Is nothing sacred anymore?
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In 5-10 years, we will see a backlash where studies will show how damaging overprotective helicopter parents have been to children and just like with the bully stuff, we'll overreact and go the other direction with wilderness camps and ways to "toughen" up our kids.We are raising a country of pansys...this is the price we pay
I'm going to be ahead of the curve and set up a consulting firm where parents can pay me to punch their kids in the face and yell at them.0 -
You're talking about the movie. None of that is in the story book.
I agree with that thought.. I just diasagree that the story portrays thatI think it's a great message. Prove your self worth by working hard and promoting your strengths. That's the real world. If you work hard, people will naturally want you and gravitate to you. If you sit on your butt like a lump and playing the roll of a bullied victim, no one is going to want to use you for things. Pick yourself up, and move forward!
What GorillaNJ SaidWhat? he strikes out into the wilderness with a dentist elf, fights a giant snow monster thing.. discovers an island of toys that he comes back to rescue... AFTER going back, facing his fears and fighting that monster again- saving his father, mother, and POA from certain death. THEN he saves Christmas with his blinged out nose! Rudolf is a straight up PIMP.
The thread is about the movie, not the book. Am I wrong?0 -
You're talking about the movie. None of that is in the story book.
I agree with that thought.. I just diasagree that the story portrays thatI think it's a great message. Prove your self worth by working hard and promoting your strengths. That's the real world. If you work hard, people will naturally want you and gravitate to you. If you sit on your butt like a lump and playing the roll of a bullied victim, no one is going to want to use you for things. Pick yourself up, and move forward!
What GorillaNJ SaidWhat? he strikes out into the wilderness with a dentist elf, fights a giant snow monster thing.. discovers an island of toys that he comes back to rescue... AFTER going back, facing his fears and fighting that monster again- saving his father, mother, and POA from certain death. THEN he saves Christmas with his blinged out nose! Rudolf is a straight up PIMP.
The thread is about the movie, not the book. Am I wrong?
No sir, you are correct!0 -
In 5-10 years, we will see a backlash where studies will show how damaging overprotective helicopter parents have been to children and just like with the bully stuff, we'll overreact and go the other direction with wilderness camps and ways to "toughen" up our kids.We are raising a country of pansys...this is the price we pay
I'm going to be ahead of the curve and set up a consulting firm where parents can pay me to punch their kids in the face and yell at them.
Genius!
*cough*need a business partner?*cough*0 -
I read the article, and this comment below it was so good, I thought I would share it:
I'm 23 years old and grew up with these classics! I find it very hard to believe that Rudolph, Charlie Brown, and the Grinch are significant factors in any kind of Christmas special, whose main goal is to convey the true meaning of Christmas: Rudolph saves Christmas and helps the misfit toys find loving homes, Charlie Brown discovers the meaning of Christmas through a little insight from Linus who recites the Scripture regarding the birth of Jesus, and "the Grinch's small heart" is filled with the warmth of Chrismas joy and the true meaning of Christmas shines through him. He returns Christmas to Who-Ville and celebrates with the Whos. Charles ****ens' "Christmas Carol" is another film/novel whose main character, Ebenezer Scrooge, is the biggest bully of them all, yet he is redeemed by the joy of Christmas at the end of the novel. Why is this man spending so much time criticizing these films, when the end result conveys the redemptive power of love and family found during Christmas?Professor Giuliani, find something better to do with your time.
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This! That pretty much sums it up.0 -
In 5-10 years, we will see a backlash where studies will show how damaging overprotective helicopter parents have been to children and just like with the bully stuff, we'll overreact and go the other direction with wilderness camps and ways to "toughen" up our kids.We are raising a country of pansys...this is the price we pay
I'm going to be ahead of the curve and set up a consulting firm where parents can pay me to punch their kids in the face and yell at them.
OMFG!!! best comment ever!!0 -
I thought that was the whole point of the story! Yes, roudoulf got bullied, and pushed around. What did he do? Manned up and became the most bad *kitten* reindeer of them all!
That used to be the way to deal with bullies, was to believe in yourself and stand up for your self. Now they tell the kids to go to the teacher. I hate that.
Amen to that! There is a line between downright evil harassment and teasing.... and it's that mostly harmless teasing that makes people become bad *kitten*.0 -
:laugh: Damn you, auto-censor!Charles ****ens0 -
Oh my gosh.
That is ridiculous. I mean, yes, a lot of characters in children's tv are bullied... but that happens in real life. It's not ideal, but it's the way the world is.
The story of Rudolph is saying that everyone is different and special and has their own niche and talents... that's a GOOD lesson I think...
Wow... Why does everything have to be so politically correct?
No, the message is that, if you don't confirm to mainstream society's values, you will be shunned, ridiculed, bullied, and your parents will say you are an embarrassment.
UNLESS.... it turns out you can help corporations continue making profits--then they will temporarily pretend to like you until you have fulfilled your purpose.
#occupyrudolph
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I have 5 kids - all boys.
And I taught them all how to deal with a bully.
ATTACK!
And they all have at various time when confronted by these vermin. All of my boys have been given hand-to-hand combat training, and they are taught to use it when the time is right. After a few such episodes, no more bullying for the Clerici boys. The exploitive cowards found easier marks to push around - little weak kids.
I wish every parent strength trained and taught fighting skills, but that's not reality. To bad for them.0 -
I thought that was the whole point of the story! Yes, roudoulf got bullied, and pushed around. What did he do? Manned up and became the most bad *kitten* reindeer of them all!
That used to be the way to deal with bullies, was to believe in yourself and stand up for your self. Now they tell the kids to go to the teacher. I hate that.
Absolutely! And that's why Rudolph was my role model growing up! He made me proud to be a misfit.
It's also what I love about the Harry Potter series. He was sometimes ostracized for his abilities and history, but in the end, he was the hero of the entire wizarding world.0 -
Like I always say, some people love nothing more than to be offended and go out of their way to seek offence wherever they can.0
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yes I hate this movie...its so mean!
sorry guys Santa is an *kitten*!0 -
A girl posted on facebook a few days ago they were thinking of banning all balls from schoolyards. I didn't read the article, but I think either a student, or parent took one to the face. Like, rubber balls, dodgeballs, baseballs,footballs......
wtf
Yeah she is referring to a school here in Toronto. A mother complained after a kid was hit in the head with a soccer ball. The school banned all hard balls, the only balls allowed were sponge balls lol. It made international headlines, even SNL did a sketch about it. So many parents complained though so they held a meeting and tennis balls are allowed again but larger balls need to be signed out until they make a permanent decision. But I guess the code of conduct has always limited the use of hard balls at this school cause the playground space is small and a lot of children get hit.0 -
And this comes from the same types that complain because kids aren't getting enough exercise...It's recess, a break from school to burn off energy...My mom is a elementary school teacher and there are schoold in her district where kids can't RUN on the playground!!! Seriously? NO RUNNING?!?!?0 -
I thought that was the whole point of the story! Yes, roudoulf got bullied, and pushed around. What did he do? Manned up and became the most bad *kitten* reindeer of them all!
That used to be the way to deal with bullies, was to believe in yourself and stand up for your self. Now they tell the kids to go to the teacher. I hate that.
I don't know, I used to agree with you until my 5-year-old started getting bullied. A kid that young doesn't have the emotional skills to understand what it means to stand up for herself. Kids that age see things in black and white, right and wrong, no gray areas. My kid is a rule-follower, and she knows that it's against the rules to tattle, and it's also against the rules to hit or be mean to someone. For adults, we know there are exceptions to these rules, but for her 5-year-old brain, it means she's not allowed to tell the teacher or stand up for herself when someone knocks her down on the playground or calls her a baby because she's short. So yeah, I think it's important to teach kids to stand up for themselves, but when it starts this young, that's a hard lesson for them to understand.
I am sorry your daughter is being bullied... but isn't it best for her to learn how to deal with it now at 5... then use that lesson the rest of her life?
No because 5 yr olds don't have the behavioral or cognitive ability to "deal with it". You might as well ask her to solve calculus equations. Here's another plan: How about asking the 5 yr old bullies and their parents to "deal with it"? Why do they get a pass?0 -
Let's keep our kids at home, under glass, so they can't be exposed to any potential controversy. The turn them loose as adults and watch them fail.
I can't believe what some people get their panties in a bunch over.0 -
No because 5 yr olds don't have the behavioral or cognitive ability to "deal with it". You might as well ask her to solve calculus equations. Here's another plan: How about asking the 5 yr old bullies and their parents to "deal with it"? Why do they get a pass?
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I think one of the things people don't understand about bullying is that it doesn't actually "toughen up" the kid being bullied. It just affects their self-esteem negatively. Even if they do stand up for themselves, that causes a new set of problems. It's exacerbated when it starts at such a young age, before a child has had a chance to develop his/her self-image. A 15-year-old who has never had self-esteem problems can learn to stand up for himself, no problem -- but he's probably not getting picked on in the first place because he's not an easy target. A 5-year-old doesn't have the same emotional skills, and isn't developmentally capable of learning them yet. I'd love for my daughter to stand up for herself, but it's not part of her skill set right now. So we have to approach the problem in other ways rather than asking a child to just suck it up and deal.0 -
I highly doubt those cartoons are causing bullying. Or that removing them will remove bullying. I know that the bullying, if any on Rudolph, always tugged at my heart as blatantly wrong and never caused me to want to bully. Even adults bully. They are looking for the easy answer because time and time again the schools don't want to deal with it. For one the schools are over crowded and for 2 their not aloud to really discipline. I have family in the school system as teachers and one of the biggest problems is the parents who truly believe the rules do not apply to their kids. That is not all parents. But the few ruin it for the many. Especially when the principals have an agenda and I've known a few a time or 2 that did. They want to pass the blame instead of conquering the problem head on. The kids know they can get away with it so they do. It's human nature.0
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Let's keep our kids at home, under glass, so they can't be exposed to any potential controversy. The turn them loose as adults and watch them fail.
I can't believe what some people get their panties in a bunch over.
BUT THE POOR REINDEER WAS BULLIED!
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Booooo effing hooo. People are too damn sensitive anymore.
Maybe we should stop teaching history in schools too, you know, since countries have invaded other countries and conqured them. That's like bullying. Maybe we can re-write it that one country asked nicely if they can have the other country, and they said "Okay!".
Lmfao your pic is hilarious :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:0 -
In 5-10 years, we will see a backlash where studies will show how damaging overprotective helicopter parents have been to children and just like with the bully stuff, we'll overreact and go the other direction with wilderness camps and ways to "toughen" up our kids.We are raising a country of pansys...this is the price we pay
I'm going to be ahead of the curve and set up a consulting firm where parents can pay me to punch their kids in the face and yell at them.
Stupid me I have been doing this for free as a football coach!0 -
You coach for free? (sorry random thought. I might be on the wrong post.:embarassed: )
In 5-10 years, we will see a backlash where studies will show how damaging overprotective helicopter parents have been to children and just like with the bully stuff, we'll overreact and go the other direction with wilderness camps and ways to "toughen" up our kids.We are raising a country of pansys...this is the price we pay
I'm going to be ahead of the curve and set up a consulting firm where parents can pay me to punch their kids in the face and yell at them.
Stupid me I have been doing this for free as a football coach!0 -
I thought that was the whole point of the story! Yes, roudoulf got bullied, and pushed around. What did he do? Manned up and became the most bad *kitten* reindeer of them all!
That used to be the way to deal with bullies, was to believe in yourself and stand up for your self. Now they tell the kids to go to the teacher. I hate that.
I don't know, I used to agree with you until my 5-year-old started getting bullied. A kid that young doesn't have the emotional skills to understand what it means to stand up for herself. Kids that age see things in black and white, right and wrong, no gray areas. My kid is a rule-follower, and she knows that it's against the rules to tattle, and it's also against the rules to hit or be mean to someone. For adults, we know there are exceptions to these rules, but for her 5-year-old brain, it means she's not allowed to tell the teacher or stand up for herself when someone knocks her down on the playground or calls her a baby because she's short. So yeah, I think it's important to teach kids to stand up for themselves, but when it starts this young, that's a hard lesson for them to understand.
I am sorry your daughter is being bullied... but isn't it best for her to learn how to deal with it now at 5... then use that lesson the rest of her life?
No because 5 yr olds don't have the behavioral or cognitive ability to "deal with it". You might as well ask her to solve calculus equations. Here's another plan: How about asking the 5 yr old bullies and their parents to "deal with it"? Why do they get a pass?
Yep, at what point do the parents get the blame when the kids are this young. They are just as responsible as the child. I have found that alot of the time the parents encourage this behavior (Not ALL the time but a good amount of the time).0 -
In my opinion, I don't see anything wrong with this CLASSIC. I don't think many kids, I know I didn't, will even go into deep thinking about him being picked on about his nose. I still didn't think about it until I read this post. I have two nephews that are 5 and 8, and I tell them and so do their parents if someone is picking on them either you take care of it or tell your teacher. Normally the teacher never does anything about it, so honestly I say to just punch them and they'll leave you alone. My cousin is also 5 and there's this little girl at school that calls her fat, so she said; I may be fat but you're ugly.
When I was in high school these two sisters wanted to 'bully' me and talk about fighting me so I told 'em to bring it on. We fought and they never said anything to me again. Problem solved for me.
To be honest, I don't think it has anything to do with Rudolph with kids bullying. I believe it deals with how the child is raised. I was raised to never pick on someone else, but to always stick up for myself no matter what. It's what a parent needs to teach their children. Never pick on someone else and don't let someone pick on you.
You may be against violence but you have to realize kids get bullied MORE when they tell a teacher on the other person.0 -
You coach for free? (sorry random thought. I might be on the wrong post.:embarassed: )
yes.....little kids. one team 5-7 and the other 8-10... actually I pay for my kids to be on the team... so I guess I pay to be a coach.. and yell at kids0 -
I thought that was the whole point of the story! Yes, roudoulf got bullied, and pushed around. What did he do? Manned up and became the most bad *kitten* reindeer of them all!
That used to be the way to deal with bullies, was to believe in yourself and stand up for your self. Now they tell the kids to go to the teacher. I hate that.
I don't know, I used to agree with you until my 5-year-old started getting bullied. A kid that young doesn't have the emotional skills to understand what it means to stand up for herself. Kids that age see things in black and white, right and wrong, no gray areas. My kid is a rule-follower, and she knows that it's against the rules to tattle, and it's also against the rules to hit or be mean to someone. For adults, we know there are exceptions to these rules, but for her 5-year-old brain, it means she's not allowed to tell the teacher or stand up for herself when someone knocks her down on the playground or calls her a baby because she's short. So yeah, I think it's important to teach kids to stand up for themselves, but when it starts this young, that's a hard lesson for them to understand.
If I was a parent and I knew my child was getting bullied and she didn't want to stick up for herself being so young. I'd make a meeting with the teacher or with the kids parents.0 -
The main reason kids act up or bully is because they have internal strife or some need that is not being met. When we refuse to address these issues and place boundaries how are they going to learn. Plus when they grow up, there is no magical age number at which it stops. Some people are just naturally bullies and it's our job to teach them how to deal with it. How are they going to be successful if every time there was a problem (which as long as the earth exists in it's current condition will never go away) we taught them to run away or not deal with it. Math, tests, peer pressure. We need to teach them to believe in themselves and the gifts they are. So many great things were invented because people didn't give into the pressures of, "your not good enough" or all the doors that slammed no in their faces. Bullying isn't nice and neither is a judgmental mindsets. But these trials do make us stronger, more creative, and give us the ability to learn from them and become stronger. I think one of the most important thing is that it can teach us to have compassion where it would otherwise not exist. That's why people give to the needy. They learned how to have compassion.0
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If I was a parent and I knew my child was getting bullied and she didn't want to stick up for herself being so young. I'd make a meeting with the teacher or with the kids parents.
I have done so, and am in frequent communication with the principal and the teacher. Things are improving, but it's not because my child has learned to stand up for herself. That was my point, that a little kid can't be expected to stand up to a bully, and that the adults do need to step in.0 -
No because 5 yr olds don't have the behavioral or cognitive ability to "deal with it". You might as well ask her to solve calculus equations. Here's another plan: How about asking the 5 yr old bullies and their parents to "deal with it"? Why do they get a pass? :flowerforyou:
I think one of the things people don't understand about bullying is that it doesn't actually "toughen up" the kid being bullied. It just affects their self-esteem negatively. Even if they do stand up for themselves, that causes a new set of problems. It's exacerbated when it starts at such a young age, before a child has had a chance to develop his/her self-image. A 15-year-old who has never had self-esteem problems can learn to stand up for himself, no problem -- but he's probably not getting picked on in the first place because he's not an easy target. A 5-year-old doesn't have the same emotional skills, and isn't developmentally capable of learning them yet. I'd love for my daughter to stand up for herself, but it's not part of her skill set right now. So we have to approach the problem in other ways rather than asking a child to just suck it up and deal.
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