Low-Carb
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Same here.I try to have better carbs vs low carbs: lots of veggies!
When I eat grains, I eat whole grain only.
I limit pasta and bread to about once a week but find that I don't crave it anymore. I was a carb addict.0 -
I don't want to get in to the entire physiology of blood, and disease. I'll just say this, people who have sugar issues i.e. insulin dependent rarely die of heart attack. People who die of heart attacks rarely have any insulin issues.
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Leading casue of death for diabetics is heart disease.
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Balance and good decisions. Isn't that really the key to most things in life though?
And to get back to this, the reason I have written off the whole hypothesis that excess calorie consumption causes obesity is because of the complete failure of individuals in controlling it. How can such a simple concept be so difficult if not for external forces outside of the individual's control?
For example, I can feel lazy as crap but somehow drag myself out of the house at 9pm and run 8 miles on the treadmill for my upcoming marathon training. Now that's willpower.
Yet when I eat 2-3 slices of pizza, I find it impossible to keep myself from raiding the refrigerator later that night. What could cause this other than some weird physiological response to the food I ate earlier? I don't have these late night binges when I restrict my carbs at dinner time.0 -
I have been on the Atkins diet twice. True, if you go off it for long periods of time, you will start to gain weight back - as is the same with ANY diet. Trick is, to find a healthy eating habit that works best for you, and you will never have to "diet" again. My 76 year old mother went on Atkins a year ago, starting out at around 200 lbs. Her doctor told her she had high cholesterol and also needed to lose weight. And she had a hard time breathing and would tire easy. One year later, she has lost 50+ lbs and has been given a healthy bill of heath - maintaining her current weight! Her cholesterol has lowered, she can breath better, and has more energy than ever. I lost 40 lbs myself and found it very easy to keep off. The basics to a low carb "way of life" is basically cutting out white breads/flour, SUGAR, starches, and all the manufactured "crap" full of chemicals that society is filled with today! Once you have initiated the Ketosis stage, you gradually add in the good healthy foods a little at a time (berries, nuts, grains, etc). And, how hard is it to eat out when all you need is to find a place that serves FRESH fish, poultry, beef, pork, eggs, etc and FRESH veggies? It's really not that hard!0
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Balance and good decisions. Isn't that really the key to most things in life though?
And to get back to this, the reason I have written off the whole hypothesis that excess calorie consumption causes obesity is because of the complete failure of individuals in controlling it. How can such a simple concept be so difficult if not for external forces outside of the individual's control?
For example, I can feel lazy as crap but somehow drag myself out of the house at 9pm and run 8 miles on the treadmill for my upcoming marathon training. Now that's willpower.
Yet when I eat 2-3 slices of pizza, I find it impossible to keep myself from raiding the refrigerator later that night. What could cause this other than some weird physiological response to the food I ate earlier? I don't have these late night binges when I restrict my carbs at dinner time.
First, I could easily put on weight with a low-carb / carb-cycling plan I have it at home in a binder actually. You can get obsese on a low-carb plan, no problem. Again, managing your total calories in conjunction with managing your macro nutrients around good carb, good fat, and good protein sources is key. You can do low-carb and be successful or you can do a more balanced plan and be successful. Making stupid diet decisions, that we all make at times, is what causes problems.0 -
This is a really good discussion, I have tried the paleo and it really works well for lowering my blood sugar (I am a type 2). It also improves most of my blood work. Robb Wolf (paleo guy www.robbwolf.com) and Dr. Bernstein's Diabetic Solution both do a great job of explaining the biochemical aspects of low carb.
My feelings...do your research and do what works well for you, but be sure it is sustainable.0 -
Thanks for all the advice and information.
I guess I should have also stated that I'm a vegetarian (well.. I recently added tuna fish into my diet) and I don't eat any white bread, rice, etc. Only whole wheat.0 -
I agree with it, but not really. After i typed what i said(what you're quoting) I thought about it, it didn't make too much sense. I think i mixed things up. Let me check my resources, okay yeah I said it incorrectly.0 -
74% of the population will due good on low carb,
95% of statistics are made up.0 -
74% of the population will due good on low carb,
95% of statistics are made up.
Word.
The key to reviewing studies is first finding out who sponsored the study. Ideally you want a sponsor that has no skin in the game.0 -
That's the other side of the argument. Yes there cultures who eat carbohydrates without obesity, but there are no cultures who are obese without eating an abundance of carbohydrates.
Please take a logic class.0 -
I think it depends on the person. For me I have MORE energy when on a low carb diet. In fact, I feel great in general on them. However, I have realized that it must be a lifestyle choice, not a temporary fix, because as it's been said, if you go back to eating carbs like you were before, you WILL gain weight back plus some. I have felt great eating more fats and proteins and a very small amount of carbs. I know a lot of people say they can't workout as hard without carbs, but I can work out harder without them. Test it out and see how your body reacts. My attitude is that I want to do something I feel good doing, not something I'm going to feel miserable over, because I'm not going to keep the habits if I hate doing it.
This is true for me also! More energy without them to exercise and feel better on them! Not a diet, a lifestyle choice...!0 -
Balance and good decisions. Isn't that really the key to most things in life though?
And to get back to this, the reason I have written off the whole hypothesis that excess calorie consumption causes obesity is because of the complete failure of individuals in controlling it. How can such a simple concept be so difficult if not for external forces outside of the individual's control?
For example, I can feel lazy as crap but somehow drag myself out of the house at 9pm and run 8 miles on the treadmill for my upcoming marathon training. Now that's willpower.
Yet when I eat 2-3 slices of pizza, I find it impossible to keep myself from raiding the refrigerator later that night. What could cause this other than some weird physiological response to the food I ate earlier? I don't have these late night binges when I restrict my carbs at dinner time.
First, I could easily put on weight with a low-carb / carb-cycling plan I have it at home in a binder actually. You can get obsese on a low-carb plan, no problem. Again, managing your total calories in conjunction with managing your macro nutrients around good carb, good fat, and good protein sources is key. You can do low-carb and be successful or you can do a more balanced plan and be successful. Making stupid diet decisions, that we all make at times, is what causes problems.
Well I've been visiting various low-carb forums for a while and I have never seen a single anecdote of someone who faithfully followed a low-carb diet long term and became obese while doing so. And I'm talking about people who eat low-carb long term and never count calories. I've seen people who go out of their way to eat tons of fat because they are misinformed that they can eat unlimited amounts, but then gain 5-10 lbs before they realize the error of their ways. If it was necessary to restrict calories, then everyone who lives in the USA but doesn't restrict them should be fat. At a minimum, everyone who eats low-carb should still be getting fatter by simply substituting carbs with more fat.0 -
Well there is no evidence that can say whether low-carb diets are good or bad long term, but the anecdotal evidence seems to show that most people improve health on low-carb diets.
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v61/n5/abs/1602557a.html
Results: During 113 230 persons years of follow-up, there were 455 deaths. In models with energy adjustment, higher intake of carbohydrates was associated with significant reduction of total mortality, whereas higher intake of protein was associated with nonsignificant increase of total mortality (per decile, mortality ratios 0.94 with 95% CI 0.89 –0.99, and 1.02 with 95% CI 0.98 –1.07 respectively). Even more predictive of higher mortality were high values of the additive low carbohydrate–high protein score (per 5 units, mortality ratio 1.22 with 95% CI 1.09 –to 1.36). Positive associations of this score were noted with respect to both cardiovascular and cancer mortality.
Conclusion: Prolonged consumption of diets low in carbohydrates and high in protein is associated with an increase in total mortality0 -
Well there is no evidence that can say whether low-carb diets are good or bad long term, but the anecdotal evidence seems to show that most people improve health on low-carb diets.
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v61/n5/abs/1602557a.html
Results: During 113 230 persons years of follow-up, there were 455 deaths. In models with energy adjustment, higher intake of carbohydrates was associated with significant reduction of total mortality, whereas higher intake of protein was associated with nonsignificant increase of total mortality (per decile, mortality ratios 0.94 with 95% CI 0.89 –0.99, and 1.02 with 95% CI 0.98 –1.07 respectively). Even more predictive of higher mortality were high values of the additive low carbohydrate–high protein score (per 5 units, mortality ratio 1.22 with 95% CI 1.09 –to 1.36). Positive associations of this score were noted with respect to both cardiovascular and cancer mortality.
Conclusion: Prolonged consumption of diets low in carbohydrates and high in protein is associated with an increase in total mortality
Sorry your evidence is not very compelling.Low-carbohydrate, high-protein score and mortality in a northern Swedish population-based cohort
L M Nilsson, A Winkvist, M Eliasson, J-H Jansson, G Hallmans, I Johansson, B Lindahl, P Lenner and B Van Guelpen
Abstract
BACKGROUND/OBJECTIVE:
Long-term effects of carbohydrate-restricted diets are unclear. We examined a low-carbohydrate, high-protein (LCHP) score in relation to mortality.
SUBJECTS/METHODS:
This is a population-based cohort study on adults in the northern Swedish county of Västerbotten. In 37 639 men (1460 deaths) and 39 680 women (923 deaths) from the population-based Västerbotten Intervention Program, deciles of energy-adjusted carbohydrate (descending) and protein (ascending) intake were added to create an LCHP score (2–20 points). Sex-specific hazard ratios (HR) were calculated by Cox regression.
RESULTS:
Median intakes of carbohydrates, protein and fat in subjects with LCHP scores 2–20 ranged from 61.0% to 38.6%, 11.3% to 19.2% and 26.6% to 41.5% of total energy intake, respectively. High LCHP score (14–20 points) did not predict all-cause mortality compared with low LCHP score (2–8 points), after accounting for saturated fat intake and established risk factors (men: HR for high vs low 1.03 (95% confidence interval (CI) 0.88–1.20), P for continuous=0.721; women: HR for high vs low 1.10 (95% CI 0.91–1.32), P for continuous=0.229). For cancer and cardiovascular disease, no clear associations were found. Carbohydrate intake was inversely associated with all-cause mortality, though only statistically significant in women (multivariate HR per decile increase 0.95 (95% CI 0.91–0.99), P=0.010).
CONCLUSION:
Our results do not support a clear, general association between LCHP score and mortality. Studies encompassing a wider range of macronutrient consumption may be necessary to detect such an association.
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/ejcn20129a.html0 -
Well there is no evidence that can say whether low-carb diets are good or bad long term, but the anecdotal evidence seems to show that most people improve health on low-carb diets.
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v61/n5/abs/1602557a.html
Results: During 113 230 persons years of follow-up, there were 455 deaths. In models with energy adjustment, higher intake of carbohydrates was associated with significant reduction of total mortality, whereas higher intake of protein was associated with nonsignificant increase of total mortality (per decile, mortality ratios 0.94 with 95% CI 0.89 –0.99, and 1.02 with 95% CI 0.98 –1.07 respectively). Even more predictive of higher mortality were high values of the additive low carbohydrate–high protein score (per 5 units, mortality ratio 1.22 with 95% CI 1.09 –to 1.36). Positive associations of this score were noted with respect to both cardiovascular and cancer mortality.
Conclusion: Prolonged consumption of diets low in carbohydrates and high in protein is associated with an increase in total mortality
Sorry your evidence is not very compelling.Low-carbohydrate, high-protein score and mortality in a northern Swedish population-based cohort
L M Nilsson, A Winkvist, M Eliasson, J-H Jansson, G Hallmans, I Johansson, B Lindahl, P Lenner and B Van Guelpen
Abstract
BACKGROUND/OBJECTIVE:
Long-term effects of carbohydrate-restricted diets are unclear. We examined a low-carbohydrate, high-protein (LCHP) score in relation to mortality.
SUBJECTS/METHODS:
This is a population-based cohort study on adults in the northern Swedish county of Västerbotten. In 37 639 men (1460 deaths) and 39 680 women (923 deaths) from the population-based Västerbotten Intervention Program, deciles of energy-adjusted carbohydrate (descending) and protein (ascending) intake were added to create an LCHP score (2–20 points). Sex-specific hazard ratios (HR) were calculated by Cox regression.
RESULTS:
Median intakes of carbohydrates, protein and fat in subjects with LCHP scores 2–20 ranged from 61.0% to 38.6%, 11.3% to 19.2% and 26.6% to 41.5% of total energy intake, respectively. High LCHP score (14–20 points) did not predict all-cause mortality compared with low LCHP score (2–8 points), after accounting for saturated fat intake and established risk factors (men: HR for high vs low 1.03 (95% confidence interval (CI) 0.88–1.20), P for continuous=0.721; women: HR for high vs low 1.10 (95% CI 0.91–1.32), P for continuous=0.229). For cancer and cardiovascular disease, no clear associations were found. Carbohydrate intake was inversely associated with all-cause mortality, though only statistically significant in women (multivariate HR per decile increase 0.95 (95% CI 0.91–0.99), P=0.010).
CONCLUSION:
Our results do not support a clear, general association between LCHP score and mortality. Studies encompassing a wider range of macronutrient consumption may be necessary to detect such an association.
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/ejcn20129a.html
I didn't have anything to do with the study. You said there was no evidence, and here it is. Is it a "clear, general association"? No, but it is an association, nonetheless. Perhaps you meant there is no conclusive evidence?0 -
Well there is no evidence that can say whether low-carb diets are good or bad long term, but the anecdotal evidence seems to show that most people improve health on low-carb diets.
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v61/n5/abs/1602557a.html
Results: During 113 230 persons years of follow-up, there were 455 deaths. In models with energy adjustment, higher intake of carbohydrates was associated with significant reduction of total mortality, whereas higher intake of protein was associated with nonsignificant increase of total mortality (per decile, mortality ratios 0.94 with 95% CI 0.89 –0.99, and 1.02 with 95% CI 0.98 –1.07 respectively). Even more predictive of higher mortality were high values of the additive low carbohydrate–high protein score (per 5 units, mortality ratio 1.22 with 95% CI 1.09 –to 1.36). Positive associations of this score were noted with respect to both cardiovascular and cancer mortality.
Conclusion: Prolonged consumption of diets low in carbohydrates and high in protein is associated with an increase in total mortality
Sorry your evidence is not very compelling.Low-carbohydrate, high-protein score and mortality in a northern Swedish population-based cohort
L M Nilsson, A Winkvist, M Eliasson, J-H Jansson, G Hallmans, I Johansson, B Lindahl, P Lenner and B Van Guelpen
Abstract
BACKGROUND/OBJECTIVE:
Long-term effects of carbohydrate-restricted diets are unclear. We examined a low-carbohydrate, high-protein (LCHP) score in relation to mortality.
SUBJECTS/METHODS:
This is a population-based cohort study on adults in the northern Swedish county of Västerbotten. In 37 639 men (1460 deaths) and 39 680 women (923 deaths) from the population-based Västerbotten Intervention Program, deciles of energy-adjusted carbohydrate (descending) and protein (ascending) intake were added to create an LCHP score (2–20 points). Sex-specific hazard ratios (HR) were calculated by Cox regression.
RESULTS:
Median intakes of carbohydrates, protein and fat in subjects with LCHP scores 2–20 ranged from 61.0% to 38.6%, 11.3% to 19.2% and 26.6% to 41.5% of total energy intake, respectively. High LCHP score (14–20 points) did not predict all-cause mortality compared with low LCHP score (2–8 points), after accounting for saturated fat intake and established risk factors (men: HR for high vs low 1.03 (95% confidence interval (CI) 0.88–1.20), P for continuous=0.721; women: HR for high vs low 1.10 (95% CI 0.91–1.32), P for continuous=0.229). For cancer and cardiovascular disease, no clear associations were found. Carbohydrate intake was inversely associated with all-cause mortality, though only statistically significant in women (multivariate HR per decile increase 0.95 (95% CI 0.91–0.99), P=0.010).
CONCLUSION:
Our results do not support a clear, general association between LCHP score and mortality. Studies encompassing a wider range of macronutrient consumption may be necessary to detect such an association.
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/ejcn20129a.html
I didn't have anything to do with the study. You said there was no evidence, and here it is. Is it a "clear, general association"? No, but it is an association, nonetheless. Perhaps you meant there is no conclusive evidence?
No compelling evidence. I'm certainly not going to recommend anybody avoid low-carb diets because of the study you posted. There are plenty of studies showing how low-carb diets can improve health.0 -
Well there is no evidence that can say whether low-carb diets are good or bad long term, but the anecdotal evidence seems to show that most people improve health on low-carb diets.
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v61/n5/abs/1602557a.html
Results: During 113 230 persons years of follow-up, there were 455 deaths. In models with energy adjustment, higher intake of carbohydrates was associated with significant reduction of total mortality, whereas higher intake of protein was associated with nonsignificant increase of total mortality (per decile, mortality ratios 0.94 with 95% CI 0.89 –0.99, and 1.02 with 95% CI 0.98 –1.07 respectively). Even more predictive of higher mortality were high values of the additive low carbohydrate–high protein score (per 5 units, mortality ratio 1.22 with 95% CI 1.09 –to 1.36). Positive associations of this score were noted with respect to both cardiovascular and cancer mortality.
Conclusion: Prolonged consumption of diets low in carbohydrates and high in protein is associated with an increase in total mortality
Sorry your evidence is not very compelling.Low-carbohydrate, high-protein score and mortality in a northern Swedish population-based cohort
L M Nilsson, A Winkvist, M Eliasson, J-H Jansson, G Hallmans, I Johansson, B Lindahl, P Lenner and B Van Guelpen
Abstract
BACKGROUND/OBJECTIVE:
Long-term effects of carbohydrate-restricted diets are unclear. We examined a low-carbohydrate, high-protein (LCHP) score in relation to mortality.
SUBJECTS/METHODS:
This is a population-based cohort study on adults in the northern Swedish county of Västerbotten. In 37 639 men (1460 deaths) and 39 680 women (923 deaths) from the population-based Västerbotten Intervention Program, deciles of energy-adjusted carbohydrate (descending) and protein (ascending) intake were added to create an LCHP score (2–20 points). Sex-specific hazard ratios (HR) were calculated by Cox regression.
RESULTS:
Median intakes of carbohydrates, protein and fat in subjects with LCHP scores 2–20 ranged from 61.0% to 38.6%, 11.3% to 19.2% and 26.6% to 41.5% of total energy intake, respectively. High LCHP score (14–20 points) did not predict all-cause mortality compared with low LCHP score (2–8 points), after accounting for saturated fat intake and established risk factors (men: HR for high vs low 1.03 (95% confidence interval (CI) 0.88–1.20), P for continuous=0.721; women: HR for high vs low 1.10 (95% CI 0.91–1.32), P for continuous=0.229). For cancer and cardiovascular disease, no clear associations were found. Carbohydrate intake was inversely associated with all-cause mortality, though only statistically significant in women (multivariate HR per decile increase 0.95 (95% CI 0.91–0.99), P=0.010).
CONCLUSION:
Our results do not support a clear, general association between LCHP score and mortality. Studies encompassing a wider range of macronutrient consumption may be necessary to detect such an association.
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/ejcn20129a.html
I didn't have anything to do with the study. You said there was no evidence, and here it is. Is it a "clear, general association"? No, but it is an association, nonetheless. Perhaps you meant there is no conclusive evidence?
No compelling evidence. I'm certainly not going to recommend anybody avoid low-carb diets because of the study you posted. There are plenty of studies showing how low-carb diets can improve health.
Long term? If a person is overweight and diets to lose weight, there's a very good chance their health will improve no matter what method they use. I'm not recommending low carb, high carb or moderate carb. I believe there is no "best diet" except on an individual basis. I was just refuting your statement that there is no evidence. With very (if any) few exceptions, one study should never be reason for recommending a change in diet. But it is evidence.0 -
Well there is no evidence that can say whether low-carb diets are good or bad long term, but the anecdotal evidence seems to show that most people improve health on low-carb diets.
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v61/n5/abs/1602557a.html
Results: During 113 230 persons years of follow-up, there were 455 deaths. In models with energy adjustment, higher intake of carbohydrates was associated with significant reduction of total mortality, whereas higher intake of protein was associated with nonsignificant increase of total mortality (per decile, mortality ratios 0.94 with 95% CI 0.89 –0.99, and 1.02 with 95% CI 0.98 –1.07 respectively). Even more predictive of higher mortality were high values of the additive low carbohydrate–high protein score (per 5 units, mortality ratio 1.22 with 95% CI 1.09 –to 1.36). Positive associations of this score were noted with respect to both cardiovascular and cancer mortality.
Conclusion: Prolonged consumption of diets low in carbohydrates and high in protein is associated with an increase in total mortality
Sorry your evidence is not very compelling.Low-carbohydrate, high-protein score and mortality in a northern Swedish population-based cohort
L M Nilsson, A Winkvist, M Eliasson, J-H Jansson, G Hallmans, I Johansson, B Lindahl, P Lenner and B Van Guelpen
Abstract
BACKGROUND/OBJECTIVE:
Long-term effects of carbohydrate-restricted diets are unclear. We examined a low-carbohydrate, high-protein (LCHP) score in relation to mortality.
SUBJECTS/METHODS:
This is a population-based cohort study on adults in the northern Swedish county of Västerbotten. In 37 639 men (1460 deaths) and 39 680 women (923 deaths) from the population-based Västerbotten Intervention Program, deciles of energy-adjusted carbohydrate (descending) and protein (ascending) intake were added to create an LCHP score (2–20 points). Sex-specific hazard ratios (HR) were calculated by Cox regression.
RESULTS:
Median intakes of carbohydrates, protein and fat in subjects with LCHP scores 2–20 ranged from 61.0% to 38.6%, 11.3% to 19.2% and 26.6% to 41.5% of total energy intake, respectively. High LCHP score (14–20 points) did not predict all-cause mortality compared with low LCHP score (2–8 points), after accounting for saturated fat intake and established risk factors (men: HR for high vs low 1.03 (95% confidence interval (CI) 0.88–1.20), P for continuous=0.721; women: HR for high vs low 1.10 (95% CI 0.91–1.32), P for continuous=0.229). For cancer and cardiovascular disease, no clear associations were found. Carbohydrate intake was inversely associated with all-cause mortality, though only statistically significant in women (multivariate HR per decile increase 0.95 (95% CI 0.91–0.99), P=0.010).
CONCLUSION:
Our results do not support a clear, general association between LCHP score and mortality. Studies encompassing a wider range of macronutrient consumption may be necessary to detect such an association.
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/ejcn20129a.html
I didn't have anything to do with the study. You said there was no evidence, and here it is. Is it a "clear, general association"? No, but it is an association, nonetheless. Perhaps you meant there is no conclusive evidence?
No compelling evidence. I'm certainly not going to recommend anybody avoid low-carb diets because of the study you posted. There are plenty of studies showing how low-carb diets can improve health.
Long term? If a person is overweight and diets to lose weight, there's a very good chance their health will improve no matter what method they use. I'm not recommending low carb, high carb or moderate carb. I believe there is no "best diet" except on an individual basis. I was just refuting your statement that there is no evidence. With very (if any) few exceptions, one study should never be reason for recommending a change in diet. But it is evidence.
Low carb diets improve cardiovascular health even without weight loss. Below there is a study linked in the article. I'm not going by one study. I've found plenty of studies claiming both sides of the argument. If low-carb was bad, then there wouldn't be so many people out there who have had seemingly miraculous improvements in health almost immediately.
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/science/a/lowcarbcholest.htm
Here's the real question. I myself cannot even sustain a diet high in carbohydrates without failing and gaining weight, so why on earth would I promote that diet to anyone else?0 -
Well there is no evidence that can say whether low-carb diets are good or bad long term, but the anecdotal evidence seems to show that most people improve health on low-carb diets.
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v61/n5/abs/1602557a.html
Results: During 113 230 persons years of follow-up, there were 455 deaths. In models with energy adjustment, higher intake of carbohydrates was associated with significant reduction of total mortality, whereas higher intake of protein was associated with nonsignificant increase of total mortality (per decile, mortality ratios 0.94 with 95% CI 0.89 –0.99, and 1.02 with 95% CI 0.98 –1.07 respectively). Even more predictive of higher mortality were high values of the additive low carbohydrate–high protein score (per 5 units, mortality ratio 1.22 with 95% CI 1.09 –to 1.36). Positive associations of this score were noted with respect to both cardiovascular and cancer mortality.
Conclusion: Prolonged consumption of diets low in carbohydrates and high in protein is associated with an increase in total mortality
Sorry your evidence is not very compelling.Low-carbohydrate, high-protein score and mortality in a northern Swedish population-based cohort
L M Nilsson, A Winkvist, M Eliasson, J-H Jansson, G Hallmans, I Johansson, B Lindahl, P Lenner and B Van Guelpen
Abstract
BACKGROUND/OBJECTIVE:
Long-term effects of carbohydrate-restricted diets are unclear. We examined a low-carbohydrate, high-protein (LCHP) score in relation to mortality.
SUBJECTS/METHODS:
This is a population-based cohort study on adults in the northern Swedish county of Västerbotten. In 37 639 men (1460 deaths) and 39 680 women (923 deaths) from the population-based Västerbotten Intervention Program, deciles of energy-adjusted carbohydrate (descending) and protein (ascending) intake were added to create an LCHP score (2–20 points). Sex-specific hazard ratios (HR) were calculated by Cox regression.
RESULTS:
Median intakes of carbohydrates, protein and fat in subjects with LCHP scores 2–20 ranged from 61.0% to 38.6%, 11.3% to 19.2% and 26.6% to 41.5% of total energy intake, respectively. High LCHP score (14–20 points) did not predict all-cause mortality compared with low LCHP score (2–8 points), after accounting for saturated fat intake and established risk factors (men: HR for high vs low 1.03 (95% confidence interval (CI) 0.88–1.20), P for continuous=0.721; women: HR for high vs low 1.10 (95% CI 0.91–1.32), P for continuous=0.229). For cancer and cardiovascular disease, no clear associations were found. Carbohydrate intake was inversely associated with all-cause mortality, though only statistically significant in women (multivariate HR per decile increase 0.95 (95% CI 0.91–0.99), P=0.010).
CONCLUSION:
Our results do not support a clear, general association between LCHP score and mortality. Studies encompassing a wider range of macronutrient consumption may be necessary to detect such an association.
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/ejcn20129a.html
I didn't have anything to do with the study. You said there was no evidence, and here it is. Is it a "clear, general association"? No, but it is an association, nonetheless. Perhaps you meant there is no conclusive evidence?
No compelling evidence. I'm certainly not going to recommend anybody avoid low-carb diets because of the study you posted. There are plenty of studies showing how low-carb diets can improve health.
Long term? If a person is overweight and diets to lose weight, there's a very good chance their health will improve no matter what method they use. I'm not recommending low carb, high carb or moderate carb. I believe there is no "best diet" except on an individual basis. I was just refuting your statement that there is no evidence. With very (if any) few exceptions, one study should never be reason for recommending a change in diet. But it is evidence.
Low carb diets improve cardiovascular health even without weight loss. Below there is a study linked in the article. I'm not going by one study. I've found plenty of studies claiming both sides of the argument. If low-carb was bad, then there wouldn't be so many people out there who have had seemingly miraculous improvements in health almost immediately.
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/science/a/lowcarbcholest.htm
Here's the real question. I myself cannot even sustain a diet high in carbohydrates without failing and gaining weight, so why on earth would I promote that diet to anyone else?
I never implied low carb diets were bad. I see no reason you would promote any diet, nor did I suggest you would or should.0 -
I never implied low carb diets were bad. I see no reason you would promote any diet, nor did I suggest you would or should.
My opinion is that anyone who comes on this board and is severely overweight likely has a metabolic defect going on that leads to overeating. Therefore I'm going to recommend diets that I think might actually help them. I'm not a believer that most overweight people can eat whatever they want for a lifetime as long as they restrict calories, so I'm not going to promote that kind of diet or support it in any way. If people want to pursue that kind of diet, then I won't stop them.0 -
My opinion is that anyone who comes on this board and is severely overweight likely has a metabolic defect going on that leads to overeating.
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My opinion is that anyone who comes on this board and is severely overweight likely has a metabolic defect going on that leads to overeating.
absurd conclusion
I was wrong. It's not my opinion, but the opinion of dozens of scientists who have actually studied obesity.0 -
I never implied low carb diets were bad. I see no reason you would promote any diet, nor did I suggest you would or should.
My opinion is that anyone who comes on this board and is severely overweight likely has a metabolic defect going on that leads to overeating. Therefore I'm going to recommend diets that I think might actually help them. I'm not a believer that most overweight people can eat whatever they want for a lifetime as long as they restrict calories, so I'm not going to promote that kind of diet or support it in any way. If people want to pursue that kind of diet, then I won't stop them.
I'm not sure your assumption makes much sense, but then assumptions often don't. But, promoting a diet that has worked for you does make sense. I do the same.
I just don't promote it as the best way or claim there is no evidence that it is bad (though, to my knowledge, there is not).0 -
My opinion is that anyone who comes on this board and is severely overweight likely has a metabolic defect going on that leads to overeating.
absurd conclusion
I was wrong. It's not my opinion, but the opinion of dozens of scientists who have actually studied obesity.
Dozens of scientists have studied severaly overweight MFP members?? ("anyone that comes on this board")
**I know that's not what you meant, but I still had to do it**0 -
My opinion is that anyone who comes on this board and is severely overweight likely has a metabolic defect going on that leads to overeating.
absurd conclusion
I was wrong. It's not my opinion, but the opinion of dozens of scientists who have actually studied obesity.
do the people who are on this board know that they were in these studies? your conclusion seems to be that every single obese person has a metabolic defect.0 -
My opinion is that anyone who comes on this board and is severely overweight likely has a metabolic defect going on that leads to overeating.
absurd conclusion
I was wrong. It's not my opinion, but the opinion of dozens of scientists who have actually studied obesity.
Dozens of scientists have studied severaly overweight MFP members?? ("anyone that comes on this board")
**I know that's not what you meant, but I still had to do it**
Your point is starting to make less and less sense to me. The title of this thread is 'Low-Carb'. If you don't like low-carb dieting, then get the F out. If people are going to make posts saying its dangerous, then I'm going to call them out on it.0 -
My opinion is that anyone who comes on this board and is severely overweight likely has a metabolic defect going on that leads to overeating.
absurd conclusion
I was wrong. It's not my opinion, but the opinion of dozens of scientists who have actually studied obesity.
Dozens of scientists have studied severaly overweight MFP members?? ("anyone that comes on this board")
**I know that's not what you meant, but I still had to do it**
Your point is starting to make less and less sense to me. The title of this thread is 'Low-Carb'. If you don't like low-carb dieting, then get the F out. If people are going to make posts saying its dangerous, then I'm going to call them out on it.
"get the f out?" WOW...I am not low carb at all. But I dont agree that all obese people have a metabolic disorder. You need to apologize to me.0 -
My opinion is that anyone who comes on this board and is severely overweight likely has a metabolic defect going on that leads to overeating.
absurd conclusion
I was wrong. It's not my opinion, but the opinion of dozens of scientists who have actually studied obesity.
do the people who are on this board know that they were in these studies? your conclusion seems to be that every single obese person has a metabolic defect.
My conclusion is that it seem implausible that people with a normal, healthy metabolism simply eat too much food despite that their body has hormonal responses to suppress appetite.0 -
My opinion is that anyone who comes on this board and is severely overweight likely has a metabolic defect going on that leads to overeating.
absurd conclusion
I was wrong. It's not my opinion, but the opinion of dozens of scientists who have actually studied obesity.
Oh Grinch what am I going to do with you? And what would be this metabolic defect, insulin resistance?0
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