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EmCarroll >YOU WERE THE FIRST ONE WHO MADE IT ABOUT PITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am almost 60 years old. I have had a dog my whole life.Oy vey.. please educate yourselves... http://www.understand-a-bull.com/PitbullInformation/Urbanlegends.htm
Thank you very much for this. I have been trying to get people to understand this for a while. Actually, in the 1800s Pitbulls were used as nanny dogs. They were left to watch over the children if the parents had to step out for a bit as they were very trusted, well mannered, and loving dogs.
It's the stupid owners that need to be killed. Any dog as the potential to be aggressive, it's all in the training.
Exactly, and it sucks when people want to be racist towards dogs and run home crying when technically their dog is just as "vicious" I mean come on I could be like those blue eyed huskies scare the carp out of me and they are mean and vicious but no I dont care, a dog is a dog and depnding on the owner is how they will act...
I hate to bash but the original poster didnt know if the dog was vicious, she assumed it. Thats like when I walk my bf's dogs and people cross the street its like really, you're afraid of her she'll lick you to death if anything...
They are the most loving and loyal dogs, and if you have never owned one, know one, or have met one please dont judge by what you hear in the news - I was bit by a golden retriver but you dont see me running around bashing them...
When a dog crouches down and assumes an attack mode I know it. When I posted this I was not attacking any one breed, I was simply telling a story and venting that I can't even go for a walk. You turned it into something more.
Threads never stay on topic for long.
Like I said, I was just telling a story.
... I made one comment about pitbulls then fed off the following comments, the rest was advice...0 -
I understand that it's not the breed.. I would of assumed that if any dog crouched and looked like it would attack would be frightening -
not sure how this thread got so far off the main topic.0 -
Let me guess, You don't have any children, do you?
WELL said. Anything gets near my daughter, it's no longer an animal to me- it's a threat.
Same, except if anyone goes for my dog, they're a threat
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Anyone can find statistics to support their position!! That is what is so sad about the dog bans and attacks on pit bulls. Pit Bulls are so sweet unless people make them mean. Maybe the owners people should be put down and not the dogs.
Sadly, I didn't search for pit bull statistics - just dog attacks. It may be the case that owners make them mean but clearly when they are mean - they are out of control. I will always choose a human over an animal. I will never forget the face of a 4 year old girl that was attacked by a dog (locally). Why would anyone want to take the risk?0 -
Wow, this is getting to be an intense debate. I only read through the first page or so, but I see that EVERYONE who attacked the OP for being afraid of the pitbull says she assumed that it was vicious. She clearly stated that the dog was hunched down like it was ready to attack. Maybe it was, maybe it wasnt. Either way, she made a decision to protect her own dog and get the heck out of there.0
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2011 statistics
31 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2011. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 650 U.S. cities, pit bulls led these attacks accounting for 71% (22). Pit bulls make up less than 5% of the total U.S. dog population.
Notably in 2011, adult victims of fatal pit bull attacks more than doubled the number of child victims. Of the 22 total pit bull victims, 68% (15) fell between the ages of 32 to 76, and 32% (7) were ages 5 years and younger.
The year 2011 also marks an increase in pet pit bulls killing their owners. Of the 8 total instances this year in which a family dog inflicted fatal injury to its primary caretaker, the dog's owner, 88% (7) involved pet pit bulls.
Together, pit bulls (22) and rottweilers (4), the number two lethal dog breed, accounted for 84% of all fatal attacks in 2011. In the 7-year period from 2005 to 2011, this same combination accounted for 73% (156) of the total recorded deaths (213).
The breakdown between pit bulls and rottweilers is substantial over this 7-year period. From 2005 to 2011, pit bulls killed 127 Americans,3 about one citizen every 20 days, versus rottweilers, which killed 29; about one citizen every 88 days.
Annual data from 2011 shows that 58% (18) of the attacks occurred to adults (21 years and older) and 42% (13) occurred to children (11 years and younger). Of the children, 62% (8) occurred to ages 1 and younger.
2011 data also shows that 39% (12) of the fatal incidents involved more than one dog; 26% (8) involved breeding on the dog owner's property either actively or in the recent past, and 6% (2) involved tethered dogs, down from 9% in 2010 and 19% in 2009.
Dog ownership information for 2011 shows that family dogs comprised 65% (20) of the attacks that resulted in death; 74% (23) of all incidents occurred on the dog owner's property and 29% (9) resulted in criminal charges, up from 15% in 2010.
The states of California and Texas led fatalities in 2011, each with 4 deaths; pit bulls and their mixes contributed to 88% (7) of the 8 deaths. North Carolina, New Mexico, South Carolina and Virginia each incurred 2 deaths.
What this Graph does not show is the stats on the owners of those pitbull. How many of them have been convicted of a crime, how many of them have had complaints placed against them for animal abuse or spousal abuse. Those charts also do not contain the information about the kids that are tormenting the dog for days, weeks or months (ie. hitting it with sticks, throwing rocks trying to get a reaction from the dog) It is not fair to attack an entire breed based on the owners lack of knowledge.
Im sorry but people need to read in between the lines also, Frankly i see kids tormenting dogs all the time and it is only a matter of time before those kids get attacked. There parents should have raised them better with a better understanding of the animals.
If you can find me statistics that take into account the types of owners and the situation to which the dog attacked (and the truth because no kid is going to be honest and say they provoked the attack) i may believe this holds some grounds to be true.
Charts are nice and pretty but they do NOT contain all the information.0 -
Hmmmmmm, yet police can shoot a human who could quite possibly kill them!!
To the poster, i can totally understand where you are coming from and hope in time you will be able to move away from where you live, to nicer surroundings.
Un-restrained dogs can be dangerous, or soft as a ball of fluff but unless you know them, you have no way of knowing. The same as that normal looking person walking down the street. He could be the one to rob you, whilst the scruffy looking one helps you up.0 -
EmCarroll >YOU WERE THE FIRST ONE WHO MADE IT ABOUT PITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am almost 60 years old. I have had a dog my whole life.Oy vey.. please educate yourselves... http://www.understand-a-bull.com/PitbullInformation/Urbanlegends.htm
Thank you very much for this. I have been trying to get people to understand this for a while. Actually, in the 1800s Pitbulls were used as nanny dogs. They were left to watch over the children if the parents had to step out for a bit as they were very trusted, well mannered, and loving dogs.
It's the stupid owners that need to be killed. Any dog as the potential to be aggressive, it's all in the training.
Exactly, and it sucks when people want to be racist towards dogs and run home crying when technically their dog is just as "vicious" I mean come on I could be like those blue eyed huskies scare the carp out of me and they are mean and vicious but no I dont care, a dog is a dog and depnding on the owner is how they will act...
I hate to bash but the original poster didnt know if the dog was vicious, she assumed it. Thats like when I walk my bf's dogs and people cross the street its like really, you're afraid of her she'll lick you to death if anything...
They are the most loving and loyal dogs, and if you have never owned one, know one, or have met one please dont judge by what you hear in the news - I was bit by a golden retriver but you dont see me running around bashing them...
When a dog crouches down and assumes an attack mode I know it. When I posted this I was not attacking any one breed, I was simply telling a story and venting that I can't even go for a walk. You turned it into something more.
Threads never stay on topic for long.
Like I said, I was just telling a story.
Agreed, instead of feeling empathy and giving you advice, she went on a rant about one specific breed you mentioned instead of the story. I offer advice and gave you a dose of my experience and she makes it about that, to which I feel the need to respond. Over it, and loving on my rescued Dingo. I have no one to answer too least of all to her. Om nomz coffee.0 -
Absolutely love dogs but if I see one crouched and ready to attack, I'm not sticking around to see if it's sweet and loveable.0
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While I've done a lot of bully rescue and believe in 'no bad dogs, only bad owners', I can understand the OP's fear of seeing a dog who is hunching down and looking vicious. I think any dog who seems to be showing aggressive tendencies is frightening - may it be a tiny min pin or a Great Dane.
After working in a vet for some time, I've seen some of the worst dog attack wounds and it's scary stuff.0 -
People are passionate about their "Dogs and Carbs". :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:I understand that it's not the breed.. I would of assumed that if any dog crouched and looked like it would attack would be frightening -
not sure how this thread got so far off the main topic.0 -
1. Pits are a type of dog not a breed!
2. Pits are friendly and lovable dogs. The way the dog acts is due to how the owner has trained it.
3. You said the dog "went down into attack mode" if it was a younger dog (2 or under) and it saw your dog it could be taken as excitment and wanting to play with your dog.
4. Dont be a whimp, let the dog approach you. You are showing fear, stand your ground with your dog and it is likely to back down because you are showing that you are in charge.
5. If it does bite then thats a new situation, your dog will protect you. Instinct comes in at that point all dogs are protective of their owner. And after the dog has been quaritined (to see if rabies develop) it will be put down and the owner will be found and charged.
6. I agree that dogs shouldnt free roam but it happens. Dogs can be fast and get out.
7. And 100% agree with the right to own guns and carry however I wouldnt shoot anything untill after harm is done!0 -
What this Graph does not show is the stats on the owners of those pitbull. How many of them have been convicted of a crime, how many of them have had complaints placed against them for animal abuse or spousal abuse. Those charts also do not contain the information about the kids that are tormenting the dog for days, weeks or months (ie. hitting it with sticks, throwing rocks trying to get a reaction from the dog) It is not fair to attack an entire breed based on the owners lack of knowledge.
Im sorry but people need to read in between the lines also, Frankly i see kids tormenting dogs all the time and it is only a matter of time before those kids get attacked. There parents should have raised them better with a better understanding of the animals.
If you can find me statistics that take into account the types of owners and the situation to which the dog attacked (and the truth because no kid is going to be honest and say they provoked the attack) i may believe this holds some grounds to be true.
Charts are nice and pretty but they do NOT contain all the information.
Again - I choose humans.0 -
EmCarroll >YOU WERE THE FIRST ONE WHO MADE IT ABOUT PITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am almost 60 years old. I have had a dog my whole life.Oy vey.. please educate yourselves... http://www.understand-a-bull.com/PitbullInformation/Urbanlegends.htm
Thank you very much for this. I have been trying to get people to understand this for a while. Actually, in the 1800s Pitbulls were used as nanny dogs. They were left to watch over the children if the parents had to step out for a bit as they were very trusted, well mannered, and loving dogs.
It's the stupid owners that need to be killed. Any dog as the potential to be aggressive, it's all in the training.
Exactly, and it sucks when people want to be racist towards dogs and run home crying when technically their dog is just as "vicious" I mean come on I could be like those blue eyed huskies scare the carp out of me and they are mean and vicious but no I dont care, a dog is a dog and depnding on the owner is how they will act...
I hate to bash but the original poster didnt know if the dog was vicious, she assumed it. Thats like when I walk my bf's dogs and people cross the street its like really, you're afraid of her she'll lick you to death if anything...
They are the most loving and loyal dogs, and if you have never owned one, know one, or have met one please dont judge by what you hear in the news - I was bit by a golden retriver but you dont see me running around bashing them...
When a dog crouches down and assumes an attack mode I know it. When I posted this I was not attacking any one breed, I was simply telling a story and venting that I can't even go for a walk. You turned it into something more.
Threads never stay on topic for long.
Like I said, I was just telling a story.
Agreed, instead of feeling empathy and giving you advice, she went on a rant about one specific breed you mentioned instead of the story. I offer advice and gave you a dose of my experience and she makes it about that, to which I feel the need to respond. Over it, and loving on my rescued Dingo. I have no one to answer too least of all to her. Om nomz coffee.
Why don't you take a moment to actually read my first comment, then go on talking about me.0 -
Kudos to you. No matter how many ppl say "I raised it from a pup and it attacked my child" ppl will still defend them to the death. All dogs should be on leashes however. I feel for you.0
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I understand where you are coming from and being afraid of the pit bull, i used to be as well until I moved in with my ex who had one. She was the sweetest dog you'd ever meet.
Just because the breed has a bad history does not mean ALL pitties are bad dogs.
The dog probably though it was his/her turf and some unknown stranger with a random dog was coming onto his/her land. Hey I'd be mad too, but you know what you have to do? WALK A DIFFERENT WAY.
Some dogs just dont like other dogs, simple as that.
My Pomeranian i had, didnt get along with other dogs, but he never attacked one, never attacked a human, he just growled at other dogs and stayed by my feet.
Turn around. Walk away.
Continue your walk 3 streets down.
Simple as that.0 -
3. You said the dog "went down into attack mode" if it was a younger dog (2 or under) and it saw your dog it could be taken as excitment and wanting to play with your dog.
4. Dont be a whimp, let the dog approach you. You are showing fear, stand your ground with your dog and it is likely to back down because you are showing that you are in charge.
7. And 100% agree with the right to own guns and carry however I wouldnt shoot anything untill after harm is done!
#3 - get real
#4 and #7 - sure, let's take a chance that the dog (whatever type it is) is friendly and let it approach me and hope that if it goes to attack me that I will still have the chance to reach for my pepper spray, mace, or gun so that I can protect myself.
Come on folks - we're talking about human lives here.0 -
I also have a question for you:
How do u know it was a pit?
Sadly many people cant tell the diffrence between a boxer and a pit!0 -
I agree that all dogs should be on leashes. I have given up walking around my neighborhood becuase I am tired of being approached by any dog I don't know. I love dogs but you never know when one (big or small) will decide you are too close to its territory. People just need to take responsbility for any pet they decide to take care of and one of those responsbilities is not to let it run loose.0
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They actually say in canada the most vicious dog right now is actually a Standard Poodle. There have been more attacks by them than any other dog. According to my Vet.0
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I also have a question for you:
How do u know it was a pit?
Sadly many people cant tell the diffrence between a boxer and a pit!
The *original* point of the story is that a dog almost attacked her and her dog, and she feels threatened whenever walking around her neighbourhood, through conversation we have turned this into a pitbull argument.0 -
Who gives a crap what type of dog it is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's a dog - she's a HUMAN :explode:0 -
I also have a question for you:
How do u know it was a pit?
Sadly many people cant tell the diffrence between a boxer and a pit!
My dog is a black lab blue heeler mix and i am forever being told my dog CANNOT be off leash at of leash dog parks and needs to be muzzled. People just assume to often because when you think vicious dog with a big head its a pit.0 -
Wow, what an interesting thread to read. OP, your fear is legitimate. The fact that "statistics" have been posted to say all kinds of things about pit bulls does not invalidate your fear of THAT pit bull. You were scared, you didn't run, you walked away. You did the right thing. The wrong thing was posting which breed the dog was on this thread. :laugh:0
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I also have a question for you:
How do u know it was a pit?
Sadly many people cant tell the diffrence between a boxer and a pit!
My dog is a black lab blue heeler mix and i am forever being told my dog CANNOT be off leash at of leash dog parks and needs to be muzzled. People just assume to often because when you think vicious dog with a big head its a pit.
Ooooo, I bet he/she is pretty, blue heelers are gorgeous.0 -
Stop making it about PITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I told a story about a dog who scared the crap out of me and made me affraid to walk, by myself or with my animal, in my own neighborhood. Does anyone have any Idea what. that. feels. like?Beautiful picture I received over facebook a few days ago. I wish I knew how to post it. It was picture of a beautiful pitt bull sitting down and looking back with the following:
HUMANS - Over breed me
HUMANS -Cut my ears off
HUMANS - Buy Me
HUMANS - Beat Me
HUMANS - Make me fight
and I am the one they want to ban....?
I am the one who gets the BAD rap..?
I am the one YOU fear..?
I am a proud owner of 2 beautiful pitt bulls, and a Italian Mastiff. Neither would do anything to hurt anyone unless they were protecting me and my children. And that's what their nature is taught them to defend the loved ones. They are the best friend that anyone could have.. Just like a gun kills... But who pulls the trigger..HUMANS...
I understand your fear.. But don't blame it on the animal, BLAME the dumb owner....
My dog was biten in the face by a stupid cocker spaniel.. Also both my daughters are vet techs at an animal hospital. They will both tell you the worst of dogs for biting are terriers, cockers, and smaller breed dogs. It's all about their training. Small dogs seem to get away without training because of their size. Owners don't think they need to be trained. But when you work with these animals and you open the kennel to take them out to walk or bathe and they lunge at you for reaching in for them.. NOT FUN...
I am the poster and I want it to STOP! It is not about any breed it is about FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!0 -
Sad that people wont give a dog a chance and just assume because of its looks...
And maybe you should get real when you say a persons life is at stake. It is rare for a dog to kill a person and it is rare for a dog to attack without prior history.
People need to educate themselfs how to act around unknown dogs.0 -
I also have a question for you:
How do u know it was a pit?
Sadly many people cant tell the diffrence between a boxer and a pit!
I have one of both! They look quite different if you have them side by side I think, but many people tell me my "2 pit bulls" are adorable! xD0 -
Sad that people wont give a dog a chance and just assume because of its looks...
And maybe you should get real when you say a persons life is at stake. It is rare for a dog to kill a person and it is rare for a dog to attack without prior history.
People need to educate themselfs how to act around unknown dogs.
Now, I'm starting to feel bad for the poster when these questions and comments are being directed at her. It's not that she didn't give the dog a chance, she felt threatened as it was, in her opinion, in attack mode. She acted perfectly educated, she didn't run, didn't freak out. She grabbed her dog and walked calmly away.0 -
Stop making it about PITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I told a story about a dog who scared the crap out of me and made me affraid to walk, by myself or with my animal, in my own neighborhood. Does anyone have any Idea what. that. feels. like?Beautiful picture I received over facebook a few days ago. I wish I knew how to post it. It was picture of a beautiful pitt bull sitting down and looking back with the following:
HUMANS - Over breed me
HUMANS -Cut my ears off
HUMANS - Buy Me
HUMANS - Beat Me
HUMANS - Make me fight
and I am the one they want to ban....?
I am the one who gets the BAD rap..?
I am the one YOU fear..?
I am a proud owner of 2 beautiful pitt bulls, and a Italian Mastiff. Neither would do anything to hurt anyone unless they were protecting me and my children. And that's what their nature is taught them to defend the loved ones. They are the best friend that anyone could have.. Just like a gun kills... But who pulls the trigger..HUMANS...
I understand your fear.. But don't blame it on the animal, BLAME the dumb owner....
My dog was biten in the face by a stupid cocker spaniel.. Also both my daughters are vet techs at an animal hospital. They will both tell you the worst of dogs for biting are terriers, cockers, and smaller breed dogs. It's all about their training. Small dogs seem to get away without training because of their size. Owners don't think they need to be trained. But when you work with these animals and you open the kennel to take them out to walk or bathe and they lunge at you for reaching in for them.. NOT FUN...
I am the poster and I want it to STOP! It is not about any breed it is about FEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stop making it about pits?
Hunny, YOU made it about pits because you stated it was a pit bull.
Not us.0
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