Does black caffeinated coffee count as daily water
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You started talking about sugar. Don't call out others for being off topic if you don't enjoy the same, just sayin.
You're straying from the topic at hand.
I love how many people pick on me in this forum when ALL I DID WAS POST A SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN ARTICLE. I got the "oh, the government paid the scientists...blah blah blah. It's not like I posted a trash magazine article or a link to FOX news (paid for by a coffee company).0 -
No because it is a diuretic.
Wrong. Where do you get this information? It does not make you pee any more so than any other liquid.
Coffee makes me pee way more than anything else, but I don't know any facts. I just like coffee!0 -
Coffee makes me pee way more than anything else, but I don't know any facts. I just like coffee!
Ha! That's for sure.0 -
No because it is a diuretic.
Wrong. Where do you get this information? It does not make you pee any more so than any other liquid.
Coffee makes me pee way more than anything else, but I don't know any facts. I just like coffee!
I thought the same thing, but now I'm thinking its just the placebo effect.0 -
I actually don't log water or fluids unless they have calories but certainly never drink 8 cups of water a day.I almost don't want to get into what is obviously a no-winning-side debate, but hell I'll put in my two cents and leave it at that. I grew up in a house hold that was very health conscious for the most part. Lots of water, 100% fruit juice, we didn't keep white sugar in the house, only whole wheat bread, no fun sugar filled cereals ect. Pretty boring for a kid. My Mom was into "alternative" medicine so we didn't go to the doctor or hospital unless something was broken or wouldn't stop bleeding for the most part. LOL. But, we didn't get sick very often either. I would be very interested to see how often those of you who are logging non-water as water get sick and how long you stay sick. How often do you have headaches (side effect of dehydration)? Do you sleep well? Do you wake up feeling "well?" I don't think that coffee and sodas are the Devil. I love tea! But I do think that sodas are empty calories, that should probably be avoided if you're trying to loose weight and get healthy. And, I assume that is what you're trying to do if you're participating on MFP?
Anyway, if MFP wanted you to log all of your liquid intake I'm sure they would have made it read "Liquid Consumption" and not "Water Consumption," but that's just me. I'm not a super smart scientist that's been doing super important research for years and years so I'm sure my thoughts on the matter are really null and void.
So to answer the original posters question, no I don't think you should count coffee as part of your WATER consumption.
Thank you and I hope all of you have a fantastic Valentine's Day!
Very rarely get sick (and I'm over fifty). Only time I get headaches is when I go too long without coffee but that's easily cured
Ah yes, addiction. It is a pain in the butt.0 -
These threads always end up with people just saying their opinion, without actually even reading the thread or the links to research posted.
As long as the OP can work out who to believe.
Note there are no links to research for the "caffeinated drinks dont count" brigade. I never stop feeling amazed at the amount of people who cant differentiate between "water" and "pure water". People really believe when they cay 8 cups of water a day, they mean pure water, then they dont. They just mean "water". From any source, with pretty much anything in it.
One does CLEARLY not need 8 cups of PURE water a day. I, and many like me, NEVER drink pure water, and I've never felt better, stronger, fitter, healthier, or more hydrated. I get MY water from other sources. SURELY that is proof enough that we dont need NEAT water, no?0 -
When you say "pure" water, do you mean morally righteous? Because I like to drink loose, slutty water.These threads always end up with people just saying their opinion, without actually even reading the thread or the links to research posted.
As long as the OP can work out who to believe.
Note there are no links to research for the "caffeinated drinks dont count" brigade. I never stop feeling amazed at the amount of people who cant differentiate between "water" and "pure water". People really believe when they cay 8 cups of water a day, they mean pure water, then they dont. They just mean "water". From any source, with pretty much anything in it.
One does CLEARLY not need 8 cups of PURE water a day. I, and many like me, NEVER drink pure water, and I've never felt better, stronger, fitter, healthier, or more hydrated. I get MY water from other sources. SURELY that is proof enough that we dont need NEAT water, no?0 -
I actually don't log water or fluids unless they have calories but certainly never drink 8 cups of water a day.I almost don't want to get into what is obviously a no-winning-side debate, but hell I'll put in my two cents and leave it at that. I grew up in a house hold that was very health conscious for the most part. Lots of water, 100% fruit juice, we didn't keep white sugar in the house, only whole wheat bread, no fun sugar filled cereals ect. Pretty boring for a kid. My Mom was into "alternative" medicine so we didn't go to the doctor or hospital unless something was broken or wouldn't stop bleeding for the most part. LOL. But, we didn't get sick very often either. I would be very interested to see how often those of you who are logging non-water as water get sick and how long you stay sick. How often do you have headaches (side effect of dehydration)? Do you sleep well? Do you wake up feeling "well?" I don't think that coffee and sodas are the Devil. I love tea! But I do think that sodas are empty calories, that should probably be avoided if you're trying to loose weight and get healthy. And, I assume that is what you're trying to do if you're participating on MFP?
Anyway, if MFP wanted you to log all of your liquid intake I'm sure they would have made it read "Liquid Consumption" and not "Water Consumption," but that's just me. I'm not a super smart scientist that's been doing super important research for years and years so I'm sure my thoughts on the matter are really null and void.
So to answer the original posters question, no I don't think you should count coffee as part of your WATER consumption.
Thank you and I hope all of you have a fantastic Valentine's Day!
Very rarely get sick (and I'm over fifty). Only time I get headaches is when I go too long without coffee but that's easily cured
Ah yes, addiction. It is a pain in the butt.
yes, but I enjoy it. And most addictions don't come with benefits like decreasing risk of cancer and diabetes.0 -
While 8 glasses may not be needed, the following statement is absolutely true. "The more WATER you drink, the less your body retains." If you don't drink much water, you could easily drop 6 - 8 lbs. of water weight within a week of increased water intake.0
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I've posted this dozens and dozens of times on MFP and I'm posting it again here for you all. Read, learn, and be amazed.
Why the 8 glasses of water a day is a MYTH:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=eight-glasses-water-per-day
Thanks for posting the link to this article. From a purely rational viewpoint this article makes a great deal of sense. I personally have not been counting water consumption, but between coffee (usually decaf), diet soda, sugar free drink mixes, and water I probably do consume at least 64 ounces in an average day. Even though I don't choose to guzzle plain water all day long, it doesn't seem to be a roadblock to successful weight loss for me.
Another myth busted?0 -
While 8 glasses may not be needed, the following statement is absolutely true. "The more WATER you drink, the less your body retains." If you don't drink much water, you could easily drop 6 - 8 lbs. of water weight within a week of increased water intake.
You lost me, if I don't drink i could lose water weight from increased water intake?
This sounds like a math story problem.0 -
While 8 glasses may not be needed, the following statement is absolutely true. "The more WATER you drink, the less your body retains." If you don't drink much water, you could easily drop 6 - 8 lbs. of water weight within a week of increased water intake.
You lost me, if I don't drink i could lose water weight from increased water intake?
This sounds like a math story problem.
It's not a maths equation. Your body will only release stores in your body if it HAS to if it doesn't recieve the right signals from consuming what it needs.0 -
When you say "pure" water, do you mean morally righteous? Because I like to drink loose, slutty water.These threads always end up with people just saying their opinion, without actually even reading the thread or the links to research posted.
As long as the OP can work out who to believe.
Note there are no links to research for the "caffeinated drinks dont count" brigade. I never stop feeling amazed at the amount of people who cant differentiate between "water" and "pure water". People really believe when they cay 8 cups of water a day, they mean pure water, then they dont. They just mean "water". From any source, with pretty much anything in it.
One does CLEARLY not need 8 cups of PURE water a day. I, and many like me, NEVER drink pure water, and I've never felt better, stronger, fitter, healthier, or more hydrated. I get MY water from other sources. SURELY that is proof enough that we dont need NEAT water, no?
nice!!! :laugh:0 -
I've posted this dozens and dozens of times on MFP and I'm posting it again here for you all. Read, learn, and be amazed.
Why the 8 glasses of water a day is a MYTH:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=eight-glasses-water-per-day
I call BS and this retired professor is the ONLY person I have ever heard say this.
Water is vital to our existence. No soda, tea, juice, coffee, etc............ Water is vital.0 -
That article was very helpful. I've been feeling guilty trying to get all that water down during the day. That's a LOT of water to be drinking.
64 oz is not a lot of water. I drink 64 oz of water before 10 am.0 -
Actually a lot of people have said it. ( Look up post by HMonsterX)I've posted this dozens and dozens of times on MFP and I'm posting it again here for you all. Read, learn, and be amazed.
Why the 8 glasses of water a day is a MYTH:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=eight-glasses-water-per-day
I call BS and this retired professor is the ONLY person I have ever heard say this.
Water is vital to our existence. No soda, tea, juice, coffee, etc............ Water is vital.
But if you're calling BS I guess you have a lot of scientific studies/data, right?
BTW no one disagrees that your body needs water; we're just saying your body can get water from coffee, juice, milk etc0 -
I hesitated to respond to this for about 11 seconds. But here's my two cents: Your body will process the fluid out of whatever you put into it that has fluid. Coffee, tea, soda, juice, et al. Short term, you're hydrating your body. Long-term? You should pay attention. As a coffee drinker (3 or more cups a day) I paid attention to the prof of my nutrition class saying caffeine has calcium leeching effects and I should add milk to counteract that; non-fat to avoid additional fat intake. And I know drinking sugars is no good for those with diabetes or who are pre-diabetic. Then again, drinking pure water when you are already severely dehydrated can cause your body not to absorb it, so you need sodium (I've heard doctors recommend eating saltines AND drinking water) to replenish your body's hydration level.
So, I log for water, log for calories, and pay attention to my specific needs. Scientifically? Liquid= + or - water. Nutritionally? Pay attention to your own needs.0 -
Actually, he is right. The dosage that is required to cause significant diuresis is substantial, but I'm sure many people exceed that dose (I drink probably around 500-1000mg of caffeine a day, give or take, personally). All of the methylxanthines, the group of drugs of which caffeine is a member, act as diuretics. Here is a nice article from the National Institute of Health if you'd like to educate yourself:No because it is a diuretic.
Wrong. Where do you get this information? It does not make you pee any more so than any other liquid.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3275788
Does this mean coffee doesn't count as water? It depends on your intake. Substantial intake of caffeine or any other diuretic should be offset with increased water intake.0 -
ok, I will share this one more time...
Coffee... Log it as Coffee
Tea .... Log it as Tea
Soda / Pop .... Log it as Soda / Pop
Apple Juice .... Log it as Apple Juice
Milk..... Log it as Milk
Water.... Hello log THAT as Water
Its really not that difficult to remember that. Why must you try and give yourself "excuses". Water is Water is Water.
Thank you!! I completely agree that by documenting coffee and soda as water, people are making excuses not to drink water. I am extremely sensitive to caffein and it makes me urinate more frequently. Some may not experience it like I do, but it is a diuretic. If you are working out consistently, why not give your body what it really needs? You can still enjoy that cup of coffee or soda (which I would not recommend if you're trying to lose weight, since there are around 17 Tbsp of sugar in a 20oz soda). Why not just drink water as well? I really don't see why people have such a problem with drinking water. It's one of our most basic necessities (3 minutes without air, 3 days without WATER, and ~3 weeks without food).0 -
ok, I will share this one more time...
Coffee... Log it as Coffee
Tea .... Log it as Tea
Soda / Pop .... Log it as Soda / Pop
Apple Juice .... Log it as Apple Juice
Milk..... Log it as Milk
Water.... Hello log THAT as Water
Its really not that difficult to remember that. Why must you try and give yourself "excuses". Water is Water is Water.
Thank you!! I completely agree that by documenting coffee and soda as water, people are making excuses not to drink water. I am extremely sensitive to caffein and it makes me urinate more frequently. Some may not experience it like I do, but it is a diuretic. If you are working out consistently, why not give your body what it really needs? You can still enjoy that cup of coffee or soda (which I would not recommend if you're trying to lose weight, since there are around 17 Tbsp of sugar in a 20oz soda). Why not just drink water as well? I really don't see why people have such a problem with drinking water. It's one of our most basic necessities (3 minutes without air, 3 days without WATER, and ~3 weeks without food).
Our bodies do get water when we drink juice and milk etc. The water from these beverages is absorbed into our bloodstream the same way if we drank straight water.
I see no need to overhydrate myself, that's why I have "a problem" with drinking an additional eight cups a day. If you want to run to the bathroom every hour, that's great.I f you feel better drinking that much, great. Just don't tell me we all need to drink that much fluid to keep hydrated.0 -
I've posted this dozens and dozens of times on MFP and I'm posting it again here for you all. Read, learn, and be amazed.
Why the 8 glasses of water a day is a MYTH:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=eight-glasses-water-per-day
Thanks for posting the link to this article. From a purely rational viewpoint this article makes a great deal of sense. I personally have not been counting water consumption, but between coffee (usually decaf), diet soda, sugar free drink mixes, and water I probably do consume at least 64 ounces in an average day. Even though I don't choose to guzzle plain water all day long, it doesn't seem to be a roadblock to successful weight loss for me.
Another myth busted?
Decaffeinated coffee still has caffeine in it, just lower amounts. It's also typically processed using benzene (a carcinogen). There is a process that uses CO2, but I don't know how widely used it is yet. I just wanted you to be aware of what you're putting into your body.0 -
Clearly you ignored the factual information on this thread.ok, I will share this one more time...
Coffee... Log it as Coffee
Tea .... Log it as Tea
Soda / Pop .... Log it as Soda / Pop
Apple Juice .... Log it as Apple Juice
Milk..... Log it as Milk
Water.... Hello log THAT as Water
Its really not that difficult to remember that. Why must you try and give yourself "excuses". Water is Water is Water.
Thank you!! I completely agree that by documenting coffee and soda as water, people are making excuses not to drink water. I am extremely sensitive to caffein and it makes me urinate more frequently. Some may not experience it like I do, but it is a diuretic. If you are working out consistently, why not give your body what it really needs? You can still enjoy that cup of coffee or soda (which I would not recommend if you're trying to lose weight, since there are around 17 Tbsp of sugar in a 20oz soda). Why not just drink water as well? I really don't see why people have such a problem with drinking water. It's one of our most basic necessities (3 minutes without air, 3 days without WATER, and ~3 weeks without food).0 -
Just so you know, coffee, caffeinated and decaffeinated , has antioxidants and has been linked to decreased rates of some types of cancer. Coffee is also linked to decreased rates of diabetes, Parkinson's and depression.I've posted this dozens and dozens of times on MFP and I'm posting it again here for you all. Read, learn, and be amazed.
Why the 8 glasses of water a day is a MYTH:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=eight-glasses-water-per-day
Thanks for posting the link to this article. From a purely rational viewpoint this article makes a great deal of sense. I personally have not been counting water consumption, but between coffee (usually decaf), diet soda, sugar free drink mixes, and water I probably do consume at least 64 ounces in an average day. Even though I don't choose to guzzle plain water all day long, it doesn't seem to be a roadblock to successful weight loss for me.
Another myth busted?
Decaffeinated coffee still has caffeine in it, just lower amounts. It's also typically processed using benzene (a carcinogen). There is a process that uses CO2, but I don't know how widely used it is yet. I just wanted you to be aware of what you're putting into your body.0 -
I'm not necessarily saying that you need to drink exactly 8 glasses of water per day because I do know that we get much of our water from the foods we eat. However, our culture is the most obese in the world and I attribute a lot of that to the fact that people aren't conscious of what they drink. I also think that drinking diuretics and thinking they are the same as water is a fallacy. I am not an expert and I don't claim to be one, but my common sense tells me that anything that causes your body to expel water is not equal to water.0
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Actually cafinated drinks dehyrate you so technically its a negative -1 water drink if logging carfinated drinks in the Diary.0
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Cut out sodas etc and your water intake will go up...I believe coffee cannot be included as your required water intake...0
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Actually that's 100% wrong. Refer to the fact based information in this thread...the diuretic effect of caffeinated drinks does not exceed the hydrating effect of the drinks they are in by a LONG shot.Actually cafinated drinks dehyrate you so technically its a negative -1 water drink if logging carfinated drinks in the Diary.0 -
I'm not necessarily saying that you need to drink exactly 8 glasses of water per day because I do know that we get much of our water from the foods we eat. However, our culture is the most obese in the world and I attribute a lot of that to the fact that people aren't conscious of what they drink. I also think that drinking diuretics and thinking they are the same as water is a fallacy. I am not an expert and I don't claim to be one, but my common sense tells me that anything that causes your body to expel water is not equal to water.
I'd say people are obese more because people are not conscious of what they eat. in regards to content and portions.Yes, water has no calories so better to drink that than non diet soda or copious amounts of juice. But people have done studies on coffee consumption and have found that especially for people are are used to drinking coffee that the duretic effect is minimal. Links were posted earlier in this thread f you wish to look at them.
Sometimes things that seem like common sense get disproven.0 -
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oh goodness, I'm commenting simply because that was a very amusing 5 minutes of my life reading that.0
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