Can stopping drinking diet soda help me lose weight? Why?
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How do you define "unnatural?" Because all the ingredients in diet soda are created from "natural" things. Potassium is natural, sodium is natural, carbonated water is natural, aspartic acid is natural (your body makes it constantly,) and phenylalanine is also natural (your body makes that, also.) So what exactly is so unnatural about it? That it's mixed together?0
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I only know, diet soda/soda makes me feel thristy.. and in part hungry. Perhaps the diet soda it'self isn't making you fat or lose weight, but eating and drinking more because of it.... imo0
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Protein powders aren't natural............neither are man made vitamins.because soda or diet soda is still just plain bad for you!!! there is nothing nutritional in soda. Diet soda still has artificial sugars and other potentially harmful chemicals for your body. Drink water and tea!
This...anything unnatural isn't good.
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First of all, I don't really need to prove anything to anyone here, at the end most in this website don't have a clue about what's good or bad for you whether is in terms of losing weight or health in general. There are those who apparently might have knowledge about fitness and nutrition and yet they surprise me with the things they say to others here. If any of you decide to drink whatever you want to drink, it is your own life, your own problem, your own body but if asked for opinion, they will get it whether they agree with it or not.
To anyone who tells me that products like soda, or in this case diet soda, which are far from being NATURAL, are good and healthy, it kind of makes me not even bother with an answer. It is not my fault people can't really make good use of the internet to do a real research and not just read any article that pops up on Google search.
With that said, if any of you want to know if the following is true or not, I suggest you to look it up on your own, I'm not going to do it for you. There are plenty of books, magazines and internet articles that talk about this. Just be aware that the same way companies who want to affect the business of corporations like Coca Cola, this corporations have their own "doctors" and "scientists" to prove wrong this researchers.
Soda, whether diet or regular contains among other ingredients.
PHOSPHORIC ACID (H3PO4) which can be used for different things such as rust removal. Of course, the grade used in food is different, but it is still the same chemical. Phosphoric Acid is linked to affect and lower bone density. Studies done including the use of X-ray showed that in both women and men the bone density diminished (low bone density is a symptom of Osteoporosis). Also, Phosphoric Acid binds to calcium and other minerals in the digestive tract can form salts that are not absorbed by the body. Other studies state that Phosphoric Acid is also associated with kidney stones.
Inhalation effects - Bronchiolar fibrosis of the respiratory tract in rats. Also, rats that were exposed to 150-160 mg/m3 elemental phosphorus for 30 minutes/day for 60 days were examined for toxic effects (Inuzuka, 1956). Limb bone abnormalities were noted and effects included delayed ossification, widening of the epiphysis, and abnormal axial development.
POTASSIUM BENZOATE (E212) AND SODIUM BENZOATE (NaC6H5CO2) both used as preservative and antibacterial. When both are combined with ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) they form BENZENE (C6H6) a natural constituent of crude oil, colorless and highly flammable liquid with a sweet smell. It is mainly used as a precursor to heavy chemicals. Benzene causes cancer and other illnesses. Benzene is a "notorious cause" of bone marrow failure. "Vast quantities of epidemiologic, clinical, and laboratory data" link benzene to aplastic anemia, acute leukemia, and bone marrow abnormalities.
CALCIUM DISODIUM EDTA
Used to avoid the formation of BENZENE. Calcium Disodium EDTA is used in chelation therapy*. Side effects of chelation therapy include malabsorption or low levels of various vitamins, including vitamin C and the various B vitamins. Other side effects include allergic reactions; dangerously low blood sugar, blood pressure, or blood calcium levels; kidney failure and seizures. According to the FDA, 11 patients died from calcium disodium EDTA use between 1971 and 2007.
*Chelation therapy is the administration of chelating agents to remove heavy metals from the body for the most common forms of heavy metal intoxication involving lead, arsenic or mercury
ARTIFICIAL COLORING. Artificial says a lot about how "AWESOME" it is for our bodies, but in any case caramel coloring which is added to soda drinks to give them that dark brown color is not itself a carcinogen but it is often made using ammonia. According to a 2010 study from the Center for Science in the Public Interest, caramel coloring made with ammonia causes cancer in rats and mice. True humans are not rats or mice related, but personally I wouldn't want that in my body.
ninerbuff, weight is not the only issue when it comes about food. So much for the nutrition studies.
andrejjorje, although I said it at the beginning of my reply I have nothing to prove to anyone, let me explain something which is a simple rule, natural doesn't always mean healthy. Crude oil is natural, and you wouldn't eat it because is going to kill you, but it just takes a little bit of sense to analyze that not only corporations like Coca Cola, Pepsi among others will look for ways to make their products sound "safe", but when I start seeing chemistry experiments just to make something drinkable, it makes me question why would I want to put something like that in my body, and make my liver work hard to avoid all those toxins spread thru my body.
If anyone base their trust in the FDA approval of safety, not too long ago I watched a documentary about how FDA requires two successful tests in order to approve a medication, even if 98 tests weren't successful. If this is true or not, I don't know, but knowing how this government works when it comes about the influence lobbyists have on it and its agencies, I honestly don't trust them at all, but that's just me.0 -
Protein powders aren't natural............neither are man made vitamins.because soda or diet soda is still just plain bad for you!!! there is nothing nutritional in soda. Diet soda still has artificial sugars and other potentially harmful chemicals for your body. Drink water and tea!
This...anything unnatural isn't good.
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Dude, are you really going this way? Are you going to compare a damn diet soda with protein powder or vitamins?0 -
Calling out the statement. If ANYTHING "unnatural" is bad for you, then you can't pick and choose the "unnatural" products that happen to be good for health. It was a blanket statement that was challenged and debunked.Dude, are you really going this way? Are you going to compare a damn diet soda with protein powder or vitamins?
And here's the comparison between diet soda and protein powders and vitamins.........you can have all of them in your diet, lose weight effectively, and still have good health. People that say that diet soda is poison, bad for you, etc. need to come up with actual peer reviewed clinical studies to prove it or they are just yapping misinformation.
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Calling out the statement. If ANYTHING "unnatural" is bad for you, then you can't pick and choose the "unnatural" products that happen to be good for health. It was a blanket statement that was challenged and debunked.Dude, are you really going this way? Are you going to compare a damn diet soda with protein powder or vitamins?
And here's the comparison between diet soda and protein powders and vitamins.........you can have all of them in your diet, lose weight effectively, and still have good health. People that say that diet soda is poison, bad for you, etc. need to come up with actual peer reviewed clinical studies to prove it or they are just yapping misinformation.
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Read my other post above the one you just reply. And once again I say, for you to be someone who's into fitness for so long and claim to have study nutrition, the way you talk about diet soda doesn't really tell me you know much about what's good or bad for a person. Sorry, just my own personal opinion and not trying to attack you or anything like that.0 -
That's why anecdotal evidence isn't accepted as evidence. :laugh: Tell you what, when the Mayo Clinic, The Cancer Institute and other Journals of Medicine emphatically agree with the "articles, blogs, and opinions" of others that haven't done actual clinical studies themselves, then I'll change my stance. Till then, I'll believe that drinking diet soda isn't any more harmful than having a McDonald's cheeseburger occasionally.First of all, I don't really need to prove anything to anyone here
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I'll believe that drinking diet soda isn't any more harmful than having a McDonald's cheeseburger occasionally.
:bigsmile: I rest my case!0 -
Lol, really? Kinda sounds like an attack when you say that I don't know much about what's good or bad. Like many "health police" followers, you're brainwashed into thinking that anything that is processed or man made is obviously not fit for consumption.Read my other post above the one you just reply. And once again I say, for you to be someone who's into fitness for so long and claim to have study nutrition, the way you talk about diet soda doesn't really tell me you know much about what's good or bad for a person. Sorry, just my own personal opinion and not trying to attack you or anything like that.
Like I stated above, I've done my research. I cater to Journals of Medicine and not blogs, or googling internet information that sounds good.
I'm not saying that diet soda is HEALTHY. I'm saying that diet soda isn't as bad as some here try to make it out to be. And the medical journals that have done the studies are where I take this information from.
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Ooh boy and now cheeseburgers are evil........................lol. Tell that to people like Michael Phelps or Dara Torres.(Yes they eat a lot of junk food). Have fun eating foods that are only healthy. I get to eat junk (occasionally) and still be healthy. Yep my yearly physicals prove it. Your case was appealed and disproved by science.:laugh:I'll believe that drinking diet soda isn't any more harmful than having a McDonald's cheeseburger occasionally.
:bigsmile: I rest my case!
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Ooh boy and now cheeseburgers are evil........................lol. Tell that to people like Michael Phelps or Dara Torres.(Yes they eat a lot of junk food). Have fun eating foods that are only healthy. I get to eat junk (occasionally) and still be healthy. Yep my yearly physicals prove it. Your case was appealed and disproved by science.:laugh:I'll believe that drinking diet soda isn't any more harmful than having a McDonald's cheeseburger occasionally.
:bigsmile: I rest my case!
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I was a heavy diet soda drinker. On a personal level, I just decided to replace it with water. Not for any scientic reasons just because it seemed a better option. Now dont get me wrong. I start my day with usually a diet cherry 7up and then switch to water. And once I get my water in for the day, I have another soda at night, usually with a nightime snack like popcorn. I'm still losing weight. I doubt I will ever totally give up diet soda. I'm not an expert by any means so I do what feels good for me as I long as I am still losing.0
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Ooh boy and now cheeseburgers are evil........................lol. Tell that to people like Michael Phelps or Dara Torres.(Yes they eat a lot of junk food). Have fun eating foods that are only healthy. I get to eat junk (occasionally) and still be healthy. Yep my yearly physicals prove it. Your case was appealed and disproved by science.:laugh:
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Ooh boy and now cheeseburgers are evil........................lol. Tell that to people like Michael Phelps or Dara Torres.(Yes they eat a lot of junk food). Have fun eating foods that are only healthy. I get to eat junk (occasionally) and still be healthy. Yep my yearly physicals prove it. Your case was appealed and disproved by science.:laugh:I'll believe that drinking diet soda isn't any more harmful than having a McDonald's cheeseburger occasionally.
:bigsmile: I rest my case!
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I'm entirely a vegetarian, but even prior to that and even if I wasn't, McDonalds is a lot worse than any diet soda.. McDonalds even started posting signs with warning saying their food increases risks of cancer. Some states require they let people know. I think they are one of the worst companies for food, but then again people don't want to know. Just like people don't realize some of our meat is cloned since the FDA released statements and said it was legal as of like 2008 in the U.S. I definitely eat junk food though so I'm not saying to stop, just to be careful if someone wants to truly be healthy because you'd be surprised what is in our food in recent years. I will even sit down to a whole pizza sometimes if I feel like it, but then again that is just me. I plan to enjoy my life and still lose the weight I want. It works for me. :]0 -
"In the first study, researchers collected height, weight, waist circumference and diet soda intake data from 474 elderly people who participated in the San Antonio Longitudinal Study of Aging. They were followed up an average of 9.5 years later, according to the research.Researchers found that the diet soda drinkers had waist circumference increases of 70 percent greater than those who non-diet soda drinkers"
Many things contribute to an increase in waist circumstances. This study would be a difficult one indeed. To make it more reliable they would have had to reduce as much variables for example daily activity and daily food intake. I'm not sure I trust this article or the study performed.0 -
I lost weight by switching from regular soda to diet soda. I think the main concern is that you'll crave the sugar and make up for it by eating other sugary foods - if you don't do that, you should be fine. Technically, a calorie-free food can't make you gain weight. However, the sodium can make you retain water and the artificial sweeteners are bad for your liver. So the more you can cut down on it, the better.0
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Yep. Let me guess.......................Shakeology should be what I drink.Sureeeeeeeeeee :bigsmile:
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Yep. Let me guess.......................Shakeology should be what I drink.Sureeeeeeeeeee :bigsmile:
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Personally I'll have Shakeology 100 times over your cheeseburgers and diet soda, thank you very much lol0 -
Of course. You're a former BB coach.........most here know how that goes.:laugh: Thanks for playing though.Personally I'll have Shakeology 100 over your cheeseburgers and diet soda, thank you very much lol
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The only time diet soda stops people from losing weight is when they think "Oh, well, I'm drinking DIET soda so I can eat whatever else I want now."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x46bKxbkxrA 0 -
I lost weight by switching from regular soda to diet soda. I think the main concern is that you'll crave the sugar and make up for it by eating other sugary foods - if you don't do that, you should be fine. Technically, a calorie-free food can't make you gain weight. However, the sodium can make you retain water and the artificial sweeteners are bad for your liver. So the more you can cut down on it, the better.
There's usually more sodium in average drinking water than there is in soda. Also, the artificial sweetener in soda is broken down into its constituent parts, aspartic acid, and phenylalanine, both amino acids that the body makes and uses on a daily basis, it's not hard on the liver at all.0 -
This has probably already been mentioned, sorry if I missed it.
But many diet drinks contain aspartame which has been linked with making people feel more hungry, as well as a whole other host of undesirable health effects. Here it is banned in all children's products.
I used to use artificial sweeteners in my hot drinks a few years back and really felt this 'hunger' which I never linked to the sweeteners I was using until much later on. I cut it out, replaced it with Stevia and the 'hunger' seemed to ease off. Whether this was psychological or not I don't know but Stevia is natural from plants so is much better for you
I personally stay clear of anything containing Aspartame, but I guess drinking diet is better than the full fat stuff if you really have to, better for your teeth too.0 -
First of all, I don't really need to prove anything to anyone here, at the end most in this website don't have a clue about what's good or bad for you whether is in terms of losing weight or health in general. There are those who apparently might have knowledge about fitness and nutrition and yet they surprise me with the things they say to others here. If any of you decide to drink whatever you want to drink, it is your own life, your own problem, your own body but if asked for opinion, they will get it whether they agree with it or not.
To anyone who tells me that products like soda, or in this case diet soda, which are far from being NATURAL, are good and healthy, it kind of makes me not even bother with an answer. It is not my fault people can't really make good use of the internet to do a real research and not just read any article that pops up on Google search.
With that said, if any of you want to know if the following is true or not, I suggest you to look it up on your own, I'm not going to do it for you. There are plenty of books, magazines and internet articles that talk about this. Just be aware that the same way companies who want to affect the business of corporations like Coca Cola, this corporations have their own "doctors" and "scientists" to prove wrong this researchers.
Soda, whether diet or regular contains among other ingredients.
PHOSPHORIC ACID (H3PO4) which can be used for different things such as rust removal. Of course, the grade used in food is different, but it is still the same chemical. Phosphoric Acid is linked to affect and lower bone density. Studies done including the use of X-ray showed that in both women and men the bone density diminished (low bone density is a symptom of Osteoporosis). Also, Phosphoric Acid binds to calcium and other minerals in the digestive tract can form salts that are not absorbed by the body. Other studies state that Phosphoric Acid is also associated with kidney stones.
Inhalation effects - Bronchiolar fibrosis of the respiratory tract in rats. Also, rats that were exposed to 150-160 mg/m3 elemental phosphorus for 30 minutes/day for 60 days were examined for toxic effects (Inuzuka, 1956). Limb bone abnormalities were noted and effects included delayed ossification, widening of the epiphysis, and abnormal axial development.
POTASSIUM BENZOATE (E212) AND SODIUM BENZOATE (NaC6H5CO2) both used as preservative and antibacterial. When both are combined with ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) they form BENZENE (C6H6) a natural constituent of crude oil, colorless and highly flammable liquid with a sweet smell. It is mainly used as a precursor to heavy chemicals. Benzene causes cancer and other illnesses. Benzene is a "notorious cause" of bone marrow failure. "Vast quantities of epidemiologic, clinical, and laboratory data" link benzene to aplastic anemia, acute leukemia, and bone marrow abnormalities.
CALCIUM DISODIUM EDTA
Used to avoid the formation of BENZENE. Calcium Disodium EDTA is used in chelation therapy*. Side effects of chelation therapy include malabsorption or low levels of various vitamins, including vitamin C and the various B vitamins. Other side effects include allergic reactions; dangerously low blood sugar, blood pressure, or blood calcium levels; kidney failure and seizures. According to the FDA, 11 patients died from calcium disodium EDTA use between 1971 and 2007.
*Chelation therapy is the administration of chelating agents to remove heavy metals from the body for the most common forms of heavy metal intoxication involving lead, arsenic or mercury
ARTIFICIAL COLORING. Artificial says a lot about how "AWESOME" it is for our bodies, but in any case caramel coloring which is added to soda drinks to give them that dark brown color is not itself a carcinogen but it is often made using ammonia. According to a 2010 study from the Center for Science in the Public Interest, caramel coloring made with ammonia causes cancer in rats and mice. True humans are not rats or mice related, but personally I wouldn't want that in my body.
ninerbuff, weight is not the only issue when it comes about food. So much for the nutrition studies.
andrejjorje, although I said it at the beginning of my reply I have nothing to prove to anyone, let me explain something which is a simple rule, natural doesn't always mean healthy. Crude oil is natural, and you wouldn't eat it because is going to kill you, but it just takes a little bit of sense to analyze that not only corporations like Coca Cola, Pepsi among others will look for ways to make their products sound "safe", but when I start seeing chemistry experiments just to make something drinkable, it makes me question why would I want to put something like that in my body, and make my liver work hard to avoid all those toxins spread thru my body.
If anyone base their trust in the FDA approval of safety, not too long ago I watched a documentary about how FDA requires two successful tests in order to approve a medication, even if 98 tests weren't successful. If this is true or not, I don't know, but knowing how this government works when it comes about the influence lobbyists have on it and its agencies, I honestly don't trust them at all, but that's just me.
Ok, copying and pasting bits and pieces from Wikipedia is not a very effective way to make an argument. Especially when you cherry pick parts to fit your argument, while intentionally leaving out the parts that disprove your argument. Like the fact that most actual clinical studies on phosphoric acid have shown absolutely no effect on calcium and bone density levels. In fact, phosphorus is actually something the body needs, and low phosphorus levels are actually linked to lower bone density. Funny how that's the exact opposite of your scare mongering claims.
Now onto the evil benzene. You might want to stop eating blueberries and cranberries, as those both have higher concentrations of benzene in them than some soft drinks. Also, how many diet sodas do you think have vitamin C in them? Without vitamin C in them, benzene doesn't form. It certainly doesn't form in your body, as digestion doesn't work that way.
I won't even bother with caramel coloring, since even you admitted there's absolutely no evidence of harm in humans. For the record, there are thousands of foods and medicines that are incredibly useful and safe for humans that cause all kinds of health problems in rats.
As for calcium disodium EDTA, just the fact that you had to link it to chelation treatment for lead and mercury poisoning to find and possible problems with it says enough. Medical dosages are much different than food additive dosages. Also, 11 people died over 40 years? More people died in a month from a breakout of e.coli from tainted lettuce in a month. Also in that 40 year period, About 400 people died from peanut allergies. Since peanuts are obviously deadlier than Calcium disodium EDTA, should we avoid peanuts, as well?0 -
This has probably already been mentioned, sorry if I missed it.
But many diet drinks contain aspartame which has been linked with making people feel more hungry, as well as a whole other host of undesirable health effects. Here it is banned in all children's products.
I used to use artificial sweeteners in my hot drinks a few years back and really felt this 'hunger' which I never linked to the sweeteners I was using until much later on. I cut it out, replaced it with Stevia and the 'hunger' seemed to ease off. Whether this was psychological or not I don't know but Stevia is natural from plants so is much better for you
I personally stay clear of anything containing Aspartame, but I guess drinking diet is better than the full fat stuff if you really have to, better for your teeth too.
Stevia is as natural as aspartame. Both come from natural sources, but both are created and processed in labs. Stevia is actually created by soaking leaves from the stevia plant in methanol in order to extract the sweet compounds, which are then processed into a powder. Aspartame is made from 2 amino acids that the human body manufacures on its own, and when consumed, aspartame is broken down into these amino acids and used the same way it would be used if you had eaten a steak. Aspartame is probably restricted where you live due to the risk of Phenylketonuria, which is a genetic disorder which causes people to be unable to process phenylalanine. It's a rare genetic disorder, but healthy people, without PKU have no issues metabolizing aspartame. I'm not saying aspartame is better than stevia, I'm just saying from a chemical standpoint, they are equal.0 -
Stevia is as natural as aspartame.
Totally agree. Also there is far more evidence that suggests aspartame is safe than for stevia (although admittedly this is partly because there is limited evidence in general for stevia). Also agree with your above post - I think the phosphoric acid/bone theory is an incredible leap from the fact that excess phosphate levels that occur in those with kidney disease will leach calcium from bones and cause osteoporosis. This does not however occur in people with healthy kidneys which will filter any excess phosphorus. Also, it's not relevant to all sodas only cola flavoured ones.0 -
I am a soda junkie. I don't drink nearly what I used to, but I haven't been able to cut it out completely. I might lose weight FASTER if I cut it out, but it hasn't stopped the weight from coming off
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Tigersword... you're amazing:glasses: ... Many thanks for debunking all the pseudo-science and crapola on this thread :bigsmile:
I've been drinking diet soda since the 80s. I got fat because I ate a Mars bar and/or a Snickers and/or chips & dips along with my diet coke.
If all the bunkum that is written about diet drinks and sweeteners were true, I'd probably be in intensive care, a hospice or scattered to the four winds by now.
Despite my largeness, I never had an issue with my blood sugar, my blood pressure or any other cardio/respiratory ailments. Perhaps I'm one of the lucky ones... who knows! I know my weight wasn't health and as coronary heart disease runs in my family, I knew that 250lbs on a 6'4" frame wasn't good for anyone. I'm en route to a 50lb drop and probably could do with losing another 50 on top of that. But I'll still be enjoying my Dr Pepper Zero along the way :drinker:0
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