There are so many people that have diaries filled with frozen foods, diet soda, candy bars, fast food, etc.............
And they think it is all good because they are within their calorie limits. There is nothing healthy about that.
Personally, I am sick of the attitude of topics such as the OP posted, it perpetuates a mindset that really needs to be changed, especially in the United States.
I am sick and tired of paying more for health insurance because people don't give a *kitten* to shop and cook properly for themselves and their family all in the name of convenience.0 -
Fast food, processed foods are slow killers, as well they up the medical costs from food related diseases etc. I know many parents who give their kids hot dogs at least 4x a week. Sad. All starts at home. Unfortunately, the obesity rate is climbing drastically. Many of today's children won't out live their parents.
The child obesity rate is climbing in part to improper diet and the other part to LACK OF EXERCISE.
Children are left to entertain themselves in their rooms with video games/internet/TV.
When I was a kid we went OUTSIDE and were active... I never sat in like a couch potato unless I was sick.
These are different times I know but I believe the parents are accountable to teach basic balanced nutrition (and I don't mean clean and dirty...) and enforce it as well as making their children get off their a## and move. Lead by example - problem is the example in many households is adults sitting watching reality TV all night every night.0 -
I'm not sure I agree with that absolutely, but I'll concede the general point you are making.
Did you really just post that??? Who eats a hot dog EVERY SINGLE DAY??? Well, I guess if you look at it over the course of relatively short time spans, like 1 day, then I do.... but really?So you don't consider meats with cancer causing nitrates and obscene amounts of sodium dirty? It's within portion control then? Did you know eating deli meats/hot dogs, one serving per day, has shown an increased risk of colon cancer by 21-25 (varying studies)%? http://planetgreen.discovery.com/food-health/a-hot-dog-a-day-increases-your-risk-of-colorectal-cancer-by-21-percent.html
ok... so common sense + portion control.
A lot of peoples kids are picky eaters and many parents still feed their kids these types of food as "real food" on a daily basis, which becomes habit forming for them later on in life. If parents ate "clean" foods with their kids over time, this might not be an issue, but for lots of the population who do not care about what they are consuming... just eat within calorie control for "weight management" which is very sad. If it's too easy to eat, requires little cooking, takes forever to spoil and comes from a package, it probably isn't all that great for you.
However, those people probably don't much care about the quality of food, never mind their overall health, so they aren't on this site, so the OP's post has little bearing on them.
Furthermore, the whole point to his post was *how much you eat*. It's reasonable to assume that eating highly processed, highly preserved foods every single day over a long period of time is "eating too much", thus making it dirty.
From where I am sitting and reading, there are plenty of those people on this site. There are so many people that have diaries filled with frozen foods, diet soda, candy bars, fast food, etc.............
And they think it is all good because they are within their calorie limits. There is nothing healthy about that.
Personally, I am sick of the attitude of topics such as the OP posted, it perpetuates a mindset that really needs to be changed, especially in the United States.
I am sick and tired of paying more for health insurance because people don't give a *kitten* to shop and cook properly for themselves and their family all in the name of convenience.
You're missing the whole point of the post. But I'm you're busy writing all those checks for insurance deductibles, so it's understandable.0 -
I didn't know that people that are eating "dirty" also posted up their blood/urine work to show how "unhealthy" they are. if they can eat that, stay at a good weight/bodyfat and run good blood/urine work, then that's good for them.0
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I didn't know that people that are eating "dirty" also posted up their blood/urine work to show how "unhealthy" they are. if they can eat that, stay at a good weight/bodyfat and run good blood/urine work, then that's good for them.
New trend. I'll report back after my physical next month. ;-)0 -
As I understand it, the point of the post is that "The only difference between a 'clean' and 'dirty' food is how much of it you eat."You're missing the whole point of the post.
But what I am still confused about is:
How many bowls of Rice Krispies, bologna sandwiches on Wonder Bread, and pepperoni pizzas do I need to eat to meet the RDA recommendations for vitamins and minerals?
Are we talking, like, two servings of each? Four? Help!0 -
I didn't know that people that are eating "dirty" also posted up their blood/urine work to show how "unhealthy" they are. if they can eat that, stay at a good weight/bodyfat and run good blood/urine work, then that's good for them.
New trend. I'll report back after my physical next month. ;-)
For the record, I had mine done about 1.5 years ago. All was well.0
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