The only difference between a "clean" and "dirty" food is...
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I don't think I could eat dirty and not be hungry as hell. Just sayin'
To a person doing low carb, a bowl of oatmeal is "dirty."
To a low carb person oatmeal is only "dirty" if it is contaminated with gluten from wheat, rye, barley, etc................
When I was on Atkins I ate certified organic and gluten free steel cut oats on a regular basis.0 -
The fact is there is a scientific study proving practically everything. There's probably been a study done showing that one log of monkey *kitten* a day keeps the doctor away, but I'm not don't believe it. Have you ever seen the movie Fat Head?Listen I'm not one of those serious forum people who eats clean like a freak everyday of my life and lectures people. I'm just saying, you do people a disservice by saying that it's okay to eat certain types of known "dirty" foods on a regular basis that medical studies are showing to be terrible for us. You can go have your hay day, I'm not going to get my panties all tied in a wad over the stupid retorts people are making about a "Dirty" food, everyone should know.
Studies are there as guidelines. Too many people read the headers and go all crazy about it. But they don't read the data, methodology, conclusions. Thats how you find out if said study is relevant to your situation.0 -
So you don't consider meats with cancer causing nitrates and obscene amounts of sodium dirty? It's within portion control then? Did you know eating deli meats/hot dogs, one serving per day, has shown an increased risk of colon cancer by 21-25 (varying studies)%? http://planetgreen.discovery.com/food-health/a-hot-dog-a-day-increases-your-risk-of-colorectal-cancer-by-21-percent.html
I generally agree with the idea of eating whole foods and "clean" foods. However, be careful when interpreting those studies that suggest "Eating X will increase you risk of Y cancer by Z%"! They are often observational studies based on correlations. You can find correlations in anything and controlling for all the variables is almost impossible. Personally I wouldn't eat a hot dog every day, but I also am extremely skeptical about any study that makes those sorts of claims.
That study can be disregarded because it is not published. You are right in the sense that context must be established. Even water can kill you.
There are many scientific studies. All published, where else? Pubmed.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8671549
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21685410
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2062934/
http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/10/5/439.short
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20681011
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19808637
This just shows that you're great at searching the database. Did you review the methods? Did you review the data? None of it has any relevance to the real world. None of them made clear conclusions.
I'm not disputing any of the findings. What I'm pointing out is, you lack the understanding of dosing and context and simply making poor conclusions based on them.
Simply posting studies without understanding methodology and data will not do.
You are knowledgeable no doubt, but I question your interpretations and deduction skills.
LOL. I've read them. I've read a lot of things over the years. I understand them. Why? Because I don't just read diet books, I read about chemistry, biology, physiology, kinesiology, in university text books and medical publications, just because I don't spout jargon that no one will understand here doesn't mean I lack understanding, what I'm saying comes within logical reasoning abilities.
Well great then, glad we're on the same page. Logically speaking, within context of proper amounts, we shouldn't be worried about ill effects whatsoever. That is the whole point of this thread. You didn't need to bring up studies done on cancer in the first place. Thats what many people took issue with.
And I take issue with people, nonchalantly running their mouths off about "clean" and "dirty" foods and how "moderation" is all that matters, when in fact people should be educated about "dirty" foods like deli meats etc, so they can make informed choices in regards to their daily consumption. Thanks for the discussion. Ciao.
Lol! You're not helping anyone by coming off as an alarmist. It was nice talking to you. Stay safe. Beware of the evil deli meats!
I would rather seem like an alarmist to the people who have no nutrition experience or knowledge, who come across this thread, be educated about the health risks so they can, YES, moderate their intake to a lesser level, but even I eat deli meat, I just choose natural in store roasted chicken/turkey/ham that contain no nitrates or excess sodium and the costs are a nominal difference if they shop around. There are a lot of people here who need proper food education and some of them lack the understanding of "moderating" (who helps them decide or learn how much is too much?) of certain foods, as the beginning of the thread prescribed.0 -
I find it funny, when people claim to be die hard clean eaters. No processed food whatsoever. Yet they turn around and take all kinds of supplements, medicine. Where is the logic in that? The term "clean" or "dirty" has no standard definition. It varies a lot. Therefore it shouldn't be used to describe foods.
Agreed. The one that gets me every time is the protein shakes - they seem to be right outside the definition for "clean eating" for many people. I don't see how drinking a mixture of highly processed powder fits with "clean" eating.
But hey, it's a free world (for the most part) and what everyone else eats has no impact on me (except for my husband, but luckily we have a similar food philosophy).
Whey protein isn't highly processed, it's just the liquid skimmed from the top of dairy products, which is then dried. You don't have to get it with additives like artificial sweeteners, many people shop around for purer forms of unflavoured whey or even organic dairy non additive types.
Yeeeessss, I'm sure there are plainer versions, but whenever I skim discussions on the topic they mostly seem to revolve around things like "i love the XYZ super chocolate mocha double lalalala". They never sound very "clean" to me.
Any of the ones I've picked up to check out before have hideously long ingredient lists containing things I've never heard of - but it's good to know that there are some "less processed" versions, thanks for the info.
Yeah, there are a lot of great organic isolates without any fillers, they do have an "off" sort of dried milk flavour though so they are best used in smoothies where you can cover that up, LOL, hence why so many people find the flavoured ones preferable. Even better though is dried egg white powder.
Or... eggs???
Yea, make sure they're organic free range eggs
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I don't eat organic free range eggs. I just eat grade A Canadian eggs without any cracks in them and hope for the best. 0 -
[/quote]From where I am sitting and reading, there are plenty of those people on this site. There are so many people that have diaries filled with frozen foods, diet soda, candy bars, fast food, etc.............
And they think it is all good because they are within their calorie limits. There is nothing healthy about that.
Personally, I am sick of the attitude of topics such as the OP posted, it perpetuates a mindset that really needs to be changed, especially in the United States.
I am sick and tired of paying more for health insurance because people don't give a *kitten* to shop and cook properly for themselves and their family all in the name of convenience.
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Me! Me! I'm one of "those" people. I'll eat whatever I want, thank you. Always have. My bloodwork is PHENOMENAL. My weight is considered "normal" (although obviously I'm on here to lose some weight - I like to be thin). If I don't have time as a full-time working mother of two, wife, and graduate student to buy fresh vegetables every couple of days to COOK, it's my own business. And, it doesn't have one single thing to do with your health insurance. But thanks for your condescending opinion of it all. Oh, and my mindset is just fine, thank you.
I go to school, run a part time business, work fulltime, tend to my house and household, take my nephews to school functions for my sister, take care of 3 dogs and I still MAKE time to cook fresh vegetables and meats devoid of processed crap.
That is a another major pet peeve of mine that people claim to be so busy that they can't feed their children properly really irks me. I find it to be excuses.
And if you think other peoples habits don't have anything to do with other people's insurance rates, you are sadly mistaken and very ill-informed.0 -
So you don't consider meats with cancer causing nitrates and obscene amounts of sodium dirty? It's within portion control then? Did you know eating deli meats/hot dogs, one serving per day, has shown an increased risk of colon cancer by 21-25 (varying studies)%? http://planetgreen.discovery.com/food-health/a-hot-dog-a-day-increases-your-risk-of-colorectal-cancer-by-21-percent.html
I generally agree with the idea of eating whole foods and "clean" foods. However, be careful when interpreting those studies that suggest "Eating X will increase you risk of Y cancer by Z%"! They are often observational studies based on correlations. You can find correlations in anything and controlling for all the variables is almost impossible. Personally I wouldn't eat a hot dog every day, but I also am extremely skeptical about any study that makes those sorts of claims.
That study can be disregarded because it is not published. You are right in the sense that context must be established. Even water can kill you.
There are many scientific studies. All published, where else? Pubmed.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8671549
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21685410
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2062934/
http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/10/5/439.short
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20681011
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19808637
This just shows that you're great at searching the database. Did you review the methods? Did you review the data? None of it has any relevance to the real world. None of them made clear conclusions.
I'm not disputing any of the findings. What I'm pointing out is, you lack the understanding of dosing and context and simply making poor conclusions based on them.
Simply posting studies without understanding methodology and data will not do.
You are knowledgeable no doubt, but I question your interpretations and deduction skills.
LOL. I've read them. I've read a lot of things over the years. I understand them. Why? Because I don't just read diet books, I read about chemistry, biology, physiology, kinesiology, in university text books and medical publications, just because I don't spout jargon that no one will understand here doesn't mean I lack understanding, what I'm saying comes within logical reasoning abilities.
Well great then, glad we're on the same page. Logically speaking, within context of proper amounts, we shouldn't be worried about ill effects whatsoever. That is the whole point of this thread. You didn't need to bring up studies done on cancer in the first place. Thats what many people took issue with.
And I take issue with people, nonchalantly running their mouths off about "clean" and "dirty" foods and how "moderation" is all that matters, when in fact people should be educated about "dirty" foods like deli meats etc, so they can make informed choices in regards to their daily consumption. Thanks for the discussion. Ciao.
Lol! You're not helping anyone by coming off as an alarmist. It was nice talking to you. Stay safe. Beware of the evil deli meats!
I would rather seem like an alarmist to the people who have no nutrition experience or knowledge, who come across this thread, be educated about the health risks so they can, YES, moderate their intake to a lesser level, but even I eat deli meat, I just choose natural in store roasted chicken/turkey/ham that contain no nitrates or excess sodium and the costs are a nominal difference if they shop around. There are a lot of people here who need proper food education and some of them lack the understanding of "moderating" (who helps them decide or learn how much is too much?) of certain foods, as the beginning of the thread prescribed.
And the keyword today is proper education. Something i agree with. People need to know the whole truth, and not one just side of the coin. In the end, its up to them to make their decisions.0 -
I find it funny, when people claim to be die hard clean eaters. No processed food whatsoever. Yet they turn around and take all kinds of supplements, medicine. Where is the logic in that? The term "clean" or "dirty" has no standard definition. It varies a lot. Therefore it shouldn't be used to describe foods.
Agreed. The one that gets me every time is the protein shakes - they seem to be right outside the definition for "clean eating" for many people. I don't see how drinking a mixture of highly processed powder fits with "clean" eating.
But hey, it's a free world (for the most part) and what everyone else eats has no impact on me (except for my husband, but luckily we have a similar food philosophy).
Whey protein isn't highly processed, it's just the liquid skimmed from the top of dairy products, which is then dried. You don't have to get it with additives like artificial sweeteners, many people shop around for purer forms of unflavoured whey or even organic dairy non additive types.
Yeeeessss, I'm sure there are plainer versions, but whenever I skim discussions on the topic they mostly seem to revolve around things like "i love the XYZ super chocolate mocha double lalalala". They never sound very "clean" to me.
Any of the ones I've picked up to check out before have hideously long ingredient lists containing things I've never heard of - but it's good to know that there are some "less processed" versions, thanks for the info.
Yeah, there are a lot of great organic isolates without any fillers, they do have an "off" sort of dried milk flavour though so they are best used in smoothies where you can cover that up, LOL, hence why so many people find the flavoured ones preferable. Even better though is dried egg white powder.
Or... eggs???
Yeah but for people who are very active and have a hard time meeting protein requirements for their lifestyle, it makes it easier to drink whey or add egg white powder to recipes/foods. Again, the average joe/trainer wouldn't need to supplement like this in most cases but sometimes it does help, especially with people who travel a lot or do not have time for meal planning.0 -
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Dang! I thought I was the only one that did that! I use lemon scented...I like the citrus-y taste...0 -
I find it funny, when people claim to be die hard clean eaters. No processed food whatsoever. Yet they turn around and take all kinds of supplements, medicine. Where is the logic in that? The term "clean" or "dirty" has no standard definition. It varies a lot. Therefore it shouldn't be used to describe foods.
Agreed. The one that gets me every time is the protein shakes - they seem to be right outside the definition for "clean eating" for many people. I don't see how drinking a mixture of highly processed powder fits with "clean" eating.
But hey, it's a free world (for the most part) and what everyone else eats has no impact on me (except for my husband, but luckily we have a similar food philosophy).
Whey protein isn't highly processed, it's just the liquid skimmed from the top of dairy products, which is then dried. You don't have to get it with additives like artificial sweeteners, many people shop around for purer forms of unflavoured whey or even organic dairy non additive types.
Yeeeessss, I'm sure there are plainer versions, but whenever I skim discussions on the topic they mostly seem to revolve around things like "i love the XYZ super chocolate mocha double lalalala". They never sound very "clean" to me.
Any of the ones I've picked up to check out before have hideously long ingredient lists containing things I've never heard of - but it's good to know that there are some "less processed" versions, thanks for the info.
Yeah, there are a lot of great organic isolates without any fillers, they do have an "off" sort of dried milk flavour though so they are best used in smoothies where you can cover that up, LOL, hence why so many people find the flavoured ones preferable. Even better though is dried egg white powder.
Or... eggs???
Yea, make sure they're organic free range eggs.
I don't eat organic free range eggs. I just eat grade A Canadian eggs without any cracks in them and hope for the best.
Usually I eat eggs from my sister's farm, so I know they are organic and very free range (the chooks often break into her veggie garden and eat her fresh organic veggies.... I'm sure that's got to be good for me!).
The eggs are sometimes "dirty" though. But I wash them and then they are "clean" 0 -
I wash my pop tarts. With bleach.
Dang! I thought I was the only one that did that! I use lemon scented...I like the citrus-y taste...
Throw it in the dishwasher for further cleaning.0 -
So you don't consider meats with cancer causing nitrates and obscene amounts of sodium dirty? It's within portion control then? Did you know eating deli meats/hot dogs, one serving per day, has shown an increased risk of colon cancer by 21-25 (varying studies)%? http://planetgreen.discovery.com/food-health/a-hot-dog-a-day-increases-your-risk-of-colorectal-cancer-by-21-percent.html
This! I gave up on processed food, artificial sweeteners, fructose, and meat. I'm dairy free (except eggs), soy-free, wheat/gluten/grain free. My BF % has dropped, my weight has dropped, my skin is acne free and glowing, my hair has grown alot and is shiny and I have plenty of energy throughout the day!0 -
I wash my pop tarts. With bleach.
Dang! I thought I was the only one that did that! I use lemon scented...I like the citrus-y taste...
Throw it in the dishwasher for further cleaning.
Excellent suggestion!0 -
I find it funny, when people claim to be die hard clean eaters. No processed food whatsoever. Yet they turn around and take all kinds of supplements, medicine. Where is the logic in that? The term "clean" or "dirty" has no standard definition. It varies a lot. Therefore it shouldn't be used to describe foods.
Agreed. The one that gets me every time is the protein shakes - they seem to be right outside the definition for "clean eating" for many people. I don't see how drinking a mixture of highly processed powder fits with "clean" eating.
But hey, it's a free world (for the most part) and what everyone else eats has no impact on me (except for my husband, but luckily we have a similar food philosophy).
Whey protein isn't highly processed, it's just the liquid skimmed from the top of dairy products, which is then dried. You don't have to get it with additives like artificial sweeteners, many people shop around for purer forms of unflavoured whey or even organic dairy non additive types.
Yeeeessss, I'm sure there are plainer versions, but whenever I skim discussions on the topic they mostly seem to revolve around things like "i love the XYZ super chocolate mocha double lalalala". They never sound very "clean" to me.
Any of the ones I've picked up to check out before have hideously long ingredient lists containing things I've never heard of - but it's good to know that there are some "less processed" versions, thanks for the info.
Yeah, there are a lot of great organic isolates without any fillers, they do have an "off" sort of dried milk flavour though so they are best used in smoothies where you can cover that up, LOL, hence why so many people find the flavoured ones preferable. Even better though is dried egg white powder.
Or... eggs???
Yea, make sure they're organic free range eggs.
I don't eat organic free range eggs. I just eat grade A Canadian eggs without any cracks in them and hope for the best.
Usually I eat eggs from my sister's farm, so I know they are organic and very free range (the chooks often break into her veggie garden and eat her fresh organic veggies.... I'm sure that's got to be good for me!).
The eggs are sometimes "dirty" though. But I wash them and then they are "clean"
Aw!! That's cute, your very lucky to have that ability, I'd love to have my own hens one day! Soon enough I'll have an acreage and be self sustainable, one day... one day. (One can dream)
I used to be a country girl, grew up on the farm, horses, cows, pigs, chickens all that jazz, but for now I'm a city girl. I miss the fresh produce/meats! 0 -
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Aw!! That's cute, your very lucky to have that ability, I'd love to have my own hens one day! Soon enough I'll have an acreage and be self sustainable, one day... one day. (One can dream) I used to be a country girl, grew up on the farm, horses, cows, pigs, chickens all that jazz, but for now I'm a city girl. I miss the fresh produce/meats!
I know, "real" freerange eggs are a completely different thing to shop eggs - they are such a bright yellow colour, they almost look artificial - thanks to the greens they eat (probably sis's broccoli!)
We get broccoli and spinach and zuccini and other veggies in season too, I'm lucky!0 -
(snipping all the previous quotes, it's getting wayyyy too long)
Aw!! That's cute, your very lucky to have that ability, I'd love to have my own hens one day! Soon enough I'll have an acreage and be self sustainable, one day... one day. (One can dream) I used to be a country girl, grew up on the farm, horses, cows, pigs, chickens all that jazz, but for now I'm a city girl. I miss the fresh produce/meats!
I know, "real" freerange eggs are a completely different thing to shop eggs - they are such a bright yellow colour, they almost look artificial - thanks to the greens they eat (probably sis's broccoli!)
We get broccoli and spinach and zuccini and other veggies in season too, I'm lucky!
The eggs taste very good as well!0 -
(snipping all the previous quotes, it's getting wayyyy too long)
Aw!! That's cute, your very lucky to have that ability, I'd love to have my own hens one day! Soon enough I'll have an acreage and be self sustainable, one day... one day. (One can dream) I used to be a country girl, grew up on the farm, horses, cows, pigs, chickens all that jazz, but for now I'm a city girl. I miss the fresh produce/meats!
I know, "real" freerange eggs are a completely different thing to shop eggs - they are such a bright yellow colour, they almost look artificial - thanks to the greens they eat (probably sis's broccoli!)
We get broccoli and spinach and zuccini and other veggies in season too, I'm lucky!
Very very lucky, they charge $6/dozen eggs at the farmer's market for farm fresh free range eggs here. I can't pay that for eggs, we go through them far too quickly! So I just get the best ones I can for the cheapest and hope they don't taste bland and blech.0 -
From where I am sitting and reading, there are plenty of those people on this site. There are so many people that have diaries filled with frozen foods, diet soda, candy bars, fast food, etc.............
And they think it is all good because they are within their calorie limits. There is nothing healthy about that.
Personally, I am sick of the attitude of topics such as the OP posted, it perpetuates a mindset that really needs to be changed, especially in the United States.
I am sick and tired of paying more for health insurance because people don't give a *kitten* to shop and cook properly for themselves and their family all in the name of convenience.
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Me! Me! I'm one of "those" people. I'll eat whatever I want, thank you. Always have. My bloodwork is PHENOMENAL. My weight is considered "normal" (although obviously I'm on here to lose some weight - I like to be thin). If I don't have time as a full-time working mother of two, wife, and graduate student to buy fresh vegetables every couple of days to COOK, it's my own business. And, it doesn't have one single thing to do with your health insurance. But thanks for your condescending opinion of it all. Oh, and my mindset is just fine, thank you.
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Can I hug you?
I hate when other people worry about what someone else does with their life and their body. If I want to eat hot dogs every damned day of my life - it is MY body and I will do with it as I please. If you don't wanna eat something - don't. But, I HATE how condescending and pushy some people get about the "right" and "wrong" way to eat.0 -
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Seems fine. Why don't you add it yourself.0 -
From where I am sitting and reading, there are plenty of those people on this site. There are so many people that have diaries filled with frozen foods, diet soda, candy bars, fast food, etc.............
And they think it is all good because they are within their calorie limits. There is nothing healthy about that.
Personally, I am sick of the attitude of topics such as the OP posted, it perpetuates a mindset that really needs to be changed, especially in the United States.
I am sick and tired of paying more for health insurance because people don't give a *kitten* to shop and cook properly for themselves and their family all in the name of convenience.
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Me! Me! I'm one of "those" people. I'll eat whatever I want, thank you. Always have. My bloodwork is PHENOMENAL. My weight is considered "normal" (although obviously I'm on here to lose some weight - I like to be thin). If I don't have time as a full-time working mother of two, wife, and graduate student to buy fresh vegetables every couple of days to COOK, it's my own business. And, it doesn't have one single thing to do with your health insurance. But thanks for your condescending opinion of it all. Oh, and my mindset is just fine, thank you.
I go to school, run a part time business, work fulltime, tend to my house and household, take my nephews to school functions for my sister, take care of 3 dogs and I still MAKE time to cook fresh vegetables and meats devoid of processed crap.
That is a another major pet peeve of mine that people claim to be so busy that they can't feed their children properly really irks me. I find it to be excuses.
And if you think other peoples habits don't have anything to do with other people's insurance rates, you are sadly mistaken and very ill-informed.
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I wrote a long response to this and then decided - it's not worth it. I would, however, like to point out that you have definitely proven my point about the condescending attitude with your response.0 -
From where I am sitting and reading, there are plenty of those people on this site. There are so many people that have diaries filled with frozen foods, diet soda, candy bars, fast food, etc.............
And they think it is all good because they are within their calorie limits. There is nothing healthy about that.
Personally, I am sick of the attitude of topics such as the OP posted, it perpetuates a mindset that really needs to be changed, especially in the United States.
I am sick and tired of paying more for health insurance because people don't give a *kitten* to shop and cook properly for themselves and their family all in the name of convenience.
_______________________________________
Me! Me! I'm one of "those" people. I'll eat whatever I want, thank you. Always have. My bloodwork is PHENOMENAL. My weight is considered "normal" (although obviously I'm on here to lose some weight - I like to be thin). If I don't have time as a full-time working mother of two, wife, and graduate student to buy fresh vegetables every couple of days to COOK, it's my own business. And, it doesn't have one single thing to do with your health insurance. But thanks for your condescending opinion of it all. Oh, and my mindset is just fine, thank you.
Can I hug you?
I hate when other people worry about what someone else does with their life and their body. If I want to eat hot dogs every damned day of my life - it is MY body and I will do with it as I please. If you don't wanna eat something - don't. But, I HATE how condescending and pushy some people get about the "right" and "wrong" way to eat.
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I love hugs. Glad to know I'm not in here alone.0 -
Oscar Mayer has nitrate free hot dogs now... 0
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That is a another major pet peeve of mine that people claim to be so busy that they can't feed their children properly really irks me. I find it to be excuses.
This is a major pet peeve of mine. People who assume they know everything about everyone else's lives, and judge them based on it. You have no clue whatsoever about anyone else's "busy" lives. Your life may be a cakewalk compared to theirs.0 -
From where I am sitting and reading, there are plenty of those people on this site. There are so many people that have diaries filled with frozen foods, diet soda, candy bars, fast food, etc.............
And they think it is all good because they are within their calorie limits. There is nothing healthy about that.
Personally, I am sick of the attitude of topics such as the OP posted, it perpetuates a mindset that really needs to be changed, especially in the United States.
I am sick and tired of paying more for health insurance because people don't give a *kitten* to shop and cook properly for themselves and their family all in the name of convenience.
_______________________________________
Me! Me! I'm one of "those" people. I'll eat whatever I want, thank you. Always have. My bloodwork is PHENOMENAL. My weight is considered "normal" (although obviously I'm on here to lose some weight - I like to be thin). If I don't have time as a full-time working mother of two, wife, and graduate student to buy fresh vegetables every couple of days to COOK, it's my own business. And, it doesn't have one single thing to do with your health insurance. But thanks for your condescending opinion of it all. Oh, and my mindset is just fine, thank you.
I go to school, run a part time business, work fulltime, tend to my house and household, take my nephews to school functions for my sister, take care of 3 dogs and I still MAKE time to cook fresh vegetables and meats devoid of processed crap.
That is a another major pet peeve of mine that people claim to be so busy that they can't feed their children properly really irks me. I find it to be excuses.
And if you think other peoples habits don't have anything to do with other people's insurance rates, you are sadly mistaken and very ill-informed.
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Well good for you - why are you on this site? trying to lose weight? don't the overweight and obese with medical issues also hike insurance rates? Smokers? The elderly? It's so easy to point the finger.... I know health freaks who've got cancer and thin people with the worst eating habits who never had a serious medical issue. Why be so judgy judgy because you cook fresh meats veggies and non-processed every single meal? I don't judge what others eat unless they complain to me they are overweight/unhealthy while popping the 2nd twinkie of the day... then I'm like... really?!0 -
This! I gave up on processed food, artificial sweeteners, fructose, and meat. I'm dairy free (except eggs), soy-free, wheat/gluten/grain free. My BF % has dropped, my weight has dropped, my skin is acne free and glowing, my hair has grown alot and is shiny and I have plenty of energy throughout the day!
What do you eat? Eggs are dairy?0 -
Eggs are dairy?
Cow eggs are yummy!0 -
Listen I'm not one of those serious forum people who eats clean like a freak everyday of my life and lectures people. I'm just saying, you do people a disservice by saying that it's okay to eat certain types of known "dirty" foods on a regular basis that medical studies are showing to be terrible for us. You can go have your hay day, I'm not going to get my panties all tied in a wad over the stupid retorts people are making about a "Dirty" food, everyone should know.
I agree with you in a sense.
Health and body composition (ratio of fat to muscle) are not one and the same thing.
Anyone who says you must eat clean exclusively whatever that means to achieve a decent body composition or level of health is misguided. By the same token anyone who really recommends a "Twinkie" style diet as a legitimate strategy for the average dieter is equally misguided. Most people will do far better on a diet high in lean protein, fibrous veg and a few portions of fruit with some calorie dense foods (chocolate, cake etc) thrown in for good measure than a diet high in calorie dense food with only a few items of fresh food thrown into the mix.
very "middle of the road"...i lke your style0 -
Eggs are dairy?
Cow eggs are yummy!
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Eggs are dairy?
Cow eggs are yummy!
Awesome.0 -
This! I gave up on processed food, artificial sweeteners, fructose, and meat. I'm dairy free (except eggs), soy-free, wheat/gluten/grain free. My BF % has dropped, my weight has dropped, my skin is acne free and glowing, my hair has grown alot and is shiny and I have plenty of energy throughout the day!
What do you eat? Eggs are dairy?
Fish/shellfish, an abundance of vegetables and fruit (you should it sometime), hemp protein and yes eggs (I am anemic and my doctor told me to keep eggs in my diet)0
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