Diet Soda??? Your thoughts?
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Do you know what else contains chloride (an ion of chlorine)? Common table salt. Common table salt (Sodium Chloride) is made from chloride (an ion of Chlorine, which in gaseous form is extremely toxic and was one of the first poison gasses used in World War 1) and Sodium (a metal that reacts vigorously in water; i.e. explodes).
Every single thing you eat is made of chemicals. There are only 118 known elements on the periodic table of elements. Every living thing and every inanimate object on the planet is made up of a mixture of these elements. You can't avoid "harmful" chemicals (unless you seal yourself in a vacuum and don't eat, drink or breathe). Water is comprised of hydrogen and oxygen (2 flammable gasses). Does that mean we should avoid drinking water?
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See, now you're getting a little ridiculous. Of course everything is made up of all the elements - any 6th grader can tell you that. Arsenic and Mercury are also on the table of elements, but I don't see people reccomending you drink THEM by the liter.
People need to educate themselves on what is being put into our bodies, that's all I'm saying. Smokers have been ignoring the health warnings associated with smoking for decades, some vegetarians stopped eating meat because they didn't want to consume the hormones and whatnot that ends up in our meat supply, and the Organic movement is stronger than ever because people don't want pesticides and other chemicals on the food they eat. If you do the research and say "meh - I'm cool with that" then do whatever you want.0 -
Do you know what else contains chloride (an ion of chlorine)? Common table salt. Common table salt (Sodium Chloride) is made from chloride (an ion of Chlorine, which in gaseous form is extremely toxic and was one of the first poison gasses used in World War 1) and Sodium (a metal that reacts vigorously in water; i.e. explodes).From a weight-loss perspective, switching to diet soda is good if you're used to drinking a lot of the regular stuff... But from a health perspective, you should wean yourself off of the stuff altogether.
The sodas made with Splenda are a crock... "Splenda tastes like sugar because it's made from sugar"... sure, but what they don't tell you is that they strip the calories away by bathing the sugar in CHLORINE. Do you really want that in your body?
And I don't know about asparthame turning into methanol like one poster said, but there is a lot of reserach out there about how it breaks down into its parts in our bodies... and one of those parts is FORMALDEYHDE. Yep - the stinky stuff they use to keep dead bodies hydrated for disection. The debate is over how much of the formaldeyhde is absorbed by our bodies.
Personally, I've avoided diet sodas since I was 12 and discovered they were the reason for my stomach problems and headaches.
If you really don't want to give up sodas, pull a bait-and-switch. Make your own "soda" by mixing club soda or sparkling water with a little lemon juice and/or lime juice and sugar to make a 7-up sort of drink and over time decrease the amount of sugar you use. You can do the same thing with other drinks like iced tea, chocolate milk, kool-aid, etc. After a while you won't even notice the lack of sweetness.
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Formaldehyde is a natural ingredient in many fruits, vegetables, meats, and mushrooms. It is processed by your body just like it would be from natural sources. As mentioned earlier, methanol is produced by the body naturally, it's not harmful.
As for the chlorine argument, you know what else has chlorine? Salt. Splenda is sucralose which is just like sucrose except for three of the hydroxyl groups are replaced by chloride. Yes, I do want chloride in my body because it is necessary for most biochemical reactions.
Referring to chemicals such as formaldehyde and chlorine out of context is fear-mongering ignorance. Chemicals have many uses beyond the ones typically associated with them such as corpse preservation or pool cleanliness.
Personally I prefer to err on the side of safety. Anyway, as a previous poster said, I don't drink soda when I'm eating clean (not because of trying to lose weight), but I'll have a regular one every now and then on my cheat day.
Every single thing you eat is made of chemicals. There are only 118 known elements on the periodic table of elements. Every living thing and every inanimate object on the planet is made up of a mixture of these elements. You can't avoid "harmful" chemicals (unless you seal yourself in a vacuum and don't eat, drink or breathe). Water is comprised of hydrogen and oxygen (2 flammable gasses). Does that mean we should avoid drinking water?
First of all I don't use common table salt in my cooking, even though I'm sure it's in other packaged goods I buy now and then. Second of all, just because chemicals is in everything we eat doesn't mean I shouldn't avoid the ones I can. I don't NEED diet soda to survive, but I do NEED water.0 -
I drink more than one diet pepsi a day and I've lost 70 lbs. You can lose weight drinking diet pop. It's not going to hold you back to any extreme, because if you're determined to lose weight - you will.0
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These 43 lbs that have melted away say that Diet sodas have not affected me at all. I work at a fast food place and our water tastes like a monkey's *kitten*, so if I forget my water or diet green tea, I drink Coke Zero or Diet Dr Pepper or Diet Coke. I aways have some diet drink at home. I'm pretty partial to Diet Root Beer, Diet MT Dew and Diet Pepsi with cherry. I have lost my pounds just fine, every time I go to the dentist, I get a clean bill of health. I'm almost or might be the same weight I was for my senior year (class of '07 baby) I drink about 3 cans of of diet a day. I also drink my water too, but if I don't get in my 8 glasses a day, I don't freak out. My coffee is made with water and the unsweetened tea I have with my artificial sweetener is made from water too. It's to each their own really.0
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I'm not being ridiculous. It is a valid point.Do you know what else contains chloride (an ion of chlorine)? Common table salt. Common table salt (Sodium Chloride) is made from chloride (an ion of Chlorine, which in gaseous form is extremely toxic and was one of the first poison gasses used in World War 1) and Sodium (a metal that reacts vigorously in water; i.e. explodes).
Every single thing you eat is made of chemicals. There are only 118 known elements on the periodic table of elements. Every living thing and every inanimate object on the planet is made up of a mixture of these elements. You can't avoid "harmful" chemicals (unless you seal yourself in a vacuum and don't eat, drink or breathe). Water is comprised of hydrogen and oxygen (2 flammable gasses). Does that mean we should avoid drinking water?
See, now you're getting a little ridiculous. Of course everything is made up of all the elements - any 6th grader can tell you that. Arsenic and Mercury are also on the table of elements, but I don't see people reccomending you drink THEM by the liter.
People need to educate themselves on what is being put into our bodies, that's all I'm saying. Smokers have been ignoring the health warnings associated with smoking for decades, some vegetarians stopped eating meat because they didn't want to consume the hormones and whatnot that ends up in our meat supply, and the Organic movement is stronger than ever because people don't want pesticides and other chemicals on the food they eat. If you do the research and say "meh - I'm cool with that" then do whatever you want.
Check the chemical composition of anything (including organic vegetables) and you will see that you are consuming harmful chemicals.
Raw apples (including organically grown apples) contain: Sodium, Magnesium, Copper, Zinc, Phosphorus, Chloride, and Iodine.
http://www.food-allergens.de/symposium-vol1(3)/data/apple/apple-composition.htm0 -
I'm not being ridiculous. It is a valid point.Do you know what else contains chloride (an ion of chlorine)? Common table salt. Common table salt (Sodium Chloride) is made from chloride (an ion of Chlorine, which in gaseous form is extremely toxic and was one of the first poison gasses used in World War 1) and Sodium (a metal that reacts vigorously in water; i.e. explodes).
Every single thing you eat is made of chemicals. There are only 118 known elements on the periodic table of elements. Every living thing and every inanimate object on the planet is made up of a mixture of these elements. You can't avoid "harmful" chemicals (unless you seal yourself in a vacuum and don't eat, drink or breathe). Water is comprised of hydrogen and oxygen (2 flammable gasses). Does that mean we should avoid drinking water?
See, now you're getting a little ridiculous. Of course everything is made up of all the elements - any 6th grader can tell you that. Arsenic and Mercury are also on the table of elements, but I don't see people reccomending you drink THEM by the liter.
People need to educate themselves on what is being put into our bodies, that's all I'm saying. Smokers have been ignoring the health warnings associated with smoking for decades, some vegetarians stopped eating meat because they didn't want to consume the hormones and whatnot that ends up in our meat supply, and the Organic movement is stronger than ever because people don't want pesticides and other chemicals on the food they eat. If you do the research and say "meh - I'm cool with that" then do whatever you want.
Check the chemical composition of anything (including organic vegetables) and you will see that you are consuming harmful chemicals.
Raw apples (including organically grown apples) contain: Sodium, Magnesium, Copper, Zinc, Phosphorus, Chloride, and Iodine.
http://www.food-allergens.de/symposium-vol1(3)/data/apple/apple-composition.htm
What exactly makes them harmful? Especially in small doses, from natural sources, that is not the same as diet soda which is the furthest thing from natural and all of those things I am sure do something for the body, like magnesium to quote "Magnesium plays an important role in at least 300 fundamental enzymatic reactions and for that reason is of vital importance in our health."
Sodium also not bad for you, extra chloride leaves the body in urine so yes your argument is just silly.
There is nothing unhealthy about eating fruits and vegetables, so yes it is ridiculous and it is not the same as drinking soda or other unnatural sources of these chemicals.0 -
You and I are definitely on the same page, Christibear...
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You are still missing the point that I am making. To claim that Diet Soda or even regular Soda is harmful because it contains chemicals is what is silly. No matter whether something is organically grown or a processed food, it is going to contain chemicals. There is no avoiding them.I'm not being ridiculous. It is a valid point.
Check the chemical composition of anything (including organic vegetables) and you will see that you are consuming harmful chemicals.
Raw apples (including organically grown apples) contain: Sodium, Magnesium, Copper, Zinc, Phosphorus, Chloride, and Iodine.
http://www.food-allergens.de/symposium-vol1(3)/data/apple/apple-composition.htm
What exactly makes them harmful? Especially in small doses, from natural sources, that is not the same as diet soda which is the furthest thing from natural and all of those things I am sure do something for the body, like magnesium to quote "Magnesium plays an important role in at least 300 fundamental enzymatic reactions and for that reason is of vital importance in our health."
Sodium also not bad for you, extra chloride leaves the body in urine so yes your argument is just silly.
There is nothing unhealthy about eating fruits and vegetables, so yes it is ridiculous and it is not the same as drinking soda or other unnatural sources of these chemicals.
The claim that the artificial sweeteners used in diet drinks are harmful has been going on for at least 30 years (I remember hearing these claims being made when I was a child).
You claim that sodium isn't bad for us, well that is incorrect. Excessive sodium has a correlation with high blood pressure.0 -
Thomas is not trying to claim that soda is healthy because it contains the similar chemicals as fruits. He is simply stating that you cannot say soda is bad because it contains these chemicals.
No one is making the claim that soda carries the same health benefits as fruit. Fruit was only used as an example to show that these "harmful chemicals" in soda such as formaldehyde and chlorine also exist in natural foods.0 -
I am not missing your point I replied to your point, chemicals are in everything yes, but some sources of chemicals are better than others. And having chemicals is something does not make it unhealthy because chemicals are necessary to our bodies natural functions, they are not only necessary but good for us.
And many things that are good for us can be dangerous if you receive to much, that does not make them unhealthy, it means your not supposed to get to much. Sodium is not bad for us, you provided a very specific example of getting to much which but that does not make it unhealthy, getting to much of it is unhealthy there is a difference, a BIG difference.
Another point you made was "Check the chemical composition of anything (including organic vegetables) and you will see that you are consuming harmful chemicals" when in fact those chemicals not harmful.0 -
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Why should we leave your post alone when it may contain incorrect or misleading information? It's a public forum and we are allowed to rebut your information. Everything that ninerbuff said is accurate.
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Everyone has there own opinion and beliefs ...this site is here for us to have support and help and you being rude doesn't help anyone. What i posted is what i believe so please stop being rude and think about others feelings.0 -
Diet soda makes me feel funny...so I don't drink it. But if you can drink it in moderation and still lose weight, that's fine I guess.0
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Why should we leave your post alone when it may contain incorrect or misleading information? It's a public forum and we are allowed to rebut your information. Everything that ninerbuff said is accurate.
Everyone has there own opinion and beliefs ...this site is here for us to have support and help and you being rude doesn't help anyone. What i posted is what i believe so please stop being rude and think about others feelings.
Yes, everyone does have their own opinions. Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are being rude. You are also correct that this site is here for support. Supporting means offering the best information and advice as possible. Your argument had flaws that were pointed out for the benefit of others forming their own opinions. Don't take it personally.0 -
Why should we leave your post alone when it may contain incorrect or misleading information? It's a public forum and we are allowed to rebut your information. Everything that ninerbuff said is accurate.
Everyone has there own opinion and beliefs ...this site is here for us to have support and help and you being rude doesn't help anyone. What i posted is what i believe so please stop being rude and think about others feelings.
Yes, everyone does have their own opinions. Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they are being rude. You are also correct that this site is here for support. Supporting means offering the best information and advice as possible. Your argument had flaws that were pointed out for the benefit of others forming their own opinions. Don't take it personally.
Excuse me but you are being rude. And by the way i got that information from a website so stop being rude and your really upsetting me please just stop0 -
Don't post on a public forum if you don't want refutation of mis information.
Keep drinking it and leave my post alone
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Cant live w/o it here. I try to limit to one or two a day but coffee is my real weakness.0
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The example I gave was for an apple.I am not missing your point I replied to your point, chemicals are in everything yes, but some sources of chemicals are better than others. And having chemicals is something does not make it unhealthy because chemicals are necessary to our bodies natural functions, they and not only necessary but good for us.
And many things that are good for us can be dangerous if you receive to much, that does not make them unhealthy, it means your not supposed to get to much.
Another point you made was "Check the chemical composition of anything (including organic vegetables) and you will see that you are consuming harmful chemicals" when in fact those chemicals not harmful.
So according to what you have said it is safe to eat phosphorous?
If you aren't aware of it, phosphorous (like sodium) is also a reactive compound that self ignites when exposed to moisture.0 -
Don't post on a public forum if you don't want refutation of mis information.
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Excuse me but you are being rude. And by the way i got that information from a website so stop being rude and your really upsetting me please just stop
I'm sorry that people disagreeing with you is so upsetting, but that's what happens in a public forum. Anything discussed is up for debate. That's how discussion works.
Also, not everything on the internet is completely accurate. Websites are not peer-reviewed sources of information.0 -
I have stopped drinking soda for good about 10 years ago. I used to drink about a can of diet Pepsi 4-5 days a week. It was my treat and I liked it! I have never experienced negative affects of it...But, I stopped drinking it after I came across the study showing some pretty nasty effects of artificial sweeteners used in these drinks...It's terrible for your kidneys..and some studies show it could impact your weight loss efforts:
http://www.fitday.com/fitness-articles/nutrition/healthy-eating/4-health-side-effects-of-diet-soda.html0 -
The example I gave was for an apple.I am not missing your point I replied to your point, chemicals are in everything yes, but some sources of chemicals are better than others. And having chemicals is something does not make it unhealthy because chemicals are necessary to our bodies natural functions, they and not only necessary but good for us.
And many things that are good for us can be dangerous if you receive to much, that does not make them unhealthy, it means your not supposed to get to much.
Another point you made was "Check the chemical composition of anything (including organic vegetables) and you will see that you are consuming harmful chemicals" when in fact those chemicals not harmful.
So according to what you have said it is safe to eat phosphorous?
If you aren't aware of it, phosphorous (like sodium) is also a reactive compound that self ignites when exposed to moisture.
Yes I am because phosphorus is found in the body, and actually "Phosphorus is the body’s next most abundant mineral after calcium."
http://www1.davita.com/diet-and-nutrition/diet-basics/phosphorus-and-chronic-kidney-disease/a/478
and extra amounts are excreted, so yes, phosphorus, sodium, magnesium and a whole bunch of others are essential to the human body. Apples and other fruits and vegetables are not harmful and you have yet to provide any proof that they are. Just because it is a chemical does not make it bad for us.0 -
Subjective. If it helps to keep peoples sweet cravings at bay, then it's "good" for them. If it makes them happy to enjoy it, it's better for them. People just can't make the assumption that because it's not "natural" that it is a detriment to the body. While there's really no nutritional value, it's not the poison that some make it out to be.This just seems like a reason to not try to eat better. Okay say everything is chemicals, there are better places to get your "chemicals" than others.
If you want to drink soda, diet or other wise fine, do it, but that does not mean its good for you.
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Thank you! I rest my case.
The example I gave was for an apple.I am not missing your point I replied to your point, chemicals are in everything yes, but some sources of chemicals are better than others. And having chemicals is something does not make it unhealthy because chemicals are necessary to our bodies natural functions, they and not only necessary but good for us.
And many things that are good for us can be dangerous if you receive to much, that does not make them unhealthy, it means your not supposed to get to much.
Another point you made was "Check the chemical composition of anything (including organic vegetables) and you will see that you are consuming harmful chemicals" when in fact those chemicals not harmful.
So according to what you have said it is safe to eat phosphorous?
If you aren't aware of it, phosphorous (like sodium) is also a reactive compound that self ignites when exposed to moisture.
Yes I am because phosphorus is found in the body, and actually "Phosphorus is the body’s next most abundant mineral after calcium."
http://www1.davita.com/diet-and-nutrition/diet-basics/phosphorus-and-chronic-kidney-disease/a/478
and extra amounts are excreted, so yes, phosphorus, sodium, magnesium and a whole bunch of others are essential to the human body. Apples and other fruits and vegetables are not harmful and you have yet to provide any proof that they are. Just because it is a chemical does not make it bad for us.
By your own words you have said exactly what I have been saying all along. 0 -
Excuse me but you are being rude. And by the way i got that information from a website so stop being rude and your really upsetting me please just stop
I'm sorry that people disagreeing with you is so upsetting, but that's what happens in a public forum. Anything discussed is up for debate. That's how discussion works.
Also, not everything on the internet is completely accurate. Websites are not peer-reviewed sources of information.
Stop assuming things about me, it's not that your not agreeing with me. I dont mind that people will disagree and i respect the fact you dont believe what i posted... i just dont like to be treated rudely in the process. And i do know that not everything on the internet is true im not stupid. Can we just stop talking to each other we are bad for each others health0 -
I just recently ended my 3-4 can a day habit of Diet Coke. I noticed that I was using Diet Coke to replace my water intake. Since I wasn't drinking enough water, I was constantly hungry and it led to overeating. Since I've switched to water, I find myself feeling fuller longer and I am well hydrated. I still enjoy an occasional diet soda with a meal.. just not 3 LOL0
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Correlation not causation.Hi,
Here is something I just read and I will quote here, It might help you decide. Personally I am frightened by artificial sweeteners. My sister in law had a brain tumor removed and still has seizures. She cannot drive because of the seizures.
Here is the quote I recently read.
"Two, the number of diet sodas per day to potentially increase your waistline six times more than if you weren't drinking any at all." University of Texas Health Science Center
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But there is a difference between natural sources and unnatural sources. And it is not things like sodium o, its the food colors, the artificial sweeteners, things that could possibly cause cancer. Like I have said a few times, soda has no positive nutritional value and possibly many harmful affects, while I love soda, I know that by avoiding it I am making a healthy decision, and there is a big difference between justing eating less and eating cleaner.0
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Research from Peer Reviewed Clinical studies (Mayo clinic, American Cancer society to name a couple) have shown that some of the "correlation" evidence spouted by many a "natural" organization is flawed and incorrect.See, now you're getting a little ridiculous. Of course everything is made up of all the elements - any 6th grader can tell you that. Arsenic and Mercury are also on the table of elements, but I don't see people reccomending you drink THEM by the liter.
People need to educate themselves on what is being put into our bodies, that's all I'm saying. Smokers have been ignoring the health warnings associated with smoking for decades, some vegetarians stopped eating meat because they didn't want to consume the hormones and whatnot that ends up in our meat supply, and the Organic movement is stronger than ever because people don't want pesticides and other chemicals on the food they eat. If you do the research and say "meh - I'm cool with that" then do whatever you want.
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Where are they being rude? Have you been personally attacked? No. Have you been mocked or humiliated? No. Sounds like you just don't like someone disagreeing with your opinion. If you have actual peer reviewed clinical studies (not articles, blogs or anecdotal evidence)to support your stance then post it.Everyone has there own opinion and beliefs ...this site is here for us to have support and help and you being rude doesn't help anyone. What i posted is what i believe so please stop being rude and think about others feelings.
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