what are people's thoughts about the paleo diet

Sidesteal

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We don't need whole grains, or twinkies, or any other junk food, so why should anyone feel the need to eat them?

Because making food choices that are only based on physiological needs seems boring as hell and practicing food elimination under that pretense probably doesn't build the best relationship with foods.

I had pumpkin pie last night because I enjoy it .

EDIT: Additionally, in the context of a well balanced diet where micro/macro sufficiency is met, the inclusion of a small portion of empty calories isn't harmful.

The Paleo diet is a naturally satiating diet, whereas a junk food diet leads to chronic hunger and overeating.

When did a "junk food" diet enter this argument?

taso42

It's fine. There's nothing magical about it. It appeals to some people. If that way of eating appeals to you, by all means go for it. But it is not a necessary nor sufficient condition for health or weight loss.

grinch031

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We don't need whole grains, or twinkies, or any other junk food, so why should anyone feel the need to eat them?

Because making food choices that are only based on physiological needs seems boring as hell and practicing food elimination under that pretense probably doesn't build the best relationship with foods.

I had pumpkin pie last night because I enjoy it .

EDIT: Additionally, in the context of a well balanced diet where micro/macro sufficiency is met, the inclusion of a small portion of empty calories isn't harmful.

The Paleo diet is a naturally satiating diet, whereas a junk food diet leads to chronic hunger and overeating.

When did a "junk food" diet enter this argument?

Because the MFP way seems to be that any diet that eliminates junk food is just a fad diet. But believe it or not there are some people out there who cannot sustain a calorie-restrictive diet that is all-inclusive of foods.

AntWrig

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We don't need whole grains, or twinkies, or any other junk food, so why should anyone feel the need to eat them?

Because making food choices that are only based on physiological needs seems boring as hell and practicing food elimination under that pretense probably doesn't build the best relationship with foods.

I had pumpkin pie last night because I enjoy it .

EDIT: Additionally, in the context of a well balanced diet where micro/macro sufficiency is met, the inclusion of a small portion of empty calories isn't harmful.

The Paleo diet is a naturally satiating diet, whereas a junk food diet leads to chronic hunger and overeating.

When did a "junk food" diet enter this argument?

I like the way you think.

grinch031

its trash..like all fad diets.

we are not cavemen..we have evolved since then..and have different dietary needs

And what needs are those? Birthday cakes and pizza?

It's a fad like anything else. Some people tought Paleo like is something magical eating plan from the heavens. When in fact all your're doing is eating in a calorie deficit. It's no different then me being in deficit eating protien, twinkies and greens. There has not been one proven studying stating that eating paleo is anything healther then a traditional calorie deficit diet.

I suggest you all read this:
http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/how-to-lose-fat/

You can thank me later.

Good luck with your fitness goals in 2012.

Your argument is no better than mine. We don't need whole grains, or twinkies, or any other junk food, so why should anyone feel the need to eat them? The Paleo diet is a naturally satiating diet, whereas a junk food diet leads to chronic hunger and overeating.

I have provided a link backed with facts and you provided.... nothing. That's the problem with the Paleo crowd. You all talk a big game but when it's comes to the science, you have none. I am glad you enjoy eating the way you do but just like in life thier are no absolutes.

And Paleo is most definatly not the end all, be all. Now, let me finish eating my large bowl of fruit loops just before bed. Whoops, I only had two meals too! I will surely get fat. :rolleyes:

Here's my edit below. I'm not part of the Paelo crowd by the way.

Oh and that website is very stupid. It is simply pointing out the obvious (fat loss = caloric deficit) and ignoring all the complications that can prevent that caloric deficit from even happening. Hormones, too low caloric intake, macro-nutrient ratios, excessive exercise, etc. can all prevent a caloric deficit from happening in ways the person couldn't predict. That website does a disservice to the people reading it.

bcattoes

We don't need whole grains, or twinkies, or any other junk food, so why should anyone feel the need to eat them? The Paleo diet is a naturally satiating diet, whereas a junk food diet leads to chronic hunger and overeating.

Oh, come on now. A junk food diet may lead to overeating but it does not cause chronic hunger for everyone. When I was young I used to live on mostly junk food. I was very thin. This was because I didn't overeat.

There are a lot of diets that satiating and healthy.

grinch031

We don't need whole grains, or twinkies, or any other junk food, so why should anyone feel the need to eat them? The Paleo diet is a naturally satiating diet, whereas a junk food diet leads to chronic hunger and overeating.

Oh, come on now. A junk food diet may lead to overeating but it does not cause chronic hunger for everyone. When I was young I used to live on mostly junk food. I was very thin. This was because I didn't overeat.

There are a lot of diets that satiating and healthy.

Yeah I'm not the one criticizing other diets. Just saying there is nothing wrong with Paleo. If it makes people lose weight and feel great, then its a good diet.

AntWrig

its trash..like all fad diets.

we are not cavemen..we have evolved since then..and have different dietary needs

And what needs are those? Birthday cakes and pizza?

It's a fad like anything else. Some people tought Paleo like is something magical eating plan from the heavens. When in fact all your're doing is eating in a calorie deficit. It's no different then me being in deficit eating protien, twinkies and greens. There has not been one proven studying stating that eating paleo is anything healther then a traditional calorie deficit diet.

I suggest you all read this:
http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/how-to-lose-fat/

You can thank me later.

Good luck with your fitness goals in 2012.

Your argument is no better than mine. We don't need whole grains, or twinkies, or any other junk food, so why should anyone feel the need to eat them? The Paleo diet is a naturally satiating diet, whereas a junk food diet leads to chronic hunger and overeating.

I have provided a link backed with facts and you provided.... nothing. That's the problem with the Paleo crowd. You all talk a big game but when it's comes to the science, you have none. I am glad you enjoy eating the way you do but just like in life thier are no absolutes.

And Paleo is most definatly not the end all, be all. Now, let me finish eating my large bowl of fruit loops just before bed. Whoops, I only had two meals too! I will surely get fat. :rolleyes:

Here's my edit below. I'm not part of the Paelo crowd by the way.

Oh and that website is very stupid. It is simply pointing out the obvious (fat loss = caloric deficit) and ignoring all the complications that can prevent that caloric deficit from even happening. Hormones, too low caloric intake, macro-nutrient ratios, excessive exercise, etc. can all prevent a caloric deficit from happening in ways the person couldn't predict. That website does a disservice to the people reading it.

It only does a disservice because you disagree. I have been in this game for too long. I am smart enough to know that eating Paleo is no better than, the Anabolic Diet, Atkins, The Zone, The Twinke Diet, INSERT YOUR DIET HERE. They are all based around being in a calorie deficit.

After losing 100 pounds, worrying about multiple meals, and eating "clean". I learned that eating anything in moderation was the key. If I were to do all it over again, I would do that way and be much happier.

That being said, I am still waiting for you to provide any publications stating that Paleo is better. I will wait for it.

ErinBeth7

I don't know why people are arguing over this. We all have our own opinions on healthy eating. Agree to disagree. Let us all state our opinions and leave it be.

I believe it's more than just our food sources (although it is a factor) that is causing more sickness such as cancer, heart problems, etc. You have to consider our daily habits that are much different than Paleolithic activities.

UponThisRock

On the positive side, it encourages whole foods over processed foods.

On the negative side, I think it unnecessarily excludes foods that are perfectly healthy, like beans and potatoes, for example. Even so-called "junk food" can be eaten as part of an overall healthy diet.

I also think you have to take a couple of logical leaps of faith to arrive at the conclusion that your diet is similar to what our ancestors ate, and that such a diet is optimal.

LorinaLynn

Please note: This post is meant to be tongue in cheek and light-hearted. Eat in whatever manner best fits your lifestyle.

This was caveman's ideal woman:



The ancient Greeks included wine, cheese, and bread in their diet, and this was their ideal woman:



All hail Dionysus!!! :drinker:

Sidesteal

there are some people out there who cannot sustain a calorie-restrictive diet that is all-inclusive of foods.

Of course, and people should strive to be in-tune with which foods those are. I think there's good reasons to eliminate foods:


1) Medical conditions/Food intolerances
2) Behavioral food elimination (ex: "I can't eat chocolate cake because if I have it in the house I'll eat the whole thing")
3) Moral reasons.

But the problem is, alarmist videos and fad diets emerge that are NOT scientifically supported, and they cause people to fear certain foods or sometimes even entire categories of foods, and that causes people to try and follow a plan that could be eliminating foods that they enjoy while providing NO justifiable reason for doing so, outside of "This is what diet X calls for me to do".

grinch031

It only does a disservice because you disagree. I have been in this game for too long. I am smart enough to know that eating Paleo is no better than, the Anabolic Diet, Atkins, The Zone, The Twinke Diet, INSERT YOUR DIET HERE. They are all based around being in a calorie deficit.

After losing 100 pounds, worrying about multiple meals, and eating "clean". I learned that eating anything in moderation was the key. If I were to do all it over again, I would do that way and be much happier.

That being said, I am still waiting for you to provide any publications stating that Paleo is better. I will wait for it.

I disagree with what from the website? I just think the website is idiotic because it doesn't take into account hormones, sustainability, medical complications, or really anything. It is stupidly over-simplistic.

What am I supposed to prove Paleo is better than?

Acg67

It excludes certain types of food based on a false premise, and then claims to have positive effects on health and body composition, not because of calorie balance and macro intake, but because you excluded the "evil" foods.

taso42

I disagree with what from the website? I just think the website is idiotic because it doesn't take into account hormones, sustainability, medical complications, or really anything. It is stupidly over-simplistic.

It's really just a log, food database, and calculator. It's not a "weight loss program" per se.

MFP is to your diet, what a calculator is to your tax return.

It's easy enough for people to enter ridiculous things into the calculator and come back with ridiculous results.

AntWrig

It only does a disservice because you disagree. I have been in this game for too long. I am smart enough to know that eating Paleo is no better than, the Anabolic Diet, Atkins, The Zone, The Twinke Diet, INSERT YOUR DIET HERE. They are all based around being in a calorie deficit.

After losing 100 pounds, worrying about multiple meals, and eating "clean". I learned that eating anything in moderation was the key. If I were to do all it over again, I would do that way and be much happier.

That being said, I am still waiting for you to provide any publications stating that Paleo is better. I will wait for it.

I disagree with what from the website? I just think the website is idiotic because it doesn't take into account hormones, sustainability, medical complications, or really anything. It is stupidly over-simplistic.

What am I supposed to prove Paleo is better than?

Dieting is that simple. For most people you don't have to worry about hormonial changes until you reach low body fat level. Trust and believe that AVERAGE overweight person will not have to worry about hormones affecting their weight loss in any way.

grinch031

I disagree with what from the website? I just think the website is idiotic because it doesn't take into account hormones, sustainability, medical complications, or really anything. It is stupidly over-simplistic.

It's really just a log, food database, and calculator. It's not a "weight loss program" per se.

MFP is to your diet, what a calculator is to your tax return.

It's easy enough for people to enter ridiculous things into the calculator and come back with ridiculous results.

I'm no talking about MFP, just that stupid link that was posted telling us that 'fat loss = caloric deficit'

taso42

I disagree with what from the website? I just think the website is idiotic because it doesn't take into account hormones, sustainability, medical complications, or really anything. It is stupidly over-simplistic.

It's really just a log, food database, and calculator. It's not a "weight loss program" per se.

MFP is to your diet, what a calculator is to your tax return.

It's easy enough for people to enter ridiculous things into the calculator and come back with ridiculous results.

I'm no talking about MFP, just that stupid link that was posted telling us that 'fat loss = caloric deficit'

whoops. i'm only half paying attention. i'll go now.

grinch031

It only does a disservice because you disagree. I have been in this game for too long. I am smart enough to know that eating Paleo is no better than, the Anabolic Diet, Atkins, The Zone, The Twinke Diet, INSERT YOUR DIET HERE. They are all based around being in a calorie deficit.

After losing 100 pounds, worrying about multiple meals, and eating "clean". I learned that eating anything in moderation was the key. If I were to do all it over again, I would do that way and be much happier.

That being said, I am still waiting for you to provide any publications stating that Paleo is better. I will wait for it.

I disagree with what from the website? I just think the website is idiotic because it doesn't take into account hormones, sustainability, medical complications, or really anything. It is stupidly over-simplistic.

What am I supposed to prove Paleo is better than?

Dieting is that simple. For most people you don't have to worry about hormonial changes until you reach low body fat level. Trust and believe that AVERAGE overweight person will not have to worry about hormones affecting their weight loss in any way.

So where are you coming up with this idea that dieting is simple? Because its simple FOR YOU.

Not only this is a local phenomenon, globally, WHO estimated one billion adults are overweight and more than 300 million are obese.

http://www.disabled-world.com/fitness/child-obesity/global-obesity.php#ixzz1mTQeVVuu

Please inform the world that dieting is very simple.

infamousmk

Here's what I think is funny about Paleo - it's all, "oh, we eat things that cavemen ate" ... but then you see the Paleo folks posting recipes for things like "Paleo ice cream" and "Paleo pizza" made with 'approved' paleo foods.


I guess I just didn't realize that cavemen mixed water with almond paste to make 'milk' to add to things ... or that they ate 'pizza' with cauliflower crust.

It really seems to me that it's nothing more than a fad diet touted by people that prefer rigidity and structure to a fault.

UponThisRock

It only does a disservice because you disagree. I have been in this game for too long. I am smart enough to know that eating Paleo is no better than, the Anabolic Diet, Atkins, The Zone, The Twinke Diet, INSERT YOUR DIET HERE. They are all based around being in a calorie deficit.

After losing 100 pounds, worrying about multiple meals, and eating "clean". I learned that eating anything in moderation was the key. If I were to do all it over again, I would do that way and be much happier.

That being said, I am still waiting for you to provide any publications stating that Paleo is better. I will wait for it.

I disagree with what from the website? I just think the website is idiotic because it doesn't take into account hormones, sustainability, medical complications, or really anything. It is stupidly over-simplistic.

What am I supposed to prove Paleo is better than?

Dieting is that simple. For most people you don't have to worry about hormonial changes until you reach low body fat level. Trust and believe that AVERAGE overweight person will not have to worry about hormones affecting their weight loss in any way.

So where are you coming up with this idea that dieting is simple? Because its simple FOR YOU.

Not only this is a local phenomenon, globally, WHO estimated one billion adults are overweight and more than 300 million are obese.

http://www.disabled-world.com/fitness/child-obesity/global-obesity.php#ixzz1mTQeVVuu

Please inform the world that dieting is very simple.

he didn't say "easy"

grinch031

there are some people out there who cannot sustain a calorie-restrictive diet that is all-inclusive of foods.

Of course, and people should strive to be in-tune with which foods those are. I think there's good reasons to eliminate foods:


1) Medical conditions/Food intolerances
2) Behavioral food elimination (ex: "I can't eat chocolate cake because if I have it in the house I'll eat the whole thing")
3) Moral reasons.

But the problem is, alarmist videos and fad diets emerge that are NOT scientifically supported, and they cause people to fear certain foods or sometimes even entire categories of foods, and that causes people to try and follow a plan that could be eliminating foods that they enjoy while providing NO justifiable reason for doing so, outside of "This is what diet X calls for me to do".

People on this board continuously try to say that sugar and refined carbs aren't unhealthy, don't cause obesity, etc.. Yet every time I eat them I end up binging on them and gaining weight. Or if I keep eating them and restrict calories, I'm starving all the time.

So am I supposed to listen to the "science", or follow the fad diet that actually allows me to lose weight? I'm going to choose the fad diet regardless of what the underlying science is.

CallmeSbo

bump

armaretta

bump, these threads are always fun to read

taso42

People on this board continuously try to say that sugar and refined carbs aren't unhealthy, don't cause obesity, etc.. Yet every time I eat them I end up binging on them and gaining weight. Or if I keep eating them and restrict calories, I'm starving all the time.

people keep trying to say that cats and dogs are great pets. but how come every time i'm near them, i get asthma attacks, and my eyes start burning? it's unhealthy to own cats and dogs.

see what i did there?

Sidesteal

People on this board continuously try to say that sugar and refined carbs aren't unhealthy, don't cause obesity, etc.. Yet every time I eat them I end up binging on them and gaining weight. Or if I keep eating them and restrict calories, I'm starving all the time.

So am I supposed to listen to the "science", or follow the fad diet that actually allows me to lose weight? I'm going to choose the fad diet regardless of what the underlying science is.

Well, ideally you would follow a calorie restrictive diet and you would learn to recognize that your individual needs dictate that you limit the foods that cause you to binge, and you would also strive to limit refined sugars because for you, they don't bring you satiety. You can do this without following some arbitrary set of rules based on pseudoscience. (There is a big difference between eliminating a food because it causes you to behave differently, and eliminating a food based on the fear that an individual food item will directly cause adiposity).

Additionally, my reply that you quoted already addressed this. When I say "behavioral", I would include foods that cause binges and I would also suggest to ANYONE that is restricting calories without following a dogmatic plan, that they consider satiety when making food choices.

When I am cutting weight I will absolutely consider satiety as one big criteria in my food choices.

Rae6503

Here's what I think is funny about Paleo - it's all, "oh, we eat things that cavemen ate" ... but then you see the Paleo folks posting recipes for things like "Paleo ice cream" and "Paleo pizza" made with 'approved' paleo foods.


I guess I just didn't realize that cavemen mixed water with almond paste to make 'milk' to add to things ... or that they ate 'pizza' with cauliflower crust.

It really seems to me that it's nothing more than a fad diet touted by people that prefer rigidity and structure to a fault.

This. Additionally saying "Cavemen = healthier" is just dumb. How long did they live? How tall were they? How were their teeth? What about infant mortality rates? Really, as a group, they are probably the worst role models one could chose.

AntWrig

It only does a disservice because you disagree. I have been in this game for too long. I am smart enough to know that eating Paleo is no better than, the Anabolic Diet, Atkins, The Zone, The Twinke Diet, INSERT YOUR DIET HERE. They are all based around being in a calorie deficit.

After losing 100 pounds, worrying about multiple meals, and eating "clean". I learned that eating anything in moderation was the key. If I were to do all it over again, I would do that way and be much happier.

That being said, I am still waiting for you to provide any publications stating that Paleo is better. I will wait for it.

I disagree with what from the website? I just think the website is idiotic because it doesn't take into account hormones, sustainability, medical complications, or really anything. It is stupidly over-simplistic.

What am I supposed to prove Paleo is better than?

Dieting is that simple. For most people you don't have to worry about hormonial changes until you reach low body fat level. Trust and believe that AVERAGE overweight person will not have to worry about hormones affecting their weight loss in any way.

So where are you coming up with this idea that dieting is simple? Because its simple FOR YOU.

Not only this is a local phenomenon, globally, WHO estimated one billion adults are overweight and more than 300 million are obese.

http://www.disabled-world.com/fitness/child-obesity/global-obesity.php#ixzz1mTQeVVuu

Please inform the world that dieting is very simple.

Re-read my post, regarding where I came from. It is much SIMPLIER when you remove all the broscience and bs expectations from the equation.

Now, Paleo is better how?

grinch031

People on this board continuously try to say that sugar and refined carbs aren't unhealthy, don't cause obesity, etc.. Yet every time I eat them I end up binging on them and gaining weight. Or if I keep eating them and restrict calories, I'm starving all the time.

people keep trying to say that cats and dogs are great pets. but how come every time i'm near them, i get asthma attacks, and my eyes start burning? it's unhealthy to own cats and dogs.

see what i did there?

Oh and what Fitnesssocial is saying that people who refuse to have cats and dogs as pets are dumb because cats and dogs are good pets!

Acg67

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfbkUT0Qx2Q