diet soda or no diet soda

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  • Posts: 3,369 Member

    ^^^this!

    You just had New York Style pizza twice in the last week.
    New York Style - Pizza Slice-Plain, 2 slice 500 calories.

    Ingredients in that can't be too healthy (for you anyway).

    Having sodas/not having diet sodas isn't some on / off switch.

    Unless you have access to niner's blood/urine work, how can you determine if having a soda once in while is detrimental to his health or not? Answer. You can't.

    Being in the SUN is unhealthy in the way you are taking these examples.
  • Posts: 49,051 Member
    Well if a man had made this statement,"my dear" wouldnt have been used I'm sure.
    You're right. I would have said "dude..." I've done this on many posts.
    I'm also sure you dont know her personally well enough to use that term with her affectionately. It's a "polite" yet still condescending way of addressing a woman that one is not giving full credit/respect to. You could have respectfully used her MFP username.
    I use it to talk to kids at my daughters school. "You did a good job, my dear" is something I say to the kids when I do some volunteer work there. Don't see it, but in the future I'll refrain from using it.

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  • Posts: 1,092 Member
    I use it to talk to kids at my daughters school. "You did a good job, my dear" is something I say to the kids when I do some volunteer work there. Don't see it, but in the future I'll refrain from using it.

    Good move. Words like "my dear" "sweetheart" and "honey" are patronizing and condescending, especially during a debate, and even more so when you use them to address your "opponent" or someone with opposing views.

    Some women (possibly men too, idk) feel that these terms are ALWAYS insulting, unless they are said by a very intimate acquaintance / friend / partner.

    Personally, I wouldn't tolerate being addressed that way in the workplace. Unless it was an expression of sympathy, like "Oh dear, are you alright?" after I slipped and fell...
  • Posts: 49,051 Member
    well i guess that depends on your own definition of the word "healthy" ninerbuff.
    Are you saying people who eat junk food in moderation CAN'T be healthy? I abide the dictionary term:
    health·y/ˈhelTHē/
    Adjective:

    In good health: "feeling fit and healthy".
    (of a part of the body) Not diseased.

    i'm sorry. ((hugs)). average age in my family is over 100.:smile: there will be 4 people at the holiday dinner table over 100 in fact this year.
    No need to be sorry. We get to do it eating junk food.:smile:
    no, i never said that all you do here is tell people to eat junk for all their meals nor is that what i think (*ouch get outta my head* lol). but you are up to what? 50? 60? posts on this thread (I have a life, not going to actually count- maybe you would like to and ten wonder why?). we get it. you advocate (for there is no other word that could be used when someone posts so often in one thread) diet soda. great. however apparently no one is allowed to post an opinion that differs from yours on MFP. the question asked 'what's your opinion on diet soda?' and the and the chauvinistic condescending attitude if the poster that doesn't agree w/ you happen to be female is truly offensive. just because some of us are secure enough in our worlds not to fill our sig lines w/ our credentials doesn't mean there isn't letters after our names irl.
    I advocate for truth on diet soda. If you wish to choose to ignore studies by verifiable organizations (Mayo Clinic and American Cancer Society) then do, but I won't let others fall for it. All I've be doing is refuting opinions that are untrue. If the there's a rebuttal that's an actual counterpoint with merit to my refutation then I'll gladly look at it. But again, for those that really want to know if diet soda is that "evil", correct information should be posted and just not anecdotal responses.
    equating posting links as indisputable fact is a trap often bandied about on message boards. w/o knowing who paid for study to be done, the methodology used, studying the statistics, running through each footnote, etc., it is worthless. just googling for links that support whatever one is trying to 'prove' on a message board is basically a joke, anyone can find numerous links by 'reputable' sources that will supposedly support their side of view on ANY controversial topic. i've seen link wars even on the VIN where ppl posting them did not take the time to really study the link they were posting (and that is a place where everyone posting has the education background to truly analyze the link posted).
    Pasting info that's peer review isn't worthless. This is the banter from some who wish to deny that the studies are legit.
    aww, that's so sweet. where were you while i was a hospital bed for months and then a wheelchair for over a year? i'm doing much better now though thank you- i'll take a pass on that offer. (condescending attitude evokes response of same),besides, i'm not the crying type.
    You're angry. Life threw you a bone. Maybe debating with me is your release. Glad to help.:happy:


    right back at ya! :wink: who wants to take bets that you won't though? *yawn* i've lost interest in this topic and have more urgent things to tend to. the only thing important in this post is what i said about links, that i hope gets read by a few ppl.
    Right read links from both sides that have PEER REVIEWED CLINICAL STUDIES. Not blogs, opinions and articles.
    I agree.

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  • Posts: 49,051 Member
    You just had New York Style pizza twice in the last week.
    New York Style - Pizza Slice-Plain, 2 slice 500 calories.

    Ingredients in that can't be too healthy (for you anyway).

    Having sodas/not having diet sodas isn't some on / off switch.

    Unless you have access to niner's blood/urine work, how can you determine if having a soda once in while is detrimental to his health or not? Answer. You can't.

    Being in the SUN is unhealthy in the way you are taking these examples.
    The "do as I say and not as I do" prevails here. I admire her moxy though.

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    The artificial sweeteners are horrible for you. Many are toxic substances that cannot be processed by our bodies, some are even on the EPA's list of most toxic chemical substances. If you absolutely HAVE to have a soda, opt for a sparkling juice instead. Yes, they have calories, but they are so much better for your body! The 150 or so calories they have are worth when it comes to overall health. Plus, they at least have some vitamin C in those calories.
  • Posts: 97 Member
    What about no soda? just drink seltzer water w lime if what you want is the bubbles! Unless you're having a rum and coke! no soda! it doesn't give you anything! really! no nutrients, no nada!
  • diet soda-in moderation. (I drink coke zero) I only drink about a soda a week-so it isn't that bad, and I can't stand the taste of sugary soda.
  • Posts: 1,245 Member
    Many foods, heck, many things "cause you to gain weight". The issue is who is "you" and how does it "cause you to gain weight".

    My understanding is that research has shown that lots of people who drink soda are overweight. What I don't see in any of the popular articles that reveal this is how the study was conducted. Something that's that much of a blanket statement doesn't lead me to have a lot of confidence that what's being printed is all of meaningful because I don't know what they did to control the variables.

    When I started losing weight, I cut diet soda out of my diet. After I'd lost my weight, I was thinking about why I did that. I couldn't find any particular reason to not drink diet soda…besides the stories and the anecdotes. And as we all know, "the plural of the workd anecdote is not data.", right? The only reason I could think of was that I stopped drinking soda because it was some sort of penance. Other than that, I can't find a reason to not drink diet soda.

    I'd love to see the results of studies because that would definitely shed light on this. Until there's actual medical evidence, I'll just go with what's in the supermarket shelf.
  • Posts: 49,051 Member
    The artificial sweeteners are horrible for you. Many are toxic substances that cannot be processed by our bodies, some are even on the EPA's list of most toxic chemical substances. If you absolutely HAVE to have a soda, opt for a sparkling juice instead. Yes, they have calories, but they are so much better for your body! The 150 or so calories they have are worth when it comes to overall health. Plus, they at least have some vitamin C in those calories.
    The amount of "toxic" chemicals rivals that which are in natural foods. Potatoes and tomatoes.are toxic because of glycoalkaloid poison. Almonds and cherries have cyanide in them.
    So why are we eating them? Because the amount usually isn't enough to kill us. Same as artificial sweeteners.

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  • I recognize it's not the best thing for me, but neither is being obese! I like how the bubbles make me feel full. I like drinking it at gatherings where I tend to overeat - gives me something to ingest instead of chips and dips or beer! Right now, diet soda is a means to an end for me - a tool. Maybe I'll decrease my use of it as I get closer to my goal.
  • The artificial sweeteners are horrible for you. Many are toxic substances that cannot be processed by our bodies, some are even on the EPA's list of most toxic chemical substances. If you absolutely HAVE to have a soda, opt for a sparkling juice instead. Yes, they have calories, but they are so much better for your body! The 150 or so calories they have are worth when it comes to overall health. Plus, they at least have some vitamin C in those calories.

    Then you have to do a detox cleanse right? :wink:
  • Posts: 49,051 Member
    What about no soda? just drink seltzer water w lime if what you want is the bubbles! Unless you're having a rum and coke! no soda! it doesn't give you anything! really! no nutrients, no nada!
    Like many here have said, it gives them the "sweetness" without the calories. If you have a sweet tooth, this can be a good way to keep it at bay.

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  • Posts: 21 Member
    I've noticed that diet soda does actually make me crave sweets, I read an article about it and thought it was all crap, but when I kind of experimented and drank regular and didn't have the cravings like I did when I drank diet. Plus the sodium adds up fast when you're drinking it regularly. I don't think it will totally kill your diet to have a few a week, but I'm trying to wean myself off of it entirely as I know it's not good for me. I mean, really, it is just chemicals when you think about it..
  • i drink diet soda a LOT... hopefully it doesn't make you gain weight..
  • Posts: 467 Member
    I know they aren't the best thing for you as well, and I am concerned more about the phosphorous and artificial sweeteners than the caffeine. But I do have one or two a day, and have been for the past six months, and I still have been on top of my weight loss.
  • Posts: 3,369 Member
    I thought it had alot of sodium also. But it doesn't seem like that much?

    http://productnutrition.thecoca-colacompany.com/products/diet-coke#nutrition
  • Posts: 1,023 Member
    No soda! Cut back as much as you can and you will see a difference. Until you are off, at least do cafeine free, no sugar added.

    Sure switching from regular to diet helps, much less sugar from some to none makes another big difference.

    If you aren't sure, ask a nutritionist! They will tell you to skip it and all the artifical sweetners as much as you can!!!!

    Best of Luck!!!
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    I found that I lost a good 5-8 lbs without even trying once I nixed the diet soda and artificial sweeteners. I drink tea, coffee, milk, water and red wine (for my heart, ya know?!).
    -Andi
  • Posts: 813 Member
    My god!
    Why would anybody advocate drinking that nasty, processed crud?
    Drink water with lemon, green tea, and if you need caffeine, fresh brewed coffee or tea.

    Come on folks!
  • Posts: 49,051 Member
    My god!
    Why would anybody advocate drinking that nasty, processed crud?
    Drink water with lemon, green tea, and if you need caffeine, fresh brewed coffee or tea.

    Come on folks!
    Substitutions for some don't do it. Like when some substitutes "turkey bacon" for real bacon. It's not the same thing. I drink it for the "sweetness" and taste. That's basically it. Don't care if it has no nutritional value. It satisfies my sweet tooth.

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  • No soda! Cut back as much as you can and you will see a difference. Until you are off, at least do cafeine free, no sugar added.

    Sure switching from regular to diet helps, much less sugar from some to none makes another big difference.

    If you aren't sure, ask a nutritionist! They will tell you to skip it and all the artifical sweetners as much as you can!!!!

    Best of Luck!!!

    What is wrong with caffeine?
  • Posts: 8,810 Member
    What is wrong with caffeine?

    nothing
  • Posts: 3,369 Member
    My god!
    Why would anybody advocate drinking that nasty, processed crud?
    Drink water with lemon, green tea, and if you need caffeine, fresh brewed coffee or tea.

    Come on folks!

    If we all ate/drank perfectly, there would be no need for this site right? To me, diet soda was an alternative to regular soda. I'm starting to ween myself off of drinking more than about 1 per 2 days. For alot of people is a process. Many people just can't go from soda to water. Right now, I'm using water with MIO. It has helped.
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    What is wrong with caffeine?
    It's POISON. Google it and you'll find TONS of articles, blogs and opinions on how bad it is for you...................:laugh:

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  • Posts: 13,247 Member
    I don't get any enjoyment out of plain water (or water with lemon, lime, etc.). I don't want to put anything in my mouth if I don't get pleasure from it.






    That can be taken in an entirely different way. :embarassed:
  • ..... who wants to take bets that you won't though?

    You're right, it will never stop!!! LOL!
    But I will - this will be my last post on this cause no amount of fair and respectful presentation of the "other side" will get through.


    Ok, I lied, gotta say I'm LMAO on the above post!:laugh:
  • Posts: 1,092 Member
    My god!
    Why would anybody advocate drinking that nasty, processed crud?
    Drink water with lemon, green tea, and if you need caffeine, fresh brewed coffee or tea.

    Come on folks!

    It seems dumb to act so scandalized about "processed" food and then advocate things like coffee or tea. Coffee, which is picked, shelled, dried, roasted, then ground and brewed. If that doesn't sound like a process, I'd love to know what a process is...

    It never makes any sense to me. "But it's full of chemicals!!!!" Yea, and? Oranges are full of limonene, ascorbic acid, and citric acid. Oh...but...but... its NATURAL

    Yea? Natural? Like poison ivy, ragweed, and hemlock.

    Seems dumb. Just sayin.
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    It seems dumb to act so scandalized about "processed" food and then advocate things like coffee or tea. Coffee, which is picked, shelled, dried, roasted, then ground and brewed. If that doesn't sound like a process, I'd love to know what a process is...

    It never makes any sense to me. "But it's full of chemicals!!!!" Yea, and? Oranges are full of limonene, ascorbic acid, and citric acid. Oh...but...but... its NATURAL

    Yea? Natural? Like poison ivy, ragweed, and hemlock.

    Seems dumb. Just sayin.

    The difference between something "seeming dumb" and being dumb is perspective. Get some.

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    The difference between something "seeming dumb" and being dumb is perspective. Get some.

    Perhaps you could enlighten me, since I apparently lack perspective. By what logic can you claim something is good simply because it is natural, and bad because it is man made. That sounds like an ignorant generalization to me, but I lack perspective, so I'll defer to you, in this case ;)
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