The truth about sugar subsitutes

icemaiden17_uk

If you read the link some of that is verbatim.

Really? That is so funny! I love getting recycled information!! Still I would've included the small print if it was there! Can't have a fair debate if you miss out stuff like that!!

wrevhn

since i have candida, and i'm really having trouble being disciplined enough to do the "diet" to contain them..... I have considered using xylitol. They sell a kind called "ideal' at my grocery store. It kills candida. Made off fruits and veggies. Cup for cup and acts like sugar. Can't eat to much though. It can cause tummy issues.

I also use stevia. Mainly in drinks, etc.

I do have aspartame in my sprite zeros. but i adore them. do wish they would switch to a better kind.

icemaiden17_uk

You should have stated that in the beginning. That it was from a company that was trying to sell you something. If their trying to sell you something, then they are going to tell you everything bad about their competitor, whether it is true or not.

The paper which the OP's 'email' came from states at the bottom...

But most of the studies have limitations such as effects shown only in animals not in human, small sample size, high doses, statistically non-significant or borderline significant, etc.

I'm not defending artificial sweeteners, I'm just saying...Alarmist.

If you want to read the whole thing, here's the link. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3198517/?tool=pubmed

Tried to say this before but my pc crashed! This is not where I go the info. I got from someone trying to sell me their sweetner! If it had said this at the bottom I would've included it!

True, however I have just been told that it was taken from another article so actually just recycled information! The original original is in this persons post!

neo200120018

my thing everything in moderation, in nz, the studies where people have gotten side effects from artifical sweetners were chewing a pack of gum a day, or drinking litres of fizzy a day! a piece of gum or a can a day isnt going to hurt you!

lizard053

The reason most of our diet sodas have aspartame and not something like stevia? The FDA (read, friends of the aspartame creators and sellers) won't approve stevia for use in food. Nevermind it's 100% natural. The vitamin water is the only one I've seen that uses stevia as the sweetener, how they got that, I do not know!

trixirn

I can only add to this that I had to end all splenda/sweet n low usage due to it gave me a rash. Equal does not bother me. I drink diet wild cherry pepsi and it doesn't bother me. But put a couple yellow or pink packets in a cup of coffee and my left thigh will get rash and itch like crazy. Who knows? If you think it's harmful, don't ingest it.

lexlowe

Sugar (sucrose) ingestion comes with more consequences than artificial sweeteners. Jeepers, we eat something like 25 teaspoons of sugar a day without even trying because it gets added to so many foods that you don't expect to have any sugar. I've even seen sugar listed as an ingredient in salsa of all things.

If we banned everything that had a negative side-effect on someone somewhere, we'd have nothing left to eat.

tnrunningnurse

Wow it is amazing how angry some people can get during what is suppose to be a civilized debate. As far as this debate goes there is science that supports both the safety of artificial sweetners as well as the unsafeness of them. As a nurse that knows something about the human anatomy and chemical make-up of the body I make the PERSONAL choice not to use artificial sweetners, limit my intake of sugar either in raw form or agave or honey, and I also choose to use Organic meats,diary and fruits and veggies when I can. It is my belief based on medical articles that I have read that NATURAL is better for the human body than UNNATURAL I also have the belief that all the antibiotics given to livestock is the reason for resistant bacteria. And it is also a personal belief based on my own research of the topic of pesticides that organic is the way to go....I mean I am not gonna spray raid on my dinner am I. Personal attacks should not take place on a forum where all people have the same goal....To be Healthy.

GlassslippersAndFairyDust

I opt for a smaller portion of the real thing vs. chemical-laden products. :flowerforyou:

icemaiden17_uk

Wow it is amazing how angry some people can get during what is suppose to be a civilized debate. As far as this debate goes there is science that supports both the safety of artificial sweetners as well as the unsafeness of them. As a nurse that knows something about the human anatomy and chemical make-up of the body I make the PERSONAL choice not to use artificial sweetners, limit my intake of sugar either in raw form or agave or honey, and I also choose to use Organic meats,diary and fruits and veggies when I can. It is my belief based on medical articles that I have read that NATURAL is better for the human body than UNNATURAL I also have the belief that all the antibiotics given to livestock is the reason for resistant bacteria. And it is also a personal belief based on my own research of the topic of pesticides that organic is the way to go....I mean I am not gonna spray raid on my dinner am I. Personal attacks should not take place on a forum where all people have the same goal....To be Healthy.

On a personal level I totally agree with everything you have just said! We are going to grow our own veg though! Thats our plan!! And we cook 80-90% of our food from scratch to reduce sugars etc! I think I have found a kindred spirit! Btw I am the daughter of a nuse and midwife and I strongly suspect that this is why I have the same opnions that you have just stated!

lorenzoinlr

Ahh....the wonderful world of Research Studies. Absent funding they'd barely exist. Sometimes the funding source is only after knowledge but often the purpose is to defend their side of the street. Just the fact that that phenomenon exists means we have to take them with a grain of salt. Enough studies pointing the same way helps but often you don't have that.

For me prudence has me avoid risks that can't be justified. I avoid artificial sweeteners because I'm fine without them and the possibiility does exist they're harmful along with the possibility that they're not, I'd just assume be risk averse here.

Now, if it were something I loved or felt I needed, my risk benefit calculus might be different.

bcampbell54

Eeks!!
More science-ish sounding scariness, from the Federal Drug Administrations, whatever they are.
Hiding under my blankie now...

pauljsolie

I like how people are always crying about the awful chemicals,yet probobly use deoderant,makeup,hair dye,toothpaste all get absorbed into your body

Ahhhhhhhh, a voice of reason. Good point!

celliott_sa

OM My GAWD! I have been taking these for YEARS!!!! I even have a diet coke in fornt me right now! I didn't know it was that bad, though my brother said aspartame was originally created for making a type of bomb by a german scientist. YIKES Thank you

pauljsolie

Ahh....the wonderful world of Research Studies. Absent funding they'd barely exist. Sometimes the funding source is only after knowledge but often the purpose is to defend their side of the street. Just the fact that that phenomenon exists means we have to take them with a grain of salt. Enough studies pointing the same way helps but often you don't have that.

For me prudence has me avoid risks that can't be justified. I avoid artificial sweeteners because I'm fine without them and the possibiility does exist they're harmful along with the possibility that they're not, I'd just assume be risk averse here.

Now, if it were something I loved or felt I needed, my risk benefit calculus might be different.

How dare you tell me I have to take in salt!!!!!



oops, forgot to turn off the sarcasm switch

docdick9120

What are we diabetics supposed to do when we need sweetness in our food or drink?

Stefanie7125

Excellent post. I do not do artificial sweetners at all.

^^ Me either. I wish they would outlaw aspartame all together. I would much rather eat a little bit of real sugar than polute my body with that artificial crap.

I completely agree. I try very hard to avoid it!

trixirn

Did you guys know that deodorant can cause kidney failure? Read the back of your product. There's a warning.

stef827

I use truvia... ._. and I'm still going to use it.

Truvia is not artificial

MaximalLife

I gave up all sugar substitutes.

My gut feeling was that something was wrong.
I do not regret this.

And as I pour over all the conflicting notions, I certainly can report that I just feel better.
Scientific? Nope...

I am a study of one, and the results are in.
Something about sugar substitutes just ain't quite right.

tsh0ck

Thank you for posting this....I've been saying this stuff for years but people have stopped listening to me and chew their sugar free gum and drink their diet sodas anyway. Did you know aspartame has close to 100 known side effects - one of which being death! and was rejected by the FDA the first several times through, and only passed when leadership changed. Now it's in everything!

you know what else has a side effect of death?


life.


aaaaahhhhhh!

bjfmade

Eggs and coffee used to be bad, too. Let's not mention what Dr. Spock did to help raise kids! It is all a matter of interpretation. If you want to use something, you will only see the good in it. Same goes with something you don' t like. I use artificial sweeteners and will continue to do so. I drink coffee and will continue to do so, etc., etc., etc.

ericalynn104

Aspartame is EVERYWHERE!!! I swear it haunts me.. It gives me headaches and it is SOOOOOO hard to avoid! It's in gum. It's in drink mixes. It's in low calorie yogurt! *frustrated sigh*

meg7399

Why would anyone want to ingest chemically modified or created anything? Its a sickening thought for me. 15 calories are not that important to me that I can't use a tsp of REAL nature produced sugar in my coffee instead of a 0 calories plant engineered substitute! Eat real stuff! We don't eat lead paint...lets not eat other bad for us stuff either!

Helice

I have 3 sweetners in my cups of tea. (artifical suger).
As scary as the side effects sound, if i just had normal sugar. My cups of tea would become like 54 calories more than they already are..
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SilverStrychnine

Sugar replacements are artificial and nothing but chemicals. Sugar is a natural substance. Regardless of the pros and cons, I don't want to pump my body full of chemicals.

967_1111

Anyone reading Doonesbury this week?

http://www.doonesbury.com/

What I love about the Internet is I can support any argument with a bit of cut and paste from a variety of web sites.

What's that phone number for MyFacts anyway?

LabRat529

*sigh* I had a nice long post about the chemistry of it all... And blamo! Gone!

Briefly - Spleda is natural sucrose treated with chlorine. We use chlorine to disinfect, and therefore, it's toxic to living systems. Chlorine gas has been used as a chemical warfare agent. Aspertame does break down to formaldehyde, which is a known carcinogen and even brief exposure during a high school dissection could be enough to cause cancer. Do you REALLY want to put these things into your body?

We use alcohol to disinfect too.

Splenda is the racimer of glucose. What does that mean? It has the same molecular composition, but the bonds are oriented differently and so the molecule doesn't fit into our enzymes and can't be metabolized the way that glucose is metabolized.

It's really NOT that scary and most of the stuff you're sharing on this thread is hear-say, scare-tactics, and not based on science.

I repeat a sentiment that I've shared many times before (this statement is directed to everyone, not just to the individual I quoted)- there's no need to twist the science to fit your bias. There's no need to be a fear-monger. Choose not to consume artificial sweeteners if you wish, and by all means, feel free to point out the possible danger. But let's not make boogie monsters out of them, shall we? Dieting is hard enough without jumping at every possible shadow.

cressievargo

I could be wrong, but I think the original poster's point was that people ingest artificial sweeteners a LOT - and MANY (not all) do not know of the potential side effects, etc. They assume b/c the FDA allows it, it must be okay (or they just don't care either way).

Whether or not a person chooses to use artificial sweeteners is their own choice.

For me, personally, I do use them but severely limit my intake now. I used to drink diet pop - and once I quit drinking it last summer, I realized that it was a a MAJOR trigger for me. It made me crave sweets like CRAZY. Someone else might not have that same experience - but another might...and isn't that the point of this forum? To offer help, ideas and suggestions?
People have the right to further research or ignore it all together.

iuew

the truth about seared or cooked meat : it contains heterocyclic amines, which are a known carcinogen. however, it's unlikely that eating cooked food will cause you to get cancer. pathogenic organisms in uncooked food, however, can and do kill a lot of people.

likewise, being overweight is a serious health risk. artificial sweeteners help a lot of people cut calories and therefore lose weight.

here is a reputable link addressing the issue : http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/artificial-sweeteners