So, are eggs good or bad?

MizCJ84

One more thing,

While it is admirable that people make an effort to substantiate claims in a post with a reference, please don't undermine the process by linking a conflict of interest website. When the name of the website is "incredibleegg" and is owned by the American Egg Board, there is a very obvious bias that is not going to do much in terms of scientific substantiation of a claim.

Here is a short article on "egg yolk" from the Mayo Clinic (foreign heads of state pay through the nose to come to it to get themselves treated, that should give a heads up on where it fits as a medical institution):

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/cholesterol/HQ00608

Thank you for posting this. People jumped down my throat when I wrote about skipping on the "yucky yolk." It was just my personal opinion, and I've read plenty of research to substantiate claims against eating so many egg yolks. Don't get me wrong, I think one or two whole eggs per day is perfectly fine and they can offer some nutritional benefits. I choose not to eat very many egg yolks because, based on research I have done, I believe the bad outweighs the good in high doses.

I would also like to agree that posting a website link directly to the "incredibleegg" site is only going to get us to a page full of bias information. If you would like to prove a point, then please post an unbiased and credible source. I'm all for learning new things about health, but not from biased sources.

Apparently you missed the part about the chart, while being posted to the egg council site, is actually a USDA chart?
Source: U.S. Department of Agriculture, Agricultural Research Service, 2010. USDA National Nutrient Database

On the website this is identified clearly at the bottom of the chart. I guess you consider, as does the person you quoted, the USDA baised in favor of eggs??

I apologize, I must have missed your chart. You don't have to get upset with me, I just I always thought it was best to not eat more than 2 egg yolks per day. I'm not really worried about the cholesterol because I know that is a myth, but the fat can add up pretty fast. I like to get fat from other sources throughout the day like olive oil and nuts, not from a few eggs. Do you know if there is a recommendation on how many eggs per day one can consume? Maybe I've been wrong on this, and I'm wondering if there is a limit.

From what I've read, as many as five servings a week of 2 eggs at time is fine. Managing your fats/ calories is fine. What bugs me is when a food or part of a food is demonized and it is not based in fact. I'm not upset at all with you personally. I don't really know you and if I met you I'd probably really like you.

You are correct that 2 whole eggs per day is probably fine. The "Conventional Wisdom" is that is too much. I don't buy it. As you said the whole cholesterol thing has been so blown out of proportion without fact. In an article on The Framingham Heart Study, the doctor who was in charge of the study some years ago even espoused the fact that there had to be some dietary connection even though his own study for over 40 years at the time said differently. So no hard feelings and I hope I didn't create any. I do get a little passionate about the whole nutrition thing as it is part of my life work. And I enjoy a vigorous debate!

Oh no definitely no hard feelings here. I love a great debate as well! Truthfully, nutrition is so complicated and there is so much good information and MISinformation out there that it's had to separate the two sometimes. I was pretty much thinking along the same lines as you - two egg servings five days per week sounds perfect. Of course with any food moderation is key. I think that is the best thing we can all take away from this debate. Thanks for your educated opinion!

SirZee

Egg whites are good, yolks have some good in them too, but the bad makes it not worth it.

I've been eating 3 boiled eggs and a hand full of celery stalks for weekday lunch (at work) for the last couple years, chucking the yolk every time (and not worrying if little pieces of it remained). I work out during lunch--mostly weight training--and eat them after the workout. Been doing yearly cholesterol checks, and there isn't a difference in my before-eggs and after-eggs periods.

I started eating the eggs in earnest a couple years ago after reading an article about it. For a month I ate a tonn of eggs, like 12-15 a day, basically every time I'd feel hungry I'd eat one or two (WHITES only btw, no yolk). Lost 10 pounds fast, then it plateaud (plus my focus on the "an-egg-for-hunger-diet" dissipated).

Now that I started MFP calorie counting, I love how small the numeric impact is compared to how "not-hungry" I feel when eating my daily 3x boiled eggs minus yolk. I'm convinced that the key to long term success is finding other foods/groups that have low calorific/high I-feel-like-i-ate-a-bunch foods Eggs fit the bill perfectly, especially if you skip the yolk.

What is the Bad part you refer to in the yolk?

Ok, I'll use your chart for your convenience:

- calories, 55
- Total fat, 4.5g
- cholesterol 184mg

Well first, your assumption is that fat is bad and that is not true. Fat does not make you fat, nor, based on credible research as I refered to in an earlier post, does dietary cholesterol ahve any relationship to serum cholesterol.

Secondly, if you are going to use the chart give the whole story:
Whole Egg Egg White
Vitamin B12 .45 mg ..03
Folate 24 mg 1 mg
Vitamin D 41 mg 0
Vitamin A 270 mg 0
Vitamin B6 .09 mg 0
Vitamin E .05 mg 0
Selenium 15.4 mg 6.6 mg
Phosphorus 99 mg 5 mg
Iron .88 mg .03 mg
zinc .65 mg .01 mg
Calcium 28 mg 2 mg

A little different than how you misrepresented it. You want the lower calories of an egg white and are willing to sacrifice the rest of the nutrition, help yourself. I'll take all the goodness of the whole food and save on calories elsewhere.

Ps: sorry I cannot get this to format very well.

Ah, the prototypical "red herring". Side question, is this some sort of attempt to see how many logical fallacies you can fit into a single scenario?

I'll point back to my original statement "yolk has some good in it, but the bad makes it not worth it". You asked me what I found bad, I pointed it out for you. (Non Sequitur?) Not sure what grounds you claim "misrepresentation" is (argumentum ad ignorantiam? straw man argument? take your pick) . Neither are you definitive authority on whether my assumptions are good or bad, and a simple statement to say so does not a defense of your stance make. (argumentum ad verecundiam? )

I'm not primarily here to engage argumentative people, especially those that don't seem to understand the etiquette of intellectual debate (can't pass off fallacious arguments in an intelligent/respectful debate). You are entitled to your opinions and beliefs, and so are others, without the incredibly ignorant "not facts" labels, . Rest assured, your point of view is not the mainstream view of scientific research. I do applaud your strength and conviction for holding your ground for what you believe in, just wish you did it less abrasively, and more respectfully; it'd have a far better chance of being considered as persuasive defense of such stance.

SirZee

One more thing,

While it is admirable that people make an effort to substantiate claims in a post with a reference, please don't undermine the process by linking a conflict of interest website. When the name of the website is "incredibleegg" and is owned by the American Egg Board, there is a very obvious bias that is not going to do much in terms of scientific substantiation of a claim.

Here is a short article on "egg yolk" from the Mayo Clinic (foreign heads of state pay through the nose to come to it to get themselves treated, that should give a heads up on where it fits as a medical institution):

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/cholesterol/HQ00608

Thank you for posting this. People jumped down my throat when I wrote about skipping on the "yucky yolk." It was just my personal opinion, and I've read plenty of research to substantiate claims against eating so many egg yolks. Don't get me wrong, I think one or two whole eggs per day is perfectly fine and they can offer some nutritional benefits. I choose not to eat very many egg yolks because, based on research I have done, I believe the bad outweighs the good in high doses.

I would also like to agree that posting a website link directly to the "incredibleegg" site is only going to get us to a page full of bias information. If you would like to prove a point, then please post an unbiased and credible source. I'm all for learning new things about health, but not from biased sources.

That was my motivation to respond/get involved I don't like it when people try to bully others for their opinion (ESPECIALLY when that opinion reflects current scientific belief), leads to less discussion of opinions, which is about the only reason I could see for anyone to want to join a forum. In my opinion, encountering people of different opinions is always a good thing, and you'll end up learning something one way or another.

mmapags

Zoltan with all due respect my view is the mainstream view. Do yourself a favor and do a google search on eggs yolks and health and see what you come up with. You seem bent on adjusting the data to suite what you already believe instead of being interested in having your beliefs grow based on new information.

Excerpt from Livestong article entitled 5 Surprising Health Myths:

4. I could go on about this for days, but let me reiterate for the 985th time: Eggs are not bad for you, and the yolk will not skyrocket your cholesterol. There’s so much research that disproves the theory, that I could fill this entire article with links. In fact, not only has research shown no link between egg yolks causing cholesterol or heart problems, but researchers in Thailand found that eggs actually improve your HDL (the good cholesterol). When it comes to eggs, the only thing you really need to keep an eye on is the fat content and how it fits into your daily goals. (And yes, fat is fine. But too much of any nutrient is not good for you. So go egg crazy, but then cut back on the other sources of fat in your diet)


Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/blog/blog/5-surprising-health-myths/#ixzz1n8adl4Gc

Believe what you will.

maverick48

One more thing,

While it is admirable that people make an effort to substantiate claims in a post with a reference, please don't undermine the process by linking a conflict of interest website. When the name of the website is "incredibleegg" and is owned by the American Egg Board, there is a very obvious bias that is not going to do much in terms of scientific substantiation of a claim.

Here is a short article on "egg yolk" from the Mayo Clinic (foreign heads of state pay through the nose to come to it to get themselves treated, that should give a heads up on where it fits as a medical institution):

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/cholesterol/HQ00608

This is a false assumption. It goes without saying there are "biased" sources, but the issue is whether the information is credible i.e. peer reviewed, double blind, etc. There are plenty of biases to go around, to assume that information is misleading or false simply because the source has a interest in it is quite simply close minded and not a scientific argument.

Micheller1210

eggs good for you the yolk the best part, I love mine poached, on whole wheat dry toasted muffins or toast or rancheros, but in a restaurant i order egg white omelets.....not afraid of fats, just the bad kind.

Mom0fTwo

Talking about eggs always makes me wonder about the first man that ate an egg, and him explaining it to others, you want me to eat what?? and it came out of where??? LOL I love eggs and eat them everyday, people have been eating eggs forever, they cant be that bad. My personal fav, a fried egg burger mmmmmm