Cutting dairy from diet? Your thoughts...

maryd523

I hate seeing these ancient artifact papers being picked clean for facts that support an argument by people who don't understand how to choose or read a research article.

:laugh: :laugh:

At least I have studies. I'm sure you did a ton of research before deciding dairy was good for you, right? You didn't just...I don't know...hear it at school or EVERYWHERE?

I've never really had any class that told me what food was 'good' or 'bad' for me. I certainly understand digestion, though. And how to properly support an argument. Give me 10 minutes and I can pick clean a bunch of papers that WILL say calcium is good for you, etc. etc.

Yes....calcium IS good for you. When packaged with dairy, however, it causes the blood to become slightly acidic, which the body deals with by pulling calcium from the bones.

Don't take my word for it, look it up yourself! I used to love milk and now I think it's the most disgusting fluid...full of blood, pus, muscus...ew. Not to mention the fact that it's horrible for your body.

Just a thought here... so the milk we produce for our children to nurse them on, is that somehow completely fundamentally different from cow's milk? I mean, both milks serve the same purpose, don't they? I'm sure what they're comprised of can vary widely depending on the mother's diet, but human milk probably has some of those same nasty and horrible things you mentioned. I just don't get your argument at all.

That's a great question you brought up. Yes, human milk and cow milk are very different. Human milk is meant for human infants, (duh), who develop slowly and whose main nutritional needs are for the brain. Cows, on the other hand, make milk to facilitate the massive physical growth calves go through. Hence, cow's milk is much higher in protein than is human milk, amoung other things.

As far as blood, pus, and muscus being in human milk...I don't know. But I don't plan on giving my infant a jug of breast-milk that has been milked from dozens (or more) different females. It'll be straight from me to her, just like nature intended.

RonSwanson66

Here's a link to some information about dairy from the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine.
http://www.pcrm.org/search/?cid=252

^^ PETArds with an agenda^^^
Less than 5 percent of PCRM’s members are physicians, and Barnard is not a nutritionist (he's a psychiatrist).

And another here:
http://www.thechinastudy.com/la-timesarticle.html

Ugh.

"In sum, “The China Study” is a compelling collection of carefully chosen data. Unfortunately for both health seekers and the scientific community, Campbell appears to exclude relevant information when it indicts plant foods as causative of disease, or when it shows potential benefits for animal products."
For a complete evisceration of that steaming pile, read this:
http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/

maryd523

I just want to say something, since everyone always gets so worked up whenever I express my opinion that cow's milk is meant for baby cows, and not as a necessary part of the human diet. I'm not trying to be contrary or stomp all over everyone's beloved milk. It took several years of relunctant open-mindedness and skepticism before I gradually came around to my current stance. Here in America, we are taught our entire lives, through school and the media, that dairy is very healthy and we should eat a ton of it. The facts are different. The dairy industry is powerful, and they have influence in the government. I encourage everyone to do their own research and decide for themselves.

That is all.

TheBraveryLover

I don't cut dairy but I don't drink milk anymore mainly because I've never been a fan of it and I prefer for vodka to be the only drink I waste calories on.

But I make up my dairy needs with lots 'o cheese! Yum!

SergeantSunshine_reused

I just want to say something, since everyone always gets so worked up whenever I express my opinion that cow's milk is meant for baby cows, and not as a necessary part of the human diet. I'm not trying to be contrary or stomp all over everyone's beloved milk. It took several years of relunctant open-mindedness and skepticism before I gradually came around to my current stance. Here in America, we are taught our entire lives, through school and the media, that dairy is very healthy and we should eat a ton of it. The facts are different. The dairy industry is powerful, and they have influence in the government. I encourage everyone to do their own research and decide for themselves.

That is all.

Not so much worked up - who doesn't like to debate right?
I'm reading as I study ^-^ If we didn't debate all these studies wouldn't be posted.

Ron has some awesome ones!

daffodilsoup

:laugh:

DownSheGoes

Cutting dairy out of my diet?

Best thing I've ever bloody done when it comes to my eating habits.

DownSheGoes

Double post.

maryd523

I just want to say something, since everyone always gets so worked up whenever I express my opinion that cow's milk is meant for baby cows, and not as a necessary part of the human diet. I'm not trying to be contrary or stomp all over everyone's beloved milk. It took several years of relunctant open-mindedness and skepticism before I gradually came around to my current stance. Here in America, we are taught our entire lives, through school and the media, that dairy is very healthy and we should eat a ton of it. The facts are different. The dairy industry is powerful, and they have influence in the government. I encourage everyone to do their own research and decide for themselves.

That is all.

Not so much worked up - who doesn't like to debate right?
I'm reading as I study ^-^ If we didn't debate all these studies wouldn't be posted.

Ron has some awesome ones!

I guess it's just me that gets worked up, then.

DannyMussels

Never take advice from someone who:

a) doesn't have a real profile pic

b) is in worse shape than you

SergeantSunshine_reused

Eh watching debates entertains me through finals week
Some get me worked up, can't deny it tho xD

Even though I study nutrition in school and am always reading up on articles as much as I can... milk hasn't came up yet xD SO it is more reading material for me later!

My opinion: If milk isn't doing you any harm and you enjoy it - drink up! If you experience problems then don't
It will not have a more positive effect on fat loss if you remain in the same calorie deficit in most cases.

Personally I like coconut milk best. SO creamy and yummy! Taste preference for me. If it was cheaper I would buy it more

Edit: Spelling - sounded dirty xD

kouzzzz

Personally I like coconut milk best. SO creaming and yummy! Taste preference for me. If it was cheaper I would buy it more

And more calcium than milk.

Shantel17

i wouldn't suggest cutting out dairy completely but i know i switched over to almond milk and i love it.

SergeantSunshine_reused

Personally I like coconut milk best. SO creaming and yummy! Taste preference for me. If it was cheaper I would buy it more

And more calcium than milk.

I didn't even know that xD I knew it had a good amount of potassium too :] I think skim milk still has about ~300mg too
Taste preference for me

Dave198lbs

Personally I like coconut milk best. SO creamy and yummy! Taste preference for me. If it was cheaper I would buy it more

550 calories pre cup...just sayin

kunibob

Personally I like coconut milk best. SO creamy and yummy! Taste preference for me. If it was cheaper I would buy it more

550 calories pre cup...just sayin

70 calories per cup for coconut-derived milk substitute, which I think (hope) the above poster was talking about. That's as opposed to actual coconut milk (the tasty-but-rich substance used in cooking).

kouzzzz

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550 calories pre cup...just sayin
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So Delicious has 50 calories per cup

Rewinds

Everyone reacts differently but a study showed that dairy digests a bit differently and the fat in dairy passes through the body compared to other fats.

It is part 3/4 of the BBC Documentary - How to be slim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSm1dWjMGeM&feature=related

Dave198lbs

550 calories pre cup...just sayin
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So Delicious has 50 calories per cup
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true...so delicious removes 4 of the 5 grams of protein and most of the carb calories

ninerbuff

I won't cut dairy.............................I usually get mine from Coldstone.


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SergeantSunshine_reused

550 calories pre cup...just sayin

So Delicious has 50 calories per cup

true...so delicious removes 4 of the 5 grams of protein and most of the carb calories

I drink so delicious in my protein shakes a lot

But use the high calorie stuff in my oatmeal and in other things ^-^ Easy way to get calories on those days i'm not hungry!
Or sometimes get the light organic kind.

SoOoOo much yumminess.
550 calories a cup yes - but half a cup some days isn't bad ^-^

kouzzzz

550 calories pre cup...just sayin

So Delicious has 50 calories per cup
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true...so delicious removes 4 of the 5 grams of protein and most of the carb calories
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Yes by adding water. I use it in my protein smoothies

kouzzzz

550 calories pre cup...just sayin

So Delicious has 50 calories per cup
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Yes by adding water. I use it in my protein smoothies

servilia

Give up my beloved cheese? Never! Horrors!!

daffodilsoup

Give up my beloved cheese? Never! Horrors!!

rhce40

i could never give up on dairy, i love it too much. but i drink (pretty much) only skim milk and have moved to low fat cheese if i am just eating it as a snack, unfortunately my cafeteria at school doesn't have low fat cheese on the deli bar. i also like to get as many of my vitamins through food as possible and need all the help i can get from calcium on bone health

songbyrdsweet

I just want to say something, since everyone always gets so worked up whenever I express my opinion that cow's milk is meant for baby cows, and not as a necessary part of the human diet. I'm not trying to be contrary or stomp all over everyone's beloved milk. It took several years of relunctant open-mindedness and skepticism before I gradually came around to my current stance. Here in America, we are taught our entire lives, through school and the media, that dairy is very healthy and we should eat a ton of it. The facts are different. The dairy industry is powerful, and they have influence in the government. I encourage everyone to do their own research and decide for themselves.

That is all.

I get worked up when I see outrageously false things, like cow's milk being filled with blood and pus. Then your powers of comprehension and critical thinking are brought into question and your whole argument looks ludicrous.

tidmutt

Here's a link to some information about dairy from the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine.
http://www.pcrm.org/search/?cid=252

^^ PETArds with an agenda^^^
Less than 5 percent of PCRM’s members are physicians, and Barnard is not a nutritionist (he's a psychiatrist).

And another here:
http://www.thechinastudy.com/la-timesarticle.html

Ugh.

"In sum, “The China Study” is a compelling collection of carefully chosen data. Unfortunately for both health seekers and the scientific community, Campbell appears to exclude relevant information when it indicts plant foods as causative of disease, or when it shows potential benefits for animal products."
For a complete evisceration of that steaming pile, read this:
http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/

+1 to this. The poster totally lost me when she referenced the China Study. It's been pulled apart and ripped to shreds so many times... Correlation != Causation it's almost a cliche.

abc442486

Just as an fyi....

I am severly allergic to any and all dairy products my whole life. I am still here working on losing weight.

I think a calorie is a calorie and that you shouldn't be depriving yourself of an entire food group needlessly. If you eat under your TDEE you will lose weight, wether it is from dairy free food or not.