Does it REALLY matter where calories come from?

UponThisRock

If you want to sit down and measure out a pile of sugar to crunch on, baby stop that insanity.... its poison.

um...nobody does that

athensguy

I like linking to journals.

Low Carb study:
http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/88/4/1617.short

Maybe it's the protein instead of the lack of carbs?:
http://www.ajcn.org/content/82/1/41.short
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0031938498000614

Don't forget that alcohol is one of the four macronutrients, and you shouldn't leave it out of your diet entirely:
http://eurheartj.oxfordjournals.org/content/29/2/204.abstract

eve7166

I do not know where everyone is coming up that sugar doesnt make a difference..YES IT DOES... Sugar TURNS TO FAT..so in essence no you are not eating in calorie form but the sugar will eventually turn to fat if not burned off either... your body can not burn more then one thing at a time and will go for easiest burn first...

Hence why things that are low/fat free still are BAD for you becuase of all the sugar....

However I do not think that fruit sugars are equal to table sugar your body burns fruit sugars at a different rate.

Anyhow thats my two cents.,... I would talk to a dietician and do more research ...

yoovie

First off, your body DOES have use for sugar.

I didnt say fructose, I didnt say glucose, I say plain white sugar. Of COURSE there are many kinds of sugar thatyour body needs. I specified one.

Weight loss DOES have to do with numbers. That's why the Twinkie diet and other crap weight-loss programs can work. It's thermodynamics. Is it healthy? No. Does a calorie deficit make you lose weight even when it's unhealthy? Yes.

correct also. I said its not JUST a numbers game and you cant just play it and expect it to just be handed to you. You have to be smart and still allow a margi of error for your body taking its own time to adjust as you change your diet. If you say to yourself- Im going to burn 3500 calories today and that will guarantee that I will lose one pound- then youre just playing the numbers game.

You aren't truly paying attention to all the science.

As long as you're not shorting yourself with micro-nutrients, you can eat whatever you want depending on your activity level, allergic reactions and tolerance levels for certain foods. When I was training for triathlons, I didn't have a day when I ate under 5,000 calories and yet I was still losing weight. I was eating pizza, ice cream, burgers, etc. I was also having blood work done constantly from my doctor and my cholesterol levels at the time were the lowest they'd seen in years. (less than 120)

that is incredible fortunate for you- but not every person is the same.

And finally, most of the research done on what happens with sugar and cola intake has two major problems:

1) It's usually in massive amounts that aren't realistic, very similar to aspartame studies that show how dangerous it is

and

2) It's ingested by itself. Who sits down at the kitchen table and takes teaspoons of sugar and eats them without anything else? Mixing that sugar with protein, fat or complex carbs changes the insulin response to the whole meal.

unfortunately- I know several sick sick sick individuals that measure out a cup of sugar and eat it with a spoon after work because they think it is healthier than eating a candy bar.

First time I heard that- I wanted to die a little.

How can you even??? crunchcrunchcrunch

VOMIT

yoovie

If you want to sit down and measure out a pile of sugar to crunch on, baby stop that insanity.... its poison.

um...nobody does that

unfortunately- yes- there are some sick individuals that are addicted to pure white sugar and I hear from them all the time- and it never ceases to shock me. Its a bit terrifying.

Sidesteal

I do not know where everyone is coming up that sugar doesnt make a difference..YES IT DOES... Sugar TURNS TO FAT..so in essence no you are not eating in calorie form but the sugar will eventually turn to fat if not burned off either... your body can not burn more then one thing at a time and will go for easiest burn first...

But trying to micromanage the acute process of fat loss is silly. In a caloric deficit, fat oxidation exceeds fat storage.
Once again:

http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319

eve7166

and if all else fails try it out for yourself and see if it makes a difference for you or not... I just went back and read some post and it seems we have a lot of people with PHDs on Nutrition in here... GL!

Sidesteal

http://www.fitnesstipsforlife.com/the-effect-of-coca-cola-on-your-body.html <~ easy source reference

Im not saying you are wrong- Im telling you that white sugar, because it was broken down from its original structure- which included the thigs necessary tobreak it down- leaves it as a poiison- and here is why- if you really truly care and aren't being a troll.

Blog =/= science. If you have any actual research I would say that you may have something to back up your claim that sugar is a poison.

yoovie

not sure why Im the bad guy here.

seriously I thought we were all hoping to learn more so we could succeed here.

The snark and negative reception of strangers here is embarassing.

Im going to go take a shirtless pic so I can get some respect.

Luke, darlin, the best answer is always the smartest one- and dont ever take shortcuts. Nothing worth it, has shortcuts.

And I listed my sources - Dr William Coda Martin and William Dufty =/= a blog just because I listed them in writing.

How else did you want me to show you- you want me to telepathically imprint their names on your brain?

lukeout007

not sure why Im the bad guy here.

seriously I thought we were all hoping to learn more so we could succeed here.

The snark and negative reception of strangers here is embarassing.

Im going to go take a shirtless pic so I can get some respect.

Luke, darlin, the best answer is always the smartest one- and dont ever take shortcuts. Nothing worth it, has shortcuts.

And I listed my sources - Dr William Coda Martin and William Dufty =/= a blog just because I listed them in writing.

How else did you want me to show you- you want me to telepathically imprint their names on your brain?

You may be my new favorite person on here. Seriously.

And thank you for the long and incredibly detailed response above. It does make sense and I will definitely keep watch on my sugar intake.

yoovie

best answer today.
*gold star*

Cindym82

sounds like someone is on their 28 day cycle....

MrsCon40

Calories ----> Weight change
Macronutrient totals

---

> Body Composition
Micronutrients

---

> Health


And this assumes sensibility as it pertains to an individuals medical conditions or allergies/intolerances.

Lastly, losing weight improves health markers by itself.

And this would be your first mistake, my friend...

Rae6503

I really like this article:

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/how-we-get-fat.html

It's not a "book". If you are interested in how the body works and store / uses different nutrients I'd highly recommend reading it.

Contrarian

gfy?

I am going to assume that means "Go Forth, Youngster!"

egelderm

yeaaa! 1,000 cal. from fruit/veggies/whole grains/ real not processed food ( and no, not refined "whole grains" in cereals <----those will kill any diet) is a lot better than 1,000 from pizza. The healthier food is full of nutrients your body needs to sustain itself... if you ate the pizza for instance, you would end up having to eat even more food to get those nutrients from elsewhere, instead of getting them in the first place. When your body doesn't get filled with good nutrients and stuff it needs to begin with, that's when cravings start. So, eating REAL and healthy food with GOOD calories does matter, and will allow you to maintain your weightloss. I'm very close to my weight goal. I eat vegetables/fruits nonstop all day! and it's great and working!!!

lukeout007

gfy?

I am going to assume that means "Go Forth, Youngster!"

In the vein of MFP...I was thinking "Get fit yo!"

Faintgreeneyes

Umm, yes it does matter. Not all calories are the same. If you want to lose weight you will need to ease off the sugar. And remember sometimes you might not see a drop on the scale right away, it does take time. But again if you are eating bad foods then you will not see any progress.

How was it that I ate ice cream and still lost weight?

You can have a cheat meal and still lose weight. You can't eat ice cream all day everyday and expect to lose weight.

<--- I eat ice cream twice a day, don't track my sugars and still lose weight. It's all cals in/cals out. If you eat at a deficit you will lose weight- doesn't matter what those cals are made up of. Will you feel like crap if you only ate sugar, probably. You could also get scurvy that way- but bottom line is, it won't effect weight loss.

yummy♥

Im sorry if sometimes you have to read a goddamn book if you want sources- you trolls always want a link cause you're too lazy to stand up to check out something for yourself.

if it isnt a link, it isnt proof.

gfy

foyc.

Contrarian

gfy?

I am going to assume that means "Go Forth, Youngster!"

In the vein of MFP...I was thinking "Get fit yo!"

You might be correct. Or perhaps it means "Go find Yemen!"

Sl1ghtly

So.. where is the shirtless pic?

SofaKingRad

What does Dr. Oz say about this?

lukeout007

Im sorry if sometimes you have to read a goddamn book if you want sources- you trolls always want a link cause you're too lazy to stand up to check out something for yourself.

if it isnt a link, it isnt proof.

gfy

foyc.

*found out you're correct*?

lukeout007

So.. where is the shirtless pic?

Sorry Yoovie...now THAT is the best comment of the day.

IronmanPanda

Im sorry if sometimes you have to read a goddamn book if you want sources- you trolls always want a link cause you're too lazy to stand up to check out something for yourself.

if it isnt a link, it isnt proof.

gfy

I'm not friends with Sidesteal but from history of posts he is one of the most informed members on this site that is always very thorough in his research and posts.

Rae6503

It makes the whole difference.
empty calories vs nutritious calories.
do you wanna be fit and healthy?
or do you wanna be malnourished and too weak to appreciate any accidental weight loss?

Pretty sure I'm not malnourished and weak....

RainAndPain

you don't want to go over sodium cause it makes you retain water and so does sugar, which will make you bloated and actually weight more even if you stay under your calorie goal. Do you track your sugar and sodium?

This is completely worthless unless you actually care about losing and gaining water weight. I think most of us actually prefer fat loss.

Well, water weight makes you bloated and look bigger. Sure, fat loss is most important. But you don't wanna look and feel bloated because you're eating too much salt and/or sugar.

chevy88grl

For me it is all about calories in/calories out. I'm healthy (and have all the test results to prove it!) and am happy because I can still have the things I REALLY love.


So, the way I see it? You can be healthy and still enjoy some of the foods you love, just do so in moderation.


End of story for me. I don't care what this study or that study says. I care about the blood work and test results I have and how I feel.

BondBomb

Im sorry if sometimes you have to read a goddamn book if you want sources- you trolls always want a link cause you're too lazy to stand up to check out something for yourself.

if it isnt a link, it isnt proof.

gfy

I'm not friends with Sidesteal but from history of posts he is one of the most informed members on this site that is always very thorough in his research and posts.

Agreed.

yoovie

Im sorry if sometimes you have to read a goddamn book if you want sources- you trolls always want a link cause you're too lazy to stand up to check out something for yourself.

if it isnt a link, it isnt proof.

gfy

I'm not friends with Sidesteal but from history of posts he is one of the most informed members on this site that is always very thorough in his research and posts.

Thats absolutely wonderful! When I find people I come across on here who are informed and carry tact so that their message can be heard- I totally save them or at the very least- look forward to reading their posts when I encounter them.

But people who assume everyone that havent spoken to is a retard that has no idea what they are talking about, well, I tend to do my best not to waste energy trying to discuss things with them.

Some people love to hear what others know, some people love to share information, some people love exploring opposing sides...

and some people learn how to argue so that even if the other person's point is valid, they still want to make them look as though they cannot argue a point- so they attack grammar- or placement of sources, or want a link instead of names.

And some people just like to join a weight loss site- so they can steal before photos and make memes from those who are here trying.

I dont know which he is, and if I come across him several times and he seems to me like someone who is well informed and wants to be helpful- then awesome. If not- awesome as well- he owes me nothing.

But there are trolls on this site. And there are troll groupies.